How To Build Your US Battlegroup - Broken Arrow Open Beta
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"You can't fit 13 Marines in a Humvee"
Oh boy you've never seen what the Marines can do when you issue a challenge like that...
Ahh, beat me to it. I was just about to comment "Clearly you've never met a marine".
They don't say "There's nothing more dangerous than a bored marine" for nothing.
Good video, but I wanted to leave some passing comments on some of the things you mentioned:
- the M1A1 FEP has an HE shell which makes it much better against infantry and light vehicles while losing out on the extra penetration you might want for uparmored IFVs, and the M60A1s also carry a HESH shell which does 50% more damage than a HEAT shell, at the cost of penetration as with the FEP.
- CAAT Dragon teams have two major advantages over TOW teams: they ripple-fire their Dragon ATGMs meaning you can bypass APS with one squad whereas TOWs need two, aswell as packing two .50 cal machine guns which make for excellent fire support, both against infantry and light vehicles. They're suited for different roles: TOWs will bust open tanks while Dragons will keep their IFVs at bay and provide valuable fire for your other infantry teams.
- I was a little suprised at how you neglected SMAW/SRAW teams, they're excellent fire support and tank busters respectively and potentially worth their weight in gold in your deck.
- Also suprised at you skipping out on Cavalry Scouts, stealthy recon infantry with a Javelin is nothing to scoff at. It might be pricey, but it can certainly be worth it in a lot of situations.
- the M6A2 Linebacker can actually shoot at helicopters, it has an HE round. However, unlike the A3/A4 variants, it also comes with AP ammo so it can defend itself against vehicles while still posing a threat against helicopters and aircraft, it just won't be as good at it as the A3/A4.
- Hellfires have one massive and one minor advantage over TOWs: they hit top attack armor thus doing vastly more damage, and they have slightly more range.
Looking forward to the Russia video!
Hey Stealth, the Gau-17 minigun on the osprey is actually mounted underneath the aircraft, its a remote gun that is retracted back into the body for landing
Ah ok thanks
@@Stealth17GamingTwo units that are missing from the game, SEALS & AC-130s.
@@jonathanflugge3557 There in specs that are not in the beta.
Isn't that the newest upgrade for the osprey, even though the entire aircraft is a death trap and high ranking officials keep saying they're going to decommission it?
@@RayHardman7567The belly gun has been in service for a while now, and the V-22 likely isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. It’s safety record is literally one of the best in the fleet, despite what popular media says.
The level of customization looks amazing,.
I think most of us gamers in Broken arrow will just sit in the Customizion tab for months building decks and or just thinking of what we could do with it lol I know I'll have some fun
This Video seriously hyped me up for Broken Arrow. Thank you Stealth
Happy to!
TOW-BB (BGM-71H) is a High Explosive prototype for Bunker Busting and obstacle clearing. It can penetrate 200mm of reinforced concrete.
BB's haven't been a prototype for years; we gave a whole shitload of them to Ukraine last year.
Personally I find Cav Scouts to be a mandatory pick. I had a fun time with the Harvest Hawk dropping IFAV TOWs behind enemy lines and hunting their AA during the closed beta
"13 Marines can't fit in a HUMVEE." Having known several marines I guarantee that will be taken as a challenge.
The thing I'm looking forward to most is the fact that you can customize units, upgrade them (like having trucks with armor kits and machine guns) and select their loadouts. That's what drove me nuts about WG:RD with just having no choice over what loadout units were using and knowing that certain aircraft could carry different or more effective weapons but you just had to live with what they had assigned to them.
... since this game has planned modding options, this will be interesting to undertake.
A tactical CnC Tiberium or CnC Generals mod? That would be awesome.
Properly will be better then anything EA can churn it in that regard...
There already is a work in progress Workshop tab ;). Mods would be great
@@Stealth17Gaming pretty sure they said steamworkshop will be open
@@Tomlar147 well, part of the problem is that the fandom is very aggressive in gatekeeping. They don't want things to change. Ever.
... in a market that is not only hostile to RTS but also insignificant to the console and mobile markets.
Oooh, that would be good. But custom units will have to be added in to fill in the gaps of each faction's forces.
Hi Stealth, great work - I think you have done a very good job presenting information and explaining things in all your Broken Arrow videos so far. Honestly I think this game looks too complicated for me as a casual gamer but I’m going to keep watching your videos as an old World In Conflict fan!
