DIY vs. Professional Spray Foam Insulation - Is It Worth It?
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- On this edition of Inside Lighthouse we deep dive into the world of DIY spray foam insulation kits.
We specifically discuss whether or not a spray foam insulation kit is a viable option for a typical home-owner.
We also discuss whether or not the the cost savings(if any) that a DIY spray foam kit offers outweigh the benefits of choosing a professional spray foam contractor.
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I was gonna pass on the diy option but after watching this I think I’m gonna give it a go. Thanks
This needs more likes 🤣
Agreed .. love how he says at 2 min 30 seconds they use these exact paks for small jobs then proceeds to say they are expensive and not good..
😂😂... truth... I a contractor myself, and, a marketing video was all this was.
The contractor telling you that dyi isn't a good idea. What a surprise 😆
Dude, read the room. Rather than a super tone deaf video bashing other trades and acting like nobody but you can provide this service, give unbiased reasons and supporting facts.
This needs more likes, this was such a stupid video 🤣 so biased, but hey job security 👌🏾
@@marquiiswells Agreed.
I kept waiting for details like they can adjust to mixture to a wider range of temperatures. Instead we get we use a 55 gallon drum and some pumps. Just what is it that makes this task impossible for a home owner or contractor? If you apply it at the prescribed 85° then what is the issue? Are we unable to use a laser temp to get this done? I'm not convinced. It sounds like they are selling the FUD factor: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt can turn into a lot of sales.
Right? The guy seems like he's defending his trade from a box. I don't get it. If you're job can be done by a Froth-pak, you're project isn't even in contractor territory. On the flip side... if your job is even remotely near the realm of a closed cell contractor's consideration... you're not buying a Froth-pak.
@@driverjamescopeland I agree seems now a insulation guy is a contractor but unless it's fiberglass then a actual contractor does it.. best part is at 2:30 when he clearly says they use that pak for small jobs then goes on and says they are not cost efficient.. then why use them .. right ... why make the customer pay for that and the (contractor) if they can use it .. if they pulled up to any of my properties with that in hand amd not there rig I would turn them away .. how can he bash it after saying they use it professionally... wtf
I spray foamed a 600 square foot vaulted ceiling and it was not difficult at all. Its a little messy but just make sure you wear the proper gear and put down some drop cloths. I used 3 each FROTH-PAK™ 620 Low-GWP Spray Foam Sealant Kits from Menards to get 3inches of thickness at about $1800 total cost. (kits are about $700 each now) I was just quoted $4000 from a professional for the same area. so if spending one of your Saturdays is worth $2,000 savings to you, I say go for it, I did and was very satisfied.
Yes. It's out of Sight out of mind , it isn't the same quality as commercial applications but can work
@@vanderumd11 "isn't the same quality as commercial applications"...how do you know?
@@edwardr50849 years in the business lol we run mixers and can tell the difference at sight.
What chemical setting box mix product without a temperature regulation is as good as a product mixed to application
Thanks
@@vanderumd11 god forbid someone graduated high school and can do basic chemistry. It’s temperatures, not Astro-physics… 🫠
This video convinced me to DIY spray foam my basement. Thanks.
What I got out of this was alot of fear mongering. I have 3 600 kits from Tiger Foam that I just recieved. I paid $1800 for all three kits, and was quoted $5k to have a professional do it for me. DIY FTW.
Update: Ok...so I successfully spayed my 1200 SF ceiling. I ended up using all of it because it was really hard to gauge how much i was putting down after my mask started to get covered in spray foam. I'm glad I did it, but I don't think I ever want to do it again. It was genuinely the messiest thing I have ever done...
@@mbrang00 what website did you order your kit from? Thnx
@@mbrang00 It was so messy you would rather spend 3200 more to have someone else do it?
@@benwilliams2487 have someone else do it professionally. Great coverage and the smell difference. (Proper ratio for heat)
@@benwilliams2487Exactly. I'll take that pay for a weekend's work.
I just watched a half-dozen or more videos of DIYers saying how they did it for the first time and it turned out great.
I got quoted 6000 dollars which was a ripoff - do it yourself.
I watched a video of a guy doing his metal building and it looked like fido's ass. I couldn't do any better on my first try either but I wouldn't want to spray my expensive building with these kits for a first timer. With that said, I agree with comments above that companies won't even do a job if it's under 3,4,5K, and I bet this guy in the vid won't either.
