I'm disappointed that the R5 II is over $4k. Plus, having to purchase a separate battery grip, extra battery and the CarePak warranty. I think I just got priced out. 😢😢😢
Imagine what it is like for those of us out of the US. It depends on the value it brings us Cathy. The R6 II same price as R6. RF 200-800 lower than expected. C400 lower than expected. To ask an additional $400, they must be packing something wonderful into it.
@OrdinaryFilmmaker I'm sure the $400 more since the original R5 will be well worth it. The newer AF alone and stacked sensor makes it worth it. I am surprised, though, at the price considering what the Z8 costs. I'll still go on the wait list if I like what I see in the morning.
@davepastern I'm pretty invested in lenses, expensive lenses. It's kept me from switching and Canon knows it. Let's see what the actual specs are tomorrow. I picked an expensive hobby.
@@cathco9 Until I owned the R3, I thought I needed a stacked sensor, too. I really like the no-blink EVF. But the R5 mechanical shutter is so quiet and so fast (and so free of rolling shutter) that I no longer feel the need for a stacked sensor. The R3's stacked sensor can still fall prey to rolling shutter distortion. If the R5ii's stacked sensor isn't faster than the R3's, it won't be the answer to rolling shutter issues.
I won’t be surprised if the R1M2 will have a 26mp sensor (an upgrade compared to the R1). What a disappointment. Lo f love my Nikon Z9 and my Canon R5. I won’t be replacing them anytime soon.
So we have waited all this time for the Canon R1 Canons top sports camera with 40fps same speed as the Canon R6 mk 2. I think this is a massive disappointment. Where is the 120fps ?the 60fps or the 240fps?. And we get 40fps. I can see loads of canon shooters considering switching to Sony.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker the R3 is a superb camera...it's been hobbled by Canon by a lack of firmware updates...deliberately I might add, so that the R1 looks better. Shady tactics from Canon.
@@davepasternthe R6 II got another update the other day. My EF lenses are working better than ever. Especially in low light. I shoot 500 pictures at a soccer match, four pictures were auto of focus. Which I think it was user error.
@@bngr_bngrgood to know! I’ve had mine for about a year but haven’t ever updated the firmware. Do u know if updating keeps your custom shooting modes? I’ve been leery of updating due to not knowing if my settings will stay; don’t want to take the time to completely set up my camera again.
I just went and reviewed the specs of the Nikon Z8 and, so far, there’s not much to point to where the R5m2 would outperform it; i.e. 45MP stacked sensor, 8K60, etc…. The Z8 lists for $3999 but is on sale for $3500 at Nikon USA. I know Canon will sell all they can produce because people like me have a large investment in lenses but I haven’t seen anything so far that justifies a higher price plus the Z8 does ProRes and isn’t even a new camera now. I’m hoping there’s more to it that hasn’t been revealed. 🤷🏻♂️
Same here. Both are still great cameras. I was looking forward to treating myself to an R1 but maybe I’ll hold back. I’m spoiled with the R5 for cropping down sports pics. It just needs a little help in the noise area.
get a used R3 after idiots upgrade to the R1 due to pissing contests. You'll get a great camera at a very reasonable price that is 95% as good as the R1.
Canon has simply fell too far behind in sensor technology. They should be using Sony Sensors like Nikon but they are being stubborn to their peril. The Z9 is an awsome camera who cares that it uses a Sony sensor? So I'm not sure why Canon won't do the same.
@@tonygerassi1502 which Canon cameras are those? I'm not familiar with them. You can bash Canon for sure. But Canon will make millions of dollars more than you this year.
I'm still using my 1DX3 and held out for years on the "non-flagship" R3 so I'm holding out hope for something significant in the R1. But it sounds like that was a mistake. Given the lower price, they probably realize almost everyone is going to be disappointed with these specs.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker But not to take away from your reporting the news all along. Subscribed and have been eagerly watching for any R1 details and you always come through! Thanks!
Thank you. A lot of people aren't impressed with the specs, but I always look to the outcomes. It could still be a very advanced piece of kit for sports and fast action. We shall see tomorrow.
I think Canon may be going with an Arri mindset with the R1. Image quality isn’t all megapixels. If it has better dynamic range, better highlight roll off and better noise/low light than competitors, it will make a bigger difference for the audience it’s geared towards. It’s not all about big numbers, it’s about the final image
Well, I've been waiting to see what Csnon will put out with the R5ii before making a decision. I'm not tied down with glass and gave myself a $4,300 ceiling with memory cards etc. plus a little extra for a lens. Now that Canon is going to charge $4,300 seems like Nikon just won my business. To all who can afford it, good luck with it.
I'm not a Canon shooter, but those prices seem quite a bit higher than the competition. The R5ii will still sell well, but who the heck is going to spend $6,300 on an R1 with already outdated tech? It doesn't even have a 4-axis screen or global shutter like A9iii.
Let's see what the presentation it all about. A source has told me it has a 2ms readout speed and very good noise level in low light. This matters to a select group.
R1 could easily outperform the A9Iii in noise department, and none of the lens have mentioned QPAF which could also be exciting. And then the software performance if true will be unparalleled. Can't DOA this yet.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker 2ms vs 5ms of the R3 is inconseqential. A tech spec pissing contest Simon. I am yet to see any rolling shutter from my R3, shooting birds in flight. In 18 months. 2ms will offer nothing over the R3's 5ms.
I'm not really seeing anything in the new R5 II that excites me enough to consider upgrading from my current R5. I'll hold off on making a decision until things settle down. Typically, the initial retail prices of new gear are 10-20% higher.
