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I remember mithril silver being pretty transparent and watery. Boltgun metal was more opaque. Chainmail armor was gloopy as heck, but I guess that was just my pot. As you said, batches were probably pretty inconsistent, so I guess we remember different things because we did experience different things. My goblin green definitely had that hint of white of the original one, unlike the Warcolors one. Gracias por hacerme recordar todo esto ❤
I came to say this, but in my heart I knew it had already been said. This range looks amazing, but I’m not sure I can justify this… unless the old world tempts me
My old bolt gun metal was always pretty *thick* and somehow separated a lot as well. Sometimes I would buy a brass colour and it was completely unusable and sort of jelly like. (The moral of the story is that metalics were awful)
Try out the Sunburst Yellow - I remember it needing 35-40 coats for decent coverage. 😂 Edit: Mithril Silver over white was always super transparent from my memory. I remember preferring Boltgun Metal.
@JuanHidalgo Miniatures - an interesting bit of background: Coat D’Arms is made by the original manufacturer of GW’s 88/94 paint lines (HMG Paints), and is basically a rebranding of the ‘94 range (albeit many people think it’s watered down). Privateer Press’ P3 Paints are also made by HMG, and were designed by Mike McVey, who oversaw the ‘94 redesign of the GW paints. Allegedly, P3 uses liquid pigments and gel medium to facilitate wet blending. I’ve compared P3 to Coat D’Arms, and it really looks like P3 is essentially a modified GW ‘94 line (minus the 20 or so newer paints P3 added over the last 5 years or so). Foundry Paints is also made by HMG. It’s a triad system and not directly based on GW afaik, but Foundry is owned by ex-GW and I wouldn’t be surprised if the 88 and/or 94 range was essentially hidden inside it. TL;DR - a retro focused review of the above paint ranges alongside Warcolours’ Nostalgia 88 and 94 ranges would be really interesting to see the sorta mini-legacy of 90s GW and a single paint manufacturer across multiple paint ranges.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures I wanted to also add that I really loved your point in this review about the “purpose” of the nostalgia paint range and how it doesn’t try to be perfect or cutting edge of modern paint design. Plus it seemed really obviously how genuinely you enjoyed being reminded of your first paints. I started in ‘93 or ‘94, so that 90s Citadel range remains my favorite. I used to own the full Coat D’Arms range, but when I realized that there seems to be a nearly 1:1 parallel between it and P3 (for example, P3 Rucksack Tan appears to be its Snakebite equivalent), I switched to P3 as that was easier to find here in the US. I currently primarily use the Nostalgia 88 and P3 ranges as my primary paints, and will be adding the Nostalgia 94 line. I do use a few others, like some Pro Acryl and for my money nothing beat Kimera Kolors The White, but it’s been really satisfying and fun to find my old paints again, so to speak. At this point, all I’m missing are paint brushes with the hand-feel of those old red handled Citadel brushes. I know they weren’t super special either compared to what’s out there now, but I have a similar soft spot for them too.
Thanks! I appreciate that. That was the only way reviewing these paints in a fair way because objectively they are not good paints BUT they shouldn't be, they have to be what they are, no more no less and they deliver in spades
I remember mithril being thin, boltgun being thicker. Sunburst was by far the thinnest and hardest to work with :) Just looking through an old colour chart, it's Liche Purple and Hawk Turquoise that I get the nostalgia hit from.
I was tempted to get some of these and other similar throw back colours I've seen that match the 2000s paints too. Then paint some nostalgia minis. We need a Juan nostalgia series now !!
Interesting review there. I couldn't get on with Citadel paints; far too shiny for my liking when they dried. I actually mentioned this dislike to the great Blanchitsu back in the early 90s when I was a teen at a GW factory open day in Nottingham, his response was interesting he said 'add some talcum powder to the paint' to matte it down. I didn't try his suggestion, wasn't sure if he was joking or not. I faithfully stuck with my Ral Partha paints which were matte but chalky; would love to see a Ral Partha Nostalgia paint line - still got the whole line of theirs safely stored in dropper bottles.
I think what makes a good paint line is how much you actually enjoy using it. Some paints, I just struggle with, but others are a dream and lots of fun.
Those look so much like I remember them! That Mithril silver matches exactly my memory of it. Thin, watery and hard to apply in the right places. There a couple of colours that I really look forward to. Particularly the crimson gore :D
I am definitely a fan of these as someone newer in the hobby these are honestly a great way to connect with the past, and I agree what makes them good is that they do what they say in the box they're nostalgic and meant to remind you of the earlier days in the hobby. That marker is genius!!
I've been painting since the 1980s and remember the original line and the 90s lines and have paints from both including my father's original sets from 1988. There were quite a lot of changes over the years that makes matching the original paints a challenge. You are right than mithril silver was thick and actually quite gummy. The medium then had a lot of vinyl in it and it separated quickly and dried very quickly making dry brushing over black the preferred method of painting metallics, especially thick were the 1980s line which came in the magical round pots. By the early 1990s they started using hex pots as you showed and by the mid 1990s they started using a twist tops with a hard plastic pot and then changed the lid to a flip top. Tthe hard plastic pots were paints made in france. The paint quality was very good but the paints dried out quickly because of the inferior pots and the flip top helped with that. Of course now gamesworkshop has their own unique pot with semi-clear lid, but a few companies still use the classic pots and everyone should. In those kinds of pots the paints will literally last forever if taken care of correctly. The pots are enchanted for this effect. The warcolours classic '88 line matches the metallic colors closer than anything I've tried, but they are thinner and more suited to wet blending and probably better for painters today, but they feel different than the originals because the medium is different. The rest of their colours are very close, but not exact matches for the original colours. Again there's a reason why a colour match is difficult. The earliest versions of goblin green were a bit olive drab, the later version more neutral, and by the mid 90s they were the color of chromium oxide green and used a very pure vibrant green probably made from pthalo-green pigment. There were also three versions of enchanted blue. The first generation was an iron-blue (prussian blue) with white added for opacity and brightness, to this more white was added to make the earliest electric blue a lighter version of the same color, both were opaque, the second generation was semi-transparent and had a hazardous chemical in it probably to increase flow and prevent clumping but came in hex pots and was richer without much white or any added it was the color of phthalo blue so that's probably the pigment used, then there was the mid 90s hard plastic pot version which was very plastic in it's finish and probably used the same pigment as it had a strong dying effect and it's current match is citadel/gamesworkshop's caledor sky. There was also a colour called moody blue which was a darker version of enchanted blue without white added in the first generation line. It was very powerful, rich, dark, moody, and largely transparent. It was discontinued for some reason. The titillating pink from the 88 era has never been replicated by any manufacturer though warcolours tried. Their base colour is very close but the original had a yellow fluorescent overtone probably from a later banned chemical used in highlighters according to legend. The first generation hobgoblin orange was not a bright orange but rather a slightly dull orange sienna. The earliest blood red was not a warm red but rather a scarlet, but this later changed and blood red became their warmer primary red. Originally the warmer red was called red gore. This change happened pretty early from what I can tell. Worm purple has never been replicated correctly by anyone, though the warcolour version is good it's not the same. It likely used a pigment only now commonly used in the car industry in high temperature applications if my research and guesswork is right, but it can be mixed fairly well from modern paints if you know the secret recipe. The earliest version of bestial brown has also never been matched. It's got an overtone missing from modern browns. If I were to guess I'd say the same sienna used to make the earliest version of hobgoblin was added to burnt umber to make it more opaque. But there was a later version of bestial brown from the mid 1990s that was also very good. The closet matches one to one out there for the old paints comes from a company called Coat D'Arms, but the naming changes cause confusion. For example their enchanted blue is actually a blue metallic, a nice paint in its own right, but the correct replacement for enchanted blue in their line is called Light Blue and Bavarian Blue is also very close, but slightly different. I happen to love warcolours classic '88 line. Their reds are amazing. I also love that the come in the classic round pots that last forever. That marker is a great idea. It would be great to have an artist line of markers with matching colors for each of the classic colours.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures No problem. Your thumbnail is pretty amazing too. That's exactly how the 90s looked and sounded. You got the style just right. Everything had those neon color geometric patterns. And I dressed pretty similar to that. My mother sewed my brother and I a full wardrobe of shirts and shorts from those kinds of prints so we were always looking crisp, fresh, and jazzy and we'd never be caught slacking off.