@@chasehammock I just got quoted 7k to do an entire 830sqft house including the attic and crawl space floors. I'm thinking if I could get it done with some neighbors helping for half it would be worth me fumbling through it and learning. Seems inappropriately expensive!
Thanks man, you convinced me to stick with the traditional DIY way of insulating!
I run 3 spray foam rigs in upstate NY, go through 260 sets in a given year and still believe these froth packs are fantastic. Even for consumers they have their use case. Granted you're not going to spray a whole pole barn and have perfect yield but for some penetrations, rim joists, small surface areas these are perfect. It's a great alternative. Besides most spray foam outfits are not showing up for anything less then a 1/2 days worth of work
Thanks for your input!
Whats your cost I'm in rochester interested in replacing my existing insulation with spray foam
@@liamcondon225 That's probably too far out of our range. We service Catskills/Adirondack region. Costs vary per application and use case. Feel free to reach out to sales@prestigeNRG.com or www.prestigeNRG.com
@@mrgylex123 ahh don't hate when a simple price range can be applicable
To say, “look at all this equipment, and look at this box, you can’t do the same job with the box”, is kind of like looking at 75k worth of lawnmowers on a trailer and looking at 600 bucks worth of 1 push mower and weed whacker and saying you can’t do the same job. You usually get the better job with the small mower. It doesn’t scale to a profitable business, but that’s not something a customer should care about.
I do not agree with your analogy, but thanks for watching!
@@patrickmahoney1160 You do not agree because you are selling your service. You need some of that equipment, like heated hoses, because you have to keep that equipment running all year long. A home owner can wait for the perfect conditions to start his job.
I would like to add that these 2 chemicals under pressure is ok like he said for small touch ups but you can't guarantee a one to one ratio. It is dangerous to spray this stuff if it doesn't cure properly in the long run. If you look at Matt Risinger's channel you'll see he applied some and it was just goop because the ratio was way off, and that's dangerous. But the one spraying this may not know and have no training on this type of application.
@@SinnisjInsulator then it is the responsibility of the consumer. Not to mention to have to get permits to even do this stuff in the first place.
Who is the target audience of this video? People who are obviously researching positives and negatives and risks associating with using a closed cell sprayfoam kit. This video provided no value whatsoever to explain the risks with DIY.
All it did was say 'it costs less to just hire us, look at our expensive equipment, this box don't do that!'.
You are taking the worst possible scenario and turning it into the rule for the average purchaser of this equipment. Yet we see tons of people with success with these products more available.
@@Lolatyou332 I've used this stuff and you have to watch carefully that the gun doesn't get clogged up. And then you just need to remember the procedure to switch the nozzle.
being mexican i feel like there’s always someone in your family that will do it for a couple beers and a taco
😆😆😆 and maybe some tequila..............
Lol
Best response.
I got quoted 15000.00 for a 1230sqft single family home on a single story which included spraying the roof deck. After figuring out much product I would need to do it myself the cost would be about half, give or take. So even if I totally wasted a 600 board foot pack, I would still be saving approximately half of what was quoted to me to do my project. I watched hours of do it yourselfers applying this product and I think I’ll try it myself thank you. You make it sound like you need a master’s degree in spraying foam. First of all, I need to save money so I can get through this project, second, these kits are almost idiot proof to set up and get going. No mixing on your own the biggest thing seems to be temperature. And the third thing is that given that a lot of folks out there, including me like doing shit and want to learn how to do new things, I think this video is all bull!! Maybe a little bit of a learning curve but come on dude, if the crack smoking junkies that I see on the job sites can spray foam affective then there should be very little reason why a doityourselfer can’t accomplish a spray foaming project. You should be making this same video about the do it yourself brain surgery kit instead, not the froth pack!
same result as me. quoted $4000 for a shop ceiling. did it for $1200 myself. the key was heating the bottles and the surface it was put onto. this video is typical for a business trying to talk DIYer's out of saving money lol
Couldn't agree more his husband probably thinks he whines too much. Masters Degree in spray foam Ha!. He's not from my generation but, you probably are! Cheers-
THE PROBLEM IS YOU SPRAY FOAM GUYS WONT EVEN LOOK AT A JOB UNDER $ 5000.00. SO THE HOME OWNER THAT NEEDS TO SPRAY A BATHROOM RENO OR CRAWL SPACE , HAS NO OTHER OPTION THEN TO PURCHASE THESE KITS,
Exactly. These guys think they're like engineers or something and us pee-ons aren't able to do anything...
