Im a Guatemalan and I am going to be honest. Whoever is saying it’s a place only for the “ultra-rich” is either a liar or super salty. Fact is everybody from middle-low class to the high class live and frequent the site. Admittedly Cayala does have some housing neitherby which is pretty much inaccesible for the average Guatemalan, but the comercial place is very accessible. Unless you are a beggar or homeless. The most valid criticism is that the development was made on a forest. But it was a private land, so it’s really a matter of property rights.
De hecho era un terreno desolado sin muchos arboles. El core del bosque está en el barranco y sigue ahí. Aunque es cierto que ya han hecho un par de proyectos cerca que están destruyendo ese bosque pero estos proyectos no son parte como tal de cayala ni de sus desarrolladores. (Aunque su nombre tenga “cayala”) pero estos pasan desapercibidos por que todo el populismo y resentimiento cae solo en “ciudad cayala”
I'm a foreigner living in Guatemala and this is why I have always been confused about the outrage over Cayalá. Whenever I am there on the weekends, it seems to be full of everyday Guatemalans who want a safe place to hang out and walk around. I don't just see rich people walking around and I don't see too many foreigners like myself.
Im Guatemalan, that place used to be the biggest forest in the city, is gone. What´s left it´s gonna disappear with the new expansion. Is basically a huge shopping center sorrounded by expensive houses and apartments, terrible traffic, no public transportation, it´s a nightmare for poor workers to get there. At night it´s full, but you can also see some drunk underage rich and middle income teenagers. It´s a lot of fun if you have money, just like everywhere else.
@@vinigomez598 No solo Cayalá, también las demás zonas y los asentamientos han Sido originalmente bosques, incluso hubo colinas que fueron consumidas para extraer material para la construcción. Técnicamente la casa dónde estamos en algún momento fue bosque, no es que sea asunto solo de Cayalá.
@@vinigomez598 I see it differently. Most developments on previously unbuilt land do impact plants. But, If you compare Cayala with basically any development in Guatemala, it did leave much more plants and built more beautiful parks and gardens. The site even includes a well kept ecological reserve. In other words, I find the comments unfair. Saying there were trees and other plants where you now have buildings, doesn’t mean they were irresponsible when compared with the standard, even more, when you compare it with other developments in Guatemala.
Not perfect, nothing is, but what's encouraging about this example is that it's simply a throwback to a time when cities were designed for people instead of cars. Turns out, humans are pretty good at building cities! One flaw I see is that they compromised with cars and made it an elite destination...it's private. The Edenicity channel here on CZcams explains a lot of the "why" questions in this video...like "why is there no crime" and "why is it so quiet even with so many people?"
You better watch out. Most of them are not only foreigners, but infiltrators, agents, and scoundrels. Learn from the past. Learn from history. Saludos desde 🇲🇽Kamarada
It's Disneyland. Disappointed with the scale of parking too. But it proves that great urbanism can still be built. And while highrises don't fit that particular esthetic, in big growing cities they should not be excluded. There are ways to make them work. Gated communities are a sign of societal failure. It's a high price to pay to support a system where the few have all the wealth.
Since they are on a hill, high rises should be avoided and built downwards, along the edge of the mountain / hill… use elevators & escalators to move people up / down There are ways to do more urbanization, without losing the esthetic. If the wealthy design it, it provides income to the other people who build & sustain it. The wealth is decentralized through such projects. People who work gain dignity. Crime decreases since everyone is a part of the solution.
and that’s true, in Guatemala there’s an incredible wealth gap between the middle class, the poor and the rich, Cayalá is made as it is to avoid poor people getting there, there’s no public transportation that takes you there, the only way to get there is a taxi or a personal vehicle, And the panorama is also very segregated, from one side you have a gated community with houses that vary from $2 million-$4 million and in front of it, a neighborhood that does not have even water and it’s mostly poor.
@@DavidHalko most people who live there are American immigrants, Guatemalan congressman who are probably accused and have ties with drug dealing and some Guatemalans that are part of the elite
@@DavidHalko Saludos, en ciudad Guatemala en los últimos cinco años se han construido más de 125 nuevos edificios más de cien para apartamentos y el resto para oficinas y clínicas médicas, en 2019 fue reconocida por segunda vez como la más verde de iberoamérica con sus más de 300 parques, es la ciudad más poblada, moderna y cosmopolita de centroamérica en la actualidad.
As a native Hoosier, I'm glad to see so many references to Indiana mentioned in this design. Notre Dame & South Bend, IN are not far from my house. Go Fighting Irish!
What's behind you, what you named the edge of Cayalá, is indeed privately owned land, just like the land over which Cayalá was built in. Even though it doesn't seem like a gated community, it is to a high degree. Only the Paseo Cayalá area, which is basically a big exterior mall, is open to the public from 11:00 am to 10:00 pm. The reason it is a relatively safe place to hang out in comparison to other places, is because there is alot of private security and quick response assistance from the government police due to the political and economic influence the owners of the place have, and because of the touristic importance of the location. It is a place worth visiting.
I understand the argument that it is not a real city, and it is true, urbanistically speaking it is more of a private neighborhood with semi-public spaces. However, I do not see it as something negative, it is true that it will not have the real dynamics of a city, due to the excessive control that a private development and administration has. It shows that at least in the aesthetic aspect and spatial distribution it can be developed as if it were something more natural and organic. Another developer and architects could have made a large closed mall with a couple of office towers, residences and a hotel, but they decided to give it a more human aspect and distribute those functions in small buildings in a set of many blocks and boulevards, plazas, and that is worth it. Trying to reincorporate the concept of mixed-use zoning and pedestrians.
I lived in Guatemala for a couple of years back a while ago. Cayala represent something for the top 2% of Guatemala (my estimates) and Americans. No average Guatemala family will go there and pay American prices for stuff they dont need. It is like going to Disney World and saying it represents the USA
Not true, I’m middle class and i can aford that, many can aford it, there’s more than 10% of Guatemalan who can live there but majority prefer something outside of Guatemala City due to the heavy traffic, you probably went to the poor areas of Guatemala.
This is not true. I live in Guatemala City, and whenever I go to Cayalá on the weekends, I don't just see rich people there. I see a lot of Guatemalans walking around with their families and just trying to enjoy a safe space.
Where are the trees? In a place like Guatemala you would think a new development would incorporate tree cover to reduce temperatures. Those boulevards are wide enough to have trees down the middle or lining the sides.
