The New DARK AGE of Animation | Diagnosis Insanity
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- Are you a fan of animated content? Well, your opinion doesn't matter I guess...
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Introduction: (0:00)
Warner/Discovery Media: (2:21)
Disney: (7:14)
Netflix: (11:40)
Franchise Animation: (15:05)
The Anime Industry: (18:22)
Voice Actor Pay: (23:42)
Conclusion: (26:06)
#hbomax #chainsawman #disneyplus - Krátké a kreslené filmy
The fact that corporations don't seem to understand- or don't want to understand- that the line can't go up forever is honestly baffling and terrifying to me. These rich people are so disconnected from reality that they can't understand why something is popular, only that it is.
Yeah there's always been a stupid level of disconnect
@@DrLockdown There should be a rebellion against the upper class, even if means going into an all out civil war.
Capitalism is like a combine harvester working poorest to richest.
I'm as shocked about it myself...
@@BlitzkriegOmega Once Communism comes (hopefully not) it will be far worse.
Capitalism ain't perfect, but there's a good reason why the foundations of it are the boogieman incarnate of the contemporary world...
I wish for more adult animation like League of Legends and Primal who don’t treat their audience like idiots.
Do not forget Inside Job
And Blood of Zeus
Invincible, Castlevania and Love, Death + Robots too.
@@zemox2534 actually "Inside Job" is a bit too comedic based.
Agreed, were all big boys here who can handle not having the plot and worldbuilding handed to us on a silver platter. I much prefer the way Arcane starts right in the middle of a horrifying situation with no immediate explanation of the characters, world or story. This scene really sets the tone for the show moving forward and immediately gets you interested in whats happening.
Yeah the dark age of animation is starting to become worse hell even manga artists/authors are literally taking a break because of the stress from doing everything
No, japan has had systemic issues with mangaka and animator burn out since the 80s, it has never really gotten any worse or better.
@@ChaoticMartian Oh well it makes sense but I didn't know it was that bad since the 80's
@@kariqdatmenace6642 no its always been that way, people just see it now because it happens in the west lol
I think another thing that makes me a little upset is that because the animated shows that came out before with lack luster story telling being the thing that gave them the axe the new people who want to make more story oriented shows are basically screwed unless those properties are tied to some big toy or media company
Even then there is no guarantee a show would continue. Young Justice was cancelled because of poor toy sales
I don’t remember any toys being sold for young justice. I thought the reasoning behind the shows cancellation was that the suits were mad at the largely female/teenage audience that had manifested instead of the “Boys 8-12” crowd the executives wanted.
@@BlitzkriegOmega while I had heard about that honestly don't know it that was a reason or no. In my own opinion that sound right to me.
What I know for sure is that I saw the action figures myself in the clearance section
I think the issue with earthspark is that it’s stuck on a platform no-one uses. I mean, the biggest attention it got was a tweet with 13k likes with the scene of Meg’s piledriving novastorm with his cannon. The show needs to focus more on its action and it’s bots than it’s humans to get more attention.
There’s still a whole 2nd half of the 1st season to be released and all the other toys they’re yet to reveal. At this rate they just need to drip-feed or drop the last 16 episodes, more of the toys, go harder with the marketing and hope it works out cus hasbro’s really banking on earthspark and rise of the beasts doing a lot of the heavy lifting for what’s likely to be an economically disastrous 2023.
Heck, that’s not even talking about RoTB’s potential to flop with it having to make at least 500 million in the box office to turn a profit with a cast who’s only really notable draw-in actors are Peter Dinklage, Ron Perlman and Anthony Ramos. I think it looks good for the most part but it’s trailer is being beaten by Guardians of the Galaxy 3 at the moment. Transformers in 2023 has a lot riding on its shoulders, not only just the franchise’s own fate but if both earthspark and RoTB fail then it could cripple Hasbro for years to come.
It's also on nickelodeon.
@@DrLockdown I said the exact same thing about the dub of Danball Senki (LBX: Little Battlers eXperience), but the issue with THAT is that the show was death-slotted. No kid is going to be up at 6:30 am on a Saturday. and checking my schedules for Earthspark, it is not on Nickelodeon at all. at least not in my country (USA). It's a Paramount Plus exclusive, and I simply can't afford all of these bullshit streaming services. I'd pirate, but that helps nobody in that regard.
Actually everyone in the Transformers Discord agrees it does the balance with humans great and they aren't boring unlike other series. It's been the best transformers series in a while
@@jarodnole4618 it’s not that it doesn’t balance it well, it does; the issue I see is that the focus on the humans doesn’t attract very many people to it, and a larger focus on the robots with cast a much wider audience imo
@@somerelativleyuninterestin4763 It's mostly the designs and obscurity of HBO Max that throw people off
Megas XLR was also used as a Tax Write Off.
I feel like with CZcamsrs and Twitter users, there could be a push to highlight these overlooked animations. That is, we always seem keen to highlight the problem but hardly seem to try to alleviate it.
