New fightstick firmware about to shake up FGC scene! Move over Brook!
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2023
- The Open Stick Community has a fresh new GP2040-CE firmware revision that can be loaded onto most RP2040 devices, including some arcade stick PCBs. This promises speed and compatibility with many systems (including and XINPUT, Nintendo Switch, HID-keyboard, PS3/DINPUT and ...?)
Check out the full project here: github.com/OpenStickCommunity... - Hry
Lurker on the fightstick subreddit, making my friend a fightstick as a random gift of appreciation, and this channel is my absolute haven. Been watching for the past few months, and cannot express how useful this channel is xx
Thanks for that great comment! I appreciate it! (And you'll have to tag me when you finish your friend's stick so I can check it out!)
Now this is part of the future this community needs. People working together to make it better! This makes it easy new players to join in the economic aspect but if we unite with things like this, I think it makes the community seem easier to get into as in less toxic. Now we need big tech to accept and encourage these community efforts as genuine community initiatives and not as a dent in their bottom line.
Yes! My thoughts exactly. Keep everything inclusive while reducing the costs and barrier to entry. The FGC is stronger for it!
Boards with GP2040 will also work with all modern consoles if you use adapters. Brook FGC for PS5 or Mayflash Magic X for Xbox Series. Any of these combos is still cheaper than bying a PS5 or Xbox Series Brook board. On PC or Mac it just works. A blessing for me as a Fightcade player with Mac OS.
And it's not just a good cheaper option, it creates some market competition.
The Train and the community are doing great job, it's even better that you're popularizing it.
Great comment, thanks for watching!
Which adapter will work with Ps5 with gp2040?
@@nerobiancofgc Brook Wingman FGC which comes out next month. It was already tested by @jonyfraze and it works fine but remember that it's wired only. Brook said they will be releasing a different device for bluetooth controllers later.
@@zhenyaloginov that's a life saver!
thank you for telling me about it
Answered my main question!! Thx!
Finally!! Glad to see the open stick community is getting love
They are out there doing God's work.
So two days ago, GP2040-CE announced that they were going to add passthrough verification in a future update! Basically if you add a USB connector to any two adjacent GPIO pins (+ plus V5 and Ground lines), you can plug a Mayflash PS4 MagicBoots or a Brook FGC Wingman into it from inside your case and be able to play on a PS4/PS5 without restrictions.
The main advantage here is that the Magicboots/Wingman hooked up this way are only there for verification purposes, so you gain access to two consoles WITHOUT the increased input latency.
Definitely an improvement over hard-modding a PS4 to extract Firmware from a controller.
Yes they did! Exciting times and I hope to cover some of that in a future video. Good on you for dropping the info here and looking out for others!
And now the update is live!
the lords work 🙌 Brook needs to be humbled.Great video brother
wow i've been using an older version of the firmware and was surprised to see their github was archived, i don't really need to update it but it's nice to know they just changed names
It would be really great to never have to think about playing fighting games on a PS4 ever again
lol
As long as console is tournament standard, that ain't happening, considering the Capcom Cup for SF6 is going to be PS5 only.
@@zakutenakazumiya1516 okay, then at least its not a PS4?
main reason why i don't make many custom controllers is because of the price of brook PCBs, this makes me hopeful for the future.
Yes! They are doing great work (and have even had some more recent advancements I hope to showcase here in the coming weeks). Thanks for watching!
Yes I have been waiting for this day the pico it the first thing on my list for my DIY build. With all due respect to brook I am cheap and getting the needed stuff to avoid the time out (especially through sketchy means) is my forte.
lol, then this is right up your alley
Good stuff!!!
The Train, what an absolute legend.
He ok I guess.
this entire video went over my head
Dang, I was afraid of that. Here's the gist: 1) Brook makes good but expensive PCBs, 2) There's a cool group of people who are working on an open source project to give people the ability to make their own Brook alternatives, 3) These boards plus this new firmware update enable play on several systems including the PS4(!)...the PS4 being playable is big news, 4) Now things will be more accessible and the barrier of entry will be lower for people trying to get into the scene/hobby. Instead of a $50 PS4 Brook board, they can get one of these things for like half of that. 5) The open source crew aren't done yet! The people are still working and continually fine-tuning behind the scenes so it may be realistic to assume one day they will have other systems enabled. Then, just utilize the new firmware to upgrade your existing board. 6) Profit.