I mainly shoot in the studio and urban photography. I see no advantages in the R5 MkII compared to the R5 for myself, unless they announce something else that I would actually find useful
So . . . the R5ii gets the EVF straight across from the R3. No improvement in resolution over the R5. Makes sense since it's also getting the eye-control (I hope). And $4,299 helps ensure that they'll have enough supply. (The R5mk.1 is $1,500 less. Nikon Z8 is $800 less!) This makes it a tough decision. I really just don't see much added value for stills shooters. Maybe they'll say more in the morning?
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker , I will be here. I'm in CDT, so it's 4:00 for me. But I'm normally up by 5:00 anyway. How could I miss it? I set aside for an R1 purchase that won't happen at 24MP. Maybe the R5ii? The original R5 is looking better all the time. We will see. Maybe the R1 fund will go for new glass.
Do you think the changes to the R5 are worth an upgrade for most shooters? I think this upgrade and the R1 are a bit underwhelming. For a new user without legacy lenses Nikon seems a better way to go. I think Canon has missed the mark here.
A question answered best by each person. I do need a second camera. I have a channel covering camera gear so it makes sense to me. But, I do want to see the other video capabilities this camera has.
Unless there's something BIG waiting to be announced tomorrow, it is VERY difficult to justify an upgrade from R5 to R5ii. Since the original R5 is selling NEW for about $2,750, the original R5 is probably the better option.
Kinda the boat I’m in! I have a canon t7i crop dslr camera and have been waiting to jump to full frame mirrorless. I know picking either the R5ii or Z8 lockable into their system of lenses and right now Nikon has more versatility for a more affordable price, but Iv held the R5 and Z8 and the canon just feels better to hold so 🤷🏻♂️ not sure which will suit me.
Canon shooters better hope these specs and prices are wrong - both are very disappointing. The Z9 with its newest FW remains a better camera than the proposed R1 and it is $800 cheaper (at retail) and literally almost 3 years old. The proposed R5II is $800 more than the Z8 (current price) and it seems to be in no way superior and the Z8 is itself 1.5 years old. Realistically, there will be a Z9II in like 12 to18 months - these Canon offerings will age badly and be old news very quickly. Hopefully for all of us, these rumors are wrong and these cameras are more substantial than what you are reporting. I like when Canon and Nikon one up each other as it pushes each of them to further innovate - I fear these proposed cameras will let Nikon just rest on their current offerings as they are already better for all intents and purposes than these in spite of being 1-3.5 years old. -PD
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerI don't think the Z9 can do 30 fps.. It makes out at 20. There might be improvements in heat management and autofocus as well... So it s better to hold off on judgement till the release... And a full frame stacked BSI sensor will bring the Canon sensors in line or allow them to exceed the competition... Looks interesting..
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Of course we need to see what they ultimately put out, but the R5II is from what you describe so far is really no better than the Z8, but at the same time more expensive and a year and a half newer - I would expect more. But, as you say - we will see tomorrow. Hopefully there is more to it than we know right now...
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerYou’re right about reserving judgment, but I don’t see how you can say with a straight face that you’re not disappointed at this point. You must really value those video features.
It appears that the enhanced features of the Canon R1 closely resemble those of the Canon R3. Although there are some performance enhancements, they might align more with expectations for a hypothetical Canon R3 Mark II. Owning two R3s, I find that the incremental improvements in the R1 do not seem to warrant an upgrade, which one would anticipate for an R3 II. Nevertheless, only time will determine its true value.
Hi Simon. Thank you for the updates. I have an R5, totally dig it, BUT for me it needs only ONE thing: the ability to focus-stack in camera WITH FLASH. Olympus already does this, Canon needs to follow suite.
I’m really curious if the R5 II will render my new R5C … a lesser video camera. I love the wide variety of recording formats and lack of concern regarding overheating along with full cinema camera menu/functions. Maybe there’ll be an R5C II in the future. 🤔
I've been told that the R5 II will be much more video capable, but we'll have to wait a few more hours to find out. There is one more spec I will put out later that isn't in the video.
I was really expecting/hoping for something "special" from the R5 II. To me, it just sounds like they just added a stacked sensor and called it a day and I don't feel the "special" part about it - don't really feel the "innovation" from Canon anymore. But I've already sold my R5 mark I and will be getting it regardless. Also bummed about over $4K price. Was sure hoping for that $3999 price - oh well.
Don't forget that the original R5 is still an amazing camera, offers almost everything the R5ii will (unless they announce more), and is selling for $2750!
@@billmartin1010 the only difference is the bsi stacked sensor and overheating issues. For me, I don't shoot 8k video, in fact, I don't really shoot any video, I'm a stills wildlife (birds) photographer who doesn't give a shit about video. ymmv. The bsi stacked sensor can make a difference with regards to rolling shutter, but from feedback from both Duade Paton and Jan Wegener, the rolling shutter on the original R5 is very minimal. So the R5II is, on paper, a nice upgrade, but for most people, they're not going to see any improvements imho. Save your money, buy a new R5 with full warranty at a heavily reduced price. Or better still, wait for idiots to ugprade to the R5II and get a used R5 at a much reduced price. Or, invest in glass. You can never have enough glass!!!
@@davepasternWell said! I bought a new R5 on sale this Spring, in Finland. It is still a beast of a camera for birding, and sports photography. I have no interest in video either. So glad I didn’t wait for the R5 II.