Agree. If there is any contractor would do 3 - 4in of the 64 sq ft wall (bath remo) for 700? Mind you, I will still have extra, e.g. to fix other known iso problems.
yeah, this guy just sounds like a jerk. yeah I know his equipment is perfect for the job, and I wish my kit can that much control, but my job I need done is too small for anyone to want to do. I had called a couple of foaming crews. the first crew passed me onto a second crew as a practical joke to their competitor, and the second crew got upset I was even asking about a job so small.
And then we get into trouble with inspectors saying that the kits aren't approved... at least in Ontario that's what happened to us..
I wish he would have addressed that point. He has overhead. He needs a min charge. It would have been helpful to know what that is for him. Maybe I add another project to the bath remodel and everyone wins.
Ok, I didn't watch the whole video but got the gist right away. I can't get any contractor to even come out at a $3500 minimum charge to spray about 500 sq ft. I had to order a Froth Pak because I know what conventional insulation will do to the metal walls of my shop. The point is, if Professionals won't serve the needs of the small job customers - it has to be DIY, just like most of my projects. I will attempt it because I have had success with plumbing, electrical, carpentry, A/C, and automotive projects that Professionals told me I didn't know how to do.
Did you complete the 500 sq. ft. job using the Froth Pack system? If so, please state how it turned out. Was it more difficult than expected? Did you have issues with the mixing ratio?
Everything Patrick said....makes 100% sense. BUT....reality is....most people are not going to pay you 3 times more (sometimes more) than traditional insulation or doing it themselves. Your industry has been around long enough....you guys need to get past your space age...this is the futuristic magic stuff dreams are made of. Time to become competitive.
What Jimmy said. This is just fear mongering.
Just looking for an unbiased review. Now I will be buy this just so I can show you that I can do it on my first try!!! I will be back once the project is done ✅
Did ya finish the project?
How'd it turn out?
And?
Everyone is anxiously awaiting your followup post!
These kits are sold for the DIY that has a small job to do. I got 2 quotes from professional spray foam companies to spray a 10X20 Steel shed. Both quotes were right at $3000. I can buy several kits and do it myself for a LOT less.
That's exactly why I am looking into this. I have a 12 x 20 shed I want to insulate. If I could hire a professional to do it for less than $1,000 or less I would but they are not interested in a job that small. I have to do it myself.
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It goes up quick screws with washers
Like drywall is so easy to diy like a pro?! Or sticking two boards together?! Lost a lot of respect in the opening lines
I fully agree!!! Dude is a full knob
Dont forget painting because a 1st grade kid can paint a house!
I've watched drywall pros work, and I know what I am capable of doing serveral diy jobs. Sure I can get it to look almost as good as theirs...in a week compared to a few hours. This video was very condescending with no value. If they are competitive in price why can't they give you some tips on how to best use a kit for smaller jobs....since they wouldn't be willing to bring out all that equipment at a competitive price anyways.
He basically just said he uses the froth paks but we can’t. He even has them in the shop.
I used the froth pak 200 for my sill plate and it was easy. I completed the project in 2 hours and saved a lot of money in heating from the prior year. Sounds like this guy is scared of the competition. I would like to see some practical use between the two systems rather than bashing.
This video should be called "You can't, I can, pay me."
So I tried multiple times to get a local spray foam contractor to spray the underside of a 20’ container to make my wood kiln. I found one guy who quoted $500 who committed to a date and time and never showed up or returned my calls and messages. Other contractors quoted $1500-2000 to insulate my container minimum which might have finished the inside. I installed 1-1/2” panels and foamed the edges with a Froth pak 200 kit for a little over $200. You can trash those kits to your heart’s content but these contractors must think that they’re spraying gold based on what they quote.
Man you need learn how to talk and how to respect all trades. Every single one of them has a learning curve and each one has equal value, so don’t try to put anyone down, that’s just the best way to go downhill and have no one to lift you up
It says a lot that this guy is selling his business and trying to prove he and his colleagues can only do it right and he has not answered any of the good questions posted >
All I see here is a guy trying to protect his industry. Such a negative nancy. The problem is, as others have already stated, the industry doesn't come out for these small jobs and if they do charge ridiculous amounts so it can be cost effective for them. Even if you waste a pack learning it would still be cheaper than the pro.
Another guy who thinks he is a genius because he can point and click.
Literally the only thing you've said is that the temperature of the kit needs to be regulated.
