How to Remove Torx (Star) bolts/screws | 4 WAYS | WELD NUT GUARANTEED | Stripped Rusted Stuck Frozen

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  • How to remove the most stubborn damaged or stuck bolts, including Torx (Star) head bolts.
    Three common methods that may work are briefly discussed (vice grips and different extraction tools), and a GUARANTEED method to remove the most stubborn, rusted, stuck bolts, is shown in complete detail (welder required - weld a nut onto the bolt head). Also, how to prevent stuck Torx bolts from ever happening again is shown as well (replace with hex head bolts and anti-seize)! Lets remove some Torx bolts!
    1. Vice Grips or Channel locks
    2. Bolt extractor (for rounded bolt head) Example: amzn.to/3aqnh8Q
    3. Bolt extractor (drill & extractor "easy out") Example: amzn.to/2Yz7Poi
    4. GUARANTEED* Weld a nut (welder required)
    This was one of the very first videos that I made. I know its not the best, but just trying to share information to help someone out. I plan to remake it in the future.
    Another method to remove stripped head bolts is here (cut a slot):
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  • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
    @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety +14

    This was one of the very first videos that I made. I know that it progresses slowly, and isn’t the best; no filming equipment and out of my comfort zone. But, I just dove in and was trying to share helpful information to help people out.
    I plan to remake this video at a faster pace with much more detail in the future.!

    • @anthonyherweck5765
      @anthonyherweck5765 Před 2 lety

      @Buckwheat Hikes I agree. My POS Chevy equinox driver seat bolts are t50 torx bolts and one of them is stripped and it was torqued down, I suspect it was because the heater core was replaced before. And they would have needed to have removed the driver seat. I'm trying to take them out and so I can detail it extremely.

    • @VintageFootballVault
      @VintageFootballVault Před rokem +1

      Best video ever I’m changing the transmission fluid on my 90 Mercedes with only 90k miles & the t30 is completely stripped I don’t think it has ever been taken off imma have to rent another jack & really get under there thanks for the tip!

  • @mostafael-masri4543
    @mostafael-masri4543 Před 3 lety +36

    not applicable if the surrounding of the bolt is narrow, plastic or sensitive ...

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety +3

      Thanks for pointing that out! I agree; welding creates extreme heat and will damage plastic or sensitive materials.
      Typically, when I experience issues with Torx bolts, it is in an automotive application, where it will not turn because it is rusted into a steel tapped hole. In that case, welding helps to break the bond. Thanks!

    • @jameson6930
      @jameson6930 Před 3 lety +4

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial why did they invent torx head bolts anyway if they strip so easy?

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety +4

      @@jameson6930 when installing them, they are easier/faster to mate with a driver tool, less prone to strip, and more torque can be applied. This is an advantage for automobile assembly lines for example. They can quickly and repeatably be rammed right in with a power driver.
      However, they can be a real hassle to remove, especially after time if they have rusted.

    • @dragonsword7370
      @dragonsword7370 Před 3 lety

      @@jameson6930 exactly as the videos\channel's author stated. Just referencing the torx head deck screws, if I had a choice I'd spend the extra money on those in a fab. job EVERYtime cause they don't torque out when applying 98% of the time. But for longevity on a vehicle they are a hassle without being stainless steel or some high quality anti rusting. Trying to remove about 6 to 8 on my chevy's tailgate hinges, they are bulbous capped torx heads and one stripped. The other quite literally twisted the torx head bit when applying the ratchet bit on my breaker bar. After applying PB breaker spray 4 times and letting it soak in each time. It's comical in a way.

  • @allthetech
    @allthetech Před 2 lety +12

    Get on with it!!! (read with Monte Python enthusiasm).. You could have saved me 8 min and just said "weld a nut". JFC..

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety +2

      For sure. This is the first video that I made. Definitely not my best work. The next time I encounter a stuck bolt worth welding a nut on, I will definitely remake this video!

    • @allthetech
      @allthetech Před 2 lety +2

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial Sorry, long day of trying to remove stripped torx screws will do this to a man .. I appreciate the video, I was hoping for an alternative technique that wasn't so obvious. Thanks for taking the time.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety +1

      @@allthetech No problem at all. Best of luck with the Torx screws!

    • @tedthornton7791
      @tedthornton7791 Před 2 lety

      🤔😑

    • @Juppie902
      @Juppie902 Před 2 lety

      How to buy a welder i dont have any lol

  • @user-dp2iy5lj7k
    @user-dp2iy5lj7k Před 5 měsíci

    This video was just fine, thank you.

