Loki and Mobius in Pompeii - Loki (TV Series) S1E2
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*Loki and Mobius hear two people shouting*
“Tardis. Time Lord. Yea!”
“Donna. Human. No!”
I refuse to believe someone hasn't made an edit of this.
OMG That would be the perfect crossover!
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Imagine. Someone makes a history book inspired by time travel media with a few tweaks for everything to fit.
I like how of all the apocalypses they could've gone to, they went to the one which was *perfectly* preserved, down to where people were standing.
They should have gone to Auschwitz. But that would be more of the TVMA not the TVA.
Archeologists finding footprints with the TVA boot sole pattern
Is it tho? Not really… it’s just volcanic activity, not some advanced time freezing technology… everything was ABSOLUTELY not “perfectly” preserved. That’s literally impossible
@@alphamineron I guess people's positions and possessions might change though? You can go and see the bodies at Pompeii.
@@piyam5948 I think the TVA concept was that those changes wouldn’t propagate to much bigger effects due to the chaos occurring at the time. Even if people’s positions changes, none of those changes matter. At max, you’ll have a different historical museum exhibit than before.
It’s more that there is a very high threshold of interference before the timeline branches… whereas in normal situations, a minor interaction can lead to a branch.
Mobius has been to Pompeii two times now. At least now not as a cowboy.
Night at the Museum.
Iiepwop
@@dandynoble19 yesssss!!
And not a miniature figure this time 😅
I understood that reference
Tom Hiddleston is actually fluent in classical Latin, and he threw in a Loki-esque howler, for any other viewer who can understand Latin (which isn't going to be many people) to pick up on. When addressing the citizens of Pompeii, Loki calls the TVA the "Cōnsiliī ad Tempus Mūtandum" which translates as "Council for Changing Time" - which is the opposite of the TVA's mission.
Incredible scene with an incredible performance from Eton-educated Tom Hiddleston. Fun fact, the actual destruction of Pompeii wasn't quite this abrupt, many of the people living there had already evacuated or were in the process of doing so, but that's a much less captivating story.
Thats not correct
@@turd807 lol there were around 20,000 residents of pompeii at the time, around 2,000 died, wanna explain what happened to the other thousands of people then
Yes, didn’t Pliny the Elder set out to at first study, then to advance on a rescue mission when he was delayed for hours at the home of a friend. He was able to send observations to his nephew Pliny the Younger. The younger Pliny has given today’s world the best insight of what happened that day, as he was an eyewitness too, just further away.
Generally speaking the eruption was in two main phases; a lighter phase of ash and pumice and hours later, the real killer, pyroclastic flows.
It was never about the people, it was how the town was literally erased off maps cause no one could find it after and it was a major trade settlement.
How is that less captivating? The fact that not as many people died?
1:59 my favorite Loki quote.
“Enjoy your last meal while you can! NOTHING MATTERS!!! Nothing has any consequence! DANCE WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!”
I can't help but giggle at Loki's American accent when he speaks Latin lol
British but ok
American?
He has an english accent.
The way he says "vos omnes" sounds more USA than UK to me, but at that level of examination, there are multiple USA accents and multiple UK accents. Variations, you might say.
Alas, the scene has no spoken words from locals, for comparison with their accents in the local dialect of Latin.
USAmericans who speak Latin aloud sometimes shift accept towards British English, because that feels more formal and "old school". I try to speak Latin more or less as if I were speaking Italian, but even when I actually speak Italian, my accent gets influenced by my Spanish.
Language is COMPLICATED.
@@xNaxdy he speaks latin with an american accent because he was probably taught by an american
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f NOT WHEN SPEAKING LATIN, THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE COMMENT.
I am shocked Loki and Mobius weren't just stoned when spotted. They ARE wearing pants after all.
Huh this is the second time Owen Wilson has been in Pompeii. At least this time he isn't being chased by lava
I've had days at work that I wanna go full 'agent of chaos' like that. "NOTHING MATTERS!! NOTHING HAS ANY CONSEQUENCES!!" XD
And then the Doctor and Donna blew up the mountain. Isn't that fantastic. 😂
My first thought while watching it when it came out was that The Doctor and Donna were inside the mountain, about to light it off :D
It's nice to know i'm not the only one who thought of Doctor Who as well ✊😄
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist1why do you comment the same thing on every single comment?
2:02 guy in the back seems real happy about dieing
😂😂
Lmaoooo I love when extras mess up
Doesn'yt have to pay rent anymore
Probably a slave, just thinking "Finally, they are all suffer and die, ALL OF THEM".