I feel like it should go without saying, but I wanted to add an addendum to your initial comments about transportation: you’re not restricted to loading and unloading a unit into its transport after its already been brought in. For example, you could deploy one infantry unit via helicopter and another on foot; and then load the foot-mobile troops onto the helicopter as soon as they arrive. Alternatively you could deploy troops in a forward position, and then send their transportation back to pick up reinforcements from another part of the map.
Good addition
I feel so much more prepared for the beta after this. I need a gameplay tutorial video next.
It's so exciting to see so many units, vehicles, and aircraft so faithfully recreated in a game. I was so excited to see shitters put in with the actual weight they can sling around and also so correctly modeled!
I am so excited to play this game
I believe the PIVADS can shoot down incoming cruise missiles as well as aircraft, so it has some capabilities not available to the LAV AD.
Exited for the open beta. I will play the heck out of this for at least a week.
I’m so glad a beta is here. I played the demo over and over again last year.
One thing of note is the MTVR and helicopters can carry supply.
I built a couple decks around the concept as I tend to be constantly bringing in new infantry and resupplying via helo.
Also, those IFAVs with a TOW are really good as a force projection when hidden in forests just behind or to the sides of infantry in buildings.
46:37 Something very important to note between Sparrows and Aim120s is the Sparrow needs to be guided to the target until it hits. The game states the differences as the 'passive' and 'active'. Aim120 you can fire to the target and break off, keeping the aircraft safer than having to guide it in and keep flying toward the threat.
I gotta say - i hope this game does well and that we'll get more content for a long time. I also hope that in this case, they adopt a system i mostly know from Paradox Interactive (specifically Stellaris) as the "Custodian Team". While the main team is working on new content, a second team is working on bringing old contentup to the standards of newer content. For example let's say this game still gets updates in 2032 and by then X Nation that they are introducing as a new Faction ( let's say for example Denmark) has procured or started Procurement of Rheinmetall's Skyranger 30 HEL, making it the first Laser Weapon in the game, but by that point the UK has also introduced Dragon fire into active Service, and the UK was one of the first DLC Nations. In that case i would hope that the UK gets an update ingame to also have access to their Laser Weapon.
SEPv2 and FEP have the same AT gun but in case of the FEP this is the only tank which has HE not HEAT as a second round. Its better to use those instead of SEP2
I wish the Devs would add more of a separation between US Army and USMC. The devs could've subbed Scout Sniper team for a Ranger Sniper team and Force Recon with Ranger Recon and keep the Cav Scouts because I am glad my MOS is proudly presented in the game.
They also could've subbed the LAV-25's for the stryker counter parts like what we use in the Army. We have many variants of the stryker as well
Those are around they just not in the open beta
REJECT ABRAMS, EMBRACE PATTON
It's actually a shame that they don't let you upgrade the Patton. It's an M60A1, even (not that it means much since no M60s are still in active service with the U.S. outside of training/adversary use, but the A1 entered service in around 1972...). Not even an A3 model.
And some of the foreign M60 Patton variants that are in service still with foreign militaries - like the Magach 7 and the M60T Sabra II - are just plain scary to see how much that they've been upgraded and how different that they look. And then you have the various prototypes like the Super M60 and M60 2000 which just looked awesome.
It was a great tank that is... still surprisingly competitive in modern times. I'd sure as hell rather be in an upgrade M60 with modern equipment than in a T-62/T-64/T-72/T-80.
@@matchesburn The M60A1s are part of the USMC spec, they never got the A3s and the Army stop useing them long before the time range the game picked to draw units from.
@@Zacho5
I mean... Given the timeline the game takes place in, there's a lot of anachronisms. M47 Dragon still being used. M60 Patton anything being used. The fact that since 2021 that the USMC hasn't even had an active tank battalion of anything since 2021...
@@matchesburn Because it hard to find equipment specific for usmc. It is as you said they stopped fielding tanks battalion. They also prioritise gameplay more than realism. M60 gun are better at clearing inf so they add it
@@MagpieMewIs the USMC supposed to receive the M10 Booker? Or is that strictly meant for Airborne units?
