We enjoyed running into and getting to ride with you guys too. Sorry we ended up missing you guys at the last rest stop. We wanted one last cool down. I wanted to ask you, when you filmed Jerry's rear wheel, did you piece the film together or do you have a source for wide film? I hope we can ride together in the near future!
Gotta hand it to you, Steven. Riding that distance in those temps! My motor's governor simply closes in the heat. Above 85 degrees things just start slowing down.
I would like to think we get used to it but that never really happens. It would sure be great if you could (would) join us this year, we need fast riders for our pace line.
@@keylargo2761 So this is your chance, we have three riders so far. There will be Mark and his Quattro Velo but I'm not sure he will want to ride as slow as we will be going. You would be a welcome addition to the Odd Squad.
Wait for a faster DF to pass and tail him. A DF bike can drag you, but for a regular DF bike trying to tail a recumbent is like going without any cover at all. Looks FUN!
Absolutely, it is really fun to play with the DF riders. It is a great place to rest (in back of a DF paceline). Then blast past and dropping them is priceless!
My brother and a cousin lives in Houston, maybe someday if I am out there... I'll tote along my trike and ride with you guys. I see you ride in various places near Houston.
I made them. I have made a few sets over the years. One set I made from thin plastic sheeting used to make signs (bought from sign shop). The second set I found some old BMX wheel covers (much sturdier) those I covered with carbon sticky backed vinyl that you can get at an automotive store. I also did a set you may see on an even older video (red ones). I used heat shrink plastic film from a hobby store used to make RC plane wings. Those looked great but were tougher to work with and fragile when rocks and twigs hit them.
@@denniskowskie6748 Yes and with a trike you don’t need to worry much about cross wind. They make carbon ones for velomobiles and Greenspeed Aero. Even if they aren’t faster, they look good.
Without the need for carrying baggage, I would like to see how well I could keep up on a TRIOT trike. I won't be able to test ride one till March. Their higher seats look like more comfortable for riding, but how much speed will have been sacrificed for that higher profile?
@@BentJackson The TRIOT trikes, Terra Trike Rover, and the HP Velotechnik Scorpion FS Plus have higher seats. The Scorpion Plus has a seat 22 1/2 inches above the ground. Senior riders are interested in having a recreational ride and are not at all concerned with making time from point A to point B. And they sure do like being able to get down into the seat and back up out of it a whole lot easier. They have serious balance and/or strength issues.
That depends on many factors. Not all DF’s (diamond frame, road bikes are fast) not all recumbents are fast. That said with the same rider the recumbent will have a speed advantage due to aerodynamics over a standard upright bike. Typically the upright has an edge when climbing. The recumbent will be the easy winner in descending and of course comfort. Trikes even racing trikes will be slower because of weight and extra resistance from the third wheel than with a two wheel recumbent. An example is I have a Catrike 700 and I also ride a CruzBike Vendetta. The Vendetta is about 3 faster than when I ride my trike.
Great video, I'm in the Houston area too. I have a Catrike Trail and am looking at upgrading to a 700 for some upcoming charity rides I want to participate in. Is it comfortable enough for longer rides say 50-100 miles? I'm worried about the seat recline angle. TIA!
We should get together for a ride sometime. Personally I like the more reclined seat angle on the 700. I find it distributes my weight better. If you haven't check out Texas Recumbent Riders on Facebook.
Okay this is too funny! We our small local group of three (Tim and Steve Weins)I think you met Tim he had a Vortex but now has a VTX. We were deciding on how we were going to ride it, as a pace line or more casual like we did last year. One Idea was to invite some other fast riders to join us and I was thinking you would be perfect with the QV. I think it would be fun if Doug Davis came too. We, of course couldn't stay with you unless you were just coasting! Do you know about the Arkansas Senior Games in Sept? They are allowing velos to race in their own category. The three of us are going (riding our trikes).
Steven Jackson I’m not blazing fast on the QV, maybe avg 19-20 mph or so over 60 miles. With spurts to 25. What time are y’all getting to start? My number is 3376543474, text me and I’ll have your contact then.
@@BentJackson have you got wheel covers on your 700. a full set will give you at least 1mph on cruising speed. 3 uncovered wheels is alot of drag, and theres no downside from fitting front covers on a trike. a 700 looks fantastic with black wheel covers too
@@andy-the-gardener yes I have raced with wheel covers on both of my 700’s in the past. I chose nit to run them all the time because it is a hassle airing the tires. My first 700 had wheel covers and an 808 ZIPP rear wheel and with that it wasn’t nearly as fast as my Vendetta is.