These paints look a lot of fun and reminds me just how good the Golden Demon winners were back then considering the paints we had. I'm definitely going to dust off the old ones I still have and take a trip down memory lane. Psych!
I still have half these paints and am pretty sure mithril silver behaved just like that, especially over white. The Nostalgia one looked like it covered better than I remember!
i not only remember mithril silver being really transparent, i still have a pot of it and its still really transparent 😆. not to be confused with boltgun metal of course which had really good coverage, i loved boltgun metal but i really didnt like mithril becaus eit was just rly watery and transparent, at least the batches i seemed to get. i started painting when the pots were round but the silver i have atm is a hexagon pot with the black lid i believe which were the next generation.
I still have a nearly full pot of snakebite and Liche purple and they’re excellent. The one I’m most anticipating is warlock purple. That’s rarer than gold dust to get and my pots almost finished. Thanks for the review!
My old Gobbo green, bronzed flesh Flesh wash and Enchanted blue are still alive and kicking. All the others turned to unrecoverable paint bricks......apart from the sunburst (which turned to a milky water) and mithril silver (which turned to a mica blue-tac). Nice to see these colours again.
@JuanHidalgo Miniatures honestly. Ruined two brushes trying to revive the pot with a little cocktail of acrylic medium and flow improver. Didn't thjnk my wife would appreciate me trying to hold up posters with the result so didn't properly test the adhesion properties :-D
Love this review video Juan. I had all the Citadel paints prior to these ones (the flip top, cylinder pots) and they seemed ok back in the late 80's/early 90's. The most important thing is 'DO THEY SMELL LIKE THE OLD PAINTS?' they need to smell like the old paints...I miss the old paint smell :D
As others have said Mithril Silver was always super thin. As I understand it, it wasn't meant (or wasn't used) to paint a base layer (especially over white). It was especially used as a dry brush technique over black, which then gave a good metal-like finish.
Wow takes me back to being 12/14 again! I have an old hex pot of mithril silver I still use, from probably 25 years ago! Completely usable and hasn’t dried at all, can’t say that about most paints these days. Pot I have covers well, the silver in your video looks more like stormhost silver in terms of coverage I’d say? Great vid!
My favorite rediscovery is an old pot of Citadel Warlock Purple. Zero coverage which was a pain back in the day. I use it as a filter for red tones nowadays.
I still mainly use old citadel paints and all mine are different to yours! The silver is and was gloriously thick and the snakebite leather in my collection (1 and 1/2 bottles remaining) are far lighter. I love these old paints!
I still have a lot of these older paints. Some still sealed. It is crazy to me how many have lasted 20+ years. I also have some glazes and washes as well...great vid. Thank you.
Hi Juan, great video. A quick look through my collections I have these colours and many more unopened and still liquid. Mithril silver is very runny, boltgun metal is opaque.
Still have some Goblin Green and some Enchanted Blue. Not opened. I keep them as some relics of the Dark Ages. I finished the Mithril Silver I had because it was covering better than the stuff GW produed after that.
Thanks for making me feel even older than I feel 30 years! I still have my snakebite leather and its still good, a testament to the paint that GW didnt make... :-)
The nineties... ❤ I must have these and see what I can do now About mithril silver, I *think* that the opaque one came with the black-capped hexagonal bottles.
So watching other videos on the old paint set, I noticed that those old painting guides that came in box had you base coat the metal bits black. My guess is that, yes Mithril silver was intended, very thin. As a black base coat would hide the fact it was thin, making it look like a thicker silver pigment paint.
Actual, vintage correct Goblin Green in a dropper bottle. What a day! What a lovely day! That base rim marker is a really cool idea! Painting base rims is a bit of a tedious and boring process. It's one of those crucial finishing touches though. Makes a model go from a work in progress to a finished work. How do these paints stack up to Coat D'Arms paints? As I understand it those aren't just a reproduction of the old school Citadel paints, they are the old school Citadel range. Not in droppers though. Warcolours instantly have a leg up there. And I respect it being a full one-man production.
Ah. I have a question about the humbrols. Do you remember if there was a bright florescent like pink paint by humbrol? I have a theory as to where titillating pink came from.
@@jeremiahembs5343 I can't remember using that color in enamels back in the day. I remember having bought fluorescent orange, green and yellow Humbrol in the mid eighties more as a novelty but that kind of vivid pink hue (as well as the green one) were definitely new colors to me when i got the first citadel acrylics sets. They came in a cardboard box and were unlabeled, in the same plastic pots Coat o'Arms uses. I guess you could find that color at the time in Liquitex acrylic thick medium, but these were insanely expensive back then and few art stores carried that american brand as import.