The Z8 is a very good camera and the price is right, but I might suggest looking at the lenses available and which company offers the best glass for you - then let that help make your decision ;)
I wait with my order this time until some tests are done by independent testers. Seems not too much interesting specs for still photographers. I wait for my R5s :-)
I cannot wait for the announcement! All the specs we know for now are pretty mild for all the time people were waiting for these cameras. If there isn't something really special, something we cannot read from these specs, this is going to be a HUGE flop!
Enjoy your new Canon's Simon. It's a pass for me until someone (maybe even Canon) comes up with something better for what I would like to see in a $4300 camera that is primarily for stills, not video.
Thanks for keeping all of us informed..what’s the difference between ordering direct from Canon or from a place like B&H (other that your %). Great job
Basically anyone with an R3 would be safer sticking with the R3 and looking at the R5mkii if they want similar performance with additional megapickles. The R1 will really only attract those still working with the 1dx range who have restrained themselves from going mirrorless. Canon had the opportunity to really go to town with the R1 given the success of the R3, but they've only improved it in the usual incremental step which is somewhat disappointing.
You have been my #1 guy for canon R5 Mii news info. Thank you. I’ll make sure to use your links when I order tomorrow. You deserve it. You have put in a lot of work. Don’t like the price. I hope it’s the WOW!! camera not the whaaaow? Camera.
Simon… I think a major miss for the R5 was exposure linked to spot focus and the ability to lock an average exposure correspondingly (which all the 1D series can do.). I assume this feature will still be available in the R1, but have you heard what the RFII exposure capabilities will be? Thanks
I think they’ll sell a LOT of cameras… some will just NEED the latest offering, the R3 and R5 MkI sales will blossom as people stop holding out for these two and see much better pricing and then those that want higher end stuff will bite the bullet on Nikon and Sony.
Somebody please help me out here.... why does it seem like the Canon R5 mkii has better specs than the Canon R1. Why would the R5 have 8k and the R1 only have 6k? R1 24mp vs R5s 45mp? And has there been any word on the possible R1 cinema camera that you had put out in one of your prior vids?
I wondered back when the r3 came out as if it was initially supposed to be the r1, but the a1 knocked canon on their heels, then the z9 also kicked it up a notch, and they could t make the r1 24mp. But now that they are talking that it’s just 24 mp, it would basically just be an r3ii, not an r1. I see the r5 series to be a better flagship camera, as it’s better for the general photographer, like the a1, whereas the r1 is more along the super niche lines of the a9iii.
This may have saved me gettting up at 4am! R52 at that price is having me thinknid rather wait and see where R3 prices fall to. I want that stacked sensor, but dont really need the 45mp. I have an r5 already and its a lot of MP for youth sports. Takes a lot of space and no real calue for the resolution. R3 in the low $3k would get me stacked, save storage space and get me some better weather seal....something to think about.
Simon, I’m not sure what’s up with your audio lately but it sounds way over compressed and your noise floor is pretty high. Throw a gate or expander on your audio track to calm down the background noise.
Nope not time code. Looking at my R5C it is just the top part to the flap for USB and HDMI. Oh Well. So there is at least one benefit of the R5C over R5MII for video.
Finally the wait is over. Thank you Simon for sharing the info all these months .. I think R5 II will be the hot cake for Canon as 5d series did for them .. However, its Top tier camera am wondering Canon took a different path with R1 when compared to Nikon Z9 or Sony A1 they were the alphas in their respective brands for a reason
The only new thing I see is the price, it only competes with the most expensive camera but short on technology as always. Canon changes the directive, they are falling far behind.
My understanding is that Canon has a tradition of doing mild refreshes of its cameras every other cycle with the "revolutionary" changes every other cycle -- in other words, for the 1 & 5 series, every 8 years. Doesn't this actually fit that "normal" Canon cycle? Why should we really be surprised? The R3 and R5 are incredible cameras. The refreshes will also be incredible -- maybe just not as incredible as we might have hoped.
both cameras are very disappointing efforts from Canon. Can't even match a 4 year old Sony A1... The R1 isn't worth upgrading from the R3 imho. R5II price is well, OTT imho.
Sony can delver 30 fps raw? 8K up to 60 fps raw. 4K sraw? I get that these cameras don't meet your needs, but to say they are not as capable as the A1 is not completely fair.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker If you have to look for specs like that in one area (in this case video) you are basically agreeing with him. You can say it might have 8k raw (filesize fun) at 60p but thats a very small group of people who need that and sony has a rather full video/film lineup (as canon does) to compete. Canon and Sony should have good video in cameras like this but it should never be the 'selling' feature really thats why they have video lineups. And if you take that out both the R5II but more the R1 looks like a 'meh' camera to many esp. after years of teasing and waiting. Lets see if maybe the software makes the difference and we see some interesting stuff tomorrow.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker No, it can't. But the A1 is near 4 years old. What's the best that the A1II won't be like 62mp, 2ms readout speed, improved DR and high ISO performance over the original A1 and shoot 40fps full RAW? As to 8k 60p - again, no. And again, it's a near 4 year old camera. When the A1II comes out, it'll again smack the Canon offerings. There are still many traditional photographers such as myself who don't give jack about video. I base my opinion on what suits my needs - stills.
Are people disappointed that the R1 has less megapixels than the R5II? I wonder if the R1's sensor quality is better than the R5's? It looks like from a video perspective, the R1 is better.
I expect the R1 to be able to move data much faster than the R5 II from capturing the incoming light, recessing it and storing it. I suspect it will also have better AF. I do see it aimed at a select group of customers, not a master of everything.