I can't get around the 8 minute timeout. Could anyone, please, point me in the right direction?
Very cool! What is the purple PCB you were using in the video?
Pico Advanced Breakout Board version 4.0
People need to get on that Samurai Shodown. Too underrated. Rollback about to drop for it.
I'm worried it's a little too late at this point with all the big titles dropping soon, but I agree, it was a super solid and fun title.
It's too late. It has its chance on release and they mucked that up.
@@d0k0night still not going to stop me from taking my L's on it. A great game is a great game no matter how old it is.
Hiiii, this update is compatible with the pico fighting board? I'm new into this stuff and it's very expensive buying brook products here, so I need way cheaper alternatives like buying a pcb that uses raspberry pi pico (or generic versions, idk) but I don't know what models necessarily are compatible, thanks from Peru, really neat video.
Yeah, it works with the all the boards TheTrain has ever produced including the Pico Advanced Breakout Board version 4.0 featured in the vid. Similarly, things like the Flatbox can also be updated with this firmware.
where can you get breakout boards like this? brook PCBs are ungodly expensive in Australia
Give it a bit more time and I'm sure people are going to be making their own versions of this with the OS firmware and selling online. I got this particular board from TheTrain. It's version 4, but I think they're already on to V5 with some even better tweaks. And then the firmware is all open source and I left a link to the open stick project and its work in the video description.
If you're willing to use screw terminals (as opposed to the Brook-style 20-pin harness), you can get a Pico H (i.e. a Pico with pins) and a cheap terminal block breakout board that the Pico plugs into.
@@HushMySweet1 have you heard of a bord for sale for people who own the pico already? i had to painfully solder wire by wire on that tiny little board and i'd be happy to unsolder it and stick it to a breakout board because my solder job is ugly lol
@@vdfritzz I haven't heard of that. Maybe someday if there's a market for it? IDK.
In theory, the GP2040-CE sounds like a nice idea BUT there's that thing called security that makes it incompatible with a quite a few PS3 games -- IF you have a functional PS3 console!
I already confirmed for myself that it doesn't work with Marvel Vs Capcom2 or Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix. START buttons works but you have to use "X" to confirm selections. All the PUNCH and KICK buttons are disabled after the START screens for those 2 games!!!
OTOH, it's weirdly inconsistent with the games it DOESN'T have issues with. The Pico PCB works fine with Darkstalkers Resurrection, Samurai Shodown 1, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, and most if not all non-fighting titles tested!
The main advantages of the Pico that I see are better-implemented TURBO feature (it seems to be faster and more steady than the Brook; TURBO on the Brook appears noticeably slower) and LED programmability without having to buy another control board just for LED flashing -- you can program the Pico for that! Retrofitting buttons or buying LED-specific buttons is expensive enough!
Honestly, I wouldn't recommend getting the Brook PCBs if you're just going to be a PC gamer. Buy a decent, pre-made Pico Fighting Board for PC gameplay. I bought mine from Jasen's Customs. It has the convenience of being compatible with the EZ Mod if you want to use that as well as the 4-pin and 5-pin harnesses (made for Brook PCBs) that are on the market. You have to mod the existing 4-pin harness if you want to enable TURBO functionality with an LED. The only thing the Pico doesn't support from the EZ Mod is LS-DP-RS select but the Pico has a software emulation (with lever) solution for that.
You *are* stuck with Brook product (converter or replacement) if you want maximum compatibility with the PlayStation and XBox consoles. Evading a lawsuit or site takedown pretty much means the security keys will never be officially released and you'll have to figure out Python (next to impossible for 80% of the people who lack the patience and time to learn Python programming language) to get the keys for the Ps4!
At the end of the day, the Brook PCBs and converters are worth it for the compatibility. They're not that hideously expensive for most people. What puts them over the top for expense are adding things like EZ Mod boards (starting at $35 and price jacking quickly for fight sticks TE2 generation and later) and buying specialized harnesses like the unnecessary 20-pin harness ($13) and add-on hardware like P1-P4 lighting kits ($15). If you space out hardware buys or repurpose existing wiring {like the 22-gauge signal wire for buttons} you can save some money. For my last two joystick refits, I reused as much wiring as I could that was leftover from old projects and a recently damaged Mad Catz PCB. I don't bother recycling the ribbon wire but the multi-colored insulated signal wire with QDs is perfectly reusable. It makes no sense NOT to reuse that to save some cash! I have crimping and wire stripper tools. It's not that hard to splice and solder wires together. I've saved hundreds of dollars by not having to hire people to do everything for me!