Mithril silver was always super thin, i found bolt gun and chainmail much better. Snakebite was the bomb as a colour as well as liche purple, warlock crimson, hawk turquoise and salamanders black. i still have my skaven brown wash and the ork green wash from the 'expert' set. i also used the green and purple metallic a lot. if go fasta red comes back he will have to see if he can program it spill, as everyone i know had theirs spill. and if tinbitz can dry up 5 minutes after opening as well :)
I started in about '91, with the previous generation to the hex pots - the ones Coat d'Arms imitated/reproduced/whatever. Then moved on to the hex pots, then the horrific screw-cap ones that dried out in days... the best day of my mini-painting life was when I discovered a little scale modelling shop tucked away in the town I grew up in that sold Vallejo Model Colour! There were about five paints in the Citadel range from the 90s that could hold a candle to VMC. The only ones I'd never give up from the Citadel range were all the weird colours that would never be useful for military modellers - bilious green and titillating pink and tin bitz and so on. (And I also remember mithril silver being unusably thin, boltgun metal covering properly, and chainmail being somewhere between the two. I guess it was something to do with whatever they used to tint the paint darker as tin bitz - darker even still than boltgun metal - had the opposite problem and was often far too thick and dried on the brush!)
@@razbloodalpha4982 I appreciate the heads-up, but with the exception of the ever-chunky tin bitz I still have the originals - I mostly paint in a more muted style these days so I don't get to use such luminous colours on every project! Most of the Citadel paint generations between then and now have dried up and died long ago, but the good old rubberised-lid pots from the early 90s are still going strong.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures VMC is still the mainstay of my paint collection, to be honest - I like contrasts and Warcolours' Antithesis translucents well enough, I have a couple of Kimera bottles (who seem to make the only black that isn't incredibly glossy!), but they're still broadly my favourite. And going back to them after watching this video I was reminded of how good we have it these days!
question: how about we also make a brush line with the handle in RED and white lettering, exactly like the brushes of the time!!! is this something you would be interested in guys????
I still have bottles of flesh/armour/blue wash and they are all so saturated that would almost pass as an ink today. I've also been rationing a pot of Dwarf Bronze and if they can match that I will be first in line. Glad to be aware of this.
I have considered them but I’ll stick with Vallejo, there’s enough good stuff in their range to sate my need for 90’s paint jobs. I’m glad these paints are out though, they really tick the nostalgia box.
I probably won’t get these because I don’t have the same nostalgia, but I really loved watching how happy you were and how much fun you had using them 😊
Remember those lying Eavy Metal swine on the back of the multipart Tactical Marines box? Ultramarines Blue, Blood Red, Bad Moon Yellow (even worse than Sunburst), Snakebite Leather, Boltgun Metal, Goblin Green; done!
Hmm.. lets go back to the start, I still have Orc Brown, Spear Staff Yellow and just recently found eight bottles of wash/inks they produced. I do remember with fondness Hobgobolin Orange.
I still have many of the original paints, and the last time that I checked many of them (including Mithril Silver) were still wet. Should I try it? Oh, and painting base rims is the best thing about painting! You maniac.
I remember Mithril Silver being more transparent than Chainmail. This was a fun video, thanks for bringing back memories of pairing my early Brettonians and Lizardmen!
I recall Mithril Silver pretty well as I had a high elves army 😂 And yes, it was pretty transparent! I found some old silver helms the other day, and I had based the metal parts black and then added silver on top, and 12 year old me figured one coat should be enough, so it is patchy as all get out.
The mithral silver must have been very thick, I say this because I clearly remember everyone over applying it, making every soldier looking like they had latex weapons. I don't think most people used two coats back then.
That's correct Sheep Wave Me Bye Bye. As you and warcolourspaints said proper technique then was black first, then dry brush metallic over it. The metallics dried quickly, so quickly in fact you have to IMMEDIATELY wash your brush after every stroke and dab again on paper towels before doing it again. You might think that you could just keep them moist with water, but that broke the metallic paint and caused the flakes of metal to go into the recesses of the model which ruined the effect because the recesses would be light and the highlights dark. The proper technique of drybrushing over black was specifically invented for doing chainmaile to pick out the raised areas, but it worked well on armor and swords too because the weapon would look a bit battle damaged and not so garish and the black undercolor looked more like the monster was in a dark environment like a dungeon or cave. Now because modern paints flows better and stay wet longer the proper technique is to coat with metallic and then wash with black or maybe a rusty color and then use black and then maybe highlight with a brighter metallic or with a metallic mixed with white or with white or offwhite first to create an edge highlight and then glaze on a metallic over that which will be backlit by the white. But I still do it the old way most of the time and use my older metallics to do it since they are chunkier and work better for it.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures they are I gotta get the Horus heresy set those old boys are so old now and I need too repair some . They’ve earned a rest but i do love the scheme and the nuclear explosion marks
I remember a few of them being super thin and from memory Mithril Silver was one of them. They look cool though, might pick up a goblin green for the bases on my inevitable old world empire army.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures 88 paints are THE struggle honestly. I not from that era personally but I used the original paints, acrylics were in their infancy time and everything was very crude.
Oh yeah, these are a bit better but not much. But that's the point really, I can get amazing paints now if I want very easily, the chemistry of Acrylic paints it's a its absolute peak right now. These paints do something different, they are a time capsule, not everyone will want to take it, but a lot of people do want. At least they are doing something different
I can't really speak for the 94 paints as real life had turned up by that time, but I think it was the same mythril silver as was released in the 80s which I did have But I was still painting in 93 (ironically a lot of stuff for the local GW shop) and the bright silver was still awful (had to go on over chainmail to get any depth, even over black it was better than going on over silver.) You could look at the Warcolours 88 set for the original releases (though I had my original 18 citadel paints around 1985 so I don't know why they call them Nostalgia 88) Personally I love my regular Warcolours paints (apart from the metallics) and although I have adopted the Monument paints I still break out the Warcolours when I need something with a bit of natural transparency You could also look at the Cote de Arms range as they were the people who made the original Citadel paints and they still produce them.
Hey Mr. Juan, otro vídeo genial, este me ha hecho sonreir más que de costumbre. Yo no recuerdo haber tenido ese plateado en particular, pero si tenía el de citadel de desenroscar llamado "Chainmail", que era justamente un color similar a ese plateado pero más oscurito. ¿Podría ser que estuvieras mezclando las memorias entre ambos? Un saludo y gracias como siempre por tu canal, y ese humor absurdo tan característico, es genial xD
Marker and this paint are REALLY GREAT!! And what cool too - other Warcolour paints have a simple gradation by transparency system. Minimalistic and informative :3 Ah and Warcolour have a light label on dark paints and dark on light paints
What a great review. I remember mithril silver being damn hard to use to archive a good coverage. I’d never buy a set of paints for nostalgia, i hated that old paints sooooo much 😂. Old minis for nostalgia, yes, old paints, no thanks!
