The Best Precon Commander Ever for cEDH! | Stella Lee cEDH Deck Tech
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Hilariously, I was just telling a couple friends that this deck is going to creep into cEDH without a doubt.
Good video
I like Dramatic Reversal in the list because it functionally adds another instant speed win, even if it's a little convoluted. You might be able to do the same thing with Birgi, but the infinite mana just makes it so easy to say "I'm going to lightning bolt infinitely until I win."
Convoluted infinite loop description: Untap + draw spell on stack (say cerulean wisps) with Stella untapped, cast and resolve Borne, cast Timetwister, tap to copy Timetwister, hold priority and cast any second untapper and bolt/gut shot from hand. When the copy Timetwister resolves, your extra untapper and the damage spell will shuffle into the deck with an untapped Stella, Timetwister, and wisps still on the stack. Now you can keep digging and do it all over again so long as the original Timetwister never resolves.
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Alternatively you could just play a secondary win con like the twinflame/dualcaster combo you're already on. That works too.
I did figure this out after recording 🤣
couldn't you also do dramatic reversal + the one ring?
I have a question about this line. When the copied timetwister resolves, doesn’t it shuffle cerulean wisp back in the deck? You’re still able to copy it to redraw your deck?
Big shoutout for considering budget options for places where proxies arent allowed!
You did a great job already explaining things to upgrade the deck first with. Would be cool if you made a video fully on upgrading it to that cEDH deck. I just got the precon and I’m trying to get into cEDH cuz my boys play it and Stella looks so fun would be cool to hear what pieces are super super necessary and what pieces are luxury. Overall, such a great video tho!!
Tidal bore was my first card, blowing my mind that it can play up to a cedh power level in this build ❤
Love seeing the test hands and your thoughts on them
I've been testing her and I think Twinflame is a great card on the deck, it can "give haste" to Stella by creating the copy and has a nice synergy if you have another non-legendary creature on the battlefield, you can pay the strive cost, target both that creature and Stella, copy it, create a hasty untapped copy of Stella and a copy of the other creature, and with the loop you can generate infinite hasty tokens
Yeah I was using that in my first iteration but was finding I play so few creatures that the interaction didn't come up as much as I had hoped
what about Molten Duplication? the Dualcaster+Duplication line is just so compact that it feels wrong to cut it...
2 mana sorcery for haste is bad, I've cut it from my lists.
Been on this since she was previewed had a deck ready to go prebuilt lmao, I absolutely love her as a former Niv-mizzet enthusiast she does everything I ever wanted Niv to do and more, while yes they are both functionally different decks, she does what Niv can do but faster and has more ways to win on an opponents turn, on top of their wins or bowmaster.
Also you want to add a Manual storm style outlet, Displacer Kitten + Brass's Tunnel Grinder (also fuels breach if needed) I like this line also just slaps a table if you stick spell seeker with kitten. lmk if you want my crapshoot list also working on her still, I like the Tidal Bore idea may cut emeritas for that XD
Love to see cEDH viable Commanders printed in precons. I hope MH3’s Commander decks will be along these same lines. Top notch quality content as always, Mr. Flannery!
This might finally be my first Izzet deck... I love the look of this.
what does izzet mean?
The color combo - red & blue
Hey Ian, thoughts about Frantic Search in Stella Lee ?
Decent card velocity, mana neutral alone (if 3 lands) for reaching storm count 3, is a ritual when copied by Stella Lee, and mana positive loot the whole deck with Stella Lee + Minamo.
Or is reliance on artefact mana too big of a problem ?
Totally jumping on the Stella wagon!
Welcome aboard 🤠
Fiery inscription combod with the draw cards and untap is another combo
I won the other day with my budget stella with shore up + archmage emeritus, drawing my deck from magecraft triggers and then casting twisted fealty for lethal
I think compared to Gutshot, Borne Upon a Wind is a better answer against Bowmaster on your combo turn, Since Stella can just activate on top of Bowmaster trigger to continue your draw. Then you can Borne for Twisted Fealty and win on top of all the bowmaster triggers.