@@johnwong5317 Or maybe he wants to see whole country getting burned 😂
They should do a spinoff with Mobius and Loki's excellent adventure
Isn’t that basically half the season? These two stole the show for me tbh. Couldn’t imagine it without a Mobius character, they bounce off each other so well
And with ,,Hakuna matata" )) The God of MischieF 1 1/2: midgard hillarious adventure
I do want to know how the hell Loki learned to speak Latin fluently.
Immortal. He had plenty of time to learn.
the Marvel Norse Gods innately possess something called the All-Tongue, they can speak any language they know of
Well, Tom Hiddleston can speak perfect Latin. As far as Loki is concerned, he may have learned it on one of the journeys to Earth Odin brought Loki and Thor on
The same way he and Thor speak modern English so fluently.
He's 1050 years old, you pick up a thing or two.
All the citizen's "a what-ano?"
Volcano erupts
"Oh shit!"
Meanwhile the Doctor and Donna flying out in the escape pod
I think they know or at least have a little idea of what a volcano is. In the mythology, the god of blacksmiths is called Vulcan and works in the Etna.
@@lindildeev5721 that's part of the tragedy of Pompeii. They had no idea what Mt Vesuvius was. But yes the word volcano came from the Roman god Vulcan.
That would have been a great cameo.
In fact, there must be dozens of time travel shows that had a "Pompeji episode".
Someone should shine a spotlight on this trope by depicting Pompeji as being fully populated by time-travelling spectators.
@lindildeev5721 The idea that mountains were inhabited by spirits, gods, dwarves, dragons or other creatures was a widespread belief that applied to all mountains.
People would point out individual mountains and say "this one emits smoke because a god has a furnace in it" or "that one looks this way because a troll likes to sit on it".
But I don't think they realized that there was an entire category of mountains that was fundamentally different from other mountains.
@@BrokenCurtain you also forgot to mention the "boat turn into the mountain" belief
I definitely agree. I would definitely hide in the last place anyone would look 😂
Yep, if I was concerned about being detected by my changes to the timeline, I would be somewhere where I couldn’t change anything if I tried. It’s just that I’d choose to relive the day the dinosaurs died, in central America, instead.
not about looking but impossible to detect
Well as long you don’t leave behind something insignificant like pieces of gold or anything that can survive 3000 years.
People always find me in the last place they look, because when they find me, they stop looking!
It’s funny how Owen Wilson has been to Pompeii twice, with his boyfriends; A Roman emperor and a Demi God;
It actually took a few hours after the first eruption for the town to be affected
did you not see the gas? that stuff kills you hella fast
@@Dilllonmdid you not actually read a paper on the sequence of events before opening your slop hole. I guess that your God and have rewritten the fact that the initial eruption plugged the main vent and greatly reduced the amount of gas and ash that escaped and let pressure build up like the pressure cooker bombs from the boston marathon until kaboom main eruption wipes it all out
@@DilllonmThe eruption in Pompeii first started with tremors and ash coming from the volcano which formed into pumice stones that fell upon the town later in the day. It was only in the evening that the pyroclastic surge completely incinerated everyone.
I'm getting some 'Morty and Rick' vibes from this.
Why do Owen Wilson characters love going to Pompeii with their boyfriends
i love the logic and how it make sense
Except for the butterfly effect, where any of the corpses could now be in different positions or states that effect how they're discovered/researched in the future, which could easily alter decisions that are made and which affect other, more important decisions.
An example is the two embracing bodies they found. Loki's interference could lead to them being separated, meaning they may not have been displayed in a museum or drawn in as big of a crowd, leading to fewer people being interested, and a greater chance of someone important making a different decision in life because they didn't spend their time looking at this piece of history.
But none of those changes would affect the sacred timeline to any significant amount. It could fester and cause more "spontanious" branchings later on, but none of the actions taken here threaten the path that leads to Tony Stark inventing time-GPS for Kang to discover- the Sacred Timeline.
And why would that matter? They would still all be corpses to be uncovered later and would still be placed in a museum
Literally nothing aside from where they are found would change
@@summermelody7942the butterfly effect is much, MUCH stronger than you think. Even the slightest alteration can change absolutely everything. There’s way too many factors to account for to determine what will or will not happen as a result.