I'm literally hiring a guy to spray foam closed cell on my roof, but I see no reason why a normal person can't spray foam themselves using these kits.
The problem with tradesmen (especially physical labourers), they think normal people can't possibly have the skill required to do their jobs. Guess what bro, your job is easy as fuck, the only competitive advantage you have is that you bought a bunch of equipment to ensure consistency.
Are you telling me that you can do the same thing at the same cost of one of these packs......please.
So don't try and do it yourself?! Hire you or a contractor? I see people using this diy and have no issues. Im pretty handy and have faith in myself.
I appreciate your opinion on this matter. Typically I would absolutely follow your advice. However, I just got quoted $2000 to do a 10 x 20 garage wall. I understand the guy has to make money, but that is beyond ridiculous. So, I'm gonna study up on this product, and keep looking for a suitable alternative.
I was looking for a vid on diy cavity wall insulation, but came across this and thought I'll have a watch.... And the award for the most condescending video goes to...
I am only doing an 8’x8’ wall…. Not sure a spray foam contractor would even consider coming to do the job. To me this is the perfect answer for me. Thanks for the video.
I’ve used this product many times for small diy jobs at my home . It’s very unfortunate that u haven’t been so forth coming about difficulty!!!!
One problem with getting a professional to do small jobs is that most aren't interested in small jobs. I gutted a guest room and wanted two exterior walls foamed. Most contractors that I called were only interested in large projects. I finally found a small contractor to insulate the two walls with foam for $1,400 for 2 inches. I paid him $1,800 to completely fill the 2x4 studs (R-21.)
Could you answer how home owners can get done small jobs like in the 100's sq ft range. Show us how the kits don't make sense. Give some costs.
Ha! I received a few quotes to spray foam my 30x44 shop and they were all in the neighborhood of $15k. Bought my froth paks right around $6k. Several hundred dollars aye?
So you have the DIY kit right there. Can't we get a video where you spray it with your honest abilities and we see the results?
You remind me of our welldriller. He quoted me an astronomical amount of money to drop the pump in. I said nope, too much. I'll do it. He virtually said the same thing you are here about spray foam. You can't do it as good as us. Installing a well pump is magic! You'll screw it up. We'll, it's been a year now and my well pump is running like a champ. Never been happier. Did I do it just like he would've? Nope! Did I make any mistakes? Yep. But it's in and it's not magic. Do your research. Take your time. Dude quoted me 11k, I did it for 4k saving 7k. Granted your spray foam technique at boardfoot #1 isn't going to be great at all. But by the time you get to boardfoot 300, you're going to be yeah, I got this. Will it come out as good as yours? He'll naw! But will it be good enough? Yep. Thats my take. If you go into the project knowing that, you'll be fine.
Half the reason people buy these is because spray foam installers are super booked, or dont call you back so the "industry" is doing it to themselves. I got quotes at almost 15k for my attic, had another guy say 8k(both closed cell) both are a 2 month wait so time vs winter. I also used 2 frothpaks for a smaller wall area and they legit work just fine.
You’re right…. I booked a guy 3 times and he keeps no showing. I think I talked him down to a price that he deems too low to do my bus ceiling. He doesn’t return calls or texts so yes they do it to themselves. The other guy I called said that job isn’t big enough for me to come out. Like wtf? That’s why it’s important to give a nonbiased opinion and not a Foam Industry advertisement like this video comes off
This is not like other trades....lol dude I'm a electrician you are a joke, this is a 9 min video will little it no real information. You even admit you use these kits for small jobs yet try to compare it to your large system..no logic just a smug guy thinking he is special.
Wow the mixed comments some pretty damn rude, but my question is: You repeatedly stated the average homeowner what does a person do when for example they live in an off grid situation in a 396 Sq Ft Tiny Home and the nearest foam contract is a 3 1/2 drive away. The price point as I figured it would be cheaper to use closed cell and do it myself at $2,500.00 versus the quotes I have received that ranged $4,200.00 to $8,500.00 with the biggest chuck of that cost being the 3 1/2 hour drive time. I only post this because I learned real quick having to have a simple perk test on property completed with contractors a mere 20 miles away wanted $3,850.00 just to dig a hole and do a soil test.
SHOW us diy people how to properly use a froth pack and for the larger job we would call you making it cost effective.