Aún tengo algunas de esas pinturas originales, incluido el Mithril Silver... Algunas estarán secas, otras las he usado no hace mucho... Incluso la caja de cartón original, en la que guardo alguna mini de la época...
Yeah, Mithril Silver was always horrible over white. It was pretty washy over black too. Always used to use Chainmail and then highlight with Mithril Silver - Get a lot of nostalgic feels from this range, but that is a two edged sword as I also remember them being a real pain in the arse to use back then. Good fun project though 🙂
Sorry if this is off topic, BUT When can we expect to get more information on the expansion of the vallejo xpress color line? I was finally able to pick up the first 23 colors a few weeks ago and i really like them. However, the lack of neutral Grays, a black black, and more browns and skin tones is limiting me. I was hoping to hear about the next batch of colors by now.
I hated the old 90's paints, they were like painting with wishful thinking, the idea of going back to those days fills me with terror. The Citadel paints that I miss are the Foundation paints, those were amazing.
Not interested in the nostalgia paint, but a LOT on the pen for the base rim. There is a link for this amazing product? I searched a bit in their store but no luck at all
I had the older color box set in the original pots, still have and use them all, except the metallic, it was terrible came all chunky and just never worked.
You can actually smooth them out if you know how, but I prefer mine chunky. Throw two or three rust free mixer balls in the metallic pots so they bang against each other, add one drop of distilled water, tape on the lid and shake the crap out of it with a nail polish shaker to break it up and turn it smooth again. If they haven't hardened you can whip them into a smooth finish better than new. Usually the gold or brass go bad to a point they get rock hard, but in some rare case can be entirely restored, but the silvers are easy to fix. If you can fix a gold or brass from the era it's worth it's weight in... gold I guess. Very rare. So rare it should analyzed for its formula by warcolours I would think. You have a treasure in your old collection. It's a chemical time machine. A lot of fake sets now. It's very rare to have a known authentic set.
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I remember mithril silver being pretty transparent and watery. Boltgun metal was more opaque. Chainmail armor was gloopy as heck, but I guess that was just my pot. As you said, batches were probably pretty inconsistent, so I guess we remember different things because we did experience different things. My goblin green definitely had that hint of white of the original one, unlike the Warcolors one. Gracias por hacerme recordar todo esto ❤
Gracias guapo 😘
Quizás esa sea el recuerdo que tengo yo, de Boltgun Metal
I came to say this, but in my heart I knew it had already been said.
This range looks amazing, but I’m not sure I can justify this… unless the old world tempts me
My chainmail was a gloopy mess to. Still bitter after 25+ years lol
This one remembers...For all of us
My old bolt gun metal was always pretty *thick* and somehow separated a lot as well.
Sometimes I would buy a brass colour and it was completely unusable and sort of jelly like.
(The moral of the story is that metalics were awful)
Try out the Sunburst Yellow - I remember it needing 35-40 coats for decent coverage. 😂
Edit: Mithril Silver over white was always super transparent from my memory. I remember preferring Boltgun Metal.
THAT IS THE WAY
Boltgun Metal was a banger.
Tinbitz was so good.
@JuanHidalgo Miniatures - an interesting bit of background:
Coat D’Arms is made by the original manufacturer of GW’s 88/94 paint lines (HMG Paints), and is basically a rebranding of the ‘94 range (albeit many people think it’s watered down).
Privateer Press’ P3 Paints are also made by HMG, and were designed by Mike McVey, who oversaw the ‘94 redesign of the GW paints. Allegedly, P3 uses liquid pigments and gel medium to facilitate wet blending. I’ve compared P3 to Coat D’Arms, and it really looks like P3 is essentially a modified GW ‘94 line (minus the 20 or so newer paints P3 added over the last 5 years or so).
Foundry Paints is also made by HMG. It’s a triad system and not directly based on GW afaik, but Foundry is owned by ex-GW and I wouldn’t be surprised if the 88 and/or 94 range was essentially hidden inside it.
TL;DR - a retro focused review of the above paint ranges alongside Warcolours’ Nostalgia 88 and 94 ranges would be really interesting to see the sorta mini-legacy of 90s GW and a single paint manufacturer across multiple paint ranges.
Indeed! That's a great idea
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures I wanted to also add that I really loved your point in this review about the “purpose” of the nostalgia paint range and how it doesn’t try to be perfect or cutting edge of modern paint design. Plus it seemed really obviously how genuinely you enjoyed being reminded of your first paints.
I started in ‘93 or ‘94, so that 90s Citadel range remains my favorite. I used to own the full Coat D’Arms range, but when I realized that there seems to be a nearly 1:1 parallel between it and P3 (for example, P3 Rucksack Tan appears to be its Snakebite equivalent), I switched to P3 as that was easier to find here in the US.
I currently primarily use the Nostalgia 88 and P3 ranges as my primary paints, and will be adding the Nostalgia 94 line. I do use a few others, like some Pro Acryl and for my money nothing beat Kimera Kolors The White, but it’s been really satisfying and fun to find my old paints again, so to speak.
At this point, all I’m missing are paint brushes with the hand-feel of those old red handled Citadel brushes. I know they weren’t super special either compared to what’s out there now, but I have a similar soft spot for them too.
Thanks! I appreciate that.
That was the only way reviewing these paints in a fair way because objectively they are not good paints BUT they shouldn't be, they have to be what they are, no more no less and they deliver in spades
I remember mithril being thin, boltgun being thicker. Sunburst was by far the thinnest and hardest to work with :) Just looking through an old colour chart, it's Liche Purple and Hawk Turquoise that I get the nostalgia hit from.
Oh yeah, Me too
I was tempted to get some of these and other similar throw back colours I've seen that match the 2000s paints too. Then paint some nostalgia minis. We need a Juan nostalgia series now !!
Don't tempt me!
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures you know you want to😁
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures do it!!
Definitely would love to see a nostalgia series!!
Interesting review there. I couldn't get on with Citadel paints; far too shiny for my liking when they dried. I actually mentioned this dislike to the great Blanchitsu back in the early 90s when I was a teen at a GW factory open day in Nottingham, his response was interesting he said 'add some talcum powder to the paint' to matte it down. I didn't try his suggestion, wasn't sure if he was joking or not. I faithfully stuck with my Ral Partha paints which were matte but chalky; would love to see a Ral Partha Nostalgia paint line - still got the whole line of theirs safely stored in dropper bottles.
He was indeed right, the matting agent of paints is usually talcum
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures One learns something new everyday, thanks for the confirmation.
Been following Warcolours' journey designing this line since day one. I can't wait to start buying them for my AoS armies.
Awesome
thank you for your support! nothing would have been possible without you guys!!!
I think what makes a good paint line is how much you actually enjoy using it. Some paints, I just struggle with, but others are a dream and lots of fun.
