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Honestly the fix to the problem of feeling overwhelmed all the time is to literally keep playing the game. If you keep playing and playing you will eventually get used to the game, and your reaction speed and game sense will improve. If you wanna get better you gotta put in the time.
In 5v5 you will become less overwhelmed aswell
Honestly if this person watches ml7's unranked to GM series (on any of the heroes) he will also get allot more understanding of when to rotate, what are good spots to be in as a support, who to nano to turn a fight etc.
If your struggling on support or just haven't watched them yet, go check them out. They are very informative, well structured and he does a good job of highlighting why he won or lost, why he did this or that via vod review of his own gameplay.
Also to get more understanding of tanks or just get more gamesense also check out yeatles unranked to GM series. He doesn't vod review but he talks about why he does this or that, what his plan of the next fight is etc.
@@Siks7Ate9 Exactly! You can get more than only enjoyment from watching streamers. I personally learnt a lot watching ml7 on Ana, from when to be agressive to how to position yourself on maps. Great way to learn but most importantly just play the game and think what could you have done differently to save someone or not to die, then being in a similar situation do it.
I should say this most of the reason why I think some people including me doesn’t really have gold guns is because stressed
Agreed, audio Q's, positioning, resource management, ultimate tracking, hero synergies and counters. And at the end of all that, you have to hit your shots.
Honestly the "Stop reloading after two shots" thing is incredibly useful because I used to be the person who would reload when I still had like half a magazine because I got one kill but the fight was on going. Incidentally what helped me stop that habit was playing Borderlands 2 as Gaige who has a mechanic where reloading early will just make you lose all your built up DPS boosting stacks.
That mechanic would make me crazy when looting (whyyy was it bound to the same button used to pick things up??) but was so much fun. Good idea!
Ah yes. Good ole anarchy
It's fair advice. But I think it's also important to start engagements with a full clip -when you can-. Which sometimes even means reloading at 11 bullets when no one is in danger. Like in poking phase, as flats mentioned.
What has helped me not reload early in every game was getting caught out in siege over and over because I’d reload with half a magazine when a single bullet can kill.
Anarchyyyyyy
Re: the confidence issue, it seems like the fear of messing up (and especially “letting teammates down”) is a really common issue for players who are new to the game or new to the ranked mode. IMO, this is pretty heavily reinforced by other players in-game, who are much more likely to give negative feedback than positive, and crowd-sourced advice (e.g. on Reddit), which often focuses on “mistakes” to avoid. “Don’t waste your ult”, “don’t overextend”, “don’t be a healbot”, “stop DPS-ing”, “don’t feed”, “don’t commit to lost fights”, “unbind Charge”, etc. But those pieces of advice all encourage inaction of some kind, and if you never try to take that action and experience success or failure, you’ll never actually learn how to find balance and use your abilities effectively.
It's tricky. The mistakes to avoid is supposed to encourage ACTIVE THINKING midgame and midfights, but I totally get why it sounds like it's encouraging inaction. Thinking actively midgame to balance dps/heal, when to ult etc is important.
@@fredericabernkastel8354 Yeah, I just think it works better to talk about what you _should_ be doing, and how to think about your role in the composition.
@@ClaraBennett yeah, might be one step ahead
Yeah, Overwatch community is toxic as hell. Similar to Leage of Legends and Counter Strike.
fr, even if something seems obvious on paper - like don't walk into the open when there's a sniper, don't leave your team in the middle of a fight to reposition, dOn'T oVeR eXtEnD (which literally means nothing to a new player who has 0 positioning knowledge) - you'll never actually commit that to gameplay unless you are punished for it. In the end you'll just learn to "play safe" (which ironically will end with you not being in control and dying more often), then you'll be hard stuck because you're not creating opportunities for your team to win and it won't be fun (and you'll switch from Ana to Moira or something).
You're going to throw a lot of games when you're new and even when you've been playing alot, but the more you throw the more you grow (accidentally rhymed). Just look at Awkward, the number 1 support player. Every single time you see a clip where he dies he immediately critiques himself. When it comes to improving at the game literally just play the game and see what works, taking some time to learn good positioning on all the maps also helps.