I am sooooo excited for this game
first time i know more thing than stealth when he makes a video hehe.
btw for anyone curious, the devs said at launch both nationa will have 5 specs each, anyone is welcome to speculate which those will be
You do? Please share. I want to learn as much as I can on Broken Arrow :D
@@Stealth17Gaming yes, i was playing the closed beta a lot haha
not sure how much i can say without breaking NDA but ill try
the drawing map is NOT used the way its supposed to be haha, leads to quite some funny drawings
both sides already have a great variety of units, especially in support you have to really know ur units and which perform best at what, you dont want too much heavy anti air as your teammates will also bring those and generally having more than 5 on the field is just overkill. light anti air is also pretty important and especially for the stinger team the americans get, you always want to bring some supplies, as they only have 3 missles and thats generally how much it takes to kill a helo (since its also flaring and stuff) meaning your manpad team might not even be able to take out a helo in one go without reloading
testing around in matches or asking more experienced players is usually the way to go while figuring out the best decks for urself. usually you will quickly see whats the meta and what units are brought the most so you can adjust your decks in that sense
@@ronkaufhold6253lol you didn’t really provide any advice. Just basic knowledge.
@@TheMasterChief101234 Bro it's not like I can say a lot without breaking NDA. Im Not supposed to talk about any content involving the closed beta or my experience from it, I can only give basic advice
This is the reason I want this game and the editor
I wasn’t really excited for Broken Arrow but the Deckbuilder looks neat, i‘ll definitely give it a try. Can you mix different versions units? Like one M109 witch cluster and one with HE?
unfortunately you cant, however, there are plenty of options to mix different artillery types
Im so going to love playing this game, I love helis, and I do so believe this will be my bread and butter of the year for a modern RTS
I suspect (and hope) that we'll be playing this the next 5 years
@@Stealth17Gaming oh for sure, is it going to come with mod support later on?
Just remember that this is not a eugen game and RNG is minimal so a single AA can easily shut down helos.
@@nightwolf2378 Yes
@@Boss_Man1371 true, but its pretty realistic, as a helo wont be able to withstand too much firepower, hell, even a few rounds of 7.62/5.56 to the proper spots can cripple and take down a helo
DONT SLEEP ON THE M60S! They're great for anti infantry and anti apc. great for increasing volume of fire
Nice work! Just thought you’d find this easier for narrating: It’s ok to say “SEP” as a word (pronounced like you would say ‘September’). Same for “LAV” (like ‘lave’, the French word for wash).
holy hell, i didn't even realise it was nearly 50 minutes long
Yeah tons to talk about. Not sure how to get it down to 30 min or so. There are so many considerations
4:41 "the king stallion is a very big helicopter"
*laughs in mi-26*
Logistic trucks with self defence options.
For repelling Stealth and his supply stealing tactics.
Don't give the plot away xD
@@Stealth17Gaming oops. Sorry.
I don't find that useful at all. Yeah they can defend themselves technically but not remotely enough to actually survive sneak attacks. Which makes it kinda pointless.
PAC-3 can counter enemy missiles and ordnances as well
The only thing I need is a skirmish mode vs AI so I can learn at my own pace without becoming a k/d farming station for the more experienced players in the online multiplayer scene. The amount of times I was trying to check out what certain type of units were able to do while getting slaughtered by stuff all over the place I couldn't even see, pretty much sums up my multiplayer experience.
And playing the single player mission for the 50th time isn't exactly going to cut it. Will probably have to wait for the next beta in order to fool around with the game and learn it at my own pace.
Looking really good so far. I don't think they use the M47 Dragon anymore, though? Same thing with the PAC-2. Idk. either way the game looks baller
Great video your detail is spot on thank you, ? My friend is a navy seal we want to know are the seal teams an option in the game? Thanks again I can’t wait for this game.
I haven't seen any SEALS no. Not all specializations and units are in the game yet so they might still come later.
@@Stealth17Gaming SEALs won't be an option, but as far as I know there will be Special Forces.
SEALs might be an option later with specialisation broadening in the full release, but currently their not. Only SOF on the American side am aware of being implemented right now are the Marine Raiders
Do you plan to make a video of first US camping mission?
Won't be in the beta as far as I know
I really hope we get some good single player content, I've always loved RTS but hated the extremely fast and optimized multiplayer for stuff like the wargame series. Always enjoyed a good campaign.
The full release will have single player scenarios
Hype
would love it for Mac
Honestly it's probably for the better that we can't take two cards of the same unit with different mods, but I wish that was an option
So how do I laser target the enemy to make my Himars work?
Hey how do you fire the HARM missles?