  • @rschneid1996
    @rschneid1996 Před 2 lety +1

    I have replaced multiple torx bolt with regular 10 mm bolts for car parts I remove and reinstall on a regular basis. So much easier to repeatedly loosen and tighten back to spec !

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      Right on! Car manufacturers use torx bolts because they are fast and easy to drive in with a bit driver. Perfect for mass production.
      But awful for us to get them out. I agree, I always replace them with a hex head bolt.

  • @Jeef1616
    @Jeef1616 Před 3 lety +3

    Super helpful
    Always works I got this junk out of my jeep

  • @AF1MIDS
    @AF1MIDS Před 2 lety

    Good Morning my friend and nice to meet you! I love this video its great and very detailed. Im trying to remove 2 cylinder block drain plugs to drain out old contaminated coolant on my 2003 dodge caravan se and i cant remove them at all its tough.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      Hello! To drain the coolant, I would looking for a drain plug in the bottom of the radiator, or disconnecting the bottom radiator hose (hose clamp).

    • @AF1MIDS
      @AF1MIDS Před 2 lety

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial I actually opened the radiator draincock first and drained out the distilled water and coolant and now i have to remove the 2 cylinder block drain plugs to remove all the old contaminated coolant from the block.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety +1

      @@AF1MIDS Interesting. Typically, the radiator drain plug and the lower radiator hose (where it connects to the radiator) should be the lowest point in the system and you should be able to drain the engine block from there. Some blocks have a tapped through holes with plugs for accessories like a thermostat sending unit, but I have not seen a coolant drain plug on a block. But, I am not familiar with that specific engine.
      Does it require a hex/Allen wrench?

    • @AF1MIDS
      @AF1MIDS Před 2 lety

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial It sure does require a hex/allen wrench yes sir 💚👍

  • @Daisy.florina
    @Daisy.florina Před 4 dny

    So funny 😅and such a great idea

  • @lebergerdesphotons4565

    can't use hex head bolts where you need the flat head because of clearance of objects needing to be bolted on top.

  • @fatherof4kids
    @fatherof4kids Před 5 měsíci +1

    Mine is between the firewall and the engine and there is barely enough room to fit a socket. Why would you use torx bolts on a car engine, especially on an intake? I wish engine designers had to work on them.

  • @ZloB1N
    @ZloB1N Před 7 měsíci

    Now I need a welder and a slingshot :D

  • @frieza625
    @frieza625 Před 2 lety

    What are your thoughts on drilling a hole, thread tapping it, finding a grade 5 or grade 8 bolt with matching threads, and red locktite it together?

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      I don’t think the loctite would hold for removing the bolt if it is really seized/rusted in place. You would need to use a left hand thread tap and bolt. The center bolt would be smaller, and there is also the possibility of just twisting the head off of the bolt is severely stuck.

    • @frieza625
      @frieza625 Před 2 lety

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial I gave it a go and it didn't work. Beating a chisel and using vice grips did way better.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      @@frieza625 Nice! Glad you got it sorted out!

  • @ZloB1N
    @ZloB1N Před 7 měsíci

    That's the right way to deal with torx bolts lol I just hate them. Have never had any problem with usual hex bolts

  • @bryanmckune5747
    @bryanmckune5747 Před 2 lety

    I have a torex on my radiator fans that I can’t get off and I’ve tried a few things even the dremel but there’s nothing else I can think of doing and I can’t weld it because it’s stuck under my car, do you have any ideas?

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      My last resort is to grind the head off, and the part can be removed. And hopefully use vice grips to remove the stud that is still sticking out the tapped hole.

  • @UTKZ1
    @UTKZ1 Před 3 lety +6

    Instead of welding, what about liquid weld or super strength epoxy? Might work if the bolt is not rusted or stuck super, super tight...just a thought.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety +1

      Great suggestion! I agree that if the bolt is not rusted or seized, liquid weld or epoxy may be a possibility. Also, if this is the case, it would be safer for the surrounding materials. Welding can melt or damage glass, plastic, fabric, ...

    • @geoffdickey3761
      @geoffdickey3761 Před 2 lety +1

      And you might not have a welder.