It's not quite that simple, effective solutions are simply out of the hands of social media personalities. on a personal anecdote, I haven't heard of the new transformers show until I saw a snippet on discord because I'm just not a demographic that can be reached via these methods. Mainly because I don't want to be; I go out of the way to keep my youtube feed to be interests and not advertisements, and I refuse to touch twitter with a 10 foot pole. The point of me saying this is that there is an upper limit of social media reach if the goal is to get people to watch a program if they don't commit to a level of outreach that people would pay marketing firms to do.
but the bigger problem is that many if not all of these animations are tied to an exclusive platform. Between other interests I put money into, I do not have the money to maintain every possible streaming service that has any given animation content I may or may not be interested in. and I do not want to dedicate time to schedule subscriptions when it can be spent in more engaging interests. And this has been a problem going for years, too much content is in the form of a greater subscription that any one work is inherently devalued. Cause in the grand scheme of things, 20$ for a season of an animation isn't a bad purchase. but 20$ a month for netflix for example devalues the worth I would have for, say, cyberpunk. since I'm not valuing it for the one show, I'm putting everything else to value, as it will seem like a waste if I don't use it for anything else, as I only have access to the one show I like for so long. It's not a mindset we can avoid, especially when money's tight for people these days.
any real solutions that can salvage the situation would have to involve a solution similar to what itunes did to music or steam did to gaming. But that requires a Steve Jobs or Gabe Newell to enter the animation and movie distribution market.
The "Dark Age of Animation" reminds me of a time I said "This has been a Dark Age for movies, games (Well games not entirely) and shows" in a comment section of a review video about a certain thing, I forgot what the video was about
The Dark Age of video games was 2006-2013. Things are far from perfect now, but they're a hell of a lot better than they were then.
For now,
But you're right since well
We got some good shit like God of War: Ragnarök
@@AdamDeOldSport I don't see video games sinking to their 7th generation lows any time soon. The AAA publishers might, but indie scene is too strong for that.
@@mightyrobot42 True
@@mightyrobot42
Despite not being a gamer myself, (not a hard core one at least,) I am beyond fascinated by how indie games have become so popular they are now standing shoulder to shoulder with AAA!
And regardless of what you may think of the creator, Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss both proved that animation can and DOES have the ability to be both indie and successful!
I seriously believe, that in contrast to the industry, we might finally be entering a golden age of INDIE animation!
It’s still too early to tell, but with projects like BoxTown, (still being worked on) Monkey Wrench, (pilot episode out on Newgrounds and here on YT. and Interface, (full completed series out on Newgrounds and YT!) among many others I’ve heard are in the works, I feel we might be seeing more and more creators going indie, and more fully realized projects being able to see the light of day!!!
I know it’s all easier said than done, and an animated series and games aren’t exactly the same thing, even if they are similar on the surface.
But I’m at least curious to see if my theories come true…and I’m willing to help by making my own animated content!
It’s only a matter of time before Disney starts drumming up hype for Hamster and Gretel by doing another Phineas and Ferb crossover only to kill it off soon after. Am I right, Milo Murphy fans?
-there is a show
-might have a good plot/bad plot/doesn't matter
-it's cal arts bean face
-it's murdered before the story can be completely told/the story is changed so severely it's not even the same story or characters
Basically, I see studios scooping up "excited young writers/animators" fresh out of school, giving them a job to "make their dream show", but at the same time, knowing they won't have anywhere near the legal knowledge of how not to lose everything. This is why all of them have cal arts bean face; it's exceedingly cheep to reproduce and al the shows look the same as a result as opposed to any unique art styles.
While most of that's true, the 'bean face' is a little reductive. They are quite different: the only thing they follow is shape theory to appear friendly
I mean, all art styles are simplified from the concept art to be easier to do. Though, Cal Arts is a term to describe The Iron Giant, so not really a defined term.
It's so nebulous that there's probably at least one character in every series that slightly fits into the trope.
Plus nobody complains about eighties character designs looking similar, and I'd argue that was more egregious
@@DrLockdown Regardless of liking it or calling it something different, it all follows the same basic look and so even if you do like it, the problem is so many shows all look the same and offer no visual distinction. Granted, that's only one of the issues as tax write off is the bottom line.
Basically, try to go independent or with lesser studios. Never go for big corporations.
i”t's cal arts bean face”
I disagreed….
I just discovered god of high school is no longer on HBO max. I’m just frustrated with how animation is treated these days by both consumers and companies. I despise how rise was treated just for being different, and the complaints with the my hero episode that came out last week. Animation has had such a big impact on me I just hope this medium was treated with the respect it was in previous decades.
I agree with this comment, but I'm pretty sure GoHS was removed due to the HBO Max Crunchyroll partnership fizzling out. They no longer have a Crunchyroll hub and a lot of Crunchyroll licensed anime are no longer on the platform.
@@IAMA1 that's why we need to be extinct
WB Discovery's mindset is... stupidity incarnate. Canceling shows is bad enough but not showing them at all and removing them? Kneecapping HBO Max by way of a mass exodus of shows?
Like... there's always been this push-pull friction between the creative and the corporate. The people who want to tell a good story and the people who want profit above all else. There's no shortage of pre-2010 productions that describe massive battles on what they wanted to put out for audiences.
What we're seeing now is it being taken to it's extreme. Even when the big wigs don't fully devalue animation, they'll see it as "too expensive" is their stock starts to so much as dip by a smidge.
My guess is they want people focused on the 'other content', which is stupid
the whole crap with removing stuff from streaming libraries just furthers my belief and commitment to physical media, corps can't take it away from me, and I only pay once
Sadly doesn't work for shows like infinity train. Never released on physical media. Piracy is literally the only way you can watch it now.
The first 2 seasons had dvd releases.
I have a Bachelor's Degree in Animation and my parents had been pushing me to pursue a career there so that they can live off my income after they retire. That along with everything discussed in your video has severely damaged my enthusiasm for pursuing animation further, even as a hobby. I'm actually considering doing retail of all things now.