Well, under the city is a huge parking garage, so big trees will be a big problem with their roots going into concrete. They have a large open park with trees and a lot of gardens, but that's the trade-off to keep cars out of the city.
So it's a huge gated community with a fancy lifestyle center attached. Disappointing, but what you'd expect. You should go see Cul de Sac in Phoenix too.
It is exactly that, a gated city for the oligarchs. It doesn’t have a gate but they don’t need it when most people are brainwashed to adore the wealthy.
Saying its “gated” is disingenuous. The commercial part is super accessible. What it is gated are the residencial areas. Which if you’d dig you’d find almost every residencial space is gated.
@@danielcristianescobar8157 The commercial part of cayala is only accessible if you have a car, there’s no public transportation that takes you there, that’s a way to segregate the poor people from the rich
what do expect, Guatemala is like New York just don't go to towns like. Esquipulas , El Quiche but if you wanted the real experience then I said give them a try.
beautiful. Obviously designed for middle and upper class folks, and the security is probably a necessity if conditions are like Mexico City, where many families have bodyguards. Still, this is a huge step in the right direction of building better cities. I disagree about the high rises - some people love living in them and they are way more sustainable energy-wise (density).
Definitely. High rises are the alternative to sprawl and are the only way to have walkable neighborhoods without the homes being tiny. High rises are only a bad idea in quake zones.
@@cjstanley1 High rises tend to do a lot worse than mid rises in terms of energy use per unit. Tough this place seems to be on the low end for a city environment anyway.
Beautiful City indeed. I wish you the best guatemalans. Keep building like this amazing zone in all over your country. I know you can do it! Best wishes!!
The key to this magnificent construction is that the architects studied at Notre Dame. It is the dream of architects who want to preserve humanity and the art of architecture in urban planning is to study at Notre Dame. The place is beautiful.
It is not, it is a private development. Their solid waste ends up in a landfill -where it's only a problem for the people that live near it- and it's wastewater ends up polluting the river nearby. That's just my dear Guatemala's extreme inequality for you. Where poor people end up paying when the rich won't take responsibility.
@@user-fg5zh1ri7h Y lo peor de todo es que el ministerio público ha tenido más de 3000 casos relacionados al medio ambiente y la mayor parte de los han descartado, mi bella Guatemala, desigual para los nativos
Great senses, Ive lived both in Guatemala City and Los Ángeles and Cayala is like Rodeo Drive (and a smaller Westwood, UCLA type hood) but what also makes it exciting for us Guatemalans is that the concept is being copied (though to a smaller scale) in other areas in Guatemala like Rethalueu and Juan Gaviota in the Pacific, Rio Dulce in the Caribbean side and in the highlands and eastern mountains such as Xela, Huehue, Coban and Chiquimula. The high rises are not the best news but it also means more affordable housing to more middle and lower income Guatemalans (see Irvine and Rancho Santa Margarita developments in California) So Cayala its not an end in itself, it will never be perfect, can be improved and made more accessible to more people as time goes, which for middle income countries is already a win win. Loved your great vibes, enthusiasm and great knowledge about this subjets and sharing with us. Blessings and greetings! 🙏👋🩵🇬🇹
It's a beautiful place, but it is very obviously for expats. The Guatemalans you see in the community are there to work for the owners. They are invited in to participate in the events and then they are essentially escorted out until they come back to work the next day. The average Guatemalan can't afford to live in the community, just work for those who do. And it is definitely a gated community. If you want to experience Guatemala, this is NOT the place to do it.
I thought Guatemala and South and central Americans had contempt for colonial architecture, because well, colonization. I’d have no problem if it was just admitted that colonial architecture is appealing, civilized and works well. This looks like a clean Valencia Spain. Great video. Thanks
We could take it a step forward and acknowledge that what is labeled as “colonial architecture” : is found natively, on all continents and is/was created by an earlier human civilization, that existed just until 1800. And had global influence & now lost tools and techniques for creating masterful symmetry and proportion seen in all old stone buildings around the world. Supporting this new understanding, besides old photographs, is the too quick to be true , unrealistic, construction times given (to all this intricate lasting beauty) in our basic school history. The old story doesn’t add up. But we’re surely living a new version of it, becoming aware of our true past. Namaste 🙏
Hi Ricky. First and foremost, thank you for a well done research about Cayala. Just a little thing more to add up, Cayala is where the kids of the upper middle class Guatemalans live; as well as, 25 % international people. Furthermore, I have to agree with you about no Solar panels, but it's a reason why....(To preserve the look of the city)
Welcome! You seem to have visited Paseo Cayalá in Cuidad Cayalá. There are other neighboring "plazas" such as Cardales (where McDonalds is) and Varietá, and expanding like Nogales. The planning is insane
It looks very neat and impressive. There are a lot of good things about it. Too bad it's so small and doesn't have much space to expand. It's a bit like an island in the city. However, I hope other cities can take inspiration from this, by taking the best parts of it, and improving on it.
I'm disturbed by the fact that's it has become a sort of private gated city, but I don't have any issues with high rise apartments being built to make it a more efficient use of lane rather than them having to build out into a sprawl.
it's not a gated place. The mall part is open to anyone and everyone, the gated part is just where the people actually live, which is gated mainly for security reasons.
Hello everyone, Guatemalan here. Sadly, paseo Cayalá is not as much a city as it is a mall with a idillic european city aesthetic and luxury flats for the ultra rich. It has been controversial from the start It cannot be a good example of city development because it is not a public space. It projects the illusion of a third space but it's not at all that. It's just an open mall where if you aren't a customer, you might as well be undesirable. This isn't an achievement of public infrastructure and management, it just puts on the forefront the gaping inequality in which we live in Guatemala. You can actually take photos of the "la limonada" slum with Cayalá city in the background. It is environmentally unsustainable too, being developed in a formerly forested area of Guatemala City. Their solid wasta is also sent to the municipal landfill and most of it's wastewater ends in the rio Contreras.
@@Rachel-ct3jc hello friend. No, I'd rather not live in poverty thank you. I'm just saying that the existence of Cayalá won't take anyone out of poverty
Look into how much of a city's 'public spaces' are actually private and you will start to see that you can apply the 'not what it seems' moniker to a lot of cities. London has huge spaces that seem public but are private corporations properties, from the obvious Canary Wharf to Battersea to all along both sides of the Thames, including around Tower Bridge that you wouldn't know was private land until you test the security.