I agree
Those look so much like I remember them! That Mithril silver matches exactly my memory of it. Thin, watery and hard to apply in the right places.
There a couple of colours that I really look forward to. Particularly the crimson gore :D
Awesome! I really wasn't sure about Mithril Silver, good to know it's also a perfect match
definitely, im looking forward to bleached bone and burnished gold myself
Two great options
@@thesherbet I'm definitely most excited for bleached bone, burnished gold, AND crimson gore! Such good memories of each of them!
Probably bolt gun metal too if I'm honest
I am definitely a fan of these as someone newer in the hobby these are honestly a great way to connect with the past, and I agree what makes them good is that they do what they say in the box they're nostalgic and meant to remind you of the earlier days in the hobby. That marker is genius!!
Thanks, that's exactly my sentiment
Ahh... The enchanted blue, your favorite blue... Juan, joins us on the blue side. You know it is your destiny...
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I've been painting since the 1980s and remember the original line and the 90s lines and have paints from both including my father's original sets from 1988. There were quite a lot of changes over the years that makes matching the original paints a challenge. You are right than mithril silver was thick and actually quite gummy. The medium then had a lot of vinyl in it and it separated quickly and dried very quickly making dry brushing over black the preferred method of painting metallics, especially thick were the 1980s line which came in the magical round pots. By the early 1990s they started using hex pots as you showed and by the mid 1990s they started using a twist tops with a hard plastic pot and then changed the lid to a flip top. Tthe hard plastic pots were paints made in france. The paint quality was very good but the paints dried out quickly because of the inferior pots and the flip top helped with that. Of course now gamesworkshop has their own unique pot with semi-clear lid, but a few companies still use the classic pots and everyone should. In those kinds of pots the paints will literally last forever if taken care of correctly. The pots are enchanted for this effect. The warcolours classic '88 line matches the metallic colors closer than anything I've tried, but they are thinner and more suited to wet blending and probably better for painters today, but they feel different than the originals because the medium is different. The rest of their colours are very close, but not exact matches for the original colours. Again there's a reason why a colour match is difficult. The earliest versions of goblin green were a bit olive drab, the later version more neutral, and by the mid 90s they were the color of chromium oxide green and used a very pure vibrant green probably made from pthalo-green pigment. There were also three versions of enchanted blue. The first generation was an iron-blue (prussian blue) with white added for opacity and brightness, to this more white was added to make the earliest electric blue a lighter version of the same color, both were opaque, the second generation was semi-transparent and had a hazardous chemical in it probably to increase flow and prevent clumping but came in hex pots and was richer without much white or any added it was the color of phthalo blue so that's probably the pigment used, then there was the mid 90s hard plastic pot version which was very plastic in it's finish and probably used the same pigment as it had a strong dying effect and it's current match is citadel/gamesworkshop's caledor sky. There was also a colour called moody blue which was a darker version of enchanted blue without white added in the first generation line. It was very powerful, rich, dark, moody, and largely transparent. It was discontinued for some reason. The titillating pink from the 88 era has never been replicated by any manufacturer though warcolours tried. Their base colour is very close but the original had a yellow fluorescent overtone probably from a later banned chemical used in highlighters according to legend. The first generation hobgoblin orange was not a bright orange but rather a slightly dull orange sienna. The earliest blood red was not a warm red but rather a scarlet, but this later changed and blood red became their warmer primary red. Originally the warmer red was called red gore. This change happened pretty early from what I can tell. Worm purple has never been replicated correctly by anyone, though the warcolour version is good it's not the same. It likely used a pigment only now commonly used in the car industry in high temperature applications if my research and guesswork is right, but it can be mixed fairly well from modern paints if you know the secret recipe. The earliest version of bestial brown has also never been matched. It's got an overtone missing from modern browns. If I were to guess I'd say the same sienna used to make the earliest version of hobgoblin was added to burnt umber to make it more opaque. But there was a later version of bestial brown from the mid 1990s that was also very good. The closet matches one to one out there for the old paints comes from a company called Coat D'Arms, but the naming changes cause confusion. For example their enchanted blue is actually a blue metallic, a nice paint in its own right, but the correct replacement for enchanted blue in their line is called Light Blue and Bavarian Blue is also very close, but slightly different. I happen to love warcolours classic '88 line. Their reds are amazing. I also love that the come in the classic round pots that last forever. That marker is a great idea. It would be great to have an artist line of markers with matching colors for each of the classic colours.
That's an amazing comment, thanks
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures No problem. Your thumbnail is pretty amazing too. That's exactly how the 90s looked and sounded. You got the style just right. Everything had those neon color geometric patterns. And I dressed pretty similar to that. My mother sewed my brother and I a full wardrobe of shirts and shorts from those kinds of prints so we were always looking crisp, fresh, and jazzy and we'd never be caught slacking off.
These paints look a lot of fun and reminds me just how good the Golden Demon winners were back then considering the paints we had. I'm definitely going to dust off the old ones I still have and take a trip down memory lane. Psych!
Awesome
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. I don't miss using these paints at all, but the base markers are a great idea.
They are a brilliant idea
I'd love to see you paint a modern mini with these babies.
Probably when the range is completed
I still have half these paints and am pretty sure mithril silver behaved just like that, especially over white. The Nostalgia one looked like it covered better than I remember!
Thanks 😘
i not only remember mithril silver being really transparent, i still have a pot of it and its still really transparent 😆. not to be confused with boltgun metal of course which had really good coverage, i loved boltgun metal but i really didnt like mithril becaus eit was just rly watery and transparent, at least the batches i seemed to get. i started painting when the pots were round but the silver i have atm is a hexagon pot with the black lid i believe which were the next generation.
actually juan, i lied, it turns out i have 2 pots of silver...
i.imgur.com/40cW9BL.jpg
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This is my memory as well, from round pot era, boltgun metal was great and mithril silver I never actually used as it just looked bad.
Thanks, that helps
I still have a nearly full pot of snakebite and Liche purple and they’re excellent. The one I’m most anticipating is warlock purple. That’s rarer than gold dust to get and my pots almost finished. Thanks for the review!
Happy to help
My old Gobbo green, bronzed flesh Flesh wash and Enchanted blue are still alive and kicking. All the others turned to unrecoverable paint bricks......apart from the sunburst (which turned to a milky water) and mithril silver (which turned to a mica blue-tac).
Nice to see these colours again.
Mica Blu-Tac
Lol
@JuanHidalgo Miniatures honestly. Ruined two brushes trying to revive the pot with a little cocktail of acrylic medium and flow improver. Didn't thjnk my wife would appreciate me trying to hold up posters with the result so didn't properly test the adhesion properties :-D
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Superb! I still have pots of Blood Red, Chaos Black, Goblin Green and a few others, in either the really old round pots or the hexagon shaped ones.
