Ebike battery upgrade: Run a 60V power tool battery on my (48V) Ebike & Razor E300 E-scooter
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2018
- Testing my 60V Snapper power tool battery on my Ebike and electric scooter. Originally, the bike is 48V, the scooter is 24V (then 48V, and now 60V). The scooter motor is still original stock 24V brushed motor. The scooter controller is rated at 48V, 1000W. Here's how I previously made the connector: • DIY: Make an XT60 conn...
Do these Snapper 60v packs have a built low voltage cutoff? What voltage do they cutoff at? I want to use one of these in a project. Great videos Vuaeco
! Thank you
Superkev 2000 I assume they do because they have a bms but didn’t test them to that low
No, they don't. Most power tool batteries do not have low voltage cutoff. They all have BMS but it's only for overcharge protection. If you think about it, if a battery is overcharged, it will explode. So a manufacturer will do everything they can to prevent that or they will be sued to bankruptcy. But if a battery is dead because they are overdischarged then it's good for them because now they just have a new customer ready to spend his/her money for a new battery. So the answer to your question is almost always "no". You will be the BMS for over-discharge protection.
vuaeco that would make sense!
@@vuaeco Thank you for your reply. What do you use to cut them off and at what voltage?
@@superkev2000 There's a test button on the battery. Once it gets to 1 bar, remove it out of the scooter and charge it. Or use a voltage display to monitor it. A 15S battery when empty is about 50V. I would stop using at about 52V (which is 3.5V per cell)
Thank you showing us the outer limits of what controllers can handle. Appreciate that this is at our own risk. I’ll make sure I confirm the capacitor specs first too👍
That Scotty reference was so funny
I love your vids!! I have a 48 volt fat tire bike and I just replaced the controller. Stuffing all the wires and connectors in the small space made me a little nervous. The old three wires to the motor were burned up at the bullet connectors. On the new one I soldered them. The original setup lasted three years. Almost all mountains and hill riding which really uses the amps. Lots of heat. Thanks again!!
Best channel on youtube. I give you the title since if my father was still here id do this tyoe of stuff with him
Yet another interesting Video. Thanks for the time. Didnt realize thats where we found the 63V limitation.
Excellent real world test. Thank you.
I hope its typical performance for 1000W controllers. Ive just built a 58.8 battery from 26650 cells....almost ready to test.
My first ebike is ready but my battery is not welded up yet. I ran it on 3 18v drill batteries and it works like a charm! Thanks for the idea mate.
I took that same scooter and ran 2 dewalt20v batteries in parallel And I rode a willie around the block. I couldn’t keep the front down but it was fun. I didn’t use a controller I just ran it direct.
Great !!! Carefully organized and intelligent. Thank you Sir.
I have 4 of these batteries and have been thinking of building a e bike! Thanks for making this video showing that it is possible.
Nick Smith don't go in to it bro lead acid to heavy and mounting points will be need and a heavy duty frame costly ....go all out and use 18650s 15 quid for laptop 12cell or go 6cell bit more expensive otherwise ya get what ya paid for
These packs contain 18650's.
Nice work. You are very articulate and offer a concise explanation even though I assume English is not your first language. I subscribed. Cheers!
Thanks Erich. I speak multiple languages and sometimes they got mixed up! :D
Very well done mate thank you for this video it was very informative and I have learnt lots from you over the last few months keep up the good
Thanks mate.
Very good video I wish you lived closer to me you're a good dude
i love your content, ive been following your videos for some time now. id like to see more detailed wire works for your projects. i have a generic ebike from china 350W w a 36v battery. i bought a 48V battery online and im having trouble wiring it up. i wish i could pick your brain but i really dont wanna waste your time! keep up the amazing work!
Where did you buy your battery for how much
@@mrbenjaminvincent amazon 250ish
Hey man, I did exactly what you did and I got 45mph on my ebike 1000w motor
Funny 🙏🤣🇬🇧HAPPY NEW YEAR
Great video
Big up scotty kilmer may he get more subs! 🙏🏽
U taught me how to cut acrylic windshields. Iam good. Like to see you build a bafang battery. The nice blk case w/wired base plate are $45 on alliexpress.