Comparing a project pack of consumer closed cell to contractor rate per board foot, is pointless. You don't buy a Froth-pak to insulate a home, for the same reason you dont call a contractor to seam seal a small project. What contractor is going to pull his professional plural component rig to do a 5 minute job, if they don't live next door? They might do it... but 80% of your rate is going to be transport and setup charge. Not only that... but you're working with a contractor, on their time. The Froth-pak allows a consumer to throw a DIY box in a buggy, and not have to worry about finding someone willing to do such small job, or working around their availability. You grab the box, do the prep, wait for proper conditions or run a heater, and knock it out. In short, if you're even considering a contractor, you're not buying a Froth-pak. If you're buying a Froth-pak, you're not hiring contractor.
For the guy who just wants to do his basement sills or one wall, those little kits are perfect. Places where the cans just arent enough.
A fairly small, straightforward project. Metal building, in a dry, warm environment. About 1000 square feet of coverage. Contractor wants $7500. 2-3 600 sq. ft. "frothpaks" - about $2k. From all the videos I have seen, if you do the prep work, and are careful about temp and mixing, it should not be a problem. I understand if I was doing a living space, in a wood building, yes, I would probably go with a contractor, but saying these products are useless, is an overstatement.
Funny you say don't use it but you say you use it for touch up jobs. Product works good used about 30 tanks so far for a few jobs
The problem where I live is a spray foam crew costs 3 grand minimum to show up. And when you need to cover a small area or around a sill plate, it's well worth the value.
Mr expert, would you touch a 50sq ft job for the cost of one of these kits?
He definately would not. Wouldnt be worth his time to set up for the job even and waste the consumables (nozzle tips, throwaway ppe, etc) for the job.
Fr I'd Rather buy multiple small 25 board foot closed cell cans and do it myself than pay several grand just to get these assholes to show up.
These "only X hundred more" posts are HILARIOUS. The more appropriate situations for DIY 100% save you more $$. 1700sqft house, want to condition the attic space. 2 quotes, 12k for OPEN CELL. Double for closed cell. The problem is the INDUSTRY, not the box kits. Y'all aren't Van Gough, no need for $40hr employees. That's the problem, you aren't special. Start at the edges and fill in the middle. A tough corner is a tough corner no matter who is doing it. But luckily is SHOOTS LIQUID to get in the corner. Having said all that, this isn't for a DIYer that replaces a light and says they are a DIYer. This is for the person who will pex their own house, not a small task no matter how easy the trigger is. If you spray ab attic, you NEED to get ventilation up there from inside. So he is right in it's not as simple as spray and bs done. But the act of spraying isn't that hard. Lower your profit margin expectations and quit imagining exponential growth actually exists. And hire laborers, that's what they are, that dont expect to roll into the office in a Mercedes.
Obviously per board foot the non-kit option is cheaper. The issue is professionals don't get off their ass for less than $10k. Quit pretending you're some kind of unique artist. All kinds of people can do a small project with these kits. If this product was the crap you accuse it of being, the company would be bankrupt.
You would do well to realize that DIY’ers are the ones watching this video. We know what our limits are and nothing you’ve said can change that. Further, if there are professionals utilizing this product successfully in the field, you can bet there are 10 times as many DIY’ers who are equally as capable of not better than pros.
You’ve come across as threatened by DIY’ers but do nothing they convince us that you’re better at it. There’s a market for your service, and it’s not a DIY’ers home.
So you're telling me that I should spend $19,000 to spray my shop instead of $5,000?... ya right
I agree on the box foam for sure. We do sidewalk grinding. I’m considering getting into slab lifting. Just trying to figure out which equipment to purchase and what to stay away from.
I wish I had included the possible use case for these. They do have their place in the hands of someone who cares. I have some experience with the concrete lifting. Give me a call at the office if you want to get some info.
Let me know what you find out. Our front porch sank quite a bit and was thinking of using foam to lift it back.
This video and his condescending smirk makes me want to do a small job myself rather than pay a contractor. When he mentions that they measure surface temperature, hose temperature , humidity...etc I said to myself....these guys will schedule a job any day, any time, any weather condition and come and spray your house, that's just a sales pitch. sorry but I was hoping to see a real comparison of what the kit can do vs professional equipment.
After I see all of your equipment and read the directions on the Froth-Pak, I see the only critical piece of this technology is temperature. If I plan appropriately for the space/material and the canisters to be in the 70-80 degree range, I can afford to have an extra pak ready and available for a small job.