@@BentJackson i have a challenge fujin lowracer and i dont think the 700 is as fast. i think at least 2mph slower than the fujin flat out. but the 700 is a better compromise and generally faster on real roads. it is still faster than road bikes on flats, up mild gradients, long straight downhills and into wind and not really too bad at climbing steeper hills considering its weight. someone did roll down tests comparing a 700 with a very aero road bike and the catrike proved to be much more aero. and its practical and easy to ride in all situations while the fujin is mainly a total nightmare and would be lethal in many places. it can safely and quickly deal with junctions and technical bits that totally confound the lowracer and make it pretty much unusable. its just so nippy and you feel it wants to go fast. i love riding it. give me a fast trike over a fast bike anytime
@@andy-the-gardener I love my trike also, it is a fun carefree ride. I agree about low racers. I had an M5 low racer and it was great in limited conditions but by no means for everyday conditions. My Vendetta is great in most conditions I normally ride but I need to pay attention to what I’m doing at all times. With the trike I can just relax and enjoy the ride.
Hello all, former cycling looking to come back and need info. looking at a cervelo s5 or I've vtx. YES I know they are apples an oranges so thats not in question. also I mean nooooo offense but im looking for input from posable cat 1/2 riders. a trike has an extra wheel of drag but is lower and flatter soooo if you have a solid cat 1/2 power plant would you be able to have the same level of club ride gear mashing fun???? I know a trike is not a sprint bike so thats off the table but say "bill" wants to jump of the front will you be able to get him with the same wats or around the same on a trike as with the cervelo or is that just out of the question? I don't mean to offend anyone its just that most info I come across is from older trike rider "age" or from some type of injury and im hopping to get a view from someone who can blow the watt meter out of the water lol. a lot of people say yes I keep up with a group ride and you see the picture or video and everyone is siting up so you know they are not at top heart rate. before I drop $$$$$$ im wanting to see if someone else has crossed this road and how it ended for them. Thank you for your time and input. Be well & stay safe.
Comparing a two wheel high end bike to a trike isn’t really fair. The two wheel will be faster in most situations. Fast trikes are fast but it takes more power to make the trike go as fast as the two wheels. As you said there is a third wheel and the extra weight of the wheel. If you were trying to decide between a conventional two wheel and a two wheel high racer recumbent it would make more sense. I have both, fast Catrike 700 and a CruzBike Vendetta. The Vendetta is faster than my trike but then it would also be faster than a conventional bike.
@@BentJackson good morning. yes I know its apples and oranges. but im looking for input. if you had a cervelo s5 and an ice vtx infant of you what would be the your choice for getting a group ride high and why?
@@seanmelvin5115 Sorry I don't understand what you are asking? I do group rides with my trike but with other trikes. I do group rides with my Vendetta and sometimes with diamond frame bikes but I have found that standard bike riders get a little nervous riding with recumbents. They are better after they get more used to them but I stay either in front of or at the back of any mixed group. A Cevelo compared to a VTX isn't apples to oranges, it's more like comparing an apple to a chair.
@@BentJackson im asking... since you know the experience of a DF and trike what would you personally recommend for someone that has no health issues but likes to be aggressive in group rides? "no trike groups in the area" I have in my life raced DF so I know the end but even a 30 min test ride on a trike will not tell me what its going to be like trying to hang with the a group on a group ride so im reaching out to those have the 2 and asking yes I know they are not the same but what do you enjoy more and why? hope that more clearly lets you know my view.
@@seanmelvin5115 I enjoy the trike for fun riding not having to always keep focused on every imperfection in the road. I live my two wheel recumbent for it’s speed in all conditions. Trikes are less enjoyable in a bunch of uprights, mainly because they are so low to the ground. When you are in a pack following another rider where you look to keep your distance changes radically with a trike. When in a group of uprights on a trike you can’t see over riders to your sides, it’s like driving a car with semi’s all around. From what you said about your riding style and experience, my thought is you should be comparing a standard bike to a recumbent high racer.
With the recent tragic death of James Dobson in Mississippi, I love seeing adequate spiral kite tails that are active and get the attention of drivers coming up from behind.