@boobyegg2135 is the butterfly effect even something that can be estimated? Because I don't think anyone has actually established the flow of causality between butterflies and hurricanes.
tossing that stick like its a hot mic drop!
love the fact that loki speaks latin ^^
so does the actor
I remember now, Loki messed with the time continuum so the Doctor went to Pompeii to fix everything! Or is it the other way around?
When Mobius is better than Morbius, that's when you know.. It's really Mobin time.
I mean the timeline still would’ve branched but I guess it was an ok explanation enough to convince most viewers.
"GOOOOOOO! YEE YEE YEE!"
🤣
But what if it was all pre determined by HWR meaning Loki, Sylvie and Mobius wouldnt have caused any branching in the first place.
They didn't know that, though
I like how they paid attention to how the vulcano erupted.
This is such a funny scene. Looking at Vesuvius(the volcano), it looks more like Mount St Helens on the day before it's May 18 1980 eruption than what Vesuvius actually looks like
"If it were me,"
With the Defenders Saga being canon in MCU now, is curious to think that the Hand somehow was responsable of Pompeii's destruction. (They mentioned it in The Defenders and who knows, maybe they were looking for more dragon bones to keep them young).
It wasn't wiped away, it was buried
Was that footage from Mt. St. Helen's eruption that was used in this scene? Because it sure looked like it.
Interesting thing is in the MCU lore, The Hand caused this eruption to happen.
Not an Olympian god in sight. I would have thought that the eruption was deliberate.
Wasn't Loki around when the Pompeii volcao eruption happened? Not talking about this scene but was Loki a couple hundred years old or younger when it happened?
Thor says he's 1500 years old in Infinity War, and Loki is his younger brother. That should put his birth sometime after AD 500. That would align with what we saw in "Thor", where the Asgard/Jotunheim war is shown coming to Earth during the Viking Age. All this to say that neither prince saw Pompeii or any of the Roman era.
If we take the MCU comments about Asgardians living about 5,000 years at face value, it's interesting to consider that Odin was still quite young when the Great Pyramid was built and never saw Catal Hoyuk.
Basically yeah. It would create no difference (for ease of storytelling's sake).
But for real, bodies could be "ashened" at other places. And the archeaologists later that search the scene would go around it differently. Now imagine a dude finding the same body 1 day appart from the original timeline, he could've crossed a deadline, or stay there longer/shorter, had to get home at a different time and finally he could encounter/avoid a deadly accident on the road. Simple example, but then a whole bunch of branches could appear bcs he did/didn't get a lover, did/didn't make ofspring, had/hadn't any interaction.
Just like exponential growth, y=x² then x gets the value of y then y=x² then ... . Even the tiniest molecule difference could make a branch, not that the people at the time of difference could notice it, it would be different after a long time. -A butterfly's wings could make a hurricane- (given enough time).
Not necessarily. From what I've seen of the show they seem to be running with the concept that time has a bit of inertia and some self correcting ability or at least an ability to ignore outliers to a certain extent. If it didn't, the TVA showing up anywhere would cause a branch off. Loki and Mobius just standing there in the past would have caused a butter fly effect. It's possible that the trigger for a nexus event varies in needed deviance depending on the integrity of the timeline at that point. For example Going back and moving a random patch of dirt 5ft to the right, 5 min before the castle bravo test isn't going to mean anything in the macro scale of the timeline. The bomb still detonates, no nexus event created. Just because the bodies of the people are in different places, in the macro view of the timeline it doesn't matter. They still died at Pompeii. It's a small enough deviation that another random deviation further along the timeline kicks it back into the correct position relative to everything else. I would suspect if it didn't work that way, quantum probability and stock standard entropy would cause an infinity cascade where an infinite number of branches spawn at every point in every timeline.
Don't have a definite source except Wikias, but the Sacred Timeline is actually a collection of closely related timelines. The TVA only prunes timelines that don't lead to the birth of He Who Remains. Loki's interference at Pompeii very well created branches, but they are not sensed by the TVA because the volcano eruption smothered the impact of their interference to almost irrelevance.
This was explained in episode 1 itself cmonnnn, minor variances in decision such as a guy drinking water instead of coffee do not affect the timeline but a dictator commiting genocide instead of suicide is so the tva would prune the dictator not the drinker, finding ashes in a diff location literally makes no difference whatsoever lol
I wonder where the Doctor and Donna were during this
He does raise a good question, though. Is the TVA from the future?