  • @janieskelton-christian7652

    Hi. The screws on the bottom front panel of my front load washer are rusted and stripped. I need to remove them to take the front panel off to get to the drain pump. Welding is out of the question!! Is there a simpler waY to get them out?? There are 4 star, I think. They may have been phillips heads at one time. They are extremely tight in there. I've tried using just about every tool you can imagine. I also sprayed penetrating oil twice now and they still won't budge!! Help!!

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety

      That’s a tough situation. I’ve been there many times. Welding a nut on was the game changer.
      If you have tried every tool, you are just about out of options. But there are some options that I know of.
      If you think it is possible to turn the screws out if the Phillips was not stripped out and you could actually get the screwdriver securely seated, an option is to cut a slot in the head and use a flat screwdriver. Cut a slot with a dremel or right angle grinder with a thin cutoff wheel.
      If you don’t think that will do it, here is one pretty much guaranteed way, but I save it for last resort because there is no going back. Cut off the head, then after you remove whatever the bolt or screw was holding down, hopefully there is enough of the screw sticking out that you can use some vice grips to remove what’s left of the screw.
      When you get the screw out, replace it with a stainless steel screw and use antiseize so you never have to deal with it again.
      I hope that helps. Let me know.

    • @janieskelton-christian7652
      @janieskelton-christian7652 Před 3 lety +1

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial Thank You! Well, I had thought of that and finally was so frustrated that I called in reinforcement from "the ol man"!! He brought in a side grinder, angle grinder, or as he says, down here in the South, we call it a "zizz wheel"!!! So, yeah, he cut the stupid old screws out for me!! And, Yes, I will definitely be putting some rust resistant ones back in it!! That's CRAZY!! So, my project tonight is taking off the front panel of my washer so I can remove the drain pump and go from there..........Unless I run into another dang Snag!!! Tanks for the suggestion!! Like your channel, will now SUB!

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety

      @@janieskelton-christian7652 Awesome! I’m glad you got through it. There is always a way.
      I recently saw this quote... “Every 20 minute job is one broken bolt away from becoming a three day ordeal” That sounds about right.
      I really appreciate the sub. Thanks!

  • @BruceWillisiscool
    @BruceWillisiscool Před 3 lety +3

    What if it smaller? Like T10? One on my gun is basically just a circle now with no teeth.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety

      The smallest bolt size that I have used the weld a nut on method was a 1/4-20, which I believe is a T30. T10 would be a very small screw, like a #4. Not likely enough real-estate to weld on a nut.
      Since it is so small, not much torque should be required to remove it.
      I would first try getting some type of grip on it. A rubber band between the head and Philipps screwdriver, pushing down very hard, so the rubber band will provide friction for the screwdriver to turn the screw. Whatever you can do without modifying the screw.
      After that, I would be looking for a way to cut a small slot in the top of the head to use a flat head screwdriver to turn the screw out. It should not take much of a slot, or much torque to remove it since it is so small.
      But, do what you can without modifying the head first. Maybe there is just enough of a tooth left to jam a flat head of the right size in there as it is.
      You will find a way. They eventually come out one way or another.
      When you get it out, replace it with a stainless steel Allen head so you never have to deal with this again.
      When you get it out, definitely let us know how!

    • @BruceWillisiscool
      @BruceWillisiscool Před 3 lety

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial Thanks for the advice! I can't stand torx bits.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety

      @@BruceWillisiscool
      No problem!

    • @MrSims-ky2ne
      @MrSims-ky2ne Před 2 lety

      @@BruceWillisiscool try good ones like wiha,snap on ect. Chinese tools cause the problems that this video was made for.

  • @Handlemmm
    @Handlemmm Před 3 lety

    My xbox one controller has 5 torque screws and I took out the four outer ones but the middle one is like glued on there and I cannot get it out cause the middle part that sticks out broke off and I dont have any flatheads that fit the screw perfectly so I cannot take apart the controller

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety

      For a small screw like that, if the torx shape is damaged or rounded out, your next best option is definitely to use a use a flat head of a perfect size that will fit in there and grip.

    • @Handlemmm
      @Handlemmm Před 3 lety

      didnt have one and it took a lot of effort to open with a flat head that was bigger but it was all for nothing it just ruined my controller 🙁

  • @JS-xr9ri
    @JS-xr9ri Před 3 lety

    Would JB weld work instead of the welder?

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety +1

      J S Great question. I don’t know for sure. I have not tried that. I have tried loctite metal epoxy, which didn’t work. The nut snapped off. I would suspect that the results would be similar with JB Weld.