$4,300 USD is insane for a refresh of a camera. Really its just better AF and a stacked sensor. I was hoping for around $3500. Still gotta buy the $350 grip. after taxes its close to $5,000 lmao. The R1 was a major letdown also. I don't understand why we were told the R3 wasn't a flagship when the R1 is slightly better then it. Yet another Canon disappointment. I am STILL waiting on my canon rf200-800mm pre order lol. 9 months later still don't have it.
5II has been crippled with regards to card slots, buffer performance, AF performance in low light conditions (1 stop EV lower than the R1), EVF is only slightly better than the original R5, slight improvement in FPS (30fps, up from 20). Both cameras feature eye control AF (probably improved over the R3's version, or at least, let's hope so LOL).
Shooting sports (American football, basketball, baseball, etc.) with the R5 and the R. R5 is my go-to for action shots and R is used for wide angle shots (less action). Should I get the R1?
The R1 auto focus need be really really good against the already good R3 autofocus or else I don’t see why would anyone buy that camera for that price?? I see the R5ii as a better deal for sure.
I'm disappointed that the R5 II is over $4k. Plus, having to purchase a separate battery grip, extra battery and the CarePak warranty. I think I just got priced out. 😢😢😢
Imagine what it is like for those of us out of the US. It depends on the value it brings us Cathy. The R6 II same price as R6. RF 200-800 lower than expected. C400 lower than expected. To ask an additional $400, they must be packing something wonderful into it.
@OrdinaryFilmmaker I'm sure the $400 more since the original R5 will be well worth it. The newer AF alone and stacked sensor makes it worth it. I am surprised, though, at the price considering what the Z8 costs. I'll still go on the wait list if I like what I see in the morning.
don't support Canon. Don't buy the new cameras. Send them a clear message that as a consumer, you are unimpressed with their efforts and offerings.
@davepastern I'm pretty invested in lenses, expensive lenses. It's kept me from switching and Canon knows it. Let's see what the actual specs are tomorrow. I picked an expensive hobby.
@@cathco9 Until I owned the R3, I thought I needed a stacked sensor, too. I really like the no-blink EVF. But the R5 mechanical shutter is so quiet and so fast (and so free of rolling shutter) that I no longer feel the need for a stacked sensor. The R3's stacked sensor can still fall prey to rolling shutter distortion. If the R5ii's stacked sensor isn't faster than the R3's, it won't be the answer to rolling shutter issues.
So, it will be another 4 years to wait for R1M2, R5M3? As of today, I feel like Canon fell short.
Why James ? 8k Raw is an option of Camera Cinema Red at 25,000 euros
I won’t be surprised if the R1M2 will have a 26mp sensor (an upgrade compared to the R1). What a disappointment. Lo f love my Nikon Z9 and my Canon R5. I won’t be replacing them anytime soon.
So disappointed, 6k dgo for such low price.
So we have waited all this time for the Canon R1 Canons top sports camera with 40fps same speed as the Canon R6 mk 2. I think this is a massive disappointment. Where is the 120fps ?the 60fps or the 240fps?.
And we get 40fps.
I can see loads of canon shooters considering switching to Sony.
so bassically they sell r3 mark 2 as r1 great job canon, good I bought two r3
I never felt the R3 was worth $5,999... It's correct price makes a lot more sense.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker the R3 is a superb camera...it's been hobbled by Canon by a lack of firmware updates...deliberately I might add, so that the R1 looks better. Shady tactics from Canon.
@@davepasternthe R6 II got another update the other day. My EF lenses are working better than ever. Especially in low light. I shoot 500 pictures at a soccer match, four pictures were auto of focus. Which I think it was user error.
@@bngr_bngrgood to know! I’ve had mine for about a year but haven’t ever updated the firmware. Do u know if updating keeps your custom shooting modes? I’ve been leery of updating due to not knowing if my settings will stay; don’t want to take the time to completely set up my camera again.
@@bngr_bngrgood to know, as I mostly have ef lenses! I’ve never updated my r6 II; does it keep your custom settings and custom buttons?
The wait for the R5 II is FINALLY over. I can't believe it.
Thanks for the update, Simon!
Yep. Pricing, date and specs in the video are 100% validated
I'll probably be waiting until 2026 until it finally ships if I don't wake up at 6AM to preorder.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerSimon amy work on the canon R1 cinema camera? You had it in one of your videos a month or so ago.
I just went and reviewed the specs of the Nikon Z8 and, so far, there’s not much to point to where the R5m2 would outperform it; i.e. 45MP stacked sensor, 8K60, etc…. The Z8 lists for $3999 but is on sale for $3500 at Nikon USA. I know Canon will sell all they can produce because people like me have a large investment in lenses but I haven’t seen anything so far that justifies a higher price plus the Z8 does ProRes and isn’t even a new camera now. I’m hoping there’s more to it that hasn’t been revealed. 🤷🏻♂️
Currently running an R5 alongside and R6, not sure if I should switch anything
Same with me. I’m excited at $3999 but not at all $4200. That’s not happening
Same here.
Same here. Both are still great cameras. I was looking forward to treating myself to an R1 but maybe I’ll hold back. I’m spoiled with the R5 for cropping down sports pics. It just needs a little help in the noise area.
I need to rent an R3. If these two cameras result in used prices falling, or new prices dropping I may be interested. $4299 for the R5II is too much.
get a used R3 after idiots upgrade to the R1 due to pissing contests. You'll get a great camera at a very reasonable price that is 95% as good as the R1.
That the only reason I have been paying attention to this, in hopes R3 will reduce its price to an affordable level for me.
I just don’t get the 24MP the Z9 has 45.7 and shoots 20 fps and it’s stacked cmos
Yep. I was surprised by this too.