But the card might just make it into the deck because it costs 0 mana
We're on both 🤷
Been enjoying this deck quite a bit. My build is not optimal because of the proxy rules at my LGS, but I can make tables scoop when I pop off. Only thing that this deck is weak against is Rule of Law effects. Any spell that limits your ability to cast spells each turn needs to be countered.
I changed like 5 cards. Dropping mid draws for single cost draw spells. Personal and mystic tutor. And the deck has not lost. Its insane
Idk if i saw it but does it run that new copy spell molten duplication i think it is, also how do you feel about adding displacer kitten?
I have every card in this list except led. What would you recommend instead?
I’ve been running her and she is amazing. I’ve been on Dramatic reversal with walking ballista which has been a great backup win line. Also Shore up goes infinite with Stella and makes her infinitely big. It’s really funny. She is an amazing commander and will definitely become a cedh staple.
I’m running everything else too that combos with her. She is ridiculous.
I put ezone along with born upon a wind if your cutting it close mana wise while bowmaster is in play 1 mana crack it with all the bowmaster triggerson the stack get your 0 stuff into play and win from there with roughly 80 bowmaster triggers and original spell on stack
How do you feel about this commander possibly getting the KOS status? A lot of people are talking about how fast it can be, which I think is going to warp play around it.
when will you release update with Winota. Excited to see it.
Are we going to have a decklist video for the new Bruse Tarl too? 👀
Been testing Kari zev’s as a way to 6 mana win the game, cast Stella cast Kari zev give haste and then get to cast refocus or wisps ect for free and is your third spell to combo off. The biggest issue I’m finding, ironically, is having space for all the cards the deck could play. I’m completely off of brain freeze also and am on dualcaster combos. The brain freeze line feels bad and brain freeze doesn’t do much for the deck otherwise. I still play led and breach because they’re good. Dual caster i think overall is a “stronger” card than brain freeze outside of combo and using the molten dupe/twinflame stuff to get haste/go infinite isn’t bad. Definitely a commander that you can spend many hours refining and testing. Very Izzet.
IMO you should be playing Crimson Wisps over Expedite. It lets you dodge Red Blast and Pyro Blast.
Shore Up is nice because you can just kill someone who has no blockers.
Personal Tutor is kinda nuts! I think you should include it. Stella's "secret" 1st ability lets you essentially draw the card right away.
Notable to mention even stuff like hidden stirring or dramatic reversal to make infinite mana Is a good wincon
Infinite mana isn't a win condition though, so we'd need more parts
Can you provide a cheap list upgrade for someone who just started playing and is considering this as the first purchase?
For people who play archmage emeritus or storm kiln artist tidal bore can also turn into a draw your deck or infinite treasure combo. But I guess they're maybe to slow since the deck focuses more on speed than value engines like those two
That's what I found too
I love the deck but it’s hard to build because there’s different ways you can build the deck theme and still win in edh or cedh, I build the deck around,token spam spell burn, flashback/jumpstart mechanics.
how do you manually lightning bolt people to death?
In the second hand you try, would you ever gamble for underworld breach? I haven't done the math, but if you can escape LED + gamble for brain freeze, you have a turn-2 kill. No protection whatsoever though, so maybe not good enough?
Luckily comboing with the instant speed stuff doesn’t need to worry about bowmasters. You tap to make a copy of wisp. Resolve and draw. Bowmaster trigger on the stack, in response tap commander and draw. Since you have borne upon a wind you can win with all the bow master triggers on the stack. I think this deck will be more like rog/si. Decent in Swiss and worse in top 16 where people will be more willing to mull against it
Twiddle is another good protection spell for protecting your win condition.
Intuition lines are pretty nuts if you can copy your intuition first copy gets win conditions and second copy gets FoW, Fierce Guardianship, and Deflecting Swat. Hyper protected win.
You don’t want to copy the intuition though most of the time. Usually you’re just gonna want to have Stella untapped to go for the win.