Interesting take about sky scrapers. I would like to learn more about your opinion of them. Regardless, thank you for pointing out the Disneyland astroturfing here. It isn't to much to ask that they set aside 1/3 the residents to median household income and keeping the standard family housing. In mixed use sky scrapers or not. Regardless parking and utilities beneath the neighborhood is slick and has tons of benefits. The absence of overhead lines is great to see. I would love to see that in our cities in the US.
For me the biggest catch is that it doesn't feel like a real European city as it was intended. Mostly because the lack of public transport, the big residential area that is closed to the public, but mainly the lack of mixed housing in the residential area with most of the buildings being just a facade with no apartments inside.
The primary difference here is between the government and the private sector. What governments fail to accomplish the private sector is typically willing to take over and improve.
Some of the criticisms of this development seem legitimate, but it is a shame that anytime a new and innovative project is created, it is met with a wave of cynical, unrealistic, and nitpicking reactions. No, Cayala doesn’t solve all the deep-rooted problems of Guatemala and ‘ the Third World’, but I’m glad to see that Guatemala can have nice things, too. Economic and societal changes that would improve the lives of the poor in Guatemala are more critical than developments like Cayala, but that shouldn’t eliminate the possibility for good projects from going forward. It seems like people equate knee jerk criticism with virtue and sophistication.
Looks like a city within a city. Kind of like the suburb I live in, where they decided to build a city within the suburb. I'd like to move to the country. 😂
Another great city to look at is Carmel, Indiana. It’s considered one of the best cities in the US to live. The architects that designed Cayala are also out of Indiana.
@@TwoBitDaVinci I tried to send a link, but I think CZcams removed it. Check out the short documentary “This is the Best Designed Suburb in America.” The city was developed using tax increment financing
I’ve looked into this before. It’s basically a lifestyle center surrounded by expensive housing around it. Only the towncenter is public. There’s no room for expansion so it was never meant to be a real city. The rich people in Guatemala just wanted a walkable safe area to live so they built this. 0/10 from me. Revamp the actual downtown areas and bring jobs and reduce corruption. Then you’re actually doing something good
xD. Yeah... the rich have places to walk that's not Cayala my guy hahahaa. If you ever actually go, you will see the people that go and spend their sundays there. Picnicking and just chilling with family
live in guatemala, here thinks private don't get build half way, and yes, they build fast and the standards are high since this country is in the ring of fire and quakes are usual, so they build things to stand the quakes;
I wish usa development put even a fraction of care, planning, thoughtfulness, and architecture into new developments. For a planned development this is quite remarkable
The taller building being built is a great idea ... the density brings more tax and more people for the businesses and also potential for locations for mass transit stations out of city busses etc.
The skyscraper comment should be its own episode. With partnerships with some other scientist; social engineer, ecologist,biolist et... Might touch a nerve on the unresponsible reproducers in the world but do we want more and more people to be smooshed into smaller and smaller spaces? Or do we want to have more reasonable sustainable smaller secure communities? Whats the environmetal impact of a skyscraper does it really take up less space when you consider sewer waste and garbage waste that has to come out of the building and go somewhere else? And the energy it takes to run it how much land use is actually used on that? Not to mention the lack of unique culture in such places. Or is it the opposite if you get a good design it can be rich in culture and more sustainable? Of course the limiting factor will again probably be money so only the rich can afford a good skyscraper designed with wellbeing and unique culture of people in mind.
It is not a city. It is a shopping center. a very large mall. It is not urban development. It's just a real estate project. The real city does not see its problems solved with this type of projects. in fact it increases them: more traffic and less green areas. It's just a real estate bubble, many apartments are empty and many suspicious things happen in that place, meaning money laundering.
@@hughporter2541Guatemala City has some of the worsts traffic problems in the world. Cayalá, doesn’t really have “roads” inside it because it’s a really small area. And despite taking care of their adjacent roads, there’s also heavy traffic around the area, specially in peak hours. I study in a university near Cayalá and I have to drive there daily.
@@hughporter2541 it's not a city, it's a shopping mall. and in fact there are many cars there, in an underground parking lot that covers the entire area.
Not sure where you guys are from, but here in NZ, we've had those 3 kinds of recycled bins for decades now. No car cities are fantastic, that's been the case for Melbourne city in Australia for years and why it often gets voted one of the top cities in the world.
In the area where Cayala is built upon, it is very susceptible to droughts. It is theorized that they steal A LOT of water from the nearby colonies/housing areas through the municipality (the authorities that are in charge of taking care of the city) which is known to be very much so corrupt, leaving people without water.
An “urbanist” city that’s only for rich people and tourists isn’t a real city-it’s a theme park. Urbanism that doesn’t include all classes of people just doesn’t interest me at all, they already had that under New Urbanism.
Perhaps the designer quit because he couldn't reconcile the polarised class-divide in Latin American countries with that in European ones, it's huge. The average Guatemalan family likely couldn't afford to eat there, let alone live there. Imagine believing you're building a city for a future, equitable society only to realise you're building a rich kids play park. He would have been better off re-developing existing cities with modern concepts to lift the middle-class in strategic areas.
Yes but the corrupt rich family was funding it. So he had no say. He thought they were going to bring lower classes in aka (he was lied to) thats why he quit. Imagine the whole time thinking you can bring lower classes in and uplift those that have less yet the whole time its going to be only for the uber wealthy.
You mentioned the use of solar and a focus on EVs. I agree, but I think this would've been even more interesting if the homes and businesses were constructed with biomaterials, such as mass timber, strawbale, hemp, rammed earth, bamboo, etc. Also, since you mentioned solar, and this is a planned development, I think the AC and hot water should be sourced from ground-source heat pumps.
Interesting! You should make a part 2 comparing this project with the utopist urban projects of the late 19th century in England and North America (Garden Cities etc), including who they were intended to.
Saludos cordiales, este proyecto está dirigido hacia la clase media alta, un compañero de estudios que vendió agua en garrafones de casa en casa, su familia en los ochentas inició un negocio de fabricación de muebles, este creció mucho con los años y actualmente viven en este proyecto residencial, igualmente una prima que es profesional universitaria al igual que su pareja igualmente viven ahí.
It's a nice try, at least, but it has a Disneyland feel, inorganic and seems like a Lifestyle Center Mall 2.0. Probably not many Mom and Pop stores there, and just corporate giants renting storefronts or well connected families opening up bars/restaurants.