Exactly 👍
Canon has simply fell too far behind in sensor technology. They should be using Sony Sensors like Nikon but they are being stubborn to their peril. The Z9 is an awsome camera who cares that it uses a Sony sensor? So I'm not sure why Canon won't do the same.
Looks like I won’t be getting the r5 ii.
Think I’ll be sticking with my R3 and R5.
$6000 for 24mp is insanely overpriced
$7999 for 11MP Canon EOS 1Ds in 2003
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$6500 for 50MP in 2021
$6000 for 24MP Global Shutter in 2024
As @DreamReleases said, $6000 for an R3mkii is overpriced
@@tonygerassi1502 which Canon cameras are those? I'm not familiar with them. You can bash Canon for sure. But Canon will make millions of dollars more than you this year.
I'm still using my 1DX3 and held out for years on the "non-flagship" R3 so I'm holding out hope for something significant in the R1. But it sounds like that was a mistake. Given the lower price, they probably realize almost everyone is going to be disappointed with these specs.
The R3 might be a very good choice for you, other than it has a single CFexpress card.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker But not to take away from your reporting the news all along. Subscribed and have been eagerly watching for any R1 details and you always come through! Thanks!
Thank you. A lot of people aren't impressed with the specs, but I always look to the outcomes. It could still be a very advanced piece of kit for sports and fast action. We shall see tomorrow.
I think Canon may be going with an Arri mindset with the R1. Image quality isn’t all megapixels. If it has better dynamic range, better highlight roll off and better noise/low light than competitors, it will make a bigger difference for the audience it’s geared towards. It’s not all about big numbers, it’s about the final image
Reviewers are already saying they don't see an image improvement over the R3. The overwellming consensus is that that the R1 is essentially an R3Mii.
Well, I've been waiting to see what Csnon will put out with the R5ii before making a decision. I'm not tied down with glass and gave myself a $4,300 ceiling with memory cards etc. plus a little extra for a lens. Now that Canon is going to charge $4,300 seems like Nikon just won my business. To all who can afford it, good luck with it.
I'm not a Canon shooter, but those prices seem quite a bit higher than the competition. The R5ii will still sell well, but who the heck is going to spend $6,300 on an R1 with already outdated tech? It doesn't even have a 4-axis screen or global shutter like A9iii.
Let's see what the presentation it all about. A source has told me it has a 2ms readout speed and very good noise level in low light. This matters to a select group.
R1 could easily outperform the A9Iii in noise department, and none of the lens have mentioned QPAF which could also be exciting. And then the software performance if true will be unparalleled. Can't DOA this yet.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker 2ms vs 5ms of the R3 is inconseqential. A tech spec pissing contest Simon. I am yet to see any rolling shutter from my R3, shooting birds in flight. In 18 months. 2ms will offer nothing over the R3's 5ms.
Damn. Good point
As a videgrapher i hope r5 mkii will be over the r5c. I waste fuckin 3 months…
Keeping my old gear, not worth the negligible upgrade.
R5M2 is out my price range 😢. I can’t justify buying a $4k camera … I’ll just get the R5C or R5
R1 is a hard, hard pass at 24mp. It's a hard, hard 'yes please' as 45mp or more. Quite frustrating if it's 24.
I'm not really seeing anything in the new R5 II that excites me enough to consider upgrading from my current R5. I'll hold off on making a decision until things settle down. Typically, the initial retail prices of new gear are 10-20% higher.
I mainly shoot in the studio and urban photography. I see no advantages in the R5 MkII compared to the R5 for myself, unless they announce something else that I would actually find useful
So . . . the R5ii gets the EVF straight across from the R3. No improvement in resolution over the R5. Makes sense since it's also getting the eye-control (I hope). And $4,299 helps ensure that they'll have enough supply. (The R5mk.1 is $1,500 less. Nikon Z8 is $800 less!) This makes it a tough decision. I really just don't see much added value for stills shooters. Maybe they'll say more in the morning?
Watch the announcement tomorrow and join our live show if it isn't too early. It depends on the outcomes Bill. How does it improve our workflow.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker , I will be here. I'm in CDT, so it's 4:00 for me. But I'm normally up by 5:00 anyway. How could I miss it? I set aside for an R1 purchase that won't happen at 24MP. Maybe the R5ii? The original R5 is looking better all the time. We will see. Maybe the R1 fund will go for new glass.
And if these new cameras don't get your attention, consider the R5 MK1 and R3... very good sales on now.
Do you think the changes to the R5 are worth an upgrade for most shooters? I think this upgrade and the R1 are a bit underwhelming. For a new user without legacy lenses Nikon seems a better way to go. I think Canon has missed the mark here.
A question answered best by each person. I do need a second camera. I have a channel covering camera gear so it makes sense to me. But, I do want to see the other video capabilities this camera has.
Unless there's something BIG waiting to be announced tomorrow, it is VERY difficult to justify an upgrade from R5 to R5ii. Since the original R5 is selling NEW for about $2,750, the original R5 is probably the better option.
Kinda the boat I’m in! I have a canon t7i crop dslr camera and have been waiting to jump to full frame mirrorless. I know picking either the R5ii or Z8 lockable into their system of lenses and right now Nikon has more versatility for a more affordable price, but Iv held the R5 and Z8 and the canon just feels better to hold so 🤷🏻♂️ not sure which will suit me.
Not at $4299 for the r5 ii. At that price I am out
What happened to the tilt EVF?
Canon shooters better hope these specs and prices are wrong - both are very disappointing.