The only reason I have as many Brook PCBs as I do now (two; replacement PCBs) is because Mad Catz PCBs tend to break easily! There's a big market there just for reviving or repurposing the old MC joystick cases.
A lot to breakdown in your comment, very thorough! I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts on the stuff and I appreciate you detailing some of your own experiences with the GP2040CE as well as with Brook products. Thanks for watching/commenting!
@@HushMySweet1 Yeah, I have ONE LAST FUNCTIONAL Mad Catz PCB (Rd 1 TE/PS3) left that's in a Femme Fatale "limited edition" (white variant) joystick. It's also my least-modded Mad Catz joystick. I'm still expecting to static-short that Mad Catz PCB in the future which is why I bought an additional EZ Mod kit to deal with that situation when it happens. I'll probably buy another Brook PS3/PS4+ PCB when that MC PCB gets damaged. MC joysticks just have bad reputations where the original PCBs are concerned.
Every generation of MC joystick from the original TE onward seems to have issues with electrical shorts in their PCBs. I read another guy's experience with a TE2+ joystick where the PCB was ruined within 3 months of him buying that joystick! I had a TE/Rd 1 PCB last in MY ORIGINAL Mad Catz TE joystick (bought March 2009!) until March this year. Again, it was static that killed that Mad Catz PCB! I was playing on the right day in the winter and it was my bad luck to be using that particular joystick. That original TE was refit with the EZ Mod and the Brook PS3/PS4+ PCB. The Brook board probably performs better than the original MC PCB, too...
Most of the MC cases are nice enough design-wise that I think it's worthwhile to recycle them (if they're still being used to play games) but I have a preference towards the original bevel-edged, Rd 1 TE cases. Later-gen MC TEs are definitely much more mod-friendly than the first 2 or 3 waves of TEs; the TE2 was definitely designed with mods in mind. The Rd 1 cases are great bases for Hori, Seimitsu, and Sanwa parts. Very comfortable and solid weight.
Amazing work. Hope xbox gets applied too. I run a ufb on my series x now that strive and sf6 are here.
They seem to be a pretty hardworking group, so I'm hopeful one day they'll have all the possible consoles on open source firmware.
What ufb do you use?
@@thegoldenphoenix3710 universal brook
Do I have to dump the PS4 Controller only once for all the GP2040 I own or do I have to source a different PS4 controller for each of my GP2040s?
If you don't have the PS4 codes/keys, it will time out after 8 minutes. Once you have the codes, it will work without that issue, and you can also reapply the codes to every GP2040 board you have, and they will all be PS4 compatible going forward. You just have to hunt for the codes (but that's not something I can help with at this time).
Was thinking about buying a UFB Fusion, i guess if I wait the price may go down.
Well, that's a pretty new PCB and I can't say how far off the Open Stick Project dudes are on getting PS5 compatible firmware, could be a week? A year? Never? So if you need a PCB that plays on PS5 and nearly all other systems, the Fusion is still your best bet currently. I suppose it depends on when you need your fightstick and how patient you are. Thanks for watching.
any chance of you reviewing the new qanba joystick that came out? the gravity one i mean
I do kinda want to review one of them, but probably can't afford to do more than that. And I haven't decided which. They've got the Drone 2, the Obsidian 2, the Titan, and the Q8. Which one looked most interesting to you? (No promises, but I'll consider it.)
@HushMySweet oh no no sorry i meant the gravity joystick model its the qanba gravity silent joystick its got omron or cherry mx switches in them
@@SAHER-iv7gu Ah right on! Yeah, I'm working on some silent stuff right now actually. Picked up the Seimitsu LSQ-40 Silent Lever and I have a 2nd Impact lever (which looks very similar to the Qanba Gravity lever, but the first I saw with this concept). I can add that lever to my list, but it may be this summer before I order/review and all that, so don't wait on me if you are dying to try it out. *But let me know your thoughts if you do!