  • @Sleepyjo1
    @Sleepyjo1 Před 3 lety +2

    Might have just saved my car, got sum torx screws rusted n chewed up holding my crank gear for the timing belt which I have to removed to change the serpentine

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety +3

      That should do it! Make sure to block or mask off any sensitive materials so the weld splatter doesn’t ruin anything.

  • @TJsVette
    @TJsVette Před 3 lety +2

    So I have a stripped out inverted 12mm hex head bolt that it completely stripped. There is no room to weld anything to the top and I don't know what to use to get it out.
    I felt the bolt pop when I went to take it off but right after the bar slipped and now all it does is spin on the inside.
    What do you suggest I use to get this bolt out? It is literally the last bolt to remove to take the head off the engine to replace my head gasket.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety

      That’s typical isn’t it, the last bolt is the one that gives you trouble and a half hour job turns into a five hour job.
      The bolt is torqued down, so it won’t come out easy. You need to be able to get some good torque on it.
      My first thought is an extractor for rounded off bolt heads. If there is any hex left at all, it may bite in and grab if you pound it on. This should be secure and allow you to use a breaker bar. An example is here:
      www.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-BOLT-GRIP-5-Pack-Bolt-Extractor-Set/1003021030?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-tol-_-google-_-lia-_-216-_-mechanicstools-_-1003021030-_-0&placeholder=null&ds_rl=1286981&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyryEtfH48AIVowh9Ch0VhwKHEAQYAiABEgLGZfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
      Worst case, head bolts are long. If you can cut/grind the head off, once you remove the cylinder head, you will have plenty of bolt and room to get it out no problem. That would probably be last resort on my list. Not sure if you have room for that if you don’t have room to weld on a nut though.
      I would search for a video or forum specifically dealing with a stuck head bolt. Maybe there is a good solution.
      Let me know how it goes and how you get it out!

    • @TJsVette
      @TJsVette Před 3 lety +1

      The issue I'm having is I can't get a bolt extractor to fit on top, the area where I'm working in is very small and that style extractor won't fit over the top. If I can't get it out then I think im going to pull the motor out and take it to a shop. That's the last thing I want to do.
      Yes it always seems that it is way it works. It's always the last one that gives you issues.

    • @TJsVette
      @TJsVette Před 3 lety +1

      So I got it out, called a mobile welder and he was able to weld a piece of pipe onto the bolt head and we were able to get it out!! Head is off and on its way to the machine shop!!

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety +1

      @@TJsVette Awesome! Happy to hear that. You are smooth sailing now!

  • @Reynaga2012
    @Reynaga2012 Před 3 lety +2

    Welded nuts
    That’s what happens when I sit in my hot car seat .. aaahhhhh

  • @noahmcc1
    @noahmcc1 Před rokem

    this fucking works… i was replacing my conductor plate on my benzo and the last bolt stripped on the first turn then i went to a bigger hex then to a grinder and then hopped on youtube… use a vg or wire cutter and hold on tight and twist 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 ty yt

  • @omarsanchez2436
    @omarsanchez2436 Před 2 lety

    My steering wheel screw is stripped how can I remove it without having to weld anything on it, I already tried the rubber band method as well

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      Are these several small screws around the perimeter, or a large screw in the center? Flathead/countersunk screw or socket head cap screw or hex head screw?

    • @omarsanchez2436
      @omarsanchez2436 Před 2 lety

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial there were just 2 small screws one came out with ease and the ither one got stripped, I ended up just ripping the steering wheel off and had to cut it but its worth it because i have my quick release on now

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      @@omarsanchez2436 Nice work! Yeah, that’s pretty much what I would’ve done. Drill the screw heads off, remove the steering wheel, then twist out what’s left of the screw with some voice grips.

  • @moderngod1
    @moderngod1 Před 2 lety +1

    got a T40 on my thermostat housing with a fuel line right above it. Well here goes all my money and my weeky paycheck .

  • @Mikkall
    @Mikkall Před rokem

    Well done. I'm about to slingshot my neighbors entire car for similar reasons

  • @keweenawbee
    @keweenawbee Před 3 lety +1

    How long a video is this gonna be?

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety

      Lol. I get it. This is the first video I made. I have come a long way since then with structure and editing. I plan to remake this video in the future,

  • @Mr.Thermistor7228
    @Mr.Thermistor7228 Před 2 lety

    This solution only works in a very very extremely limited number of scenarios

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      I’ve personally used it a fair number of times I’m larger and smaller bolts, but primarily on vehicles because that’s where I run into stuck torx bolts.