How are twitch and refocus win cons by themselves??? I might have misunderstood but you mentioned that in the flusterswarm scenario.
and cerulean wisp, well, once you ate the whole deck, you can make a bunch of mana an win with anything.
What do you think about claim the firstborn? Seems to have alot of utility in the deck being a haste enabler, untapper and yoink spell all in one.
I don't think Claim meets the brief.
here's why:
all that Claim is really doing is either giving Stella haste, *or* being used with Stella to get infinite storm count.
it's not that either of these things are "bad" per se, just that there are countless ways to achieve the same thing using better, more versatile cards.
additionally at a certain point, you reach diminishing returns with enablers for Stella. this is where the fine tuning comes into play, and where we'll have to see just how many enablers become standard for the deck.
@heirophantpim I like borrowing tymna
@@syndicate5357 I mean... is that really what this deck wants to be doing?
we don't run many creatures to begin with so the likelihood of 2+ Tymna draws seems low; casting Claim just to borrow a Tymna, gain 2 life, then lose 1 life and draw a card seems... not worth it?
we don't have ways to abuse threaten effects so Claim doesn't really "handle" Tymna
I just don't think it's that impactful; by all means play test it and let me know if it IS impactful... god knows I'm horrible at evaluating cards 😂
@@heirophantpm Claim would be more for providing haste, or stealing a Drannith to be able to cast Stella or stealing on board bowmaster the turn you want to go off
I added Jolt and Infuse in my list. Just make sure you leave 2 mana up for the Bourne upon the wind and you win on your opponent’s upkeep 😉
I was thinking about those too
Bought my copies just in case lol
I feel like you missed Shore up! it does the same thing that Tidal bore does but at 1cmc instead of 0 but in exchange it also can protect stella from removal or bounce.
I've definitely seen it, I think the difference between 1 and 0 is indescribably vast
What does Flesh Duplicate do for us?
can you go into why you added Flesh Duplicate and Birgi a bit more? most of the lists I've been tinkering with have had a VERY light creature package (Dockside, Ragavan, Spellskite, Simian, Spellseeker) and I've got back and forth on clones (another answer to Bowmasters is never going to be bad, pernse)
Birgi is an amazing outlet especially on the horn side when you've gotten the blown out.
Flesh is great as a dockside copier, bowmasters copier and more
sorry -- I meant, why Duplicate specifically over Image or Imposter Mech or even Metamorph?
only reason Flesh gives me pause is the double blue; this deck feels like it runs on the margins and having appropriate colored mana seems critical.
Surprised no Jace because you can draw your deck easily. I also use twin flame, dramatic reversal and I added a few more creatures
No love for Infuse?
Awesome video! As someone relatively new to magic, and very new to Izzet, I'm still trying to get a hang of the way the stack works.
I don't think I fully grasp how the Tidal Bore is protecting against flusterstorm. Any chance you could ELI? 😂
I can help!
so the stack works first in, first out.
let's say you've cast your 3 required spells. you then cast Twitch targeting Stella.
your opponent -- being smart -- doesn't do anything just yet.
while Twitch is on the stack, you then activate Stella, targeting Twitch to copy it.
so the stack right now is:
1. Twitch
2. Stella Lee activation
the activation is allowed to resolve and so now the stack is:
1. Twitch
2. copy of Twitch
of note: right now you have a *tapped* Stella Lee.
your opponent now casts Flusterstorm, targeting both of your spells (let's assume you can't pay for any of them).
the stack is now:
1. Twitch
2. copy of Twitch
3. Flusterstorm and its copies
BEFORE Flusterstorm is allowed to resolve and counter the Twitch or copy of Twitch, you then cast Tidal Bore to untap Stella. assuming your opponent is out of interaction, the stack will now be:
1. Twitch
2. copy of Twitch
3. Flusterstorm and copies
4. Tidal Bore
Tidal Bore resolves and untaps Stella. then, *before the Flusterstorm copies are allowed to resolve*, you activate Stella again, targeting either the og Twitch or the copy of Twitch. at this point, here's the stack:
1. Twitch
2. copy of Twitch
3. Flusterstorm and copies
4. Stella Lee activation/another copy of Twitch
#4 then resolves, untapping Stella and drawing a card. you then reactivate Stella targeting Twitch and repeat the process, drawing your entire deck.
to clarify, Tidal Bore doesn't "protect" against Flusterstorm per se -- it just allows you to get another Stella activation on TOP of whatever piece of interaction is being used.
hopefully that helps! I'm on mobile so sorry for any typos. :)
@@heirophantpm the hero we didn't deserve 🙏
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Nice ❤❤❤
How would you deal with RoL effects? Besides that, it’s purely a glass cannon?