The Z9 with its newest FW remains a better camera than the proposed R1 and it is $800 cheaper (at retail) and literally almost 3 years old. The proposed R5II is $800 more than the Z8 (current price) and it seems to be in no way superior and the Z8 is itself 1.5 years old.
Realistically, there will be a Z9II in like 12 to18 months - these Canon offerings will age badly and be old news very quickly. Hopefully for all of us, these rumors are wrong and these cameras are more substantial than what you are reporting. I like when Canon and Nikon one up each other as it pushes each of them to further innovate - I fear these proposed cameras will let Nikon just rest on their current offerings as they are already better for all intents and purposes than these in spite of being 1-3.5 years old.
-PD
I'm not disappointed in the R5 II. But I'm leaving my final judgement until I see the presentation.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerI don't think the Z9 can do 30 fps.. It makes out at 20. There might be improvements in heat management and autofocus as well... So it s better to hold off on judgement till the release... And a full frame stacked BSI sensor will bring the Canon sensors in line or allow them to exceed the competition... Looks interesting..
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Of course we need to see what they ultimately put out, but the R5II is from what you describe so far is really no better than the Z8, but at the same time more expensive and a year and a half newer - I would expect more. But, as you say - we will see tomorrow. Hopefully there is more to it than we know right now...
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerYou’re right about reserving judgment, but I don’t see how you can say with a straight face that you’re not disappointed at this point. You must really value those video features.
It appears that the enhanced features of the Canon R1 closely resemble those of the Canon R3. Although there are some performance enhancements, they might align more with expectations for a hypothetical Canon R3 Mark II. Owning two R3s, I find that the incremental improvements in the R1 do not seem to warrant an upgrade, which one would anticipate for an R3 II. Nevertheless, only time will determine its true value.
Hi Simon. Thank you for the updates. I have an R5, totally dig it, BUT for me it needs only ONE thing: the ability to focus-stack in camera WITH FLASH. Olympus already does this, Canon needs to follow suite.
I've heard it will be able to do that, but nothing confirmed.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker any word on insect AF?
Exactly!! I don’t care for most of the upgrades. But this feature would actually make a huge difference to my work.
@@billmartin1010 As an Entomologist, I approve of this comment!
Welp, looks like ima just get a Sony A1 or a Sony A7R V. I was holding off but now i made my choice.
As always awesome video man!!
I’m really curious if the R5 II will render my new R5C … a lesser video camera. I love the wide variety of recording formats and lack of concern regarding overheating along with full cinema camera menu/functions. Maybe there’ll be an R5C II in the future. 🤔
I've been told that the R5 II will be much more video capable, but we'll have to wait a few more hours to find out. There is one more spec I will put out later that isn't in the video.
Well, your R5c takes great video today, and won't stop doing that tomorrow.
At $4299 it better. I’m out at that price.
I was really expecting/hoping for something "special" from the R5 II. To me, it just sounds like they just added a stacked sensor and called it a day and I don't feel the "special" part about it - don't really feel the "innovation" from Canon anymore. But I've already sold my R5 mark I and will be getting it regardless. Also bummed about over $4K price. Was sure hoping for that $3999 price - oh well.
Imagine that-im holding for last months my money to get a new canon… one thing is good that previous cameras became cheaper…
I doubt it was a mistake. It's a Canon Leak on purpose. Cheers!
There nothing here that is a "Wow"
both sound very impressive 6K potential thanks Simon.
the z8 got a headstart and now is $3500, is the r5 ii worth $800 more?
That's up to you to decide... We'll know better tomorrow. These specs don't tell us how well the camera does anything.
Don't forget that the original R5 is still an amazing camera, offers almost everything the R5ii will (unless they announce more), and is selling for $2750!
nope it isn't.
@@billmartin1010 the only difference is the bsi stacked sensor and overheating issues. For me, I don't shoot 8k video, in fact, I don't really shoot any video, I'm a stills wildlife (birds) photographer who doesn't give a shit about video. ymmv. The bsi stacked sensor can make a difference with regards to rolling shutter, but from feedback from both Duade Paton and Jan Wegener, the rolling shutter on the original R5 is very minimal. So the R5II is, on paper, a nice upgrade, but for most people, they're not going to see any improvements imho. Save your money, buy a new R5 with full warranty at a heavily reduced price. Or better still, wait for idiots to ugprade to the R5II and get a used R5 at a much reduced price. Or, invest in glass. You can never have enough glass!!!
@@davepasternWell said! I bought a new R5 on sale this Spring, in Finland. It is still a beast of a camera for birding, and sports photography. I have no interest in video either. So glad I didn’t wait for the R5 II.
On and off switch on the left side is a deal breaker to bad
So for me the R1 offers nothing to tempt me to upgrade from my R3.............My wife will be pleased 🤣
😅😅😅
Looking forward to z8 vs R5ii videos, can’t decide between which one
The Z8 is a very good camera and the price is right, but I might suggest looking at the lenses available and which company offers the best glass for you - then let that help make your decision ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I was sold on Nikon for that very reason until I held both the R5 and Z8, the R5 just felt better in the hands
Nikon definitely offers a greater selection of super telephoto glass. Makes the Z8 (and Z9) very tempting for bird shooters.
The most telephoto lenses are into nikons !!! ❤❤❤
I wait with my order this time until some tests are done by independent testers. Seems not too much interesting specs for still photographers. I wait for my R5s :-)
I cannot wait for the announcement! All the specs we know for now are pretty mild for all the time people were waiting for these cameras. If there isn't something really special, something we cannot read from these specs, this is going to be a HUGE flop!
Agreed !
Canon never surprises me now I’m surprised people still are dedicated.
Are they making the cooling grip for current models?