His death like with any cyclist was tragic! I don't personally think flags in most situations are of much help. Bright flashing tail lights and headlights are far more visible. That said, it doesn't hurt to have a flag too.
@@BentJackson There were alleged to have been four cars involved. I don't know if all four were coming up from behind him on a narrow lane without a bike lane or one or two were coming from the opposite direction. A first car swerved to miss him, but the second one didn't do the same and ran over and killed him almost instantly. Ed Miller makes a great canopy with two diagonal flag poles and one central one. Spiral kite tails are visually active and a bright flashing light as high as possible would have been so desirable.
@@StellarFella As I read about his accident I don't see how any amount of flags or flashing lights would have helped. It is unfortunate that so many drivers have no interest in paying attention to the task at hand, driving! After 40 plus years of riding I stay almost exclusively on trails now, with exception of organized rides.
@@BentJackson What sources have you read? Getting the attention of the first car ASAP was key there. Safety experts can analyze the circumstances and come up with recommendations for sure. It is a constant learning process.
@@StellarFella 40 plus years of riding and 15 of those on recumbents. Observing how well I see flags on friends trikes at different angles and weather conditions. I think flags are fine and some do help grab attention, some are really only good as decorations. There is nothing (in my opinion) that can get attention like a blindingly bright light in the daytime or anytime.
Great Meeting you and Tim......Thanks so much for the posting the video, really came out good, Its always more fun riding with a group of trikes!!!
We enjoyed running into and getting to ride with you guys too. Sorry we ended up missing you guys at the last rest stop. We wanted one last cool down.
I wanted to ask you, when you filmed Jerry's rear wheel, did you piece the film together or do you have a source for wide film?
I hope we can ride together in the near future!
Gotta hand it to you, Steven. Riding that distance in those temps! My motor's governor simply closes in the heat. Above 85 degrees things just start slowing down.
I would like to think we get used to it but that never really happens. It would sure be great if you could (would) join us this year, we need fast riders for our pace line.
@@BentJackson Great! I'd love to!!! Just find me a Quattrovelo, put in an a/c unit and I'll be golden! (Haha!)
@@BentJackson Seriously, if I haven't told you before, it is my dream to be part of a trike pace line of fast folks.
@@keylargo2761 The last time I visited Cycle Evaluation in Dallas, Doug had one with your name on it, I don't think it had A/c though.
@@keylargo2761 So this is your chance, we have three riders so far. There will be Mark and his Quattro Velo but I'm not sure he will want to ride as slow as we will be going. You would be a welcome addition to the Odd Squad.
Had it for over a year
Wait for a faster DF to pass and tail him. A DF bike can drag you, but for a regular DF bike trying to tail a recumbent is like going without any cover at all. Looks FUN!
Absolutely, it is really fun to play with the DF riders. It is a great place to rest (in back of a DF paceline). Then blast past and dropping them is priceless!
Looks like you had a great ride!
We did. It is one of my only t shirt rides I do.
My brother and a cousin lives in Houston, maybe someday if I am out there... I'll tote along my trike and ride with you guys. I see you ride in various places near Houston.
We ride everywhere fit to ride, lol. Let me know when you are going to be in the area and we can go for a spin. Where are you located?
I live and ride in southern California. check out my trike videos... we ride all over our local area too.
FYI - added your channel to my channels Featured list.. :-)
Nice job! Do you remember what the temps were?
Hey Palm, at the end of the video I indicated the high temp was 102. As I remember it was generally pretty nice until the last part of the ride.
I know this is an older video bur, where did you get the aero wheels. Thanks
I made them. I have made a few sets over the years. One set I made from thin plastic sheeting used to make signs (bought from sign shop). The second set I found some old BMX wheel covers (much sturdier) those I covered with carbon sticky backed vinyl that you can get at an automotive store. I also did a set you may see on an even older video (red ones). I used heat shrink plastic film from a hobby store used to make RC plane wings. Those looked great but were tougher to work with and fragile when rocks and twigs hit them.
I just found out that EZ Wheel will have them for my Spyder in 4 weeks. Do you believe they make you faster than bikes without them?
@@denniskowskie6748 Yes and with a trike you don’t need to worry much about cross wind. They make carbon ones for velomobiles and Greenspeed Aero. Even if they aren’t faster, they look good.
Do you have one of those oval chain rings up front? If so, how do you like it?
Yes It is a Twin Cam, I love it, I think it helps me with my power. I have also used Q-Rings and like these a little more.
