Educational coaching roast of KarQ's Reinhardt
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2021
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KarQ has the mentality of a support, which is just survival.
Fr tho
Thats the point? The number one thing in Overwatch basics is staying alive
@@Vastspartan if that’s the number one thing why do you ever leave the first spawn room?
@@myob94 Then why play? Quit asking dumb questions
@@Vastspartan no it's not bruh sometimes you trade kills and make space and rotate
Ah yes, the long-awaited very informative '1 REINHARDT TIP for EVERY SECOND KARQ PLAYS HIM ft. Flats (2021)'
LMAO this is an excellent comment
"That nano wasn't bad, THAT WAS WINNABLE."
It was about this point watching live that I just lost it. That revelation was hysterical.
I died when he called KarQ a "barely plat player" lmao.
It hurts hearing that as an insult😭
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we live in a susiety
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Lemme translate that to english💀💀💀💀💀
KarQ's giggling has me DEAD lmao this is great. Hilarious and educational as well. What a fantastic idea for a video!
"if you don't come back to me with 1 HP missing a leg," bro I died laughing 😆😆😆
As a low Plat tank main myself, I can tell you that the hardest thing by far is to not engage in a Rein duel. We don't go for squishies if there is another Rein in front of us. Nothing we can do about it. It's like a natural instinct or something about honor maybe?
I've had to learn to honestly just ignore the tank as a tank in order to make an impact on a squishy. Really hard to ignore the guy smacking you two feet away, but necessary
Tbh I get scarf of slam and him turning around and pinning me can 'y win a fight with my team on the ground or my ass to the wall
I feel like it's one of those "there can be only one" scenarios. mercys are famous for this* -- I'm a mercy player lol so I know exactly the instinct you're talking about -- but I think it applies to any role and any hero.
*I feel like I either need the other mercy to die or she's the only one I respect on the opposite team because game recognizes game lol. one time, the enemy mercy did alpha me after I juked her entire team, and I was like "mercy, you are the only one I respect" in match chat and she said "only a bad bitch can kill a bad bitch" and so we added each other after the match lmao
I can confirm that its an instinct to hit the other Reinhardt when the other one comit you need to comit back sometimes and it end up in a Reinhardt duel!
I prefer to Duel to establish dominance right away, like a boxer earning the respect of the other boxer. Then i start to some times ignore him
This is brilliant, pretty humanizing as well to see a GM player play Rein slightly worse than I do, *somehow* xD. But that's ok, it's a different mentality, a different playstyle, and it takes a different skillset to succeed at top form. It's just comforting to know you can always learn something even when you're a good player. Can't wait to see Flats' Ana roasted next ^^
yes!! exactly this. it goes to show exactly what you said, and for me, it always elevates my respect for my tanks and dps and helps me be less annoyed with them. when I play those roles, it's really hard for me! so when my tanks/dps don't play the way I hope, maybe it's because they're learning that role or maybe they're having an off day or maybe it's just because the role is hard and sometimes you struggle. it's very humanizing.
it also makes me feel more confident too in my own role. granted, I'm not GM, I'm in plat, so I'm a silver DPS lol and a gold tank, but still -- it makes me realize how important it is that I play well when I play support because I know how much I appreciate good supports and how much they enable me and how much confidence they give me on the other roles. I'm more aware of my own contributions, if that makes sense, even though they often go unsung because usually what I'm doing doesn't end up in the kill feed or in potgs.
TLDR I love this video and I love your comment
I think the community needs this more than anything. To have pros, teach other pros how to play different characters. Conceptually its brilliant
I genuinely prefer the educational stuff over the roasting/spectating stuff. I might be in the minority but that’s just me
I think it's really funny when its roasting people who can handle it. KarQ is a top 100 support player. He knows the game just not the character. Not the same as a Bronze player with 40 hours.