It’s simply a private resort villa made of mixed used buildings instead of residential top and commercial bottoms they just made arrangement horizontal, sort of like Disney downtown with condos next to it. The failure is gating of the residential area. Prob more due to ego than security.
Luxury high rise buildings can benefit local communities as they take less footprint and can allow more traditional housing and mixed use buildings in the rest of the community. Local businesses can also benefit from the wealthier clientele brought in by the luxury apartments.
Open public areas on safe, clean pedestrian streets sound good to me. Every city has its areas where people of different levels of wealth congregate. Cayala is no different.
Cayalá es una residencial privada con un área semi pública con guardias vigilando que no te desvies de la zona permitida. No es una ciudad es una zona residencial privada con una calle peatonal convertida en un Centro Comercial al aire libre con comercio mayoritariamente de alta gama accesible solo para la clase media alta que representan menos del 10% de la población.
Still waiting for the dark side, because all you did was blow sunshine the whole video. Even when you were pointing out the obvious gentrification. They must have paid for your flight and hotel.
Design versus operations. Development based on corporatism principles. This is like any other subdivision where money is welcome in, but the people who are bringing that money are not welcome to stay & enjoy what their money pays for. As long as wealthy people want to live there & can decide what happens to their compounds, it will be fine. If the architecture is designed & built for passive sustainability, active electricity & efficiency measures can be added, but it’s not required for a marker of success IMHO.
"skyscraping is an immoral act" but gated communities are not? Cities like Tokyo, New York, Mexico City, depend on skyscrapers to lower the cost of housing since land is becoming increasingly limited. Los Angeles, is in the state that it is because of their reluctance to allow skyscrapers, or mid rise buildings throughout the city. Try to get some sense on reality.
I was just there. Depending on who you are you may or may not like it. It’s almost like a little piece of Las Vegas stuck in a corner of the city. There are people taking pictures of stuff walking around but it’s really just like a big outdoor mall w overpriced bars and restaurants that aren’t really that great. It definitely wasn’t for me
The only sustainable aspect of this project is the notion that people like to live there and that this will quite likely still be the case after fifty years. But beyond that, there's not much if anything. Despite the absence of cars in the street, the fact that they are all underground illustrates that the place was designated with car-dependency totally build-in. No public transport in sight, no bicycles, not even busses. Construction is traditional and overly unsustainable: concrete and steel cause 10% of greenhouse gasses and they can ONLY be produced using fossil fuels, due to the need for extreme temperatures. Concrete and steel should be either replaced by sustainable materials (like wood which is abundantly available locally. How about supporting the local economy?) or produced in a sustainable way like with green hydrogen. Local energy production by using solar panels or wind turbines seems absent but you have to keep in mind that Guatemala already has a very good track record for renewable energy (around 60%!) and that is mostly because of hydropower which is much cheaper to do as solar or wind turbines -if you have the right circumstances available: mountains, empty valleys, rivers. So - no - those solar panels will not come.
Looks like street vendors are excluded --that reduces safety. The streets look very underutilized in general. Needs more grenspace directly connected to buildings. They need bioswales, too. Lots of missed opportunities. It is attractively designed otherwise. The buildings have human scale and the maize touch was expert. The underground parking makes sense. It's nice to keep cars from overheating and fading...
@@b_uppy @ 1:25 there is a street vender. However its pretty and all brand new. Cant have the UGLY/OLD street vender carts as you don't want to ruin the atmosphere with poverty. LOL
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Im a Guatemalan and I am going to be honest.
Whoever is saying it’s a place only for the “ultra-rich” is either a liar or super salty.
Fact is everybody from middle-low class to the high class live and frequent the site. Admittedly Cayala does have some housing neitherby which is pretty much inaccesible for the average Guatemalan, but the comercial place is very accessible. Unless you are a beggar or homeless.
The most valid criticism is that the development was made on a forest. But it was a private land, so it’s really a matter of property rights.
De hecho era un terreno desolado sin muchos arboles. El core del bosque está en el barranco y sigue ahí. Aunque es cierto que ya han hecho un par de proyectos cerca que están destruyendo ese bosque pero estos proyectos no son parte como tal de cayala ni de sus desarrolladores. (Aunque su nombre tenga “cayala”) pero estos pasan desapercibidos por que todo el populismo y resentimiento cae solo en “ciudad cayala”
I'm a foreigner living in Guatemala and this is why I have always been confused about the outrage over Cayalá. Whenever I am there on the weekends, it seems to be full of everyday Guatemalans who want a safe place to hang out and walk around. I don't just see rich people walking around and I don't see too many foreigners like myself.
What about public transportation?
@@baha3alshamari152 I've seen a lot of buses picking people up and dropping them off.
Exactly!
Im Guatemalan, that place used to be the biggest forest in the city, is gone. What´s left it´s gonna disappear with the new expansion. Is basically a huge shopping center sorrounded by expensive houses and apartments, terrible traffic, no public transportation, it´s a nightmare for poor workers to get there. At night it´s full, but you can also see some drunk underage rich and middle income teenagers. It´s a lot of fun if you have money, just like everywhere else.
@@vinigomez598 No solo Cayalá, también las demás zonas y los asentamientos han Sido originalmente bosques, incluso hubo colinas que fueron consumidas para extraer material para la construcción. Técnicamente la casa dónde estamos en algún momento fue bosque, no es que sea asunto solo de Cayalá.
@@vinigomez598 I see it differently. Most developments on previously unbuilt land do impact plants. But, If you compare Cayala with basically any development in Guatemala, it did leave much more plants and built more beautiful parks and gardens. The site even includes a well kept ecological reserve. In other words, I find the comments unfair. Saying there were trees and other plants where you now have buildings, doesn’t mean they were irresponsible when compared with the standard, even more, when you compare it with other developments in Guatemala.
Maybe the government should learn from this and start improving its public spaces
@@bigzclipz5104 they should start taxing those people living in Cayalá then 🤣
lo peor es que es intencional, cayalá esta diseñada de esa manera para que la gente pobre no tengo acceso a ella
It look like a lived in outdoor movie set.
Because it mostly is, its just an outdoors mall for rich people
Not perfect, nothing is, but what's encouraging about this example is that it's simply a throwback to a time when cities were designed for people instead of cars. Turns out, humans are pretty good at building cities! One flaw I see is that they compromised with cars and made it an elite destination...it's private.
The Edenicity channel here on CZcams explains a lot of the "why" questions in this video...like "why is there no crime" and "why is it so quiet even with so many people?"