Without the need for carrying baggage, I would like to see how well I could keep up on a TRIOT trike. I won't be able to test ride one till March. Their higher seats look like more comfortable for riding, but how much speed will have been sacrificed for that higher profile?
Higher seat angle will mean more wind resistance and slower cornering due to higher center of gravity.
@@BentJackson The TRIOT trikes, Terra Trike Rover, and the HP Velotechnik Scorpion FS Plus have higher seats. The Scorpion Plus has a seat 22 1/2 inches above the ground. Senior riders are interested in having a recreational ride and are not at all concerned with making time from point A to point B. And they sure do like being able to get down into the seat and back up out of it a whole lot easier. They have serious balance and/or strength issues.
Hello, can I ask aquestion.
Who's faster? to an ordinary person. Recumbent or road bike
That depends on many factors. Not all DF’s (diamond frame, road bikes are fast) not all recumbents are fast. That said with the same rider the recumbent will have a speed advantage due to aerodynamics over a standard upright bike. Typically the upright has an edge when climbing. The recumbent will be the easy winner in descending and of course comfort. Trikes even racing trikes will be slower because of weight and extra resistance from the third wheel than with a two wheel recumbent. An example is I have a Catrike 700 and I also ride a CruzBike Vendetta. The Vendetta is about 3 faster than when I ride my trike.
Great video, I'm in the Houston area too. I have a Catrike Trail and am looking at upgrading to a 700 for some upcoming charity rides I want to participate in. Is it comfortable enough for longer rides say 50-100 miles? I'm worried about the seat recline angle. TIA!
We should get together for a ride sometime. Personally I like the more reclined seat angle on the 700. I find it distributes my weight better. If you haven't check out Texas Recumbent Riders on Facebook.
Steven Jackson sounds like a plan , I’ll check out the link. Thanks!
Steven, are you doing KFL again for 2019?....I'm bringing the Velo (QV) from lafayette, La.
Okay this is too funny! We our small local group of three (Tim and Steve Weins)I think you met Tim he had a Vortex but now has a VTX. We were deciding on how we were going to ride it, as a pace line or more casual like we did last year. One Idea was to invite some other fast riders to join us and I was thinking you would be perfect with the QV. I think it would be fun if Doug Davis came too. We, of course couldn't stay with you unless you were just coasting! Do you know about the Arkansas Senior Games in Sept? They are allowing velos to race in their own category. The three of us are going (riding our trikes).
Steven Jackson
I’m not blazing fast on the QV, maybe avg 19-20 mph or so over 60 miles. With spurts to 25. What time are y’all getting to start? My number is 3376543474, text me and I’ll have your contact then.
Way to Go....looks like the road bikes dont stand a chance !!!
I wish that were the case but I'm afraid there are still plenty of them that can take us on.
@@BentJackson have you got wheel covers on your 700. a full set will give you at least 1mph on cruising speed. 3 uncovered wheels is alot of drag, and theres no downside from fitting front covers on a trike. a 700 looks fantastic with black wheel covers too
@@andy-the-gardener yes I have raced with wheel covers on both of my 700’s in the past. I chose nit to run them all the time because it is a hassle airing the tires. My first 700 had wheel covers and an 808 ZIPP rear wheel and with that it wasn’t nearly as fast as my Vendetta is.
@@BentJackson i have a challenge fujin lowracer and i dont think the 700 is as fast. i think at least 2mph slower than the fujin flat out. but the 700 is a better compromise and generally faster on real roads. it is still faster than road bikes on flats, up mild gradients, long straight downhills and into wind and not really too bad at climbing steeper hills considering its weight. someone did roll down tests comparing a 700 with a very aero road bike and the catrike proved to be much more aero. and its practical and easy to ride in all situations while the fujin is mainly a total nightmare and would be lethal in many places. it can safely and quickly deal with junctions and technical bits that totally confound the lowracer and make it pretty much unusable. its just so nippy and you feel it wants to go fast. i love riding it. give me a fast trike over a fast bike anytime
@@andy-the-gardener I love my trike also, it is a fun carefree ride. I agree about low racers. I had an M5 low racer and it was great in limited conditions but by no means for everyday conditions. My Vendetta is great in most conditions I normally ride but I need to pay attention to what I’m doing at all times. With the trike I can just relax and enjoy the ride.