I find folks who prefer/only want educational stuff are lazy and selfish - Overwatch is done, the educational stuff is OUT THERE, Jayne's back catalogue, everything KarQs done etc. YourOverwatch continue to make advanced hero guides. You're not gonna get anything new from a streamer right now that wasn't already done more than 18 months+ ago. The roasting/spectating stuff is fun, the people know what they sign up for, they're supporting their favourite streamer by saying "hey - here's my shit, do your worst". People who want educational stuff are saying "I'm shit, too lazy to use a search bar, give me free stuff at the cost of your time and effort". :)
@@retrorevival1 lol wtf dude no reason to insult. Everyone has their own taste, I personally also like this instead of roasting. I don't like putting other people down just cause they are bad. It is better on my opinion to explain what could have be done better in a constructive way instead of "you moron! Don't do that!" Most of the time cause I'm a potato I have no idea what "that" is and it is nice to have a fun streamer describe "that". Yes, I know other people have it out there and I've tried watching but I find flats very fun so it is nice watching the educational content from him.
@@lalo135790 If you think my comment was insulting I genuinely hope you walk through life in a protective bubble because you're gonna need it.
He's roasting not trash talking, so to me I actually learn quite a lot watching his roasting videos, makes me not to make mistakes other does.
This video really highlights why Flats had such a high demand for his coaching and vods long ago. He offers wise advice and some very astute analysis. It also highlights how powerful the role of Tank in OW is and the decision tree. It truly is a different game mode that I've grown to appreciate and I feel worried we'll be losing some of that chess like game play from OW2 with the swap to 1 tank. Great video.
Nah. Tank just became harder is all. All those tanks players will still play tank their job just got much worse 🤣 which makes the role more fun as well
@@sleepyheartss main tanks didn't become harder, they just got powercreeped and became weaker. Off tanks are way too strong + double shield. Theres way too much damage nowadays, main tanks drop their shield or have it broken, they instantly melt
And hes funny
I love educational content like this, teaching the mentality and game sense. It's a massive gift to any viewers looking to improve, myself included.
It's one reason I watch ML7, because he does it so well, even managing to speak out much of his thought process while actively playing in a GM game
Flats being a wholesome homie to KarQ for 50 min. and 46 sec.
The roast , that became an Educational Roast ,love watching it on stream , I mean he was really nice when he did his part ,so Flats one completed the wholesome
KarQ keeps telling platchat that he can play every hero at a GM level. And then his Rein looks like this.
Emongg and flats is a great combo. Flats and Karq are just as good together. I love the Apex videos with the three of them (subbed to Flats 2? PogO) but this would be a great series to do. Flats vs. someone else’s main.
Ngl, this was just awesome.
Would love to see this once on a while.
Off to karqives now
I love this series! Id love to see this kinda stuff take place more often for sure. Flats reviewing all kinds of players reins, oh God that's amazing! Bonus, I've never seen someone rip karQ apart like that, it was done in such a good way I'm sure he learned a hell of a lot from this review.
Can I just say this helped so f-ing much. I am a Rein main and the best I've gotten is low gold and I'm trying to work my way back up. Figuring out positioning has been challenging granted I'm in lower ranks but this really helped.
As a low diamond rein one trick, a small tip that I believe I learned from flats, always throw fire strikes when you have the chance. 1 fire strike = 7% ult charge, always build that ult at every opportunity and be fearless but not suicidal.
@@Bro1212_ had a great fire strike tonight was almost at half off of it. I try to throw them as much as possible but I do need to get better at reading what the other Tank is going to do. Thanks man!
Where’s Karq one tip vs every hero Reinhardt(updated) ft flats
Yes. Just yes.
Yes
This is THE funniest video on this channel! I love the interactions and the Education mixed with roasts. Keep these up!