Nah you can do it
As someone in retail, steet clear. It's not worth it
I'd tell them to piss off for even suggesting to leach off your success,art has more value in its creation and passion behind it than its monetary value. Keep perusing art and don't let the idiots keep you down
It's been a dark year for animation, but I still would not say that we are in a new dark age of animation. There's still a good amount of animation coming out and that has come out, which shows and will show that while there are those that look down on animation "because it's for kids", there are still those pieces of animation that are showing and do show what can be done, when animation is respected. In no particular order (with shows and movies):
"Puss n Boots: The Last Wish", "Hilda (with season 3 coming)", "Nomina", "Spiderverse 2", "Arcane" (especially with season 2 coming)", Pixar's Fire and Ice, Pantheon, Disney's "Wish", "Moongirl and the Devil Dinosaur on Disney Plus", "Guillermo Del Toro's Pinochio on Netflix", "Redwood", "Dragon Age Absolution", "Amphibia","My Dad the Bounty Hunter", "Craig and the Creek movie", "Pantheon", Castlevania Nocturne, "Unicorn Warriors Eternal", "Sonic Prime", "Carmen Sandiego", "Kipo and Age of Wonderbeasts", Invincible season 2, The Sea Beast, Entergalactic, Monkie Kid season 4, Batman Caped Crusader, etc. Of course, there are still major issues that happened this year, but I also feel like these examples, show that even when there are those that try and sabotage animation, there will always be those that step up and be a light to the animation industry. Bob Igor's return to Disney is a great example of this.
Yeah we're still not in The 1970s Part 2 yet.
There is Spider-Man freshman year... it seems likely that it's still alive, due to a recent tweet from a person on that project saying that "he cannot wait for people to witness the final project."
There is still hope...
One to light our datkest hour.
We just cannot give in to this darkness, we must have faith.
We must.
THIS
I just wish we knew if Mao Mao was cancelled or not, the dead silence is so insulting.
Probably safe to assume dead or on its last season at this point
Animation was meant for way for people to escape reality
It can be, but it can also draw attention to injustices in reality too. Like all media, it simply depends on who the creative team is. Escapism and allegory are both valid
Animation is meant for whatever the animator makes it for, and/or whatever the viewers want or need in the moment.
@@iscariot90 Seriously, funny how these types are for creative freedom until it gets political
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 i agree with you
@@DrLockdown i agree
This video reminds me of the mess with Mega Man Fully Charged.
This exciting new show based on a long-running video game series gets aaa... Sunday, 6 AM timeslot on Cartoon Network!
CN also refused to budge from that timeslot, and then there was a mid-season hiatus where everybody involved with the show went dead silent.
Then, quietly, Canadian territories started getting new episodes while the US side of things continued to be dead silent.
Yeah networks have always been bad with scheduling
yet teen titans go is still airing every fucking waking moment I change the channel to cn no matter what time
I don't think that Rise of the TMNT: The Movie was made entirely due to fan outcry, in fact I think it was announced during Season 1 of the show alongside the renewal for a second season (which was before the show had finished Season 1).
Though according to a Twitch stream by the crew Nickelodeon apparently constantly gave conflicting ideas for what they wanted the show to be, such as the crew wanting to do a series largely composed of standalones, but Nick wanted an overarching plot (I think Nick might have been right about this one, to be honest; I thought the overarching plot was surprisingly good), along with a toy focus. The toys not selling that well resulted in the second season's 26-episode order being cut down significantly, and the crew were told to write up a five-part series finale in six weeks.
Apparently Season 2 and The Movie were largely developed at the same time; when the crew found out they got cancelled, they ultimately decided to make the villains of Season 3 (The Krang) the villains of The Movie instead, though said if the movie did well enough the show might continue, which I'm pretty sure isn't happening at this juncture due to Ant Ward and Andy Suriano, two of the series' principle creators, having apparently moved on (the former is working on Transformers: Earthspark, actually).
There's indie animation. Helluva Boss proved that indie animation can be successful outside of mainstream ones.
When it comes to industry animation, I totally see where you are coming from. And everything you said is nearly spot on to my sentiments too! I hope Tv and streaming animation doesn’t go down this dark path, or doesn’t stay there for long. But as is always the case, things will get worse (and probably, in this case, destroyed completely with no way to fix it) before any kind of light is even faintly seen at the end of whatever this endless tunnel of heck is.
That all being said…I do believe that there IS hope for animation…but at least for the foreseeable future, it is not on any TV or streaming network…(unless new ones are made separate from the big studios)
It is online, independent animation!!!
While networks are nosediving beyond the event horizon, a BUNCH of awesome independent creators and creator ran studios are putting out pilots for COMPLETELY ORIGINAL, CREATOR OWNED PROJECTS all on CZcams AND NEWGROUNDS!!! And if that’s not enough, an independent animation collective called Bandit Mill Animation, run by veterans and newbies from the animation industry, are currently working to make their very very first adult animated series called “BoxTown!” And they are crowdfunding the project as well as funding it themselves, and they are also dedicated to treating their crew fairly! Plus, as someone who hangs out in their discord server, they all seem pretty cool! There’s also plenty of other projects being created and promoted on Newgrounds, like I mentioned before!
So, what I’m saying is, I understand how you feel regarding industry animation! And while canceling subscriptions, watching original content, and even promoting creators you admire and who need help on your social accounts, the fact we can’t really help in any big, immediate, impactful way, just rubs salt in the wound! (Not that doing any of the things I mentioned doesn’t help. It just sucks that we can’t do more than that.)