@@HushMySweet1 alright i just got two to try em out I'll let you know how it feels
@HushMySweet it came in, they both came in this metal box and its neatly packaged with foam, comes with two springs on light and one heavy, a marble balltop and two restrictor gates, shockingly its small than it looks but its really silient literally i couldn't hear my inputs when moving around, i honestly am pretty impressed with it
0:27 what pard is that board from? Is there tutorial on how to do this? I've been looking to do this to a ps5 controller for a while
I don't have a tutorial, but there may be some around. I think that was a Rock Candy PS4 controller board.
ive just bought a Raspberry V1.1A Pico Fighting Board (did it yesterday) and the product info says it runs on a "firmware GP2040". Is that sufficient to get assured that I will be able to use this new firmware that usable on PS4?
Not quite. It will timeout on the PS4 after 8 minutes unless you have the PS4 codes, but you may be able to find those elsewhere on the web.
@@HushMySweet1 Oh got that, my poorly performed question wanted to find out if with the new firmware and these codes I will be able to get rid of the 8m timeouts.
anyone knows how to extract the fw from a ds4 controller or where to find some?
Extracting the firmware requires a PS4 with hardware modifications.
And because it's proprietary keys, the most anyone can legally tell you is "Google them"
can you use this in combination with the wingman ps5 converter? to have support for PS5 fighting games?
Yeah, you'll likely still need the PS5 converter for things, BUT there have been some new advancements in the GP2040-CE stuff which I hope to showcase in a video soon, so I hope you'll stay tuned. I'm hoping to drop something in ~2 weeks about this.
@@HushMySweet1 awesome, ill stay tuned
How might one legally acquire the “necessary files” mentioned at 1:50? I don’t mean a download link (I know that’s illegal) but the actual method to rip those files from a PS4 controller.
Probably a better question on the Open Stick Community discord: discord.gg/nVVhCb5Y
Hello there! I'm currently playing Street fighter 6 on Xbox series s. Does this board work for that console?
Not currently, but they are looking into enabling Xbox stuff down the line. Not that answer you hoped, but thanks for watching all the same.
@@HushMySweet1 thanks to you for answering the question.
Could you please make or put a link to a video or forum on how to do this?
Do what exactly? Set up the firmware on a Pico Breakout board? Just plug it into your computer and hit the BootSel button, drop the flashnuke stuff in there once it pops up, then it remounts as a removable drive, then drop in the newest firmware. That stuff should all be in the vid description github link. You can then hit the webconfig button on the PCB to install more add-ons or whatever. This is all just with this board I have right now, but there are other versions of it, so the steps might vary slightly depending. Your best bet will be to join the appropriate discords, declare which PCB you're using and ask your specific question. You also need to be aware of the firmware you're trying to use since some of the boards require different ones. Good luck!
@@HushMySweet1 alright thanks I'll give it a try on my next fight stick build.
any link where i can buy this Board. I only see standart one nt like this in video
This was version 4. Here are options to buy the newest one: sgfdevices.com/products/sgf-gp2040-ce-advanced-breakout-board OR www.etsy.com/listing/1489245203/rp-2040-advanced-breakout-pcb?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=buttercade&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&organic_search_click=1 (same board)
If I get a brook controller converter can it work on XSX?
I have no experience with that particular product so I hesitate to say anything definitive without personally testing. I don't see why it wouldn't though.
XSX works natively as all xinput does
Soooo, if I just bought a Brook UFB, that means that I waste my money? I don´t really understand anything!
Oh no, that's not the point of this video. Brook makes good products and you didn't waste money if you need compatibility with all of those systems. This video just represents another step toward open source firmware getting better and better. With each update, it just keeps advancing, so down the road, they may feasibly have every playable console. PS4 compatibility represented a huge challenge so it was awesome to see that team solve the issue.
I wonder if the community rip the firmware off one of those official PS4 fightsticks, then SF6 will think you are using a RAP4 eventhough it is a GP2040
So how this is useful to me? I have 2 Etokki Omni Arcade Sticks Ver 5, one Sanwa, one Korean, I can't use them on Nintendo Switch, PS4 or Xbox one... They're compatible only with PS3, Xbox 360 en PC
Depends on your goals with the sticks. If you need one to play on one of the systems listed in the vid, then you could install one of these boards. However, Omnis are higher end sticks, so it may not be worth it to gut the stock PCB to install something like this.