I don't think glass cannon is accurate at all, it has card advantage and the ability to execute storm really well.
There are also several answers to rule of law in the deck....
@@ComedIanMTGI will go and try out the deck after watching your deck tech. Been trying to find a way to play storm in this singleton environment. Thanks Ian.
Stella Lee tournament report incoming
Here's to hoping
Add slick shot
So is Twisted Fealty the only kill spell in this deck? I get how Twitch/Wisps allows you to draw your deck but are you doing that just to look for Fealty? Is there another card that closes out the game?
Bolt+Timetwister
@@ComedIanMTG Ah got it!
Just play prologue to phyresis and radstorm. Infinite poison counters hahaha
Running Breach lines and also so many "draw my deck" interactions with Stella, why no Thoracle?
the card is dead on its own so we don't need it
Will she dethrone Krarkashima? I think she will for me.
Tbh I think despite sharing colors you have to evaluate them as wildly different decks
Crimson Wisps>Expedite for flavor win with Cerulean Wisps
So my question with so many draw your deck sceneries, why isn't there a thassa's oracle in the deck
Because outside of that the card is dead
Was there a reason for not running Dramatic Reversal to try to get infinite mana and then draw your deck to a win?
Because what are you drawing with?
the issue I've found with Dramatic Reversal is that, yes, it goes infinite, but then you end up having to play outlets for that mana. the best of these I've found is Expansion // Explosion, which... well, idk if I really want to be playing that card 😆
just to add... to be fair, it's possible Expansion // Explosion is the t and turns out to be amazing so I'm open to the idea but I'll let someone else test it before I start incorporating it into my lists 😆
I believe you can use an untap draw card to draw your deck and can then use dramatic reversal after for infinite mana that you can put into an X spell for a clean win instead of something like Gutshot
@@harryturner9201 In the situation you're describing, infinite mana isn't necessary. The cerulean wisps or whatever that draws your deck is already a win. You will have enough 0/1/2 cmc mana rocks and rituals after drawing your deck to cast twisted fealty so the dramatic reversal is irrelevant. The only reason you'd run it is if the deck has a specific secondary combo package that requires it.
What about krark? Good or no?
From edh to cedh: get a precon, ditch 99 cards, keep the commander, add $4.000 worth of cards 😂
I mean it’s one you can start taking cEDH. A lot of tournaments allow proxies in my area. With 10 to 20 proxy limit in my area I could easily tune Stella to be highly competitive.
Stella is mazing.
About the video, unfortunately I found the music in the background pretty annoying, this should be lowered from my point of view.
top10th
It's so easy to make this commander edh! It only costs 11,000 dollars! Super easy
More viable then niv mizzet?
Eruth was a hopeful commander but the downsides were too great. Stella Lee is pure gas. Izzet players rejoice!
How was it that after following 5 channels on cEDH they all collectively decided to not cover top lists fpr path to the peak 4 where Magda won... i smell an anti mono colored deck conspiracy
Have I ever covered one of their tournaments?
Dude having to look through multiple tournaments videos to find mono colored decks isn’t really covering via decktech.
Cedh pretty much is just copy pasta
@ComedIanMTG I figured you'd probably won one or two lol 😆 I dunno it's just like a weird week and so many cEDH channels that usually cover tournament stuff haven't posted anything
And it's mono red ! Woooot
Exactly!
THIS DECK IS:
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in cardtrader
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WTF
This is discussed in the video.
Helps to watch
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