This is one of the BEST EVER Roast/Coaching you have done so far. THX! A lot - this video was litterly eye opening
I think the biggest takeaway for support players like myself who want to learn tank is that we have to unlearn our aversion to taking damage. that's a big part of playing support -- our job is to stay alive so we can help our teams. if we die, no one gets our healing, no one gets speed or damage boosted, etc.
but as a tank, you take damage. ideally you do what you can to reduce the amount of damage, but taking damage is inevitable. that's the job. you put yourself in harm's way intentionally. you bodyguard your team and the objective/space.
and! support players play with the mentality that we have 200hp and limited self-heal capacity. tanks have 400+hp and supports to heal them and provide other utility to reduce the damage they tank or disengage. for example, a Mercy regens health at 20hp per second after not taking damage for a second. without healing from the other support, that's what she's got. ideally she's not taking much damage in general, but that's what she has immediately at her disposal to heal. I use mercy as an example because I know her best.
but tanks have two supports. using Mercy as an example again, a Rein might have a Mercy who can heal him for 55 HP per second and heal through shields. with a health pool of 500hp plus that 55hp per second (outside of valk, which does 60 healing per second + chain heals which is AOE essentially), that's a lot of healing* coming in, even without a second support's utility and healing.
those resources allow for a completely different approach to team fights, but you have to take that approach, and it doesn't come naturally to support mains because we aren't practicing that style.
so to me, that's the biggest lesson from this. you can't play scared as a tank, you can't be afraid to take damage in the same way you need to be cautious as a support. that may seem like a 4Head thing to say because on paper, it's very obvious, but when it comes to very fundamental things when it comes to playing the game, it's much harder to do something different.
*"but mercy doesn't do much healing!!!" on paper, sure. but her healing is not resource based, unlike Moira and Brig. she does not need to aim to heal so there's no chance of missing once the beam is attached aside from beam breakage. she does not need to reload, so there's no downtime if she's holding beam on someone. and she can continuously heal through shields, and Zen is the only other support who can do that. she can also continue healing someone when they break LOS for an additional 1.75 seconds after they break LOS. I don't believe any other support can do that.
on paper, it's not as much as Ana's darts or Bap's shots when he hits targets directly (his splash healing is only 50, I believe), but in practice, she has the potential to do (and often does, in my experience, even when getting 2k+ damage boosted per 10min) a lot more healing than others when you account for these other factors.
This is both educational and heilarious at the same time. I love these types of videos man, because you learn a lot about the mantality and what to.not to do and also get laughs out of it too haha!
Best Flats video so far. Love the mix of humor and education. I know this type of vid is harder to make, but we want more like it!
This video got me so hyped that 12 hours later, when I was finally home and able, I logged on specifically to play main tank. And I went wild and had so much fun dominating other reins for a while.
And for the first time, I intentionally blocked an entire shatter with a zarya bubble (when I had to off tank), and a few fights later prevented a shatter simply by being in the enemy rein's face and refusing to bubble when I knew he had it
I laughed so hard at this video. I'm Loving this content series so much, thank you Flats and KarQ
"IF YOU DON'T COME BACK TO ME AT 1HP, LIMPING, MISSING A LEG YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR JOB"
Tank in one sentence
This is a really good educational video. All that thought process is explained. Hope to see more in the future!
My therapist: super flats ain't real he can't hurt you
SUPEr Flats: 16:06
I really love the introductions to these video Flats. You have a very warm and welcoming vibe, almost feels like we're friends 😂
I do love this series, it's always very interesting to watch how the gamesense of high level players transfers across to roles you haven't mechnically mastered yet, because it makes it obvious how clever *decisions* completely swing fights, rather than simply good aim/reflexes.
Honestly this is so much better than the roasting stuff. There being a new roasting video every day or two gets a little old, even if it's why flats has blown up. Would LOVE more of this
Aight I'll be honest this content got my attention. More of this please flats please 🙏
While this is less of a roast I'm glad you reviewed this vod and broke it down especially on this map where positioning is key especially on Rein and I like how you were teaching KarQ the Rein mind games. This felt very educational
this was really educational, definitely learned a few things rn
Yes yes yes, soo good video. And I'm hyped for it to be a series.
I've been watching you Flats for a bit, trying to pick up hiw to play, but this visit to your mind palace is just awesome. Thanks for that
Dont be a low ground larry, be a high ground hunk
both videos are funny and really educational, thank so much to both of you
Really liked the video, looking forward to the rest of the series! I think it works because Flats and KarQ are friendly with each other and so the roasts come off as joking/genuinely wanting to help learn. I think too often when people do the "roast" style of VOD review, it just ends up being bullying them for their mistakes. I think it's really cool how Flats points out the mistakes, goes over multiple ways of doing it differently, and says positive things when KarQ makes a smart play. KarQ is also really good about explaining his thought process, but not acknowledging his mistakes and not getting overly defensive.
tldr Great vid, Flats is a genuine teacher and KarQ a genuine student, makes for an awesome VOD review.