Same result
As a Guatemalan from Guatemala City I can tell you something, wealthy Guatemalans don't really live in Cayala. Perhaps a few, it's mostly foreigners.
You better watch out.
Most of them are not only foreigners, but infiltrators, agents, and scoundrels. Learn from the past. Learn from history.
Saludos desde 🇲🇽Kamarada
It's Disneyland. Disappointed with the scale of parking too. But it proves that great urbanism can still be built. And while highrises don't fit that particular esthetic, in big growing cities they should not be excluded. There are ways to make them work. Gated communities are a sign of societal failure. It's a high price to pay to support a system where the few have all the wealth.
Since they are on a hill, high rises should be avoided and built downwards, along the edge of the mountain / hill… use elevators & escalators to move people up / down
There are ways to do more urbanization, without losing the esthetic.
If the wealthy design it, it provides income to the other people who build & sustain it. The wealth is decentralized through such projects. People who work gain dignity. Crime decreases since everyone is a part of the solution.
and that’s true, in Guatemala there’s an incredible wealth gap between the middle class, the poor and the rich, Cayalá is made as it is to avoid poor people getting there, there’s no public transportation that takes you there, the only way to get there is a taxi or a personal vehicle, And the panorama is also very segregated, from one side you have a gated community with houses that vary from $2 million-$4 million and in front of it, a neighborhood that does not have even water and it’s mostly poor.
@@DavidHalko most people who live there are American immigrants, Guatemalan congressman who are probably accused and have ties with drug dealing and some Guatemalans that are part of the elite
@@DavidHalko Saludos, en ciudad Guatemala en los últimos cinco años se han construido más de 125 nuevos edificios más de cien para apartamentos y el resto para oficinas y clínicas médicas, en 2019 fue reconocida por segunda vez como la más verde de iberoamérica con sus más de 300 parques, es la ciudad más poblada, moderna y cosmopolita de centroamérica en la actualidad.
At 11:30 the video takes an interesting turn to see past all the glamour and beauty. Definitely worth a watch! Things get real!!!
CAYALÁ it’s a great project and a great destiny for this city!!!
Welcome to Guatemala 🇬🇹
It is really interesting to see what a truly modern city with good funding can be like. City planners now are plagued by the bones laid a century ago.
They just developed on what used to be a protected forest. With corruption to only build for rich people. This is not a viable urban planning
As a native Hoosier, I'm glad to see so many references to Indiana mentioned in this design.
Notre Dame & South Bend, IN are not far from my house. Go Fighting Irish!
What's behind you, what you named the edge of Cayalá, is indeed privately owned land, just like the land over which Cayalá was built in.
Even though it doesn't seem like a gated community, it is to a high degree. Only the Paseo Cayalá area, which is basically a big exterior mall, is open to the public from 11:00 am to 10:00 pm.
The reason it is a relatively safe place to hang out in comparison to other places, is because there is alot of private security and quick response assistance from the government police due to the political and economic influence the owners of the place have, and because of the touristic importance of the location.
It is a place worth visiting.
I understand the argument that it is not a real city, and it is true, urbanistically speaking it is more of a private neighborhood with semi-public spaces. However, I do not see it as something negative, it is true that it will not have the real dynamics of a city, due to the excessive control that a private development and administration has. It shows that at least in the aesthetic aspect and spatial distribution it can be developed as if it were something more natural and organic. Another developer and architects could have made a large closed mall with a couple of office towers, residences and a hotel, but they decided to give it a more human aspect and distribute those functions in small buildings in a set of many blocks and boulevards, plazas, and that is worth it. Trying to reincorporate the concept of mixed-use zoning and pedestrians.
I lived in Guatemala for a couple of years back a while ago.
Cayala represent something for the top 2% of Guatemala (my estimates) and Americans.
No average Guatemala family will go there and pay American prices for stuff they dont need.
It is like going to Disney World and saying it represents the USA
Not true, I’m middle class and i can aford that, many can aford it, there’s more than 10% of Guatemalan who can live there but majority prefer something outside of Guatemala City due to the heavy traffic, you probably went to the poor areas of Guatemala.
Where do you guys get this information? The misconception that only the rich people in Guatemala live there is absurd.
This is not true. I live in Guatemala City, and whenever I go to Cayalá on the weekends, I don't just see rich people there. I see a lot of Guatemalans walking around with their families and just trying to enjoy a safe space.
Zoning boards in the US don't allow for master-planned cities like this. Let the architects do their job!!!
Amen!
Where are the trees? In a place like Guatemala you would think a new development would incorporate tree cover to reduce temperatures. Those boulevards are wide enough to have trees down the middle or lining the sides.
There are mane trees in all the development but the construction is a bit recent so the trees havent grown yet.
dude... it's not 40 degrees in Guatemala hahahaha
Well, under the city is a huge parking garage, so big trees will be a big problem with their roots going into concrete. They have a large open park with trees and a lot of gardens, but that's the trade-off to keep cars out of the city.
Amazing Cayalà...........
So it's a huge gated community with a fancy lifestyle center attached. Disappointing, but what you'd expect. You should go see Cul de Sac in Phoenix too.
Not really. It's actually more like an open mall with the owners living nearby, IMO.
It not but maybe you should visit
It is exactly that, a gated city for the oligarchs. It doesn’t have a gate but they don’t need it when most people are brainwashed to adore the wealthy.
Saying its “gated” is disingenuous. The commercial part is super accessible. What it is gated are the residencial areas. Which if you’d dig you’d find almost every residencial space is gated.
@@danielcristianescobar8157 The commercial part of cayala is only accessible if you have a car, there’s no public transportation that takes you there, that’s a way to segregate the poor people from the rich
Not much noise either. They just go caya-te!
what do expect, Guatemala is like New York just don't go to towns like. Esquipulas , El Quiche but if you wanted the real experience then I said give them a try.
beautiful. Obviously designed for middle and upper class folks, and the security is probably a necessity if conditions are like Mexico City, where many families have bodyguards. Still, this is a huge step in the right direction of building better cities. I disagree about the high rises - some people love living in them and they are way more sustainable energy-wise (density).
Definitely agree! Huge step in the right direction
Definitely. High rises are the alternative to sprawl and are the only way to have walkable neighborhoods without the homes being tiny. High rises are only a bad idea in quake zones.
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High rises tend to do a lot worse than mid rises in terms of energy use per unit.