Confirmation Nano has saved me from nano'ing the Mercy or Lucio that darts in front of me so many times. Also, yeah, ML7 uses it. He has a video on why it's useful- the main one is cornering. It's extremely helpful with Genji's. Start the confirmation before they dart towards the team and then nano when blade goes off.
Yeah, after ML mentioned about using it. I gave it a second go and it’s pretty nice actually. Saved a few nano’s going to the wrong person.
i've nano'd the wrong person so many times when someone gets in my way or when they suddenly group up. plus it stops me from ulting accidentally. once i heard ML7 used it, i felt a little better keeping the setting on
I always feel so bad for snagging the nano as mercy or Zen. Whoops!
@@zadinal I'd rather a Zen get nano than most DPS, if I'm being honest. He melts people with a pocket.
@@Koby5649 while totally true(hehe) typically in my rank nano is used as a holy shit save the tank way. So I still feel guilty
I fucking died at the Winston jumping off the map 💀💀💀
he died too
15:21 for the beauty
i did the exact same thing just a couple of weeks ago and had to check that it wasnt my nametag
The fact there was a counter pin at 800 sr is impressive honestly
I like these nicer more educational vod reviews because I can learn something from them too (even though i don't play ana, I still learn things about the game). Bronze games are cool and all but it would be cool to also see some higher sr games like plat cuz that's where I mostly play.
I mentioned this in a different comment, but if your playing support, check out ml7's unranked to GM series on any of the support. They are really good. If your a tank player, yeatles unranked to GM series on tank are good to.
A different thing I just thought of, there are probably plat scrims/teams you could find online, you could ask if you could spectate their game and join their discord call so you could learn something of their decision making/plans to win the fights.
@@Siks7Ate9 I know there are ways to get advice if I really wanted it. The thing is I play ow just for fun because at the end of the day it's just a video game and the point is to have fun so I don't really care that much about climbing or sr you know. I also have watched most of ml7's unranked to gm videos on all the supports which were entertaining and helpful to watch. I am a mercy otp for reference so yeah lol. I generally find it hard to carry on support because say I'm pocketing a dps but if they're not getting much value then I feel just as useless as them basically.
@@glitchym1017 that's fine:) I feel the exact same way. Rank or SR I really don't care about except that the high plat games are more fun to play imo then in low gold games because of the level of play/coordination is better. Even if I would be playing in bronze as long as the gameplay is not frustrating then I'd be fine with playing in bronze.
@@glitchym1017 it is just a game and for fun unless it's comp
That mode is for people who want to play at higher casual level eventually having it's just for fun mindset in comp is not ideal.
At 17:08 the Rein sleep was such a perfect set up I was on the edge of my seat desperately hoping for it and when he came through my soul was making the same sound that Flats made. God tier moment for this newbie.
love the more supportive flats in this video, especially for support mains they deserve it
The confirmation nano has a line of sight mechanic that allows nanos to go through walls. For instance, you can choose your Winston, he jumps way out of sight, and then you can confirm the nano while you're in cover. I believe the distance is increased as well, so you can pick your Hammond on Junkertown pt 1 and confirm the nano all the way down the map as long as you have LOS.
played this game since OW1 launch i never knew that existed
As someone who reloads a million times for no reason I’m gonna say it, it’s reflexive XD I wish I could stop BUT I CANT😭😭
Agreed, I picked up this habit from COD years ago and I still can't drop it😅
Just unbind your reload button
@@xD-yc8hk 4Head
Cod player
@@xD-yc8hk I just play rein so there’s nothing to reload
Ana is the best and toughest hero in OW to master. She can shutdown every other player while making plays at the same time. Still trying to master it myself. This was informative for me too, great video.
she can also 1v1 torrburnes turrent and win
She’s super fun and rewarding when played right but if u don’t it’s punishing as hell. I would re watch some of my matches and think “what was i doing”. 😂
I would say a really good widow is also up there.
Although I rather see a widow smurf then a ana smurf against me in my games because otherwise basically nothing dies and if they do they just nano the rein or whatever and win the fight regardless.