Dear Mr Stealth please consider making videos of other factions and sub factions of the game considring how well this video is doing 🎉🎉🎉
Yes I'm planning on doing the Russian one soon. When other factions and specializations come out I'll probably cover them
So do the Specializations only affect the amount of points you can spend in each category? Or do they also make units available that wouldn't otherwise available? So if i pick for example specializations that dont include Armored, can i soend all the Vehicle Points i get to get a single maxed out M1A2 Sep v3, or do i have to take Armored to even get Access to the M1A2 Sep v3?@@Stealth17Gaming
@@avsbes98 I suspect they also impact the type of units available but I can't test that theory because we haven't seen other specializations at the moment
Thank you. Will be interesting to see that when it is possible.@@Stealth17Gaming
@@avsbes98specs affect the points per category and the units available. Like with the USMC you wouldnt get the SepV3 because its tied to the armored spec. Similar to how all the aircraft in the video are tied to the USMC because the armored spec doesn't get any points for planes.
i just want to play!
I hope will be there a skirmish mode in single player
Damn this game looks good too bad I'm too busy with uni 😢
When is the beta ?
The biggest issue to me is the shorter range compared to real life. I'll have to get into it to figure out if the US forces have attack and detecrion range over the Russian forces.
im edging until this game comes out
game looks very cool, but i have absolutely no experience with games like these so i might get smoked
still though, the game and this deckbuilder look pretty epic
Yeah it will have a steep learning curve
honestly i just hope i get a decent team and dont get immediately cooked on release
Will helicopers and aircraft be able to laze for their Hellfires/ Paveways?
I suspect so, depending on the gear you give them.
Me designing my deck:
Lol fuck that.
ONLY TAKE THE MOST EXPENSIVE SHIT!!!
Knowing me I’ll just upgrade everything to the max and then complain that it’s too expensive 😅
Hmmm.
What if I wanted to make an air assault battlegroup which brings in vehicles via sling-loading them under chinooks or whatever, is that doable?
Not in the open beta but I suspect it will be in the full release
I’m pretty sure that there is a Russian helicopter that can transport small vehicles.
In general is there big differences between BA and Wargame games?
Yes. Units slowly flow back into the deck/battlegroup when killed. Tons more customization of units, both with loadout and transport options. Units use height of buildings as a factor too. Supplies are brought in differently, also more flexibility here.
how to download it on my steam still coming soon
What is that small colour icon on the right? Can you change unit camo?
Yes. Work in progress though. Don't think it's in the beta
@@Stealth17Gaming thanks. Also, TOW-BB is for Bunker Buster
@@Stealth17Gaminghey stealth during the closed beta it actually works it can open and you can change camo’s as you please and also the GAU-17 on the osprey is a ball turret
For AT, is it best to always take top attack missiles?
No, top attack against a transport is overkill, which can make your infantry needlessly expensive.
@@Stealth17Gaming how do airdrops work? The idea of using a plane/chopper to drop stuff is incredible but how do I get my guys in there? Can they be shot while descending?
@@Kebabje Get a transport helicopter in the helicopter tab during deck building. When in game you select the infantry tab and you select the infantry you want to call in and click the helicopter. Works the same with the paradrop
@@Stealth17Gaming thanks maat, am excited for the game release. Although it will be a difficult game. Currently teaching someone wargame.
I want more nations
Why release on Monday , how long is it up for? Strange to me that they release these things during the week , you would get a hell of a lot more players on a weekend...still ...cant wait , really excited for this game
They're releasing on Wednesday. It's open till half Feb. Don't worry, they'll attract tons of players
Oh I know they will , but usually these open beta's are only a few days then get shut off and I never get to play them because of work, so I'm glad to hear it will be open for a few weeks anyway... @@Stealth17Gaming
Please do russian battle group as well
Are we able to play other nations as well or is it just going to be USA and Russia??
USA and Russia. Maybe other nations later I think
USA and Russia at Launch, but afaik about a year ago they already confirmed that they have plans to add more Nations after Launch (likely as DLCs) if the game is a success, with the first addition they were already loosely planning for back then being China, with Germany likely being the fourth Faction.
Personally, i hope that after these four we also get France, the UK, Sweden, Poland, Italy, South Korea, Japan, North Korea, India, maybe Hungary (especially interesting because afaik Broken Arrow is set in an alternative near future - and Hungary is currently basically buying Rheinmetall's entire catalogue for the next few years - including finishing the development of KF 51 Panther) and maybe more.
I bet some people are having a panic attack right nowadays
What? No FREEDOM brrrrtt?
Why isn't the Chinook a helicopter option?
Might come later. I don't think all units are in yet
@@Stealth17Gaming ah. Ok then. Well, if it is added, have fun with it. It's a really versatile thing.
geg
Looks interesting my only concern would be micro transactions.
So no AC-130 or similar to be an absolute nuisance to those below with
AC-130s cannot operate in areas with any kind of modern air defense. The gunship concept was created to help deal with insurgent assaults in Vietnam, in areas with no air defense weapons at all.