But…
While the industry may look bleak, and looks to be getting bleaker,
The internet, and online independent creators seem to be thriving! Granted, due to the nature of being independent, you have to actively search out these projects, due to all advertising relying on the crew, and word of mouth, as getting anything advertised on a large scale requires a lot of additional money, among other possible things. Not to mention that if you are on one of the big main platforms (especially YT) you are basically subject to whatever the platform and company does or doesn’t do. And you aren’t always guaranteed success in any way. Heck, the platform may not even promote you depending on how it works, YT or otherwise!
But imo, as an animator myself, I am going to be trying to go the fully independent route!!! I’m still open to work for Netflix if and when this storm lightens up, but until then, I’m sticking to Newgrounds, as well as my own website…once I have it up…😅
We just gotta have faith...
i think with transformers specifically it's also entering another period of low relevancy. it's pop culture status has sort of always waxed and waned its entire life. definitely a major shame because earthspark is one of the best paced, best choreographed transformers shows since prime with a ton of heart. i think it's going to suffer a similar fate that animated did, sadly, where it only gains widespread popularity AFTER it's been cancelled or has finished its 2-season run. sucks, because 'rid15, but, like, competent and not bogged down by sales metrics (as much) and the bizarre circumstances of its birth and identity' is right up my alley of something i've wanted since aligned wrapped up.
We've already been in that situation since prime finished and IDW wrapped up it's first run
@@DrLockdown i feel like that makes sense to me since prime feels like the last time hasbro put in legwork to get a show out there. and in general since the hub was shut down its like the transformers shows post-the hub have been very... quiet releases. i heard of cyberverse through word of mouth and never got a trailer for earthspark recommended to me, i found it through tumblr mutuals instead. also being on a streaming service isn't doing it any favors unfortunately.
Surprised fandoms was not brought up as part of the issues. Okay it is not as much of an issue these days but it seemed several shows (heck properties in general) got their success ruined because older fans dismissed changes in favor of things that appealed to their nostalgia, until they realized they actually liked it and by then it is far too late. Rise of the TMNT greatly suffered from this. In fact the general fatigue of shows that were comedic in nature lead to a massive dislike wave that disliked any comedic shows whether it be for good reasons or bad. I feel like Harvey Beaks was one of the more innocent casualties of the dislike wave at the time. Heck maybe OK KO also suffered from this at first. While the dislike wave may not contribute much to the current issue, I feel like we have a duty to protect shows that are good by treating them with respect, regardless of their genre, less they be another causality.
Rise of the TMNT and Ben 10 Omniverse (to an extent, lately it's been looked upon favorably) will always be a sore point for me that they were overlooked or immediately written off due to their artstyles.
Topically for this channel, you see this especially with Transformers too.
@@velencourte when Transformers Animated was first revealed, everybody immediately disliked it because of how it looked,
But when the 2 part series opener dropped, that was when everyone realized you can’t judge a show by it’s art style!
This video's less about fandoms and more about horrible corporate practices. Fandoms aren't screwing over an entire medium
@@DrLockdown Definitely it is about the corporations, and fans do have lesser power. However I thought it was worth mentioning the viewer side of things, since in at least in the case of Rise of the TMNT, I think it was screwed as much from the "oh its different" plague of some fans as much as Nick's poor judgment when the show finally got decent numbers. If the numbers were decent from the start it probably would have lasted as long as other incarnations of the property. And in a way the viewers are just as responsible with animation's fate as the companies. The live action Disney reboots may be panned but they get decent numbers which justify their continued existence even thought people don't like them. If people stopped watching maybe companies would change, since they listen less to reason and more so emptying money vaults. Though to be fair, that does lead to its own complex downwards spiral about why people watch things, and what are the correct tactics to discourage people from watching it (since we know directions like the Anti Gen 8dom did not work at all). So, you did quite a good job with the topic as it is.
@@thomasalvarenga2839 that why I lost my faith in capitalism
Yeah, it's ashame that every points you make mostly will never be stopped and there's possibility of getting worse. My biggest worry is from social standpoints. As in types of people who shared the same understandings as the former Disney CEO will most likely will keep supporting those points you have mentioned. To the point of they would shaming, insulting or bullying us for not watching the popular stuffs regardless if they're good or bad.
I just hope that anybody could still enjoying Across The Spiderverse in peace without bay-splosion and bay-hem fans pick on us including me and you for watching and enjoying a cartoon movie.
"She-ra has gone down as one of the best written pieces of diverse media..."
HAHHA. Yeah, and High Guardian Spice WAS a good show worthy of praise too.
🤣😂😂🤣🤣😆😂
High Guardian spice can go die in a fire.
Diversity doesn't make a show good. She ra just happened to do it well
@@DrLockdown
I agree with your statement about High Guardian, IT SUCKS....
but as a true MOTU fan, I disagree with what you and anyone else says about the awful tumblr reboot. Heck, it,'s so far removed from what She-ra actually is that it might as well be something else. Also, the creators of that show were such garbage human beings that the original voice actress of She-ra had to call them out on their BS. So no, I will never support that show and anyone who does is the equivalent to a Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Fan.
Thanks for the reply BTW.👍😏
Wasn’t she-ra that show that glorified an extremely toxic and abusive relationship between it’s main character and her adopted sister?
i remember seeing the trailer pilot thing for infinity train a few years ago and it was wonderful
and i never watched the show because i never knew it had come out, and now they took it off streaming
The only way to watch it is piracy now.
The companies/corpo's don't care, so yar har fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is alright with me.
@@TheDaxter11 facts
We live in a time when piracy keeps culture (and just good things) safe from moneybags.
I’d agree with everything being said, except about anime not being popular in Japan.