If you're a cheap ass person like me you won't even need to install keys and just use the reset button on the pico every match to avoid the 8 minute timeout issue LOL
Is this your own voice? Or is it voice over for money?
It's my own voice. Channel probably isn't big enough to justify money on VO stuff, so you're stuck listening to me.
Where can I get this pcb?
SGF and Buttercade sell versions of it. I know there are also newer versions being produced which will enable easier PS5 play with a MagicBoots authentication (there's another video on that one). Thanks for watching.
Need help everytime I try to can't get it to work on PS4 need advice please 🥺
If you don't have the PS4 files on the older ones, they won't work without timing out every 8 minutes. The newer boards bypass all that and you can use something like a MagicBoots v1.1 and that will allow even ps5 play. I have another video on that. Still, it's hard to troubleshoot in YT comments. I would explain what firmware you have, take a screenshot of the web configurator, and post pertinent info to the folks at the Open Stick Discord. They are helpful and it is easier to help in realtime. Good luck with the issue: discord.gg/D64qdnyT
music?
Synthwave Jago's theme and synthwave Reptile's theme. You can find both tracks are elsewhere on this channel along with several other fighting game OSTs re-imagined in a synthy style.
@@HushMySweet1 Thanks!
Buying a brook in my country is like buying a lone starter arcade stick in terms of price. So I was never a fan of it.
I ended up hitboxing a venom ps5 arcade controller. It's a £60 ps5 compatible board with case. Less than £100 for a ps5 compatible hitbox.
This ps5 compatibility stuff is getting really annoying
True. I wish it was easier and less expensive right now.
While pico and other PCBs can be better than Brook.... it's the ease of using Brook boards that attract a lot of people... especially first time users. People are/don't want to solder wires, people don't want difficult assembly. Brook boards are so easy to wire and assemble and just has more access to new users. I wanted a Pico board for my hitbox.... but having to solder the connections, i would have to buy a ton of new equipment that i never used, so that would be another hurdle to do ontop....
Yeah, I agree with your sentiment. Brook makes good products and they are easy to utilize right out of the box with no extra skill sets. This board featured here has the same footprint and ease of use, but Brook is the standard for a reason. Thanks for watching!
The Pico Fighting Board may be what you want. It adds the extra hook-ups to the Pico that you may be used to.
For like an extra buck or so, you can get a Raspberry Pi Pico with the headers already soldered on, and from there you can crimp Dupont connectors on one end of the wire and a .110" on the other (or ofc you can just buy a bunch of wires with female dupont connectors already, and then crimp the .110" terminals to the other end yourself).
It's a few extra steps and a few extra dollars, but it makes life MUCH easier.
why can I find this pcb?
Are you a member of the r/fightsticks discord? TheTrain sells batches through there sometimes. And I think there's another guy who sells a very similar board on etsy.
brook p5 plus fighting board
can gp2040 firmware be loaded on to a brook?
Afraid not.
make this board wireless
I've learned never to doubt TheTrain or the Open Stick Project community, so if they ever do a wireless version, I'll ping you here.
where do i get ps 4 files
Looking for the same
Sounds Kool, but I run Xbox. And more titles on Xbox Series, this doesn't persuade me from the Brook or my Mayflash F500V2 with magic boots for PS4 & Xbox 1/Series.
Yeah, it may not be for you at this moment, but maybe as the firmware continues to advance and more consoles become compatible, it might be an option for you one day. In the meantime, it may also breed a bit of competition which would be good for the consumer with falling prices. Thanks for watching!
@@HushMySweet1 definitely true
padhack razer raion ps5 board is a cheaper option but i dont like razer products
While I appreciate this, I think the community is going to stick with brook for many more years. It's not that they're a monopoly, but a good company with good parts. As long as they make good stuff for good prices, I'll keep buying cause I know it works.
Really, I like Brook as much as the next guy. They do have good products! And they were really quick with their firmware updates after the CPT SOCD changes, so I know they are paying attention to the fighting game world and their consumers. I will say that I think their prices are a bit out of step with reality sometimes, but because they are a bit of a monopoly in this niche, they can get away with charging premium. I think they will continue to have the lion's share of the market until the Open Stick Project figures out PS5 compatibility, and then all bets are off. But I guess we'll see. Thanks for watching and for commenting your opinion!