@@Genktarov yes but if it was sufficiently cheap it could act as a unit that extremely good after you manage to hunt down all enemy air defense. They also have the Patton as something that is quite outdated.
The spooky has been teased as an option, it might show up with the full release. Though its definetly gonna be a gamble to bring that thing anywhere near a conventional force
Damn complex deck system. Could go hours just to balance things out. I hope the game has no game breaking bugs, like most ambitious games nowadays.
nice video, can you make it for russians too please?
Yes. Coming soon
Halfway through, and you still haven't mentioned that you can just use any vehicle (with enough capacity) in your deck to bring in infantry (and vehicles).
Right, you can bring vehicles inside air vehicles. The US in this version does not really have a lot of options, but the Russians do.
But besides that, you can even do parachute drops. (no idea if I am allowed to mention the effects of that :^) )
I do mention it in the video.
they picked VMFA 225 as the F35B skin... Booo they suck. When I was in with VMFA 211, 225 was still f18s and one of the guys in my unit stole their viking hatchet lol. they should have pick VMFA-211. we where the 2nd usmc F-35B unit to stand up, we where also the first US F35 to deploy and we where the first to see combat dropping bombs and doing gun runs on the enemy. I vote for a reskin lol
There might be a reskin. I haven't checked out all the camouflage schemes yet.
@@Stealth17Gaming well I'd love the game more if I saw my plane on their. Our show bird was pretty cool when it was all painted in color. Plus we painted bomb and gun runs markers ok the nose landing gear doors and under the lift fan door we had either a flag or lion that youd only see when the door was open. It really was awesome and I have picture from deployment
i want to say this is the most un optimized decks i’ve ever seen
I'm open to your suggestions.
Your choice of only 2x AA and 3x ATGM infantry squads, but 14x rifleman squads seemed pretty surprising to me. In my opinion, the objective of infantry is to dig in and hold positions against asymmetric threats, such as tanks and helicopters, as opposed to fighting other infantry (mainly because, at the end of the day, a tank or IFV, with armour and a cannon is always going to do a better job of defeating infantry, than a bunch of guys with rifles).
I also rarely pick armoured vehicles such as Bradleys for recon, as they're too conspicuous and thus quite easily spotted. The role of recon units should generally be to spot enemy units, without risking being spotted and engaged themselves (because - unlike your other units - when you lose your recon, you lose your ability to engage and counter enemy units in totality). The only exception to this, is in situations where the recon unit has some kind of asymmetric advantage over the enemy units it's detected (for example, outranging them, or being in a position to ambush them). I personally would have picked the TOW launchers, over the non TOW-equipped Bradley, as they had the same optics value, without requiring an upgrade, as well as the ability to outrange/ambush enemy tanks with their TOW missiles.
Granted, this is based mostly on my experience of playing games like WARNO/Wargame, as opposed to BA (however I did also play quite a bit of World in Conflict back in the day).
Russian deck build?
Coming soon
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The deck concept in all these games i dont licke it it always kept me away becouse it restricts you too much i hope they macke a mode free of decks
I think the devs need to look at the us vs rus spg artillery. Ukraine has proven that US Artillery is much more accurate. How they justify give the Russians less dispersion is sus.
NM I just realized the devs are Russian. Too bad it looked like a promising game.
@@CrispyBakedPotato There are...Ukrainians on the team too as far as i'm aware. I'm all for supporting Ukraine but this isn't russian propaganda.
@@Noble-ws8ph I hope not.
Russian bias isnt really strong in this game, in the current meta the US equipment has a slight advantage. For example russian missiles are modled with a significantly higher likelyhood to randomly fail and either just miss or loose their track completely and slam back into the ground/ your own units. The game somewhat assumes though a more "up to standard" operational readiness in the russian military then what is current. Essentially assuming a competent leadership without alot of the systemic problems plagueing Rusfor irl
Russians now ? Pleeeeeeeeease ? 😁
Just to be “That Guy”, Marines don’t use the M4, they use the M-16. Every Marine a rifleman.
Wrong. they are using the m27 currently, maybe in the 2000’s but in 2024 they now use M27 a long barrel hk416.
@@ghostkilla2016 the USMC bought the M27’s, but only 15,000 of them…for 180k combat personnel.
@ghostkilla2016 no they only use that in small numbers to replace the saw.
@@geod5 the M240/249 has a completely different use, so no.
We get whatever the army decides to get rid of
How do you use himars high explosive? I can use the cluster but cannot get it to shoot with that one🥲