The lil "hehehe"s from karq are so cute. Lovin the mix of roast and info
Really great video. Lots of laughs as well as being the most educational Rein video I’ve seen
I need to get Flats to review my Reinhardt, I'd make him so mad he'd start screaming no cap
I loved the video, please make more of thoose kind of videos!
Can we please have more??? Also, your nades were on point, Flats!
there is absolutely nothing better than a well served flats roast! love it!
KarQ giggling because he knows in hindsight where he fucked up.
My Favourite Bit Is When
When ls when a rein sits there with shield up and looks wierd he has shatter
Its so true 🤣🤣
Loved the "yep goodbye" moment xD
The same reaction to KarQ, 'my brain just expande by a thousand'.
This is dope and fun and educational, I want more of this please algorithm :)
A great rule to have is that if you have an advantage, keep pushing for that advantage for as long as possible. Steamrolling and keeping the tempo in your team's side is a great way to utterly snowball the enemy team because you'll get ulti advantages, spawn advantages and stagger their team so they can't regroup in favourable positions or even shatter enemy team mentality. Snowballing in this game is very hard to stop at times. If you can trade and still keep the momentum on your team's side, it's still probably a good trade, barring dumb places like 2cp attack on second point where you have to keep bodies alive to contest the point. Ironically, 2cp's design exacerbates snowballing and it used to be even worse. If you die and lose momentum without trading anything, lives or ultimates, that's what we call feeding. Recognizing this is the make or break a main tank.
tld;dr: Hold W, not S
There is overly aggressive. Aggressive and safe. And then this ****
i love the roasting videos but i like the educational stuff every once in a while as well
Finally the flats coaching I have been looking for
This more in depth look at Maintank really makes me a bit scared of ow2 tank. Without the other tank enabling you lose the Maintank style and play in a more Offtank playstyle. I love playing off tank much more than main tank, but the idea of the Maintank style potentially going away is not one I like to think about. The buffed up tanks might help with the space creation and allow a more main tank style, but I've not played with the game yet so I can not quite think of how it would actually feel.
been waiting for this one
I have waited for this moment. For a long time
Everyone needs a friend like flats and karQ
I am but a humble casual overwatch player but I mostly play Lucio and I would love to see a video from a rein's perspective on what a rein wants a lucio to do. This was great to watch.
Loving the BOTW stable music in the back
Good video. KarQ is a first rate fellow btw, a gentleman among a horde of streamer beasts.
42:05 Oh man I laughed at that recap for like a full minute XD
Amazing series
Not only is he educating KarQ, he's educating me as well. Cheers Flats 👍
Easily the best video on Flats' channel.
This video was so educational it made me want to play rein more often :3
Next vid we need ML7 roasting his Ana...
9:36 "What is this? What the F is that?" (KarQ giggling) - "I'm making spaaace!"
...I love this video xD
lmao, I swear Flats' screams here sounded so high pitched sometimes they reminded me of an agitated rooster.
I've been waiting for this video!
Love to see new overwatch content and content creators doing new content with the lack of content blizzard provides
so excited for this content
it really does show the real big difference between support and tank. support mains really do have no idea on the frontline. when to be aggro when to be passive etc etc. im not that good but as someone playing support almost every game, survival really is ingrained rather taking the aggro or tracking the enemy rather than your team more intensely. that really shows how each are different
I'm only 15 mins in but my work production has tanked. I'm in tears
Please keep this content coming ✊🏼
KarQ: mistakes were made but ultimately we were out played
Flats: THIS IS WHY WE LOST?!?!?!?!?! 🤣🤣🤣
Please do this again, As a non main tank player, I have always aspired to be a better one. This shit is what will make that come true
TIME TO LEARN RIEN I GUESS
This is the best damn series.