Great
i have so many flashbacks Juan, thanks!
That Colors, that Models... cant wait for the Old World Release to use my old models.
Me too!
For the full 90s experience I’d have to not thin my paints and use ridiculously poor quality brushes which were more like toothbrushes 😂
THIS IS THE WAY
Love this review video Juan. I had all the Citadel paints prior to these ones (the flip top, cylinder pots) and they seemed ok back in the late 80's/early 90's. The most important thing is 'DO THEY SMELL LIKE THE OLD PAINTS?' they need to smell like the old paints...I miss the old paint smell :D
Its not as easy to smell them being in droppers, but it's a good question
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures a colourful nasal spray 😆
According to the manufacturer they do smell the same
SMELL THE RAINBOW!
YES!
Ah, Goblin Green. That takes me back to my old kitchen table from 28 years ago, painting bases made from sand and PVC glue!
Good memories
As others have said Mithril Silver was always super thin. As I understand it, it wasn't meant (or wasn't used) to paint a base layer (especially over white). It was especially used as a dry brush technique over black, which then gave a good metal-like finish.
Thanks
Ohh man, this brings me right back to the early 90's when I started collecting/painting! These look great, defo have to pick some up!
Awesome
Wow takes me back to being 12/14 again! I have an old hex pot of mithril silver I still use, from probably 25 years ago! Completely usable and hasn’t dried at all, can’t say that about most paints these days. Pot I have covers well, the silver in your video looks more like stormhost silver in terms of coverage I’d say? Great vid!
Yeah, I've got contradicting statements on Mithril Silver and I'm pretty sure there were two different formulations of it
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures looks like I got lucky! Makes sense.
My favorite rediscovery is an old pot of Citadel Warlock Purple. Zero coverage which was a pain back in the day. I use it as a filter for red tones nowadays.
Excellent use !
I still mainly use old citadel paints and all mine are different to yours! The silver is and was gloriously thick and the snakebite leather in my collection (1 and 1/2 bottles remaining) are far lighter. I love these old paints!
Remember you are watching this through a camera lens and sensor
Of course. I loved the video and was simply agreeing with your comment on the variation between batches. No two people's paints were the same.
Yeah, nowadays they have way more control but still happens
Oh the memories... yes, that was my first paint set too... I even might have two or three of the original bottles somewhere in a drawer.
Awesome!!
Love the memory trip! Mithril Silver was terribly thin back in the day too! I was so excited when Runefang Steel came out and didn't suck, lol
Thanks! That's really helpful
I still have a lot of these older paints. Some still sealed. It is crazy to me how many have lasted 20+ years. I also have some glazes and washes as well...great vid. Thank you.
Thanks for watching
Thank you , Juan .
I have ,(and still use) Citadel Colour Mithril Silver . no it is not as thin as the one you used ,
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Ok, we have contradictory feedback on that, pretty sure it's a matter of batches, as with Goblin Green
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Must be. Mine was (and still is!) exactly like the one in the video.
Hi Juan, great video. A quick look through my collections I have these colours and many more unopened and still liquid. Mithril silver is very runny, boltgun metal is opaque.
Thanks for checking!
Still have some Goblin Green and some Enchanted Blue.
Not opened.
I keep them as some relics of the Dark Ages.
I finished the Mithril Silver I had because it was covering better than the stuff GW produed after that.
That's great
Thanks for making me feel even older than I feel 30 years!
I still have my snakebite leather and its still good, a testament to the paint that GW didnt make... :-)
Happy to help 😘
The nineties... ❤
I must have these and see what I can do now
About mithril silver, I *think* that the opaque one came with the black-capped hexagonal bottles.
There are probably several versions of the paint
I remember snakebite leather being absolute sorcery when I was a kid
Indeed
So watching other videos on the old paint set, I noticed that those old painting guides that came in box had you base coat the metal bits black.
My guess is that, yes Mithril silver was intended, very thin. As a black base coat would hide the fact it was thin, making it look like a thicker silver pigment paint.
That seems to be the consensus
Actual, vintage correct Goblin Green in a dropper bottle. What a day! What a lovely day! That base rim marker is a really cool idea! Painting base rims is a bit of a tedious and boring process. It's one of those crucial finishing touches though. Makes a model go from a work in progress to a finished work.
How do these paints stack up to Coat D'Arms paints? As I understand it those aren't just a reproduction of the old school Citadel paints, they are the old school Citadel range. Not in droppers though. Warcolours instantly have a leg up there. And I respect it being a full one-man production.
I don't like them at all actually. They claim to be the same but I find that's not true at all IMO
Thank you for the support guys! The process of making the paints was as fun as Juan had using them. Soon all 75 paints will be available!
@@warcolourspaints3256 Looking forward to seeing them made available! There's certainly room for some vintage stuff in my painting.
My first mini paints were Ral Partha's D&D line
Never tried them
Oh godddd those were THE BEST years for everything. ❤
Yeah, I used them for so long, glad we now have an option to buy them again
You kids with your fancy acrylics ! I remember when the only option available were the terrible Humbrol enamels x_x
Oh god no, not those!
Ah. I have a question about the humbrols. Do you remember if there was a bright florescent like pink paint by humbrol? I have a theory as to where titillating pink came from.
@@jeremiahembs5343 I can't remember using that color in enamels back in the day. I remember having bought fluorescent orange, green and yellow Humbrol in the mid eighties more as a novelty but that kind of vivid pink hue (as well as the green one) were definitely new colors to me when i got the first citadel acrylics sets. They came in a cardboard box and were unlabeled, in the same plastic pots Coat o'Arms uses. I guess you could find that color at the time in Liquitex acrylic thick medium, but these were insanely expensive back then and few art stores carried that american brand as import.
@@the_arcanum Thank you for the information very much my friend. :)
Mithril silver was always super thin, i found bolt gun and chainmail much better. Snakebite was the bomb as a colour as well as liche purple, warlock crimson, hawk turquoise and salamanders black. i still have my skaven brown wash and the ork green wash from the 'expert' set. i also used the green and purple metallic a lot.
if go fasta red comes back he will have to see if he can program it spill, as everyone i know had theirs spill. and if tinbitz can dry up 5 minutes after opening as well :)
Lol
Your intros.. they’re so funny, keep it up!! 🤘🏼🌞
And a trip back to nostalgia lane is always sweet - it’s all about good memories ❤️
Thanks mate 😘
I still have enchanted blue and am looking for some more so will have to get some. Might have mythril as well, need to check.
Awesome!