I do find that playing ana and doing really well is extremely satisfying when your able to fend off flankers or whatever for yourself. If your able to do that again and again it's immensely impactful. Also sleeping Genji blades is so much fun xD
@Axel Munn yep, and if u play 2 shields or just a wrecking ball or something else that puts pressure on her entire time she can't do that the entire time. Eventually they get tired and swap. A smurf ana u wont kill because they are able to fend for themselves, play good positioning and get nanoes way faster then a opposing ana so even if u kill her it took you so many resources to kill her that the nano she threw before she died wins them the fight anwyays.
Your dps need space to kill stuff, tanks make that space but since the tanks will lose the tank matchup because the ana farms nanoes or just outheals the other 1 you won't win those often enough to win teamfights/get enough cart distance for example to win.
@@Siks7Ate9 widow is probably the easiest hero of them all. I will take Tracer as the contender but Widow is absolutely the bottom barrel when it comes to requiring more than one skill/mechanic for a hero.
Heeeey, this is me. I didn't realize that it was so noticeable that my mousepad was Tiny until you pointed it out. I actually started playing Overwatch on my girlfriend's computer and when I got the game myself ported her sensitivity/keybinds to my game. The only thing is my girlfriend has a big desktop mousepad and aims with her arm and I have a tiny mousepad and aim with more of my wrist. As for my positioning and whatnot, I didn't know any of the maps which is why I tried not to wander too much from where I initially start playing at but also why I do stupid shit like get confused. BUT! Recently, my friends have been hopping into custom games with me and walking me around the map so I know what kind of jumps/positions Ana can do and where all the health packs are which has made me feel better about decision making. Thanks a lot for the review and the advice!!! (Also, in the beginning, the Orisa hadn't picked yet and so I was waiting for her, but then she just materialized in the front and I was left looking like the fool I am.)
Hi! Just wanna say that you're showing a lot of potential. Just keep playing!
I wish owl would do a bronze league hahaha i would seriously pay to watch it lol.
Well you will get hours of content if they both play wrecking ball in ow2 they will be immortal lol. The objective will be stalled forever xD
You can’t really do that because there’s no real way to tell who’s REALLY bronze. Also if they improve while playing together and get to silver then what happens? Lol
@@ozylocz4078 then your watching casters to masters xD
I really do enjoy your reviews on bronze players, Flats. You were very informative and lovely to this player. Keep up the amazing content!
2:00 They say hind sight is 20/20 but you still missed that they were healing themselves 😅 Keep up the good work Flats ❤️
For some reason this is one of the most wholesome vids on the channel, just like the bronze dad, you can see that they're trying their best.
I love the energy in this video, so wholesome and it gave me Gordon Ramsay with kid chefs vibes 😂 we love supportive flats
This video is amazing. I hope you make some more like this! The reloading tip is great. I used to do this, but I’ve been much more aware of how many I have left and if it’s a good time to reload. Makes a huge difference
There's absolutely hope for this one, so long as they get the experience and grow more aware of their surroundings and teammates!
ML uses nano confirmation and did a whole video about why you should use it and it reduces whiffed nanos. He still whiffs them sometimes and it makes it 100% funnier lol
Speaking on being overwhelmed it’s the sole reason I slept on OW for the first year it was out. I played a couple qp games on my brother acc back then and there was so much going on that I didn’t want to play. Now, ironically, the chaos of the game and the huge team fights are why I love OW. OW is amazing.
On 2nd point, it's important to remember high ground let's you shoot over shields and very often gives you a different angle. You can use your nade aggressively or your sleep. If you see a low hp target you can finish them off. You can heal but you are not a healer. Dps is a dps, a tank is a tank, and a support is a support. Never be afraid to pop someone who is in a bad position because you might force them out of the fight and give your team the advantage.
Watching a top 500 player of the heroes you play is probably a good way to improve with that hero. I know this because watching emmong and flats play tanks has helped me get closer to getting out of bronze. Also watching your own replays helps too. Confidence is also my biggest problem as well
I agree with you, but to learn from them you will need a understanding of why/what they are doing. I don't think this person is there yet. Also check out yeatles unranked to gm tank series. I was hardstuck silver on tank, I watched those till like masters. Same season I went to 2450, next season i was high plat. (Been there for past 10 seasons)
From personal experience playing dps in gold/silver the most important thing in that elo as a tank is to help secure key positions for your dps like highground.