Transformers: Cyberverse
-Abused and rushed its animation staff under ridiculous deadlines
-Writers straight-up admitted they abused the new-assets-per-episode rules to sneak in as many characters as possible over time for the sake of it, driving the writing into the ground in the later seasons
-Mostly just chucked shit at the wall plucked from TFwiki and didn’t even wait to see what stuck
-Relied on the same nonunion voice-work as WFC, right down to its godawful washed up Vine star Cullen impersonator
Why is this being treated as an ideal situation again?
It’s not the worst of the current crop but it’s definitely not _good._ BotBots and Earthspark have been driving circles around it.
At this point, companies just want money and get more greedy soon enough. I want them to see what they've done to other fandoms
Oh they probably see it and laugh.
What I want them to see is the pavement coming at them extremely fast.
The best animations in general were made in the 70's, 80's and part of the 90's, by far.
Regarding the Botbots bit, I'm still exceedingly annoyed that they haven't yet told the team behind it that they're greenlit for a second season, especially because everyone working on it had fun.
On something that's not topical for a transformers channel: *THEY CANCELED A SPIDERMAN PROYECT!?* First sign that this is one of the darkest ages for animation, that's all I needed to hear to know we're neck deep in shit, the rest was just the full context of the industry's state as a whole.
It's only rumours as of yet, but if it's true of course the animated project gets the axe while wandavision, a complete story, gets a second season
@@DrLockdown Because of course, it's Disney, things like that are it's current modus operandi
Of course one of the few Marvel things I would have genuinely been interested in since Endgame is rumoured to be getting cancelled.
I've watched Wandavision and Captain Falcon and Loki, and I'm interested in Shang-Chi, No Way Home and the Dr Strange movie, but other than that Marvel hasn't interested me anymore.
Im a big transformers fan And I didn’t even know Botbot was a thing Lol
There are things I want to say. You may disagree with them and I'm open to criticism, but just hear me out. I have had a lot of this stuff on my mind for years, and with me engaging on the internet more, I finally want to talk about this stuff.
I am an early 2000's boomer. I personally think the golden age of cartoons ended in 2008. Yes I am incredibly nostalgic, but one can notice that shows have changed since. Shows like Adventure Time and Regular Show are not the masterpieces everyone thinks they are, and led to the creation of the muck which has aired since.
Here's an important thing I've noticed. Around the turn of the decade, people started thinking, "hey, let's make cartoons more complex. Let's give them overarching story and mature themes." This is great (mature complex stories are awesome, IF DONE WELL), except one problem: most of these shows failed in execution, and everybody jumped on the complex train. As such, this led to a rise in "pseudo-complex" shows, which I think most cartoons today (especially the ones people acclaim so much) are. Instead of being complex, they are convoluted. And in their attempts, have become dull. In becoming dull, they have forgotten how to be entertaining. Mature and complex is entertaining, but dull and convoluted isn't.
For example: the finale to Adventure Time does not count as good storytelling. They just made it at the end and said "hey let's make this the explanation for everything that's happened". Bruh, you literally made it up as you went along. That shit doesn't count.
The best analogy I can give is Avatar vs Korra (I don't like Korra, but hear me out)
While some would see Avatar as childish, it has plenty of mature themes in it and has a complex yet concrete and well-fitting structure. Korra attempted to out-mature Avatar, and as a result seems dull.
Chronologically speaking, the last cartoon I like is RWBY (2013). And you know what happened to that show? It's creator died, they kept it going, and corporate greed is the only thing driving it.
But to relate to your "new dark age", corporations are in fact not caring about animation anymore. Part of me thinks that they jumped on the "pseudo-complex" train, and are either abandoning it because of low revenue or are milking pre-existing acclaimed shows dry
One final thing: my absolute favorite film is Pacific Rim. I think it's a well-made film with aspects which makes it unique. They were going to turn it into an entire multimedia franchise, but then Guillermo del Toro (director) left to make the Shape of Water, and while he was kissing his best picture award, the franchise was left to rot, and we got the dumpster fire that is Uprising. The Black is probably the one Netflix show I have ever been excited for, and while not horrible, it wasn't amazing either. It will never hold a candle to what Pacific Rim could have been, but it had so much potential that wasn't developed. A unique film which could have paved the way for a unique franchise, ripped away and left to rot.
I feel like those corporations are saying someting like: "We're rich enough todo whatever the f*** we like."
God, I'm just ao freaking pissed at this
Someone should put them in their place.
Which is somewhere very down here...starts with an "H".
Definitely a very good and thought out video. I can kind of see that these corporations, in my opnion, should rethink about their audiences.
I strongly recommend watching Final Space to anyone who might be interested. It filled a huge scifi gap left when I lost interest in the direction Star Trek and Dr. Who went in.
#renewfinalspace
#renewfinalspace
One of your best videos yet!
You deserve more recognition. The writing is so brilliant. It somehow combines genuinely interesting information with some of the best editing, and a lot of funny jokes. Keep up the amazing critiques, man!
Looking at Disney's Gargoyles now, nothing like it today. Even Avatar the Last Airbender doesn't quite measure up.
I love Avatar but it did a lot of clichés and copouts and still had the issues a lot of kid's shows have with characters and themes. Gargoyles really was on a different level, even more mature than The DCAU though it's a close second, but like, when was the last time you saw Batman read Dostoevsky? RIP Kevin Conroy tho
The legend returns for another upload
I was really lookin forward to seeing the wings of fire since it was one of my favorite book series now that they scraped it I'm very pissed
I feel that the forced politicized views are what's killing us all. At least it kills it for me. In the recent Dragon Age was turned off when @ minute 5 the story was stopped to introduce the spurned gay lover. I mean no intro to a story but we HAVE to know about this as a priority.