Great news. I really miss good ol' Goblin Green.
Who doesn't?
I started in about '91, with the previous generation to the hex pots - the ones Coat d'Arms imitated/reproduced/whatever. Then moved on to the hex pots, then the horrific screw-cap ones that dried out in days... the best day of my mini-painting life was when I discovered a little scale modelling shop tucked away in the town I grew up in that sold Vallejo Model Colour! There were about five paints in the Citadel range from the 90s that could hold a candle to VMC. The only ones I'd never give up from the Citadel range were all the weird colours that would never be useful for military modellers - bilious green and titillating pink and tin bitz and so on.
(And I also remember mithril silver being unusably thin, boltgun metal covering properly, and chainmail being somewhere between the two. I guess it was something to do with whatever they used to tint the paint darker as tin bitz - darker even still than boltgun metal - had the opposite problem and was often far too thick and dried on the brush!)
That's great, VMC definitely was and still is a top tier paint although now starting to show its age compared to the new kids on the block
Warcolours have a Nostalgia 88 range which covers your starting generation of paints and has all the colours you've listed.
@@razbloodalpha4982 I appreciate the heads-up, but with the exception of the ever-chunky tin bitz I still have the originals - I mostly paint in a more muted style these days so I don't get to use such luminous colours on every project! Most of the Citadel paint generations between then and now have dried up and died long ago, but the good old rubberised-lid pots from the early 90s are still going strong.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures VMC is still the mainstay of my paint collection, to be honest - I like contrasts and Warcolours' Antithesis translucents well enough, I have a couple of Kimera bottles (who seem to make the only black that isn't incredibly glossy!), but they're still broadly my favourite. And going back to them after watching this video I was reminded of how good we have it these days!
Indeed
question: how about we also make a brush line with the handle in RED and white lettering, exactly like the brushes of the time!!! is this something you would be interested in guys????
I’ve still got a full set of the old paints 😅 with the og space marine and chaos warrior
I ENVY YOU SO MUCH!!
I still keep an old pot of Snot Green for nostalgia's sake. It dried up at least a decade ago but I can't get rid of it haha.
It's a small piece of history
I do remeber Mithril Silver to be very watery, Chainmail was much thicker. Those base markers are pretty neat idea!
Awesome! Thanks for that, it's very helpful
My old Mithril Silver was pretty much unusable, very thin and low pigmented, so this is not too far off :)
Good! Thanks mate, I trust your judgment
Mithril silver was always super transparent. You had to paint the area black, then do several coats of silver.
Thanks, that's is helpful
Fun video - I'd love to see the blood red in comparison to the Khimera colours The Red - if nothing else to see how far paint has come since then
It's a different pigment to begin with, but yeah it's not even in the same league. I suggest you also try the new Game Color reds, they are amazing
The base paint markers are genius. I'll take one in Vallejo Heavy Black today plz k thx.
They do it in black, mine will arrive soon
I still have bottles of flesh/armour/blue wash and they are all so saturated that would almost pass as an ink today. I've also been rationing a pot of Dwarf Bronze and if they can match that I will be first in line. Glad to be aware of this.
Happy to help!
I have considered them but I’ll stick with Vallejo, there’s enough good stuff in their range to sate my need for 90’s paint jobs. I’m glad these paints are out though, they really tick the nostalgia box.
Perfectly valid option
I probably won’t get these because I don’t have the same nostalgia, but I really loved watching how happy you were and how much fun you had using them 😊
I totally get it, when you haven't used them back then there's very little reason to get them and go through the pain
Remember those lying Eavy Metal swine on the back of the multipart Tactical Marines box?
Ultramarines Blue, Blood Red, Bad Moon Yellow (even worse than Sunburst), Snakebite Leather, Boltgun Metal, Goblin Green; done!
Lol, they are still doing the same to a lesser degree
Hmm.. lets go back to the start, I still have Orc Brown, Spear Staff Yellow and just recently found eight bottles of wash/inks they produced. I do remember with fondness Hobgobolin Orange.
That's awesome
I still have many of the original paints, and the last time that I checked many of them (including Mithril Silver) were still wet. Should I try it? Oh, and painting base rims is the best thing about painting! You maniac.
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#sorrynotsorry
I remember Mithril Silver being more transparent than Chainmail. This was a fun video, thanks for bringing back memories of pairing my early Brettonians and Lizardmen!
Thanks for watching!
Ah yes the 90s were famous for having the best paint, can't wait to get my hands on these!
Awesome
I recall Mithril Silver pretty well as I had a high elves army 😂 And yes, it was pretty transparent! I found some old silver helms the other day, and I had based the metal parts black and then added silver on top, and 12 year old me figured one coat should be enough, so it is patchy as all get out.
Yeah, that seems to be the consensus. Always good to have official confirmation from a fellow High Elves connoisseur
The mithral silver must have been very thick, I say this because I clearly remember everyone over applying it, making every soldier looking like they had latex weapons. I don't think most people used two coats back then.
Yeah that's right
Check out Coat d'Arms paint range :)
I did and hated it, it's way different from the original, this one is almost perfect
Your cold opens are S+ tier (apart from being too real about having hair and the 90s)
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Thanks mate 😘
Your approach to this review is perfect. Other CZcamsrs should pay attention.
Thanks, much appreciated
Juan, I read in White Dwarf 137 that you are supposed to paint metallics over black. Maybe that is your problem with the Mithril Silver.
Could be, but I always used white primer back then, I've always been one of those weirdos
Yes I agree. We used to paint black all parts that needed to be painted silver
Anyway, everyone pretty much confirmed the paint is identical to the original, so it's great
That's correct Sheep Wave Me Bye Bye. As you and warcolourspaints said proper technique then was black first, then dry brush metallic over it. The metallics dried quickly, so quickly in fact you have to IMMEDIATELY wash your brush after every stroke and dab again on paper towels before doing it again. You might think that you could just keep them moist with water, but that broke the metallic paint and caused the flakes of metal to go into the recesses of the model which ruined the effect because the recesses would be light and the highlights dark. The proper technique of drybrushing over black was specifically invented for doing chainmaile to pick out the raised areas, but it worked well on armor and swords too because the weapon would look a bit battle damaged and not so garish and the black undercolor looked more like the monster was in a dark environment like a dungeon or cave. Now because modern paints flows better and stay wet longer the proper technique is to coat with metallic and then wash with black or maybe a rusty color and then use black and then maybe highlight with a brighter metallic or with a metallic mixed with white or with white or offwhite first to create an edge highlight and then glaze on a metallic over that which will be backlit by the white. But I still do it the old way most of the time and use my older metallics to do it since they are chunkier and work better for it.