Thanks Simon! See you in the morning! Stoked for ordering the R5mkII.
Looking forward to your presence Darren!
Enjoy your new Canon's Simon. It's a pass for me until someone (maybe even Canon) comes up with something better for what I would like to see in a $4300 camera that is primarily for stills, not video.
wish there was some news on 200-500 f4
Thanks for keeping all of us informed..what’s the difference between ordering direct from Canon or from a place like B&H (other that your %).
Great job
People have corporate accounts with B&H. There is the pay boo card that saves the tax on purchases, but there is also preference.
I WAIT THE S1H II and i ll go for CANON C400. I KEEP MY SONY A7R5 FOR STILLS A7S3 FOR LOW LIGHT VIDEO AND A9 III FOR SPORT LIVE EVENTS
I might suggest the C400. Panasonic is having very big financial challenges, and might wait to see what their fix is before committing.
The Sony a9iii appears to be a better camera at less $....
Look closer. Not defending Canon but the A9 III seems widely regarded as a dumpster fire.
Sounds like an R3 MK ii. Just disappointing really.
r3 better buy
At least I won't have an urge or a real reason to ditch my R3! Frankly, I'd sooner consider the R5-II instead of the R3 or R1
Basically anyone with an R3 would be safer sticking with the R3 and looking at the R5mkii if they want similar performance with additional megapickles. The R1 will really only attract those still working with the 1dx range who have restrained themselves from going mirrorless. Canon had the opportunity to really go to town with the R1 given the success of the R3, but they've only improved it in the usual incremental step which is somewhat disappointing.
looking forward to it, but its going to be early here on the West Coast
Disappointed with the MSRP for R5 mkii, that is probably not going to last long I did not expect anything above $3999, I might wait for R6 mkIII :).
Switch to z6iii at $2500
Sony ends up still being king. A1 mark ii going to sweep this. Nikon now in the solid second slot. Wild that canon is now 3rd.
I'd like to think maybe Peter McKinnon could be one of your sources since he is a Canon brand ambassador and operates not far from you.
He lives and works in the next town to me, but I am too small for him to pay attention to
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker he is a big fan of yours.
You are not small Simon for anyone. You are doing a great job.
Was it Rudy Winston?
@@3-piece129 oh snap. You might be on to something. Now it all makes sense.
Bring it on😋
Oh, its on ;)
You have been my #1 guy for canon R5 Mii news info. Thank you. I’ll make sure to use your links when I order tomorrow. You deserve it. You have put in a lot of work. Don’t like the price. I hope it’s the WOW!! camera not the whaaaow? Camera.
Simon…
I think a major miss for the R5 was exposure linked to spot focus and the ability to lock an average exposure correspondingly (which all the 1D series can do.).
I assume this feature will still be available in the R1, but have you heard what the RFII exposure capabilities will be?
Thanks
My concern for the R5ii is the buffer it certainly needs to be better than R6ii.
So R1 is basically R3 mkII. It is interesting as R3 was named by many R1 so that could be actually R1 mkII ;-)
I think they’ll sell a LOT of cameras… some will just NEED the latest offering, the R3 and R5 MkI sales will blossom as people stop holding out for these two and see much better pricing and then those that want higher end stuff will bite the bullet on Nikon and Sony.
Somebody please help me out here.... why does it seem like the Canon R5 mkii has better specs than the Canon R1. Why would the R5 have 8k and the R1 only have 6k? R1 24mp vs R5s 45mp?
And has there been any word on the possible R1 cinema camera that you had put out in one of your prior vids?
They are fkuped and the reason r1 can't shoot in 8k becz capturing in 8k resolution you need minimum 35mp and r1 only has 24mp that's the main culprit
I’m just here to watch the price of the R5 drop even lower🫠
I'm not sure it will. It's already priced down with the mid-grade 24MP cameras. It's a phenomenal deal at $2,750!
@@billmartin1010 just wait until Black Friday my friend!
What happened to affordable cameras.....
I assume the price of 4299 is a thing but i think the batterygrip is included for this price. Otherwise it would not make sence compaired to the R1
I m thinking about the R1
There’s a new switch beside the record button.
Very good catch.
I wondered back when the r3 came out as if it was initially supposed to be the r1, but the a1 knocked canon on their heels, then the z9 also kicked it up a notch, and they could t make the r1 24mp.
But now that they are talking that it’s just 24 mp, it would basically just be an r3ii, not an r1.
I see the r5 series to be a better flagship camera, as it’s better for the general photographer, like the a1, whereas the r1 is more along the super niche lines of the a9iii.
This may have saved me gettting up at 4am! R52 at that price is having me thinknid rather wait and see where R3 prices fall to. I want that stacked sensor, but dont really need the 45mp. I have an r5 already and its a lot of MP for youth sports. Takes a lot of space and no real calue for the resolution. R3 in the low $3k would get me stacked, save storage space and get me some better weather seal....something to think about.
Simon, I’m not sure what’s up with your audio lately but it sounds way over compressed and your noise floor is pretty high. Throw a gate or expander on your audio track to calm down the background noise.
The audio hasn't changed. I use the same filters, and the same recorder. Has your speakers changed or the device? I'll have a look after tomorrow ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker no. Same setup. And it’s the same on my phone, my computer, hifi audio system, headphones… it didn’t used to sound that way.
Flap on top of R5Mii is probably timecode I hope?
Nope not time code. Looking at my R5C it is just the top part to the flap for USB and HDMI. Oh Well. So there is at least one benefit of the R5C over R5MII for video.