It would be interesting to measure the 60v and 2x24v batteries under load. The high discharge cell specs I have seen have 20mohm internal resistance; a 60v 2ah pack will be 15s1p so the pack internal resistance will be 15x0.02=0.3 ohm and the battery voltage will dip 6 volts with a 20 amp draw down to a peak of 63-6=57v. If the 24v packs were 7s your 48v "battery" would have a full charge off-load voltage of 58.8 but if the original 24v packs were 7s2p you might find the pack voltage only loses 3v under 20a load so dropping to 55.8v. In this case your "60v" pack is only delivering 1.2volt more than your "48v" pack and similarly the extra power available would not be huge.
Love your videos
Thanks Brandon
thanks for you vids,
loved the video! really helpfull,
I want one of those packs! Fits my name 😅
Just because you have 60v capacitors doesn’t mean it wont blow. If the fet voltage is lower you will blow the fets. Check the fet voltage.
Great video, I learned a lot from watching, may I know that are you still running 60V 1000w controller with the stock 24v brushed motor? If so, is the motor still alive? I wanted to try something like yours too
How long did you get runtime wise out of the batteries?
I have a question for you regarding something else. I have a 36 volt trolling motor for a boat. Can you suggest a battery that will keep a charge the longest? The TM itself doesn't need to run very fast. Just enough power to last throughout the day. Thanks!
Hey I am going to try something. If you can tell me what you think of my plan. I have a Kobalt 40v snow blower. It stalls under hight demand as expected (I knew it wouldn't set the world on fire). I ordered a 56v ego motor. I want to try running the stronger motor off the 40v supply hoping that it may prevent the thermocouple from tripping under high load. Sound reasonable?
Have you taken a peak inside the battery pack to see what cells are actually in there? I am curious to what cells the manufacture is using in these 60V setups.
what is warranty on the battery? and what battery cells are inside (panasonic, LG, Sony)? and battery specs for the battery inside the pack.
Well, you want to really check out all the limitations of your scooter and e-bike by yourself 😅
At least there will be always some improvements and tips to share with the community.
I really like this video where you put the xt60 connector on your Raw Power power bank and this easy modification allowed me to charge my power bank very fast. Only thing that I need now to do is to add a circuit which has short circuit protection
Lol copy right stike for Scotty opening. 😝 I love it.
Where can I buy the 60v battery?
Really like
That's cool you are able to get to 28mph on a razor scooter, I'm currently rebuilding my battery to a 16s 12p battery to power a custom dual motor ninebot es4 with two 48v 1000watt esc's. The capacitors are rated at 80v but there is a soldered on wire with some voltage selections of 60v (the one the jumper wire thing is connected on) 64v, 72v, and 80v, I'm not sure if I should switch the voltage selection thing, I'm guessing it's over voltage protection but I'll probably leave it alone unless it doesn't work. It originally went 25mph on a 13s battery so I'm trying to go 28-30mph
Pretty nice!
Check the mosfets. They realy liit the voltage and are most likely to fail. If the capacitors fail and swell the bike will still work
Excellent video. Can you measure the voltage of your 60v battery after fully charged. I know it's 15s and can max out at 63v, perhaps the charger only charges up to 60v for better longevity of the battery packs.
I like the idea of using power tool battery packs, as they are much cheaper than ebike batteries. Also, they have much better warantees. The trick is to find the right voltage so that you don't overvolt the controller.
It's genius how you created the adapter - such a simple, elegant, effective design.
You're right. The charger of this model only gets it up to 61.5V, not a full 63V for battery longevity.
The battery nominal voltage might be 54v, my 20v/60v Dewalt flex get fully charged to 61v
What kind of range would that battery be good for on the E-Bike ?
for more Power and topspeed you need buy a a controller with 12 , 15 or 18 Mosfet ;)
How far have you ran the battery before you changed it out? I have a 60 v 5.0 Greenworks Pro battery that will work with a boat on 35 amp controller won't it?
What's the max discharge amperage on these 60V batteries? I know these batteries have an internal fuse (for example the 80V Greenworks batteries have 40A fuses) but what do the 60V packs have?
Hory shet!
I have a 2018 Radwagon 42v setup.
I have 1.additional 54v batteries I would like to put in or.replace the 42v. Would I need to upgrade the controller? And do I wire them in series?
OMG. The Snapper 60v 4ah version currently sells for $80 at Walmart (the 2ah version sells for $85 !?!?!). This is extremely cheap. Since the 4ah version is a 15s2p, you're going to get even more torque and speed! Compare to an Echo 58v 4ah at Home Depot for $169 (or on ebay for $100). As a comparison, I bought a Luna Cycle Mighty Mini ebike battery 52v 6ah for $300, plus $80 for charger, plus $40 for shipping.