I played with my dads rouge trader firehawks in the crazy cadmium yellow hue .
Awesome
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures they are I gotta get the Horus heresy set those old boys are so old now and I need too repair some . They’ve earned a rest but i do love the scheme and the nuclear explosion marks
I remember mithril silver being exactly like that, but we may have jad different batches.
Yeah a couple people said that, so it might be just me not remembering it right
gw metallics were always painted over black - even while the rest of the miniature was white.
Very true
Mithril silver has to go over a black base coat. Over white it's very transparent
I started with blood red on a black undercoated behemoth tyranids. The nostalgia is real but the suffering was too !
This is the way!
I remember a few of them being super thin and from memory Mithril Silver was one of them. They look cool though, might pick up a goblin green for the bases on my inevitable old world empire army.
Awesome!
The nostalgia88 was a great range, so i will be picking up these
Awesome! I didn't pick the 88 range because I never used them originally but I will get the full range of these once they are available
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures 88 paints are THE struggle honestly. I not from that era personally but I used the original paints, acrylics were in their infancy time and everything was very crude.
Oh yeah, these are a bit better but not much. But that's the point really, I can get amazing paints now if I want very easily, the chemistry of Acrylic paints it's a its absolute peak right now.
These paints do something different, they are a time capsule, not everyone will want to take it, but a lot of people do want. At least they are doing something different
I can't really speak for the 94 paints as real life had turned up by that time, but I think it was the same mythril silver as was released in the 80s which I did have
But I was still painting in 93 (ironically a lot of stuff for the local GW shop) and the bright silver was still awful (had to go on over chainmail to get any depth, even over black it was better than going on over silver.)
You could look at the Warcolours 88 set for the original releases (though I had my original 18 citadel paints around 1985 so I don't know why they call them Nostalgia 88)
Personally I love my regular Warcolours paints (apart from the metallics) and although I have adopted the Monument paints I still break out the Warcolours when I need something with a bit of natural transparency
You could also look at the Cote de Arms range as they were the people who made the original Citadel paints and they still produce them.
The old mithril silver was about as bad as that. Very watery. I think it's a good equivalent.
Awesome! Great to know
I remember mythril silver having terrible coverage. I used to slather it on thick because I didn't know any better
Thanks
Hey Mr. Juan, otro vídeo genial, este me ha hecho sonreir más que de costumbre.
Yo no recuerdo haber tenido ese plateado en particular, pero si tenía el de citadel de desenroscar llamado "Chainmail", que era justamente un color similar a ese plateado pero más oscurito. ¿Podría ser que estuvieras mezclando las memorias entre ambos?
Un saludo y gracias como siempre por tu canal, y ese humor absurdo tan característico, es genial xD
Es muy probable si
Marker and this paint are REALLY GREAT!!
And what cool too - other Warcolour paints have a simple gradation by transparency system. Minimalistic and informative :3
Ah and Warcolour have a light label on dark paints and dark on light paints
They are a great brand for sure
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Completely agree!
Oh just for interesting - can we see the Warcolours primers review?
Probably not, I have a limited time to make videos and I have a lot of more interesting stuff to showcase
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Ok!
¡Estoy deseando ver más vídeos!
The Almighty Quest of the Perfect Goblin Green
You have no idea how happy this makes me. Well you probably do as of time of writing...But i've just watched it again...
Just take my money.
VIEWS FOR THE VIEWS GOD
I remember Flesh Wash being the go to paint for all kinds of flesh but mostly diseased nurgle or zombie skin.
Exactly! It was so yellow...
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures you weren't using enough then! 🤣 I mean it was a dark brown when you slapped lots on.
I remember always using the darker silver, i think Boltgun Metal? There was probably a reason, but I don't remember it.
Yeah that seems to be the general consensus
The difference is so small as to be insubstantial, I'll be getting a set to paint my Mordheim bands :)
AWESOME!
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures you already got me hooked with rosemary & co brushes stahp 🤣🤌
What a great review. I remember mithril silver being damn hard to use to archive a good coverage. I’d never buy a set of paints for nostalgia, i hated that old paints sooooo much 😂. Old minis for nostalgia, yes, old paints, no thanks!
Completely fair
Those colors take me back.
Indeed!
ou,,, aquellos maravillosos años en los que eramos felices.......gracias Juan.
Ya te digo
Aún tengo algunas de esas pinturas originales, incluido el Mithril Silver... Algunas estarán secas, otras las he usado no hace mucho... Incluso la caja de cartón original, en la que guardo alguna mini de la época...
Que envidia
That marker. Are going full circle and going back to using Gundum markers now?
I'm a strong proponent of always using the best tool for the job
Yeah, Mithril Silver was always horrible over white. It was pretty washy over black too. Always used to use Chainmail and then highlight with Mithril Silver - Get a lot of nostalgic feels from this range, but that is a two edged sword as I also remember them being a real pain in the arse to use back then. Good fun project though 🙂
Having said that... I'd be happy for Dark Angels Green to come back. One of the best paints ever - fact
Yeah, Nostalgia is a weird thing
Sorry if this is off topic, BUT When can we expect to get more information on the expansion of the vallejo xpress color line? I was finally able to pick up the first 23 colors a few weeks ago and i really like them. However, the lack of neutral Grays, a black black, and more browns and skin tones is limiting me. I was hoping to hear about the next batch of colors by now.
Only thing I can say is that they are coming VERY soon.
I hated the old 90's paints, they were like painting with wishful thinking, the idea of going back to those days fills me with terror. The Citadel paints that I miss are the Foundation paints, those were amazing.
Yeah they were awful but nostalgia is a weird thing
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thanks
You missed the most important thing! Do they smell the same as they did in the 90s?! 😁
Apparently they do but haven't checked
Not interested in the nostalgia paint, but a LOT on the pen for the base rim. There is a link for this amazing product? I searched a bit in their store but no luck at all
I had the older color box set in the original pots, still have and use them all, except the metallic, it was terrible came all chunky and just never worked.
Glad to confirm the paint matches the original
You can actually smooth them out if you know how, but I prefer mine chunky. Throw two or three rust free mixer balls in the metallic pots so they bang against each other, add one drop of distilled water, tape on the lid and shake the crap out of it with a nail polish shaker to break it up and turn it smooth again. If they haven't hardened you can whip them into a smooth finish better than new. Usually the gold or brass go bad to a point they get rock hard, but in some rare case can be entirely restored, but the silvers are easy to fix. If you can fix a gold or brass from the era it's worth it's weight in... gold I guess. Very rare. So rare it should analyzed for its formula by warcolours I would think. You have a treasure in your old collection. It's a chemical time machine. A lot of fake sets now. It's very rare to have a known authentic set.