Sometimes all you need to do as tank is go dva and keep your squishy's alive in that rank or to give them a good position to pop off. If enemy plays phara mercy, concider swapping to dva and matrix the hitscan on your team or shoot the mercy once every second so she cannot regen health.
The reason I mention this is because in this rank ppl die on cooldown, not only your teammates but enemies aswell. if you keep yours from dying less you win more teamfights.
1:44 Flats makes a Bastion noise right after he says "everyone's gone".
On the mouse stuff, Jayne put out a good video that I like. A full movement from left to right on your mouse should turn you 180. I found that's a really nice amount of movement that might be helpful to you.
This helped me out a lot on my own game. Please do more like this.
Thank you Flats for being kind to this guy and giving helpful basic advice
I notice how when he’s not in a fight he hits shots well, it’s definitely being overwhelmed I think
Love you’re stuff flats I’m always watching and every vid is a absolute banger
4:20 Obviously the fix to overwhelming/panicking is just to play more, but for supports in particular, I'd actually look a bit at FFA. It seems counterintuitive (you obviously don't have to care about teammates) but the sheer chaos of FFA forces you to start learning 1v1 matchups, start aiming under heavy pressure, start finishing off your fights quick, picking out easy targets to take out... etc. More than that, it gets you used to high stress, which is kind of the hallmark of playing support most of the time.
Disclaimer, you still need to learn things like positioning, coordination, and literally everything to do with healing by just... playing the game. But it's a lot easier to focus on those things when you don't panic and die the second you start getting flanked or focused. It's also a lot easier to balance damage and healing when you're confident enough in your mechanics to, you know, do some damage.
Jayne used to say "You don't use Nades to make up for your bad aim...aim better don't waste your nades"
I feel like one thing I'm noticing with this ana is that she just doesnt use cooldowns, offensively or defensively. The other bronze ana will actually be proactive and toss anti nade every time the tanks start bashing their heads into each other, while the one we're watching doesn't do anything until the other team is already at a big advantage on the frontline
The APM thing is something that got me a full rank back when I was trying to get out of gold.
Just doing more and forcing myself to move faster - even if I was making the wrong choices - meant I was outpacing the enemy and I was helping my team more often, despite also making mistakes more often.
With a little bit of time, you get used to the pacing as well and just start making less mistakes over time.
"I know youre new because you fire two bullets then reload!"
me, playing since launch, reloading after 2 shots: 💀
I love the way Flats critiques. He's harsh, but not wrong or mean. It's clear that he just wants this player to succeed
I use Confirm to Nano because on console my aim is so bad I would nano the wrong person so often when they're in a group. It helps me so much being more consistent, in addition to the "nano around corners" tech
When they shot their dead Rein, I lost it. 🤣
I would also add in that ana's hipfire shots are projectile and scope is hitscan. A lot of newer players don't know that.
Flats is like gordon ramsey, he tempers his roast depending on the subject
A trick for Nanos is tap tab and check ults for your team before your team gets into a fight and pick 1 person and watch for them to ult or if they don't ult you can force them at lower elos to ult by just nanoing them. The only way you can learn to trust your choices on who to nano and when is to make mistakes and examine why it was a mistake. Sometimes you nanoed the right target and your teammate just panicked. That won't be the reason everytime but you do have to be aware that sometimes it happens. I use to nano Cass, hog, rein. Those were my main 3 targets I looked for climbing. High charge zarya is a good one too. Those 4 with nano so long as they are popping already will carry a fight. Your rein is being aggro all game, you can make his feeding turn into a big play but you will only learn to read how a fight is going by adding your input and seeing how things happen afterwards so take a chance on your own decision making skills and they will start to improve.
Also the only time I let my teammates call my nano is if it's like a genji going to blade and I need to know when he is going to dash. That's still me calling I want to nano him for blade, we are just working out timing together.
BTW don't nano tanks before they are actually engaged. It heals so you can bait the other rein into a fight with your rein and nano him and heal all the damage he just took and he will roll the other rein. If you nano before the fight actually kicks off people will just back away and cc the hell out of him.