That's absolutely true. For some reason, the 4Ah battery is cheaper than 2Ah battery at Walmart!
As of today, the the 4ah is on rollback at Walmart for $59. That's a ridiculously cheap price. I have a feeling they are clearing this out so that they can come out with a 5 or 6 ah version soon.
Their website is showing sold out? I might have to go in store and look around:)
the 4ah not listed anymore. I should have got it when I had the chance.
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. czcams.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
how long does your battery last and what is the amp hour rating on the one you bought? I see the 2 amp hour version on ebay for around $60 or so? thanks- love your videos
On this depending on your weight you'll get approximately 2 miles per amp hour
I'd take a guess the range is between 5-7 miles on the bike, with some pedaling.
I'd love to see the temperature of the motor 😁
What is your previous video where you made the connector for this video?
Doing wheelies. LOL
Hi mate, I've watched heaps of your videos over the past year or two. I have a strange problem. I have a 1000w motor, with a brand new controller. The controller keeps cutting out after a few minutes, and when it seems to get warm I guess. I'm thinking it's because I have a 48v battery in it. So if I go up to 60v, will it stop it hitting any sort of voltage cut out?
I'm thinking this is why it keeps cutting out. I've even taken off the wire from the BMS, and put them into the battery directly, and still the same. Even though the battery is 8p,so it hardly get warm at all.
Your controller probably has a higher voltage cutout. Read the specs of your controller.
@@vuaeco I can't find the cutout voltage. If I go up to the next level, 52v, or 56v, do you think this will solve it?
I have the same battery but 4amp hr or 240 watt hr. I'm curious how many amps draw at 15-18 mph ? I'm wanting to do a pedal assist and no need to go faster than 15-18 mph. Curious about my range...?
John Lucas I was looking for the same answer! Except not for ebike. I want to know how much draw is safe from this pack?
Noice!
:D
Please do a range test on your 48v Ebike please.
guessing: He said 1000w. 40v*4ah=160wh that means 10 minutes....
Nice job but seriously one handed at those speeds could end up being very unhealthy for you.
Were you sitting on the board of your scooter?
Have you considered getting one of those Evo type scooters 1000 watts 48v they also do a 1600 watts version.
Full suspension sit or stand twin disk brakes the whole thing like a proper moped.
All you gotta do now is a range test, but those batteries look small enough to carry a spare.
I have four 20v 5ah lithium batteries...how do i maximize volts and amps? Run two sets in series and then parallel the sets maybe?
Yep. That's the better setup.
48v 58000mah x 2 = 96v 116000mah connect using parallel adapter to a 48v controller will it blow up?🤔🤔
Hi goodmorning can i use 48v battery into w4v ebikes with stepdown converter?
Can I use 36v ebike Li-ion battery to replace the stock 36v on my Razor EcoSmart scooter?
Absolutely
Trying to upgrade my 48v 14ah battery to 52v 20AH battery. Do I need to upgrade my controller?
how can the motor handle that?
Whats the wattage of that original motor?
How many miles or km will the 60v last?
Maybe Im misunderstanding, but wouldn't getting a larger watt motor help a lot of potential issues?
Yes, getting a larger motor would help.
What was the run time on the 60 vote battery
i have a custom E-Moto that tops out around 65Mph on the same voltage....
I need help. Im trying to make a computer monitor or television run off of a power tool battery. How can I reverse the circuit in the power tool battery charger so I can plug the battery in and it gives power to the monitor?
I don't think you can use a power tool battery charger to run a TV which is 120V AC (or 220V AC depending on where you are from). You can use a DC to AC inverter to convert DC from the battery to AC and then you can power your TV.
Thanks for the reply. My whole idea is to try and run it on a power tool battery. LOL...im just a nerd is all. Thank you though. You do some really cool stuff on your channel. I love it
Midnights & Mornings trying to do the same. I ended up gutting the charger moved the red thick cable to the positive end. Then found a buck converter on amazon to drop it down to 12v. Only question left is how much amps can I safely draw.
@@huseinabdul1 I Just did the same thing for an led light project. Do you know if these batteries have an automatic built in low voltage cutoff? If not... What voltage can we safely run it down to? thanks
Of course its Dangerous. Especially on a scooter. Nice Vid.
Can you please make a segway c80 faster?
Can you still use your scooter without the control box I'm still have the amount of torque anyone have any idea I have this destroyed my control box for some reason it would not come on don't know why power are everything charged and everything are okay anyone have an idea except for going and repurchase and control box for greatly appreciate that
Why such low amp hour battery ?