If anyone has heating pads for the your back or the plant heating mats for like $15-20 bucks just wrap the container heat it with that. Problem solved
@@jovanny253 Thank-you for the suggestion. I have seen other videos doing the same thing.
Guy that owns a spray foam business doesn't think you ought to do it yourself, coincidence?....
I agree with you especially on the cost. It's very expensive per board foot. Sure some companies charge $3-4 Canadian a square foot, but that's for say an r24 or 4 inches of application. Plus this stuff you have to check the spray pattern like a hawk and the gun trigger sometimes breaks....
If you can do it I can do it too. The difference between you and I is I will actually show up to the job. The biggest problem with contractors is they don’t show up to do the job so homeowners are forced to learn and do it themselves
if you're doing a diy remodel such as a bathroom a foam self-kit makes sense i agree large project different.
Having just used this stuff(the FrothPak 650 insulation) for my ceiling, I agree with nearly everything you said. It's very expensive, and it's really tough to apply correctly and get the advertised coverage with that crappy little spray gun. Plus the gun drips all over the place, and you don't have many spray nozzles so it's hard to really sit back and assess the job your are doing once you get started. And all of this is on top of having to be in full hazmat gear with a respirator because this stuff is very toxic.
I was quoted a pretty good price from a local company, but I was skeptical because here in the US, this stuff is not regulated well enough. But it would have been significantly cheaper, faster, and less stressful to go that route, assuming they did a good job and used good foam.
I just got a quote for 30,000 for my 1250 sqft house. R38 in ceilings and R21 in the walls. The structure is on piers so the floor calls for R30. I opened the estimate and about had a coronary. I expected it to be half that.
I got quoted 75000 for a 3600 square foot house with vapor barrier. 3 inch closed cell throughout. WTF
I disagree with this guy, I did it myself & saved a fortune! My personal opinion is this guy doesn't like the froth-pak system because it takes away their business.
I became skeptical of DIY spray foam when I used the cans to seal around a ton of windows and doors. Of course I'd done this a hundred times on tiny jobs, but this was the most I'd ever done in one shot. Most of the cans clogged up long before they were empty. I had zero control over how much came out and when. We used a full case for a job that SHOULD have taken 1/2 that. Based on the math we did going into it, we spent double what the company said it would.
This is for a relatively tiny job. A little homeowner sealing around some newly installed windows in a single room addition. It didn't break us, but it drove home how tricky any spray foam insulation really was. The idea of bumping into just one of these issues for 1000 board feet of insulation is nightmarish.
For just the cost of the product plus around $500, we can hire a local company to do it right the first time. Sounds like we could save ourselves $500, doesn't it?
Well, throw on top of the material cost the PPE, the right tools to shave down any excess, the cost of tools we don't even know we need, and the enormous cost of anything going wrong and I think we'll break the bank if we attempt to do it ourselves. Immediately. I'm also going to put a price on our frustration and 'newborn calf' level of armature bumbling around and yes, I'd absolutely pay $500 not to deal with it.
I'm grateful for those stupid cans of spray foam because it made me pause and do some actual research. I'd assumed that having it professionally done would be so expensive that I didn't even bother to ask. I think I got this impression a long time ago when spray foam first came on the market. It was crazy expensive back then. But competition and the free market has made it competitive - as it does with all things.
QUESTION: What is the major causes of closed cell foam installation installed by a contractor creating off-smelling gases? Is it installation outside of temperatures recommended by manufacturer? I'm in South Florida. It's my understanding that closed cell foam is formed by an exothermic chemical reaction. If the temperature gets too high, the chemical reaction is no longer controlled and can create unanticipated off gases. Thoughts?
I don’t get why these people make videos but won’t answer anyone’s questions.
A video from a different spray foam professional talked about the issue off spray foam giving off smelly gases. One of the more common reasons is the contractor using expired product. With my experience dealing with contractors these last few years I am not surprised by the idea of contractors sacrificing quality to try to save money by using leftover expired product.
Within the last year I’ve had six contractors to my house for quotes or work and out of those six there’s one that I would have back. Too many contractors look for a quick job that costs big money. I’ve seen them cutting corners, not knowing what they’re doing, or straight up lying to my face about a job.