Tough this place seems to be on the low end for a city environment anyway.
Dang that drama got real quick😳
Beautiful City indeed. I wish you the best guatemalans. Keep building like this amazing zone in all over your country. I know you can do it! Best wishes!!
No wires! Love it.
The key to this magnificent construction is that the architects studied at Notre Dame. It is the dream of architects who want to preserve humanity and the art of architecture in urban planning is to study at Notre Dame. The place is beautiful.
5-9 stories is the standard in Paris - generally seen as a livable town.
feels like a big mall next door to gated communities, not a real city.
it's a disneyland for the ultra rich
Bingo!!! Glad someone saw through that mirage of "everybody is equal and welcome her" lol so fake.
Looks pretty, but is this sustainable? Looks like it was made for tourists.
If there is enough income to maintain it, it is sustainable… have to price the housing accordingly
It is sustainable but the government is too busy stealing money and doing illegal stuff
It is not, it is a private development. Their solid waste ends up in a landfill -where it's only a problem for the people that live near it- and it's wastewater ends up polluting the river nearby.
That's just my dear Guatemala's extreme inequality for you. Where poor people end up paying when the rich won't take responsibility.
@@user-fg5zh1ri7h Y lo peor de todo es que el ministerio público ha tenido más de 3000 casos relacionados al medio ambiente y la mayor parte de los han descartado, mi bella Guatemala, desigual para los nativos
@@nicelol5241temia que fuese algo así lo sospechaba pero quería darle el beneficio de la duda
Great senses, Ive lived both in Guatemala City and Los Ángeles and Cayala is like Rodeo Drive (and a smaller Westwood, UCLA type hood) but what also makes it exciting for us Guatemalans is that the concept is being copied (though to a smaller scale) in other areas in Guatemala like Rethalueu and Juan Gaviota in the Pacific, Rio Dulce in the Caribbean side and in the highlands and eastern mountains such as Xela, Huehue, Coban and Chiquimula. The high rises are not the best news but it also means more affordable housing to more middle and lower income Guatemalans (see Irvine and Rancho Santa Margarita developments in California) So Cayala its not an end in itself, it will never be perfect, can be improved and made more accessible to more people as time goes, which for middle income countries is already a win win. Loved your great vibes, enthusiasm and great knowledge about this subjets and sharing with us. Blessings and greetings! 🙏👋🩵🇬🇹
work trip. I need to go with you on the next one of these dang. Looks like a good trip
yeah man planning a few of these a year, you def need to come on a future one!
@@TwoBitDaVinci sounds good brother let me know when your headed my way, I will get the guest room ready for you guys ;)
Am I the only one who gets an ancient Rome vibe when looking at the bird's eye view of Cayala?
1000% agree. Its really something beautiful
Athens
It's a beautiful place, but it is very obviously for expats. The Guatemalans you see in the community are there to work for the owners. They are invited in to participate in the events and then they are essentially escorted out until they come back to work the next day. The average Guatemalan can't afford to live in the community, just work for those who do. And it is definitely a gated community. If you want to experience Guatemala, this is NOT the place to do it.
@@scan5837 It's not a gated community. Anybody can visit!
VIVA CHAPINS Y GUATEMALA!!!
@@Qanjob sii
So many hate comments for the people that can afford a nice place to leave , sure, every house/apartment you own should be crap for people to be happy
Still better than living in California.
I thought Guatemala and South and central Americans had contempt for colonial architecture, because well, colonization. I’d have no problem if it was just admitted that colonial architecture is appealing, civilized and works well. This looks like a clean Valencia Spain. Great video. Thanks
We could take it a step forward and acknowledge that what is labeled as “colonial architecture” : is found natively, on
all continents and is/was created by an earlier human civilization, that existed just until 1800.
And had global influence & now lost tools and techniques for creating masterful symmetry and proportion seen in all old stone buildings around the world.
Supporting this new understanding, besides old photographs, is the too quick to be true , unrealistic, construction times given (to all this intricate lasting beauty) in our basic school history.
The old story doesn’t add up.
But we’re surely living a new version of it, becoming aware of our true past.
Namaste 🙏
@@larkatmic south americans don't comtempt colonial architecture....
Most people do not give a shot. At the end of the day all that matters is effective and efficient architecture.
Yeah, we’re not resentful and have a short memory. Anyway, gotta take the good no matter where it comes from. It’s a big part of our culture
@@ipp_tutor Agreed. Honesty seems to be lacking many today. After all Colombia wasn’t named after coffee beans 😂
Loved the content and subject of the video! Great channel! :)
Hi Ricky. First and foremost, thank you for a well done research about Cayala. Just a little thing more to add up, Cayala is where the kids of the upper middle class Guatemalans live; as well as, 25 % international people. Furthermore, I have to agree with you about no Solar panels, but it's a reason why....(To preserve the look of the city)
Welcome! You seem to have visited Paseo Cayalá in Cuidad Cayalá. There are other neighboring "plazas" such as Cardales (where McDonalds is) and Varietá, and expanding like Nogales. The planning is insane
It looks very neat and impressive. There are a lot of good things about it. Too bad it's so small and doesn't have much space to expand. It's a bit like an island in the city. However, I hope other cities can take inspiration from this, by taking the best parts of it, and improving on it.
It's giving Celebration, Florida vibes
Make sure to visit Lake Atitlan if going to Guatemala.
This place was such a beautiful forest.
I'm disturbed by the fact that's it has become a sort of private gated city, but I don't have any issues with high rise apartments being built to make it a more efficient use of lane rather than them having to build out into a sprawl.
it's not a gated place. The mall part is open to anyone and everyone, the gated part is just where the people actually live, which is gated mainly for security reasons.
So I'm not really convinced that yet. Everywhere concrete, yes no cars is a good first step, but only the beginning on the way to Utopia
Hello everyone, Guatemalan here. Sadly, paseo Cayalá is not as much a city as it is a mall with a idillic european city aesthetic and luxury flats for the ultra rich. It has been controversial from the start
It cannot be a good example of city development because it is not a public space. It projects the illusion of a third space but it's not at all that. It's just an open mall where if you aren't a customer, you might as well be undesirable.
This isn't an achievement of public infrastructure and management, it just puts on the forefront the gaping inequality in which we live in Guatemala. You can actually take photos of the "la limonada" slum with Cayalá city in the background. It is environmentally unsustainable too, being developed in a formerly forested area of Guatemala City. Their solid wasta is also sent to the municipal landfill and most of it's wastewater ends in the rio Contreras.