I LOVE Dragon AGE but I was literally driven off by this scene. This crap is killing many of the fans.
Can we please just have good stories again, please?
I've never heard of risebut I'm intrigued.
"Many of the fans" as if it wasnt raking in money like mad lol
besides how is that forced??? "no way there's a ay person in the game noooo!!!!"
my guy the sister franchise Mass Effect has had gay people from the start please get a fucken grip lol
It’s really sad what has been going on in the animation Industry. I think it’s the best medium for entertainment and storytelling of all time (Next to video games). What i love about animation is that you can really do anything. It's just this open medium where anything you can think of and anything you can creat you can make. Animation can convey things that live action will never be capable of.
I hope things get better in the future. Animation deserves better.
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Transformers Earthspark was fire tho, no one can dispute that.
All animators must stand up for themselves. us as the audience will still need to support them, for better or worse, let's all hope and pray that 2023 animation will survive.🙏💪😥
Dr. Lockdown we've been expecting this video. The DJD is once again indebted to you for your services.
To add some knowledge with Japanese culture as someone who is currently on a kick with this stuff, Manga is the main way the Japanese consume certain series, their anime counterparts honestly are treated more so as, a bonus thing, in fact, back then, they used to watch the filler arcs more so than the main story because they already read the main content in the original manga.
And a bonus point, one of the biggest manga authors in Shonen, Tite Kubo, is getting a second chance to tell the story he couldn't beforehand due to a crippling injury, Bleach's return with the Thousand Year Blood War Anime adaptation is still getting quite a big push, even having some promos with Coca-Cola, now, say what you will about the arc in the manga, but I call this a great win for creatives everywhere, and Kubo is even hands on with this adaptation more so than he was in the past
That attitude has been shifting in the past couple of years, but even if it's a win for the creatives, it's not a win for the animators
@@DrLockdown Very true
To expand on the current state of voice actor payment, I'd like to bring Sean Chiplock as an example. He's been in quite a few things, with his most relevant roles being Revali in Breath of the Wild, and Spade in Freedom Planet 1 and 2. Both performances were as side characters, with relatively few lines in each.
Despite the former being far more well known and produced with a much higher budget, he actually got more money from each of the latter games individually.
Genshin impact VAs recently too.
Four months without payment on the highest grossing game currently.
Disgusting.
And here I thought the Dark age was supposed to be something like more dark and mature shows were coming out or something lol. Ended up with a nihilistic view of the animation world, great video!
Have you considered that Earthspark's art style (if we can refer to it as such) might also be a reason for why people might be uninterested in it?
As you said, stuff like Animated and Prime were a cool reinterpretation of transformers, especially for their respective styles which made them stand out from the original, but with Earthspark... not so much, it doesn't feel like something new, it feel like a cheap knockoff with some minority pandering thrown in (cough cough, that one non binary transformer).
Friendly reminder that people hated animated's artstyle back then before they watched the show.
I also can't tell how you think Earthspark feels like a cheap knockoff when it looks more distinct than anything made after 2015 RID.
At least Animated had a proper art style.
Earthspark looks more like a more lanky version of the G1 designs, with some gender swaps and little changes.
And to top it all of Animated had the balls to modify the designs and doing its own thing, which is evident with characters like Bumblebee, Ratchet, Prowl, Starscream and Waspinatot
Earthspark looks great. I have no idea what you're talking about
@@DrLockdown I think it looks fine as well but for some reason,I do not like optimus's lips,and I have no idea why,but just his,and his alone
Also art style may very well have something to do with it,or I just have weird friends and brothers.Because after showing them clips from the show,pretty much the only thing they had an issue with was the art style and this was my 3 brothers,and about 15 other friends/acquaintances on discord.
Y'all realize Transformers are robots right?
Extremely well done video, I had my initial doubts but you did an amazing job on this.
Sadly I think the only REAL answer to this is the thing mass people wont do anything about it which is talking with their wallets.
I cancelled my Funimation subscription, and I don't have Foxtel. That's about as much as I can do on my end.
@@DrLockdown Not suggesting you had to more talking about the wider "people", problem is a huge number of the audience just dont care, all you have to do is look at reality TV to see that
Yeah it's a shame. Issues just get forgotten about so quickly
hopefully Iger will do better for the animation industry for disney, though I have -1 hope warner brothers is gonna do anything competent anytime soon, also R.I.P Tron uprising, that show was like the best tron media ever
Iger's only there for a year. I doubt much will change in the grand scheme of things.
@Jdashimus_prime same here
I worked on the first 2 seasons of Final Space and it's a real shame to see everyone's hard work just. Not be able to be enjoyed by anyone else (unless through pirating, which at this point, valid). Dark age indeed :/
These are very complex issues. Jeez. I had no idea Netflix was fueling the best animation and also innovating the cancelation dance. Jeez.
it is really annoying hearing how all this stuff is happening and how these companies don't have any brain cells for the fans or creators and only for those dollar signs, here's how I think is the best way to fight this, Indie Projects and Fanfiction. With Indie Projects the power is directly in the hands of the creators so they don't have to worry about their stuff being canceled and they can rely on the fanbases of their projects for support as long as they gain that following, as for the other, Fanfiction, for projects that have been canceled or been disregarded by companies in other ways fans and the original creators can still work on those projects or make what they envision/ed them to be, an example I would like to use is Sonic SatAM Season 3, that was caned a looooooong time ago until the fans got together with the original creators of the show themselves with the script bible for Season 3 and are currently (as of this time I write this) working on bring the final season to life. So in my opinion, if you don't like the new stuff then stop watching it and let these companies either realize their mistakes OR be left in the dust so that the stuff we want to see can be made without corporate interference and be made by the fans and creators themselves, support them.