Got two quotes to do 1200 bf of closed cell roof insulation…one was $5500 and the other was $7000. It’s been a lot of work, but I bought 40 sheets of 1.5” RMAX Thermasheath-3 for $850. Got about half of it done over the weekend and will have saved around $4,200 all said and done after factoring in the cost of the can foam to seal the edges. Next comes the R-30 batts
WELL I THINK THOSE RMAX POLYISO LAST ABOUT 15 YEARS AFTERWARDS THEY LOSE R-VALUE
@@MrDICKHEAD28 that's not true
@@atroche1978 OK MINE GIVING SOME INFO
Was quoted 13000 to remove current attic insulation and have spray foam installed! I’ll shop vacuum it out myself and by six kits and still come out 7k ahead and at 6 kits that’s double my sq ft so should have pretty much about the same if not better quailing
I just install R30 and string it with galvanized bailing wire with a staple gun across the rafters with foil faced bat underneath and I’m good to go for a lot less moola!
This is all about these new companies hating on DIY. This was gross to watch.
BS! I just got a quote for 2” over 4600 square feet of surface area minus garage doors, man doors and windows for over $13k. That’s $3/brd.ft.!
I did my garage roof a few yrs back -- when done I was wishing I had gone with the the contractor that was about 200$ more.
Cheers
I wish you had given more actual information. I haven’t really been deterred from doing my attic myself. I was looking for actual facts. From what you are saying I just need to watch the temp and make sure it’s mixing right..?
Whats goin on with the Froth pak kits??? Theyre SOLD OUT everywhere😳
I hate to break it to ya but these kits have been around a LONG time before the "plandemic" chief. .. I'd still rather SAVE money buying the DIY kits than take the hit financially paying yall to come do my small job.
I LOVE Froth Pak (I purchased 8 Froth Pak 650 (make sure the temp is above 75 degrees.
A landscaper has expensive mowers and trimmers. They get the job done quick and clean.
That doesn't mean I can't get a nice cut with my residential rider. Takes a longer but it gets the job done.
In other words you suggest homeowners hire you because you have a lot more overhead than a froth kit, and you actually use the diy kits for "touch ups".
Nah, not convinced by your "argument" I'm buying the Froth-Pak
My nephew was wanting to spray his shop, he got a quote, we did the math on how much we would need to do it ourselves. $400 difference, he would save $400 so he decided to save his time for another project and hire someone to spray it.
I'm doing the spray foam myself because the local contractors are idiots and never show up when there supposed to.
I agree with most comments. Fear mongering. What I have seen in my lifetime is that a large portion of contractors do shit jobs and empty your bank account. I have only hired three contractors. My roof and to paint my house. The third was to pour and finish my new driveway and backyard patio, 33 yards. I did all of the prep work. They did a shit job. I have a bunch of cracks in the concrete and they didn’t slope it correctly at the drain I installed. This is why I do everything at my house. Just because you say you are a contractor doesn’t mean that you know what you are doing.
100%. I spent a lot of money on a slab for metal shop. I had to constantly watch the crew constantly and make sure they did what I asked for. Even after doing that, the job was crap and already have cracks. If there is a way for me to do the work myself, I will do it because I don't trust contractors!
Its spray foam that comes out of a can. It was only a matter of time before they made it DIY. If the installers wouldn't have priced themselves out of the market they wouldn't be going out of business. I got quoted 15k for a 30x50 building. No way I'm spending 15k with the DIY kits and I can guarantee its going to be pretty solid when finished. Maybe I will miss a couple of spots but its just a workshop that we might have some framed in space to live in temporarily while our house is being built.
"We love interacting with you guys and we love seeing the comments," yet I don't see much interaction. LMAO well I've seen my first and only video from this channel 😂😂
In my situation this guy is dead on. Yes.. It most likely cost me more to spray rim joists doing it DIY. I did 3x200 board feet kits in my crawl space. The difficult location moving around the bottles and having to go through 3 kits made it 3 x the effort. On one application the valve on the bottle must have been turned from moving around in the crawl space and foam did not mix correctly causing it to spray liquid and not cure/dry properly in some spots. Hey live an learn, at least I'm smarter now and can share this with you. In the end the job turned out fine after cutting away some of the uncured foam.. The 3rd touch up after waiting a few weeks for the bad spray job to dry and be cut away fixed everything. I preferred the 200 board Froth-pack because they are not as big and are easy to move around in a small crawl space. So I really think bringing in a contractor would have been the same price with less effort and better coverage.