4:04 can we talk about cool the rein clash looked
Flats this video has blown my mind!!
Super Saiyan Flats made me lose it haha
It's always a 'goodie' apparently
Not bad for a Moira 1 trick
Hey flats, i have been playing overwatch for almost a year from now and am a tank main. I first started out as a silver rein and am now a flex tank player in low to mid plat . Climbing in the ranks was tough but i eventually managed to get to where i am current am now. However, ive played games in my current elo and i have noticed that games are much more harder than im used to in high gold. I dont know what to really improve on and it feels like the level of difficulty is much higher than im used to. Every game ive played so far has left me wondering that if im just not that knowledgeable on tank or its my team or some other reason. Is there much more to tank or is there a limit to what you can do on the role. I am so lost on if i can improve.
Finally it’s here
I absolutely love these videos, huge fan of the roasting bronze and shit, but I'm a silver tank player myself, so these types of videos really let me see in hindsight the preventable situations I've been in.
the thing with KarQ is that he's scared of dying from getting shot at by 1 player while not fully comprehending he has a dedicated healer and a bigger healthpool so he doesn't understand how to leverage that to his advantage, like it's ok to get shot at by some enemies for a bit of time while counterplaying the big threat that can kill you really fast.
the second thing most likely is how aggressive you have to be as rein, rein is the only tank that wants to walk up to people into their face.
a good analogy for reinhardt is if you compare him to a grapple character in fighting games, he's basically zangief.
the second thing about tanks in general is that you probably will be pretty useless in some situations and the best thing you could try and do is fight until you die, either for more ult charge or for taking maybe someone down or getting them low enough so that your team can finish up.
tanks generally go in first and also die first, that's just a fact so do the most with that as you can basically.
and honestly this is not a plat reinhardt performance, maybe low gold perhaps, however the skill inflation due to the lack of tanks, then yeah maybe this is plat rein.
but yeah KarQ don't know how to recognize strong positions or good pathing because he haven't gone too aggressive ever to know where he should dial it down.
sas
me got my coffee and a 50 min ed vid lets go, Love you Flats keep up the awesome
I’m a tank main but I’m an off tank player. There’s so much that goes into main that I have such a hard time with. If I HAVE to play main tank, I play sigma and make him a sort of main for the match
Coaching, roasting... Roaching.
Ive been pretty hard stuck on tank around 2800… ill be taking notes, i mostly play off tank but i like to try and adapt, my rein aint the best so im v interested in this
I would love to see u doing that whit someone like Kephrii or wanted
KarQ: I need to stay alive to heal my team.
Flats: I need to make room for my team to get kills, even if I die for it.
KarQ as Rein: So... I have a shield!.... I can STAY ALIVE. How do tanks ever die?!
This meal sounds like the Neil Degrass Tyson thing 3:25
flats is losing his mind and karq is just laughing his ass off
Honestly, one question I've been dying to know for awhile. Who's job is it to make sure the cart keeps moving, unless it's a big important team fight? Who cart sits while their team is making space? What kind of hero needs to be on that?
Depends on the map and team comp. For example maps with large open areas your hit scans or Ana/zen should be on it.
Usually a long ranged hero who can do their job from further away is great on cart duty. If no hero like that exists, it's fine for dps/off support/off tank to sit on the cart, while the tanks/main tank push forward and the healer who does more heals goes with them to keep everyone topped off. If your ulti meter is full and your teammates don't have ultis, it's fine to go sit on the cart because they can still build theirs from hitting the enemy and lose less from cart pushing and afking behind. Sometimes you want the players not required for the next fight (ulti combos) to sit on the cart so rest of your team can do a play if enemy team lets them push that far ahead of the cart (thought usually one should fight on the cart with all 6 people). Lastly, if none of the above holds true and nobody sits on cart cuz they forgot it exists... someone has to push it, might as well be the player who notices that cart needs to be pushed.
Not gonna lie, been watching you vids for some time now....nice shirt. I am subbed now...
Bruh, last couple rein videos he's shattered into shield and he says "I haven't shattered into shield in ages" hahahaha