Reloading after a bullet is a clear sign of a Call of Duty player. I did that when I moved from CoD to OW when the game released and I'd always reload after a shot or two.
Unscoped = projectile
Scoped = hitscan
^ the biggest reason to scope more
I love spectating bronze so much
It's these spectating bronze videos and kings row that give me a reason to keep going
Btw nano confirm can allow nano through walls for about 2ish seconds, you don't need to look at them to nano, can save missclicks/ nanoin wrong person and allows a pre lock when ya trying to lock in a nano on maybe a nano blade to make sure its not fkd up. Same thing with echo ult
This was a nice vid :’) I’m still hella new to ow, got into it in season 2 of ow2’s bp. I def lack the confidence/aim/calmness to be able to play my boys reaper/76 but tbh it is just a matter of practice and throwing yourself into it. Ofc people being mean is discouraging but you can hide chat
Ow2 will go free to play. The key to free to play success is player sleanring how thier characters and abilities work. Apex is successful becuase it's firing range is very well done. Ow need a tutorial for each character about abilities and how they work.
The current ow tutorial uses the easiest character in the game and teaches nothing about how an actual match works.
watch a karq vid and it will inform you everything
When u play ana I have nano conformation on but double tap on targets that I know I'm hitting with it. Also that last sleep dart was unfortunate. Aiming for the genji but dies and the zen is just perfectly on the other side of the wall.
He's definitely played cod zombies I got the same reload habit 😂
Would just like to interject on the "blind leading the blind" it totally worked for stick and daredevil, it's based on superheroes and you are that in overwatch.
15:07 I think they were trying to cut through the building. lol
this guys looked so confused. And yes i believe he's overwhelmed by all the actions around him. I was lucky to pick up OW back in 2016 when it first launched, where everyone was new and learning. we forged our senses day by day since then by playing more.
The best thing you can do is unbind your reload button, in fact I rebound R to primary attack. now everytime muscle memory forces me to reload I just shoot some more.
The nade is a fight winner if used correctly. In lower ranks Anas miss their shots so hit the panic heal nade when it's not needed taking the anti out of the equation.
I've been playing since launch and didn't even know confirmation nano existed
honestly the constant reloading feels like a tick from TF2 I used to have myself, especially since in TF2 you had auto-reload available
I use confirm nano and i'm in diamond. If i don't have it on i am always the guy who has a lucio jump in front to steal the nano. Also on console it can be annoying at times trying to pick the right target out of a crowd, so you can select before the engage.
Tbh a way to stop the sim problem is to know what you should aim for in the first place, like what are the superior targets, for example a low rein and a low dva, who is superior to heal? If rein is save and dva isn’t, then dva, if both are low, rein since dva has a „second life“ and rein could possibly save dva with his shield, and the first example vice versa, you gotta know who to heal or when to do damage in certain situations, of course sometimes you do the wrong decision, but that way you learn
I think it would be great to have more videos from the other ranks.
You literally so casual funny I love your roast bronze players your just cool to chill laugh and watch thanks keep up the great work/subscribe too 👍
I wonder if there is an Orisa video out there where they reload every 2 shots... Maybe a bastion? Cause you know even with 150-300 bullets you gotta reload right?
damn, you should see me playing with ana cofirm nano and subtitles on
I use confirmation nano as well 🤣🤣🤣 do you know how many times I've nano'd a mercy flying to heal my nano target?!
i can hear that lovely botw music in the background
Im diamond and i even spam reload on sigma lmaooo its a habit i formed in middle school from the glory days of cod 😂😂😂
“Why are you on a leisurely stroll?” @14:09 I literally fucking cried laughing
Could part of the aiming issue be holding the button down to keep firing instead of choosing when to fire each shot?
I had a teammate Ana once, in gold, who did not know that they could shoot to heal. They thought shooting can only do damage and only nade heals. There is definitely hope for this player lol
This is much better to watch for me. But that Doomfist standing still behind the wall that Ana here really wanted to heal, I could just see them standing there and in a panic and either on or off mic going "Heal me heal me heal me!" but not getting the concept that you need line of sight to a support to get those heals.