So you are saying you rather live in poverty?
@@Rachel-ct3jc hello friend. No, I'd rather not live in poverty thank you. I'm just saying that the existence of Cayalá won't take anyone out of poverty
Interesting. I heard rumors that a "planned city" may be going up around Travis Air Force Base, someone bought a large number of acres.
I’ve heard as well
Look into how much of a city's 'public spaces' are actually private and you will start to see that you can apply the 'not what it seems' moniker to a lot of cities. London has huge spaces that seem public but are private corporations properties, from the obvious Canary Wharf to Battersea to all along both sides of the Thames, including around Tower Bridge that you wouldn't know was private land until you test the security.
Interesting take about sky scrapers. I would like to learn more about your opinion of them. Regardless, thank you for pointing out the Disneyland astroturfing here. It isn't to much to ask that they set aside 1/3 the residents to median household income and keeping the standard family housing. In mixed use sky scrapers or not.
Regardless parking and utilities beneath the neighborhood is slick and has tons of benefits. The absence of overhead lines is great to see. I would love to see that in our cities in the US.
Agreed on all counts!
For me the biggest catch is that it doesn't feel like a real European city as it was intended. Mostly because the lack of public transport, the big residential area that is closed to the public, but mainly the lack of mixed housing in the residential area with most of the buildings being just a facade with no apartments inside.
The primary difference here is between the government and the private sector.
What governments fail to accomplish the private sector is typically willing to take over and improve.
Some of the criticisms of this development seem legitimate, but it is a shame that anytime a new and innovative project is created, it is met with a wave of cynical, unrealistic, and nitpicking reactions. No, Cayala doesn’t solve all the deep-rooted problems of Guatemala and ‘ the Third World’, but I’m glad to see that Guatemala can have nice things, too. Economic and societal changes that would improve the lives of the poor in Guatemala are more critical than developments like Cayala, but that shouldn’t eliminate the possibility for good projects from going forward.
It seems like people equate knee jerk criticism with virtue and sophistication.
well said!
A much fairer and better representation of Cayala than @The Aesthetic City's video on the city.
Looks like a city within a city. Kind of like the suburb I live in, where they decided to build a city within the suburb. I'd like to move to the country. 😂
Another great city to look at is Carmel, Indiana. It’s considered one of the best cities in the US to live. The architects that designed Cayala are also out of Indiana.
right! ok I'll add it to my list! thanks for the heads up!
@@TwoBitDaVinci I tried to send a link, but I think CZcams removed it. Check out the short documentary “This is the Best Designed Suburb in America.” The city was developed using tax increment financing
I’ve looked into this before. It’s basically a lifestyle center surrounded by expensive housing around it. Only the towncenter is public. There’s no room for expansion so it was never meant to be a real city. The rich people in Guatemala just wanted a walkable safe area to live so they built this. 0/10 from me. Revamp the actual downtown areas and bring jobs and reduce corruption. Then you’re actually doing something good
xD. Yeah... the rich have places to walk that's not Cayala my guy hahahaa. If you ever actually go, you will see the people that go and spend their sundays there. Picnicking and just chilling with family
live in guatemala, here thinks private don't get build half way, and yes, they build fast and the standards are high since this country is in the ring of fire and quakes are usual, so they build things to stand the quakes;
that's awesome, yeah they have some major challenges and do some great work. I just loved my time there, cheers and thanks for reaching out!
I wish usa development put even a fraction of care, planning, thoughtfulness, and architecture into new developments. For a planned development this is quite remarkable
Acá en Costa Rica hay un lugar similar, llamado Las Catalinas. Se encuentra en Guanacaste
Muy bonito, la arquitectura es impresionante, bravo 👌 Guatemala 😊
The taller building being built is a great idea ... the density brings more tax and more people for the businesses and also potential for locations for mass transit stations out of city busses etc.
The skyscraper comment should be its own episode. With partnerships with some other scientist; social engineer, ecologist,biolist et... Might touch a nerve on the unresponsible reproducers in the world but do we want more and more people to be smooshed into smaller and smaller spaces? Or do we want to have more reasonable sustainable smaller secure communities? Whats the environmetal impact of a skyscraper does it really take up less space when you consider sewer waste and garbage waste that has to come out of the building and go somewhere else? And the energy it takes to run it how much land use is actually used on that? Not to mention the lack of unique culture in such places. Or is it the opposite if you get a good design it can be rich in culture and more sustainable? Of course the limiting factor will again probably be money so only the rich can afford a good skyscraper designed with wellbeing and unique culture of people in mind.
It is not a city. It is a shopping center. a very large mall. It is not urban development. It's just a real estate project. The real city does not see its problems solved with this type of projects. in fact it increases them: more traffic and less green areas. It's just a real estate bubble, many apartments are empty and many suspicious things happen in that place, meaning money laundering.
@@j.a.9074 how can a city without cars have a traffic problem?
@@hughporter2541Guatemala City has some of the worsts traffic problems in the world. Cayalá, doesn’t really have “roads” inside it because it’s a really small area. And despite taking care of their adjacent roads, there’s also heavy traffic around the area, specially in peak hours. I study in a university near Cayalá and I have to drive there daily.
@@hughporter2541 it's not a city, it's a shopping mall. and in fact there are many cars there, in an underground parking lot that covers the entire area.
Not sure where you guys are from, but here in NZ, we've had those 3 kinds of recycled bins for decades now. No car cities are fantastic, that's been the case for Melbourne city in Australia for years and why it often gets voted one of the top cities in the world.
that's amazing, we'll be coming next year and I can't wait! first time in the southern hemisphere
Charlottesville VA has a closed off street that became the heart of the city.
In the area where Cayala is built upon, it is very susceptible to droughts. It is theorized that they steal A LOT of water from the nearby colonies/housing areas through the municipality (the authorities that are in charge of taking care of the city) which is known to be very much so corrupt, leaving people without water.
Es muy bonito, que bien por Guatemala, saludos desde Nicaragua
You should check Condado Naranjo. An excellent integration of nature and urban planning. LEED Certified.
An “urbanist” city that’s only for rich people and tourists isn’t a real city-it’s a theme park. Urbanism that doesn’t include all classes of people just doesn’t interest me at all, they already had that under New Urbanism.
9:01 it’s really common in Guatemala to live in a gated neighborhood if you can afford it.