  • @katieking6845
    @katieking6845 Před rokem

    Omg how do people put up with this happens all the time

  • @TrainsForever
    @TrainsForever Před 3 lety +1

    I need to take my steering wheel off because I got a new one. There’s one on each side and it’s a tight fit. I can’t get them out

    • @dragonsword7370
      @dragonsword7370 Před 3 lety

      what kind of screws are they? Do they have a rounded bolt head like the one on the right hand side of the example board in the video or flat\flush headed?
      What condition do they look like they are in? Since it's the interior I doubt they are rusted but still asking.

    • @TrainsForever
      @TrainsForever Před 3 lety

      @@dragonsword7370 it used to be a torx screw and they are flat headed. It’s so bad that if any random person that sees it won’t even have any idea what it is. It’s a shape as if you were to flip a traffic come upside down and look down into it. It’s not rusty at all. It’s just perfectly smooth. I commented that a week ago and still have yet to get it out

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      Sorry I missed this! Sounds like you don’t have much room or many options.
      I would first try to easy-out tool. If that’s not working out, and if you cannot weld a nut on, drill the center out, same diameter as the threaded part of the bolt, until the head is detached, then lift the steering wheel off. There will be screws with no heads left behind. Then use some vice grips to turn what’s left of the screws out. That’s my recommendation.

  • @rev4126
    @rev4126 Před 3 lety

    Xbox360 torx got stripped somehow so yea that sucks

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety +1

      Definitely no welding or easy outs on that. Try a small flat head screwdriver. You may be able to force it in and get it to catch and turn it.

    • @rev4126
      @rev4126 Před 3 lety

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial will attempt thanks

  • @charlesbeltington-smythe9229

    Use an angle grinder to turn it into a flathead screw.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety +1

      Yes sir! Thanks for sharing! I made a video for that as well!
      czcams.com/video/CKjt5NgwCyw/video.html

  • @Life_With_Lucky_Luke
    @Life_With_Lucky_Luke Před rokem

    That’s not a bolt. It’s a screw. Torx Bolts are the inverse of that head and require a socket. Please retitle so people can actually find the correct help.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před rokem

      You are describing an E-Torx (External Torx) bolt, or also called an Inverted Torx.
      Search for “E-Torx bolt.” That should give you the correct help to remove your bolt.
      Also, these are indeed bolts. Not screws. I hope that helps!

  • @jagman745
    @jagman745 Před 2 lety

    Not helpful at all, but thanks for trying. The aluminum bolt on my serpentine belt tensioner is located between a rock and a hard place.

  • @alfiedudley5297
    @alfiedudley5297 Před 3 lety +1

    I wish this test would just give you an answer and stop talking

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 3 lety

      Thanks. I get it. This is the first video that I made and would love to redo it. My videos have come a very long way since then. Re-doing this video is on my list.

  • @GangstarComputerGod
    @GangstarComputerGod Před rokem

    Why in gods name are these bolts ever used? These are the WORST and strip so easily.

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před rokem

      Fast, easy, repeatable installation during manufacturing. Just zip them in. Then, it’s the consumer’s problem to get them out.

  • @milmex317th
    @milmex317th Před 2 lety

    Weak.

  • @jwayne777
    @jwayne777 Před 2 lety

    7 minutes and 36 seconds of my life...completely lost 😑

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před 2 lety

      I get it. This was one of the first videos I made. Definitely need to re-film this one. Thanks for watching.

  • @kentwiley1067
    @kentwiley1067 Před 9 měsíci

    Easy outs useless

  • @bloocifer
    @bloocifer Před rokem

    I hate EZ outs. They break so often. Maybe there's a expensive brand that doesn't break idk

    • @HowtoandReviewsOfficial
      @HowtoandReviewsOfficial  Před rokem

      I’ve tried Craftsman and Irwin.
      My first Craftsman set came in a nice plastic case/box that had “Craftsman” molded in it.
      I went to purchase replacements for the ones that had broken over the years but it was cheaper to buy a whole new set. The new set was a flimsy little plastic box that said “china” on it. I don’t have much confidence in them.

    • @bloocifer
      @bloocifer Před rokem

      @@HowtoandReviewsOfficial and screw torx bolts too. I literally just finished the wheel bearing on my car a few minutes ago and has to get the torch to get out one of these stupid damn torx bolts. Why were they ever made? Who knows