Nice space dandy intro music for the anime industry bit, very classy
Hehe. That was a good show. Wonder what wantanabe's next project will be: Carole and Tuesday kinda fizzled out at the end, so a new project would be cool
This is why crowd funded shows will be the next big thing, streamed for free on sites like CZcams (and the like) or their own custom made websites.
Bro we need more vids like this
They don't tend to do well. This one's a rate case: it's taken off quite well, but usually diagnosis insanity video essays fall flat.
Wait until AI art becomes good enough to make animated media where a skeleton crew of underpaid animators is only necessary to touch up on some mistakes. Mark my words, when it happens I bet you the likes of Disney will lobby for IP law to apply to AI as well.
A little bit of a correction Amphibia was not "Cancelled" it simply ended.
yeah it was matt's decision because the massage of the show is learn to let things go
yeaaahhh this hits hard
The sad state of network CEO's and their attitude toward animation summed up right here.
Money sure can corrupt one's soul.
19:40 did they remove it or is the bottom tweet there correct?
Glad you mentioned / showed owl house
7:06-----7:13 what was your point cartoon are riddled with noun Stright people hell you get esg points for that
It's so sad that Close Enough got canned after the release of season 3
What's bad about getting rid of a bad writer?
The writer isn't the problem. He was fired for harassment, which is a solid reason.
The director on the other hand... Castlevania was HIS project. He spearheaded it, and pushed for it to be made for the better part of a decade. We wouldn't have the project if it wasn't for him. It was his vision, and Netflix is like 'nah fam, we have better ideas'
@@DrLockdown your point about arcane getting a second series.
I'm not sure it will, party due to the points you've made
Arcane is handled by riot games, not Netflix, and the writing team is near identical.
Castlevania is developed in-house at Netflix.
Different production systems
I think almost of this is just a result of executives not understanding the products they are putting out. Shows with genuine potential from a critical standpoint would be promoted far more of these show-runners actually looked at these animations through the same critical lens as live-action. Shows like Thundercats Roar would never made it past the very early stages of production, as even a cursory glance at it would reveal its lack of potential given that there are so many alternatives that do the exact same thing. Shows like Infinity Train would have had a better go of it for similar reasons, though with opposite conclusions. If there is any silver lining, it’s that this indifference to animation shown by execs will cause and has caused companies to hemorrhage money, as their investments in bad shows don’t pay off. As animation becomes a more respected form of media, and audience expectations rise, this phenomenon will only increase exponentially, forcing studios to actually fix these issues as to keep their doors open.
I normally don't do this but because I laughed my ass off at the use of the word "suppository" at the beginning of part 5, I felt I should ask...Did you mean "suppository" or did you mean "repository?" It's a great video no matter what you meant.
Nope. I meant suposatory. It's a reference to an old Aussie prime minister: czcams.com/video/oep_DPDy6xw/video.html
@@DrLockdown Ah, I see. Being from the states, the reference was lost on me. Thanks for the clarification. Sky news is a bit too right leaning for my taste so I never saw this…Pretty funny though.
Yeah, not a fan of the news station either, but they were the only ones to give this moron airtime :p
And it's a legendary moment in the history of his idiocy
It's almost as if the 1970s is about take revenge.
Yeah p much
Just out of curiosity, what was the original dark age of animation?
70s Hannah Barbera
Ye I hadn't even heard about Cyberverse till I saw it on the transformers youtube channel.
And I only saw it there due to watching G1
I'm still sad that the Bone series was canceled 😞
idk about the Harley Quinn takes. Loved seasons 1 & 2, but boy somebody on the writing team must've gone through a break up or something cuz you could make a drinking game from all the evil rich old white guy jokes in season 3
11:22 DrLockdown: "Potentially a step into right direction..."
Me: Wow, this clip aged like milk
To this very day it shatters my heart what happened to the owl house
An absolutely beautiful and wonderful series cut tragically short, but at least we got to see Disney regret its actions when the season 3 premiere did major numbers on youtube
Yeah just sucks to see them pumping out more franchise bullshit instead of continuing this
Well to be fair it was FREE on CZcams where if that show did get a longer 3rd season they could have charged you a Disney Channel Cable Package or a Disney+ Subscription to let you watch it.
Damn. I usually has something to say, but I'm speechless. As I don't know what to say...
Look, i kinda liked the optimus from wfc trilogy, he is always trying to convince megatron to stop the war, he does a mistake in season 1 and quickly realises it and does whatever it takes to correct it, he doesnt want to kill other cybertronians like megatron because he believes that all living beings deserve to live. He never kills megatron on the millions of chances he had because, besides what megatron have turned out, he still consider him a brother. He is weaker than megatron as you see in every fight scene between they, but he never gives up. WFC optimus, at least for me, is the PERFECT hero.
But if you dont agree, i respect.
I'm assuming CZcams Premium to you there is also cheaper than other countries, cause that's what my country did
Not sure
Animation is the reason one of the reasons I want to voice act never live action i hope to voice any characters
Bob Iger never should've stepped down. It's good to see that his return is somewhat a saving grace, well in my opinion at least.
I don't think it'll change anything. He made some pretty awful decisions back when he was CEO
I personally have been enjoying the MCU and Star Wars shows (mostly) however I do agree that all the other stuff shouldn't be pushed aside just for them.