Perhaps the designer quit because he couldn't reconcile the polarised class-divide in Latin American countries with that in European ones, it's huge. The average Guatemalan family likely couldn't afford to eat there, let alone live there. Imagine believing you're building a city for a future, equitable society only to realise you're building a rich kids play park. He would have been better off re-developing existing cities with modern concepts to lift the middle-class in strategic areas.
Yes but the corrupt rich family was funding it. So he had no say. He thought they were going to bring lower classes in aka (he was lied to) thats why he quit. Imagine the whole time thinking you can bring lower classes in and uplift those that have less yet the whole time its going to be only for the uber wealthy.
Una ciudad futurista para la élite rica de Guatemala y el Mundo! Fascinante!
You mentioned the use of solar and a focus on EVs. I agree, but I think this would've been even more interesting if the homes and businesses were constructed with biomaterials, such as mass timber, strawbale, hemp, rammed earth, bamboo, etc.
Also, since you mentioned solar, and this is a planned development, I think the AC and hot water should be sourced from ground-source heat pumps.
Lovely video, very interesting.
Good job che,che you explain all en such little time exelente job
Interesting! You should make a part 2 comparing this project with the utopist urban projects of the late 19th century in England and North America (Garden Cities etc), including who they were intended to.
Saludos cordiales, este proyecto está dirigido hacia la clase media alta, un compañero de estudios que vendió agua en garrafones de casa en casa, su familia en los ochentas inició un negocio de fabricación de muebles, este creció mucho con los años y actualmente viven en este proyecto residencial, igualmente una prima que es profesional universitaria al igual que su pareja igualmente viven ahí.
It's a nice try, at least, but it has a Disneyland feel, inorganic and seems like a Lifestyle Center Mall 2.0. Probably not many Mom and Pop stores there, and just corporate giants renting storefronts or well connected families opening up bars/restaurants.
It’s simply a private resort villa made of mixed used buildings instead of residential top and commercial bottoms they just made arrangement horizontal, sort of like Disney downtown with condos next to it.
The failure is gating of the residential area. Prob more due to ego than security.
Luxury high rise buildings can benefit local communities as they take less footprint and can allow more traditional housing and mixed use buildings in the rest of the community. Local businesses can also benefit from the wealthier clientele brought in by the luxury apartments.
Another city development for rich ones, to bad we don't see new sustainable city developments for ordinary people around the world
Open public areas on safe, clean pedestrian streets sound good to me. Every city has its areas where people of different levels of wealth congregate. Cayala is no different.
Parece una ciudad del mediterráneo ❤muy hermoso
Cayalá es una residencial privada con un área semi pública con guardias vigilando que no te desvies de la zona permitida. No es una ciudad es una zona residencial privada con una calle peatonal convertida en un Centro Comercial al aire libre con comercio mayoritariamente de alta gama accesible solo para la clase media alta que representan menos del 10% de la población.
Thanks for taking a stand on the social justice implications of new developments like this.
I’m Guatemalan, y ahí los Mayan deberían ser los que manejaran los carros expensive de Guatemala y no los descendientes de los blancos
Great intro , I want to go here
Thank you for visiting Guatemala! 🇬🇹
Still waiting for the dark side, because all you did was blow sunshine the whole video. Even when you were pointing out the obvious gentrification. They must have paid for your flight and hotel.
Highrises equals more housing supply equals overall decrease in housing prices.
Quiero saber cuánto empieza el proyecto en el área de Cementos Progreso.
Great vid
Looks like beverly hills in Guatemala
Hay mucha demanda de ricos que quieren vivir en paz y privacidad ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ hermoso está de moda!
🙋♂️THANKS RICKY ,🤗FOR SHARING THIS …GREAT IDEA 💡…BUT 🥹 NO SOLAR …IS A SHAME 😢💚💚💚
Definitely
Design versus operations. Development based on corporatism principles. This is like any other subdivision where money is welcome in, but the people who are bringing that money are not welcome to stay & enjoy what their money pays for. As long as wealthy people want to live there & can decide what happens to their compounds, it will be fine. If the architecture is designed & built for passive sustainability, active electricity & efficiency measures can be added, but it’s not required for a marker of success IMHO.
"skyscraping is an immoral act" but gated communities are not? Cities like Tokyo, New York, Mexico City, depend on skyscrapers to lower the cost of housing since land is becoming increasingly limited. Los Angeles, is in the state that it is because of their reluctance to allow skyscrapers, or mid rise buildings throughout the city. Try to get some sense on reality.
I was just there. Depending on who you are you may or may not like it. It’s almost like a little piece of Las Vegas stuck in a corner of the city. There are people taking pictures of stuff walking around but it’s really just like a big outdoor mall w overpriced bars and restaurants that aren’t really that great. It definitely wasn’t for me
The only sustainable aspect of this project is the notion that people like to live there and that this will quite likely still be the case after fifty years. But beyond that, there's not much if anything. Despite the absence of cars in the street, the fact that they are all underground illustrates that the place was designated with car-dependency totally build-in. No public transport in sight, no bicycles, not even busses.
Construction is traditional and overly unsustainable: concrete and steel cause 10% of greenhouse gasses and they can ONLY be produced using fossil fuels, due to the need for extreme temperatures. Concrete and steel should be either replaced by sustainable materials (like wood which is abundantly available locally. How about supporting the local economy?) or produced in a sustainable way like with green hydrogen.
Local energy production by using solar panels or wind turbines seems absent but you have to keep in mind that Guatemala already has a very good track record for renewable energy (around 60%!) and that is mostly because of hydropower which is much cheaper to do as solar or wind turbines -if you have the right circumstances available: mountains, empty valleys, rivers. So - no - those solar panels will not come.
Corrección cayala no es un barrio o zona, es un centro comercial
Looks like street vendors are excluded --that reduces safety. The streets look very underutilized in general. Needs more grenspace directly connected to buildings. They need bioswales, too. Lots of missed opportunities.
It is attractively designed otherwise. The buildings have human scale and the maize touch was expert. The underground parking makes sense. It's nice to keep cars from overheating and fading...
No street vendor without licenses
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That's usually the case so why are there zero of them in the video?
@@b_uppy I think they only allow certain ones. Its a very pretentious place.
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Think they allow zero street vendors. They misunderstand where public safety comes from.
@@b_uppy @ 1:25 there is a street vender. However its pretty and all brand new. Cant have the UGLY/OLD street vender carts as you don't want to ruin the atmosphere with poverty. LOL
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