I’m curious, does your scooter have its original 24volt motor?
Yes, it does.
Hello 🙏🏽 can you tell me if it is possible to wire 3 batteries in a series parallel combination to make 3- 12V/ 12AH batteries run at 36V/36Ah🙏🏽
It would end up being 36v 12ah if in series.. In parallel it would be 12v 36ah
If u had 6 u could get 36v 24ah wiring 3 sets of 2 in parallel and then those 3 sets in series
hi..yesterday i buy 2ndhand escooter..i think motor is 350w.... but battery 60v charge 67.2v ,controller 36v...it can burn or not my controller n motor? pls advise to me
It's unlikely a 36V controller can handle 67V.
60v 2Ah ? lmao, how far can that get you? 4 blocks?
Great how can you tell me if it is a brushless motor
the E300 scooter has a brushed motor. The bike has brushless motor.
But on ebike you have big brushless motor which make it more speed than e 300 razor 24v brush motor
Buk Lau is that you??!!
I made a hoverboard scooter driven by a 60 volt battery
U could burn up the wheel bearings going that fast.
Make 12000mAh Power bank_With Anti BLAST feature
why does the scooter use so much more power cruising at the same speed as the bicycle?
Scooter has brushed DC motor. Bike has brushless DC motor.
vuaeco do you plan to upgrade the motor eventually? You are definitely going to burn it out quickly if its burning that much power off as heat.
@@TheJulienlauth It's fine with brushed motor. I don't always run it at maximum load. You can install a cooling fan if needed. Upgrading with a brushless motor is better but too expensive.
Stop road sign😂straight over. Good video must have go at making the connector to power hub I motor
Can I do this backwards? Can I run 60v power tools with my 52v battery?
Yes
1000w÷48v=20.8A(max), 60v fully charged is 67.2v, ,you can burning your motor ASAP and light, horn etc.
15S battery max is 63V. Its original charger only gets it up to 61.5V max.
Here is my 48V 2000W 42A motor and a 45A 2000W controller. Driving at 35-38mph for 30+ minutes the motor is getting very hot. Here is a short test run video. czcams.com/video/rxD43d7Er_0/video.html
You should have measured the voltage when the current was high. There is a voltage drop for sure... It might not be significant, but there is...
Yes, the voltage will drop under load. But for this test, I used freshly charged battery started at about 62V. The test was brief so the voltage drop isn't that much.
That's irrelevant... I am speaking about the voltage "sag". It is the difference in the voltage in rest vs under load.
the voltage drop will be massive on that very very very very low capacity battery, theese batterys never last long when used at or above their continuous current rating
at 33 amps each cell will have less than 3.4v you can look at the tables "18650 voltage sag". those batteries will die so quickly.
In other words is the current is being pulled out to fast out of the battery the cells are going die. So what should be a good balance for this motor and controller
Didn't know Razor made Tesla scooters!
thumbs up for scotty joke
How long can you run them for
My 48v 1500w hub motor runs 15-30 minutes on 3x 18v 5ah batteries. Hoping for up to 1h run time on full throttle when my 14s8p pack is finished.
one hand dirve dude ? keep it safe, its'nt just risk of burning your tools ?
I need to hold the camera for filming. The bike is very stable even at speed. The road is smooth. At least I wore a helmet
my tricycle 48v can i put battery 60v? Pls help me, brother
Yes
You SHOULD be ok... But again, open the controller box and check the resistor ratings .. they almost always put higher ones than the battery being used
Are you exempt from stop signs???
Yeah liberals can get away with anything, right?
Can I use 60v battery on my ebike is 48 v 1000w
You could do it but you would have to get a 60v charger and your motor should be fine since its 1000 watts but just in case... watch it to make sure it doesn’t get too hot ;)
I am wondering the same thing, have you tested putting the 60v through your ebike ?
Only problem is that the Snapper batteries cost $140 .
Buy it on ebay or Amazon. I got mine for less than $50, new. Just be patient and wait for the right opportunity.
Buklau is dat you??
What do you need, Jay? Do you want to order some Thai food?
from ownage pranks, lmao, was thinking the same
Nooww not thai food i want vietnamese food!
You sound like the guy from ownagepranks
PAHAHAHAH YESSSS
Scotty Kilmer 😆 🤣 😂
Don't watch Scotty Kilmer dude, keep your videos your own :)
How are u charging the battery?
why not to watch?
find out when it might over heat at www.ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html