Finally the wait is over. Thank you Simon for sharing the info all these months .. I think R5 II will be the hot cake for Canon as 5d series did for them .. However, its Top tier camera am wondering Canon took a different path with R1 when compared to Nikon Z9 or Sony A1 they were the alphas in their respective brands for a reason
The only new thing I see is the price, it only competes with the most expensive camera but short on technology as always. Canon changes the directive, they are falling far behind.
I'm hugely dissapointed with the high price of the R5II - 4300$??? Canon are crazy
I'm here but the Adorama link does not take me to an R6 MkII page!🥵
Top ! But 4K120 Raw on 12bit ? Dynamic range ? Thanks for your job !
You're welcome... and it is SRAW on 4K
Do you have links for Canadian websites?
Sounds very good Simon!
My understanding is that Canon has a tradition of doing mild refreshes of its cameras every other cycle with the "revolutionary" changes every other cycle -- in other words, for the 1 & 5 series, every 8 years. Doesn't this actually fit that "normal" Canon cycle? Why should we really be surprised? The R3 and R5 are incredible cameras. The refreshes will also be incredible -- maybe just not as incredible as we might have hoped.
Simon - your pre-order links will work for US, correct?
Yes sir, they are designed for B&H and Adorama in the US.
Too expensive for the R5m2.
$300 more than the Z8...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker $800 more than the Z8
Yeah at that price I’ll stick to my R5
I looked online and couldn't find the answer. Does the new R5MkII have Fv mode? For me it's better than Manual mode and it's the only mode I shoot in.
No manual out yet and just preproduction units out there... I hope it is.
$4,299... OUCH!!!
Hi, Simon, one of the HK youtube said the R1 can AI resize from 24MP to 64MP.
both cameras are very disappointing efforts from Canon. Can't even match a 4 year old Sony A1...
The R1 isn't worth upgrading from the R3 imho.
R5II price is well, OTT imho.
Sony can delver 30 fps raw? 8K up to 60 fps raw. 4K sraw? I get that these cameras don't meet your needs, but to say they are not as capable as the A1 is not completely fair.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker If you have to look for specs like that in one area (in this case video) you are basically agreeing with him. You can say it might have 8k raw (filesize fun) at 60p but thats a very small group of people who need that and sony has a rather full video/film lineup (as canon does) to compete. Canon and Sony should have good video in cameras like this but it should never be the 'selling' feature really thats why they have video lineups. And if you take that out both the R5II but more the R1 looks like a 'meh' camera to many esp. after years of teasing and waiting. Lets see if maybe the software makes the difference and we see some interesting stuff tomorrow.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker No, it can't. But the A1 is near 4 years old. What's the best that the A1II won't be like 62mp, 2ms readout speed, improved DR and high ISO performance over the original A1 and shoot 40fps full RAW?
As to 8k 60p - again, no. And again, it's a near 4 year old camera. When the A1II comes out, it'll again smack the Canon offerings.
There are still many traditional photographers such as myself who don't give jack about video. I base my opinion on what suits my needs - stills.
Are people disappointed that the R1 has less megapixels than the R5II? I wonder if the R1's sensor quality is better than the R5's? It looks like from a video perspective, the R1 is better.
I expect the R1 to be able to move data much faster than the R5 II from capturing the incoming light, recessing it and storing it. I suspect it will also have better AF. I do see it aimed at a select group of customers, not a master of everything.
The price on the R5ii is ridiculous. I will wait for Black Friday.
Many of the same features of the A1... but it costs $6400...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker This pricing made me realize I really don't need another camera. My R5 and A7S3 will do just fine.
jared polin has videos out today with hands on using both R1 & R5 mk2
$4,300 USD is insane for a refresh of a camera. Really its just better AF and a stacked sensor. I was hoping for around $3500. Still gotta buy the $350 grip. after taxes its close to $5,000 lmao.
The R1 was a major letdown also. I don't understand why we were told the R3 wasn't a flagship when the R1 is slightly better then it.
Yet another Canon disappointment. I am STILL waiting on my canon rf200-800mm pre order lol. 9 months later still don't have it.
Seems like almost the same camera.
Whats keylight are you using?
7:49 is that a rocker switch of somesort for zooming in/out?
5II has been crippled with regards to card slots, buffer performance, AF performance in low light conditions (1 stop EV lower than the R1), EVF is only slightly better than the original R5, slight improvement in FPS (30fps, up from 20). Both cameras feature eye control AF (probably improved over the R3's version, or at least, let's hope so LOL).
8:15 was there a glitch in the matrix?
I’m just waiting for the R5C to drop price.
It already got one.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker what!!!??? WHERE!!!!!!
Shooting sports (American football, basketball, baseball, etc.) with the R5 and the R. R5 is my go-to for action shots and R is used for wide angle shots (less action). Should I get the R1?
I suggest waiting to see what Canon says about it, and wait for a few reviews.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I wrote that mid-video and as soon as I hit send, you started talking about sports! 🤣
This is not a master of everything. It is a sportscast action and some wildlife camera
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker that may be all I needed to know! Thanks!!
I’m hoping for a R3 II or a R6 III. I don’t think I need to buy two R1s.
The R1 auto focus need be really really good against the already good R3 autofocus or else I don’t see why would anyone buy that camera for that price??
I see the R5ii as a better deal for sure.
Honestly after the video spree you did a month ago I was expecting a space ship😂 it turns out it’s just a camera 🤷
No drum roll?
dynamic range?
There's no way the EVF is only going to be 0.76x when all the Sony cameras, apart from the a74 have a 0.91x EVF Canon is lacking.
Sraw, I guess it is cropped.... 4K