I've played Ana for years and never knew about confirmation Nano....I must experiment with this!
As for this Ana, try to save the nade more for playmaking or necessary burst healing and you'll become more impactful. With Nano, look for tips from Ana/support mains like mL7 and KarQ. They have videos that detail good targets to nano in aggressive pushes and what situations are good for saving nano to save your teammate.
The hyper low levels especially is just a fend for yourself and improve your own skills, its only when you get in Plat and above that you start focusing on the team tactics more.
21:36 This taught me to be proactive after a fight. Now since I usually play tank once we end a team fight I move forward to take up a defensive position to poke and my team usually follows. Low Rank Tanks! Get confident and become leaders! Don’t force your supports to lead the team!
Been relearning Overwatch and the reloading problem is just a case of conditioning, in almost every other fps it's kind of an education by trauma thing to reload constantly, then you come to overwatch and it just flips all the rules. Baptiste has been my lesson in "don't reload until you HAVE to reload" because if I'm reloading I am not healing or shooting
Great Ana tip: Set yourself up in doorways and hallways. Then you can duck down away into cover and if an enemy comes from you then you force them into a window you can sleep dart them easily.
I came to this game as a destiny 2 player and my main gun was hawkmoon, so reloading has always been a no go
Ana is my most played and this hurts to watch. I usually get 1 nano out before my Genji has blade, then I will almost always have the 2nd nano ready for my Genji when he gets it.
the biggest advice for a support.. keep doing something useful. if everyone is fairly high health, shoot enemies, if they're low, heal. if there's a small lull in the fighting, find a better vantage point. keyword in that phrase is useful. always be thinking, is this helping the team, only me, or no one.
I swear you’ve changed the title like 3 times, I keep clicking on this thinking it’s a different video lmao
Flats. long time follower here. this is my favorite video of you so far. I don't know but I think I prefer the friendly, helpful flats over the roaster flats. I have a question/ request. Could you please address what it\s like to go from overwatch to valorant and also to Apex? becasue I have a long OW playtime but the other two feels intimidating because I know nothing
At 11:13 I feel sorry for genji for once because it looked like he was shot where the sun don't shine by Ana's sleep dart xD
You should work on quick scoping. When you see the outline of your scope on your screen before the scope actually comes up you can fire a scoped round. This is useful because unscoped shots are projectiles and your scoped shots are hitscan. It makes it a bit easier to hit your shots and when you need to duel someone your scoped rounds do more damage than unscoped ones.
10:34 cheeses,why doing that sleep
I used to hold onto nanos, but now im out here handing them out like candy at halloween
I think this was their the first time they got this map. If not the 1st either the 2nd or 3rd time they got this map. It'd explain why they'd look back on the garden map
i love these videos, they allways make me laugh and smile, it s soo funny :) your comments are the best 🙃
Omg dude😅, thats what I do. Its such a bad habit to reload after anything happens, I need to fix it tbh. At least I'm never out of ammo though haha
20:14 i assume all overwatch league player uses this too I know jjonak and twilight use it
wholesome flats, I'm here for it
Hey flats, been a fan for a while now and you have inspired me to stream more and climb out of bronze and now silver, I also main rein a lot now and have gotten as good as a mid gold can do on rein. But how could i get a vod review partner? I have 2 friends who play ow still but they are plat and also gold, and I like watching streamers to learn but I want someone who knows what their doing. What do you think I should do?
i playing with nano confirmation for since day one when i buyed overwatch and I can't praise it enough
The zen sleep through the wall was really weird
The way I learned when to nano with Ana was moving with my team into the fight
This is very wholesome!
I don't play support that often and whenever I do I am usually playing Moira with my duo on Lucio, Hence this video wasn't so good for me to use to improve my gameplay. Though, it was still a good video and I enjoy watching these types of videos
1:22 just waiting for the team to regroup. A bit confused, but she got the spirit!
flats should do an overwatch meme review
I might have to start using Nano confirmation.
NOOO why did the conversation cut I wanted to hear why you thought support was v hard in OW2, I played the beta and had such a hard time adjusting!
anyone knows whats flats playlist? i love the background music he has