I recently got into The Owl House and absolutely loved it and was devastated to hear that it was going to have just 3 two part arcs and that was it. Also the idea that animation can't appeal to adults is just a horrible take. I recently showed my grandfather The Simpsons (The older episodes) and he loved them and I've had literature teachers show us animated movies for classes
It's always a double standard
"Animation cannot appeal to adults unless it's a crude comedy with the same four jokes over and over"
@@DrLockdown I also watched the WFC Trilogy with my Mom and she liked it. don’t worry I promise to disown her
in my region there were plenty of ads for strange world
Lucky. In Australia, I saw nothing
The fate of Infinity Train still upsets me. It was a fantastic show, but because of the idiocy of Warner, it was cancelled. These rich old men only care about money but fail to see why animated shows like Infinity Train are popular and instead of capitalising on said popularity, they just discard it. In their eyes, animation is just "useless children entertainment" and not worth the effort. This short sighted thinking will ruin animation.
And then they'll start complaining about parents who are upset that they have nothing to show to their kids.
And then they'll start complaining about the existence of an audience who doesn't watch what they want to make. By which I mean kids and shows/movies for mature audiences.
And then they'll start hating on kids.
I can’t tell if “harras corporations” was a joke or not and I m ok with that
Good video
Creativity has been abused since day 1.
Cartoons , Movies, Music, video games and so on.
The mistreatment of voiceactors is honestly so baffling. I'm from Germany, a country notorious for dubbing everything we get our hands on, to the point where neighboring countries are making fun of us for it, but even here the average income for VAs lies almost *25%* below the national average.
This is something I often see for anyone in any creative industry. At this point, we need to learn how to play ball with these corporate farts in order to circumvent whatever s*** they throw on us and get what we truly wanted.
Heck, perhaps some of us animation fans may want to take up anything business-related. But we can't be too grandiose and explicit about our intentions; lest these corporate boomers checkmate us again.
I mean I've kinda never feel star wars burnout because both nostalgia and I just like seeing what they can do with a vast galaxy but holy shit I'm fucking tired of marvel. But anyways do you plan to make a video about earthspark and what are just your general opinions on it?
Not really. Only ten episodes are out, and there aren't any topics that jump out at me. I don't feel a rush of inspiration to write about it
Correction: Investors & CEOs are smart as 💩 when it comes to pleasing there selves.
Now I'm just imagining them whacking one in the board room
just like comics, I tried staying up with cartoons and being a fan, but I can only take my favorite shows getting cancelled so many times until I just gave up. I used to be SO into comics and cartoons, that was the main thing that personality revolved around, and now, I dont deal with either. I am also at the point of not playing video games from AAA developers any more... cant stand any of the companies any more from Nintendo, to blizzard, and now Square Enix going the way of the NFT....
Webcomics are where it's at. Full creative control
Love the Retrax
I honestly only liked kingdom because of beast wars but their worst sin is that they DID *NOT* USE MY BOY DAVID KAYE
10:39 same here doc
22:28 I’ve never heard of this. There a video going in depth on this?
Not really. Just about a year ago an arsonist set the Kyoto animation building ablaze, killing thirty people
@@DrLockdown damn. More unnecessary violence.
Great video, Doctor Lockdown. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Western animation is heading down a downward spiral, nothing can be saved. But i dont believe the same thing will happen to anime. Unlike cartoons, there still alot of very great anime still being produced, the quality as a whole isnt being affected. I have notice that you left out any mention of anime quality dipping but did say modern shows are bpring and terrible. Great new anime is still being producing and adapted, there are a lot of upcoming projects i am looking forward to. As a famous animetuber once said, anime is more popular and exciting than ever, we are entering a new golden age of anime.
Final Space was amazing, shame HBO had to can it :(
Though thanks to a cameo from Rick's ship, we can at least say it lives on in the Rick and Morty Multiverse.
This is why anime is so popular almost everywhere instead of western animation. We are missing what great stories are, as well as how well they are presented. Not everything needs to have political agendas injected into it (yes, looking at you Owl House, Loud House, Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Voltron: Legendary Defender, etc.). We have forgotten that entertainment doesn't have to be too simple or too complicated or complex to understand. Some of the best shows are what can be told from a visual standpoint while keeping it sweet and neat, while having an asthetic to it (Samurai Jack and Prince of Egypt, for example). Some shows have a lot of action and story presented, while having a small run-time (Rankin/Bass' The Hobbit and The Return of of the King). Some shows can have inconsistencies that can be entertaining to watch (the 1980s Transformers series). We can tell westerner type stories with pleasing animation and have proven that with some low quality, low budget animations on CZcams. But due to the lack of creativity in Hollywood and in these mega corporate entities that have complete media control in that medium, none of them can move out of what they do on third party sites.
We need to change this and get creatives in that can do what they wish to do, with the passions and talent they all have. No politics. No compromise. And no more of these crap shows that keep suiciding to oblivion and obscurity before they get completed.
Lmao does you dumbass genuinely think anime isn't political? Also he was literally talking about issues with the anime industry too
"Political agendas", you mean gay people don't you? You know anime has a lot of gay characters too right?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 never knew the naruto war arc is political.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 if the peak of storytelling is inserting gay characters in cartoons, then 60s to 80s red scare propaganda cartoons are a worthy oscar winning awards.
"No political agendas injected into it"
So, Yamato, Gundam... those just dont exist?
chud-weebs really have to learn that Anime is just an artstyle and nothing else because dear god...