Hahaha, I know it's minor, but it just stuck out to me and now I'm annoyed, because I love Loki to bits.
in 79 A.D. it wasn't Pompeii, Italy :P
All-Speak
thought the title said morbius
Really puts the "time" in Morbin' time
That's why adultery is bad
Didn't The Hand cause that?
I don't think The Hand is canon anymore
It is canon. Kevin Feige is just too incompetent with consistency. I mean, it’s the same guy who says the MCU is earth 616, when 616 is the main comic book continuity. The REAL earth designation for the MCU is earth 19999.
With the Defenders Saga being canon in MCU now, is curious to think that the Hand somehow was responsable of Pompeii's destruction. (They mentioned it in The Defenders and who knows, maybe they were looking for more dragon bones to keep them young).
Of course that's just factually untrue, especially with pompeii. Any disturbances would result in the ash covered bodies being in different spots or positions, which would have an impact when future archeologists dig up the site.
But ultimately, that doesn't cause a different He Who Remains varient to appear so the timeline is preserved
Unless Loki and Mobius were meant to go to that moment and do what they were supposed to do.
Causing those people to move exactly where they were supposed be, them being in Pompeii was the causal nexus.
In the end it does not matter time travel doesn't work and can't, once you change something you'd never have to change it therefore it returns where it was.
"Italy"???
In that timeline Italy has been found in 78 AD...
Yes Pompei Is in Italy, what are you so surprised about?
@@m.m.1301 In 79 AD they were called Roman Empire not Italy. I think he meant that...
Italy is applicable from 1861.@@m.m.1301
@@crawlinbacktoyou8282 We have been called Italy much before the empire existed
Only 10% knows why it exploded
because of a human and a Time Lord blew up Vesuvius
Mistake in the series titles. It is Pompeii, Roman Empire. Italy did not exist
Where’s Mobius?
Wait, when did loki learn English?
In the comics, the gods speak the all-tongue; any mortal that hears a god speaking, he hears it in his native toungue.... so when speaking to the romans; Loki seems to spak latin, but when he adresses Mobius, we hear english...
...or, another reason is that argardiarns, visited Europe in the bronze age; taugth the germanic tribes how to speak their language, asgardian; and the germanic tribes continued speaking it for centuries... but it evolved into different diallects, and later languges: german, dutch, norwegian, swede,... and english; that for some reason, it does sound allmost exactlly as the original asgardian language (maybe Shakespeare was an asgardian who lived in earlly modern england and with his literature helped old meieval anglo-saxon to become modern 'asgardian' english)
@@dhorn4005 but wasnt thor being able to understand groots language considered an elective on asgard implying that they do indeed need to learn langauges
love loki but that was not the spoken latin of that time
Ah, yes, you have found the one non-perfectly-realistic detail of the Loki series.
Could you please post the lines, re-translated into the dialect of that place in that time?
Love how this doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter if everything is destroyed and no one can remember. Change is still change.
Actually it does, branching needs to affect something, so without that there is just nothing
It depends on what "Variance energy" is. Possibly, variance energy is the amount the universal timeline is disturbed by an action. Because any action taken in this time & place has little consequence in any vicinity outside the village about to be destroyed anyway, it wouldn't show up as a disturbance in the universal timeline. Now if they for example, left behind a cell phone? That was eventually picked up by archaeologists? That would definitely make an impact. But you have a lot more leeway in what won't show up just before an apocalyptic event. If it weren't about to be destroyed, you'd be absolutely right. But that change just doesn't have time to cascade into a branch.
@ChaoticFoxxx We learned many times in this series that the only reason branches flag to be Pruned is because it will create a Kang variant.
@@Noah-pr2orwrong, branches are pruned because they create a *possibility* of creating a Kang variant.
@@hritviknijhawan1737 close enough
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruption_of_Mount_Vesuvius_in_79_AD
There was a pumice rain first, which would have given a little warning to those who understood it.
Typical Disney not paying attention.
No one understood it though. No one in Rome knew what a volcano was, there wasn't even a Latin word for it
@@trbz_8745That is...not quite right. Romans absolutely understood the concept of a volcano, as did the Greeks before them, they just didn't feel the need to invent a new Latin word when "mountain emitting fire" was sufficient.
Vesuvius being volcanic wasn't a total unknown, either, Greek and Roman writers described it accordingly before 79 AD, even if not every Pompeiian was aware.
@@RobinHood3000 It is like during a hurricane some people just stand there and watch it even though they know what it is... or fall off cliffs taking selfies or fall in acidic hot springs