There is no point to spend the money for a professional to come in and put in spray foam to a tiny space for 10x the money of one of those froth paks. I was quoted $3700 CAD(canadian peso) for the rim joist (rim brick in my case) for 2" worth of foam on a total of 180 ft. I needed 1.5x froth pak 200's and one afternoon at the time of purchase, was about $930 CAD. There was little waste, the job was done, temp of surface was 22C, temp of tanks was 24C, relative humidity was 30-35% range.
The application was even, only went through two nossles of the 4 provided per pak. I ended up using the rest of the second kit for random sealing (into the void space of my cmu block foundation wall above and below some new penetrations for exhaust vents). IMHO, I got my moneys worth with the product.
No issues with mix consistency (the brittle overmix of A, or the discoloration/lack of hardening from an overmix of B), but then again, i did the proper prep work, and didnt spray till everything was fully empty either.
Hi there, thank for all information.
I'm going to build a Container House.
It's n a mountain
Summer avg 118 F° ~ 132,8 F°
Winter avg 5 F° ~ -13 F°
What is the best insulation solution for my 40ft ship container home? 🙏🏼
Thank you
DIY spray foam is perfect for insulating a van build. It's a small job and doesn't have to be perfect.
The only reason why the prices are comparative is because they package 2 cheap chemicals together in an easy manner and mark it up ridiculously… like you do with yours lol except you don’t mark up the material like them, you mark it up a bit and add labour.
So glad I ran across this video. I want to spray foam the inside of my tiny home, I am building inside of a short bus. The inside is gutted, it’s metal. The square footage is 105sq ft. I’m just worried I won’t be able to find a company near me who will spray foam such a small project.
Is the kit a bad idea for a small metal space?? Please help!!
Use the kit it is great .. even this guy says he uses it in his business at 2 minutes 30 seconds... it is good and you can go fast or slow to get your own amount of foam.. used this on my shed love it ... to get your amount needed here is how to do the math .. ft² X inches thick =board feet for foam insulation.. 1000ft X 1.5 inch thick foam = 1500 board feet super easy .. and with a bus you can always scrap it off if need be
I've been in another trade where people price me all the time. Some would rather do it themselves, and will if they can. In 25 years I've had plenty of people pick my brain and waste my time, oh well, that's just part of sales, I don't mind as I sell about 90%. I tell them if they want to do it themselves, and are capable, knock yourself out.
Dude, I can't get a reputable spray foam company to come out to 92365 and foam my 30x40 metal building with 2-in coverage! I'm going to have to attempt the job myself.
"the average homeowner can't do what I hire illegals to do through common hand gestures at home depot. Please hire me."
It's hard, I see the ratio (upvotes downvotes) and can sympathize with both sides. The cost of SF is so high that people are looking for any alternative, that's why we see these boxes. On the other hand it is like sheetrock despite him calming otherwise. A pro with the right tools will accomplish much more and faster than a novice with far fewer access to the needed tools.
I have a 3600 sqft ceiling (and lots of walls) but won't bother with SF because any other insulation will be 20-30% less, and if I do it myself more like 60% less. 10k VS 20k is a lot. Paying someone to do 1 day of work can't cost me an extra 10k.
Show me a company who will do a small project and I’ll hire them!
People, these kits are GREAT. I was quoted 10 THOUSAND dollars to foam my shop, I spent $1500 (three kits of closed cell foam) and my shop is so nice now. I used to spray foam for ranger boats, these kits are GREAT and just fine. These guys are just pissed it's putting them out of business. LMAO
I've contacted 3 contractors and 0 have actually showed up to do the work.
I had a project that was moderately sized. A 12 foot by 24 foot metal building. I priced kits I could use and a professional. It was cheaper for the pros. To do than me buying the kits.
🤣 I dont think this video had the intended impact looking at the comments. Almost sounds like you're afraid that people can do your job for 25c on the dollar.
Here's a guy who fkd up, bought all thus expensive equipment then realized he could of went to his local box store and picked up some. He's basically telling us that we can't do it ourselves, that we are dummies. He's protecting his investment. CZcams has lost of videos on how to. If others can do the DIY foam and there's success, then I'm going that route to.
Def cheaper and better going with the pros, however the kits let the diy do it in increments so it doesnt hurt the bank as much.
Says the diy cant mix it, process the material properly, proportionate the material properly, at a good price point. But also says he uses the diy for small jobs. Huh.
Call a contractor and get a quote for 200bf and lets see you not get laughed out of the room or quoted a price that would finance the next moon launch. Lets see it 🙄
Are you saying that I can get a professional to spray 200 board feet of foam at 2 inches thick for $400?