Hello all, former cycling looking to come back and need info. looking at a cervelo s5 or I've vtx. YES I know they are apples an oranges so thats not in question. also I mean nooooo offense but im looking for input from posable cat 1/2 riders. a trike has an extra wheel of drag but is lower and flatter soooo if you have a solid cat 1/2 power plant would you be able to have the same level of club ride gear mashing fun???? I know a trike is not a sprint bike so thats off the table but say "bill" wants to jump of the front will you be able to get him with the same wats or around the same on a trike as with the cervelo or is that just out of the question? I don't mean to offend anyone its just that most info I come across is from older trike rider "age" or from some type of injury and im hopping to get a view from someone who can blow the watt meter out of the water lol. a lot of people say yes I keep up with a group ride and you see the picture or video and everyone is siting up so you know they are not at top heart rate. before I drop $$$$$$ im wanting to see if someone else has crossed this road and how it ended for them. Thank you for your time and input. Be well & stay safe.
Comparing a two wheel high end bike to a trike isn’t really fair. The two wheel will be faster in most situations. Fast trikes are fast but it takes more power to make the trike go as fast as the two wheels. As you said there is a third wheel and the extra weight of the wheel. If you were trying to decide between a conventional two wheel and a two wheel high racer recumbent it would make more sense. I have both, fast Catrike 700 and a CruzBike Vendetta. The Vendetta is faster than my trike but then it would also be faster than a conventional bike.
@@BentJackson good morning. yes I know its apples and oranges. but im looking for input. if you had a cervelo s5 and an ice vtx infant of you what would be the your choice for getting a group ride high and why?
@@seanmelvin5115 Sorry I don't understand what you are asking? I do group rides with my trike but with other trikes. I do group rides with my Vendetta and sometimes with diamond frame bikes but I have found that standard bike riders get a little nervous riding with recumbents. They are better after they get more used to them but I stay either in front of or at the back of any mixed group. A Cevelo compared to a VTX isn't apples to oranges, it's more like comparing an apple to a chair.
@@BentJackson im asking... since you know the experience of a DF and trike what would you personally recommend for someone that has no health issues but likes to be aggressive in group rides? "no trike groups in the area" I have in my life raced DF so I know the end but even a 30 min test ride on a trike will not tell me what its going to be like trying to hang with the a group on a group ride so im reaching out to those have the 2 and asking yes I know they are not the same but what do you enjoy more and why? hope that more clearly lets you know my view.
@@seanmelvin5115 I enjoy the trike for fun riding not having to always keep focused on every imperfection in the road. I live my two wheel recumbent for it’s speed in all conditions. Trikes are less enjoyable in a bunch of uprights, mainly because they are so low to the ground. When you are in a pack following another rider where you look to keep your distance changes radically with a trike. When in a group of uprights on a trike you can’t see over riders to your sides, it’s like driving a car with semi’s all around. From what you said about your riding style and experience, my thought is you should be comparing a standard bike to a recumbent high racer.
With the recent tragic death of James Dobson in Mississippi, I love seeing adequate spiral kite tails that are active and get the attention of drivers coming up from behind.
His death like with any cyclist was tragic! I don't personally think flags in most situations are of much help. Bright flashing tail lights and headlights are far more visible. That said, it doesn't hurt to have a flag too.
@@BentJackson There were alleged to have been four cars involved. I don't know if all four were coming up from behind him on a narrow lane without a bike lane or one or two were coming from the opposite direction. A first car swerved to miss him, but the second one didn't do the same and ran over and killed him almost instantly. Ed Miller makes a great canopy with two diagonal flag poles and one central one. Spiral kite tails are visually active and a bright flashing light as high as possible would have been so desirable.
@@StellarFella As I read about his accident I don't see how any amount of flags or flashing lights would have helped. It is unfortunate that so many drivers have no interest in paying attention to the task at hand, driving! After 40 plus years of riding I stay almost exclusively on trails now, with exception of organized rides.
@@BentJackson What sources have you read? Getting the attention of the first car ASAP was key there. Safety experts can analyze the circumstances and come up with recommendations for sure. It is a constant learning process.
@@StellarFella 40 plus years of riding and 15 of those on recumbents. Observing how well I see flags on friends trikes at different angles and weather conditions. I think flags are fine and some do help grab attention, some are really only good as decorations. There is nothing (in my opinion) that can get attention like a blindingly bright light in the daytime or anytime.