Maximum Range Gel & Pattern Test - Winchester Long Beard XR

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  • čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
  • How far can you hunt with Winchester Long Beard XR lead turkey ammunition? To find out I tested both the maximum range at which I could get a reasonably dense pattern and I did a ballistics gel test to find out how much power the loads have at the furthest range their pattern is still good. The results of this test should a much further effective range than I was expecting. I did the test are various ranges include 40, 50, 60, and 70 yards.
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    I used Winchester Long Beard XR Magnum #6 in a 3" shell with 1 7/8 oz of copper plated lead shot traveling at 1050 fps. I used a Mossberg 940 Pro Turkey with a Holosun 507k Optic and a Carlson's Long Beard XR Choke measuring at 0.660. #turkeyhunting #winchester Thanks so much to Holosun for providing the optic.
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Komentáře • 102

  • @Windwalker_Outdoors
    @Windwalker_Outdoors Před rokem +6

    Good video George! Congrats on getting mentioned on the Surviving Duck Season channel. It actually put a smile on my face hearing him mention you.....Good for you!

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      Thanks so much! I almost veered off the road when I heard it! I was listening to his video when I was driving home from work lol

  • @charleywalker2982
    @charleywalker2982 Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for doing these reviews and keep them coming please.

  • @MrJoe34567
    @MrJoe34567 Před rokem +4

    Honestly you are a great and informative videographer. Thanks

  • @bent5434
    @bent5434 Před rokem +2

    Thanks for doing all these tests and sharing it

    • @bent5434
      @bent5434 Před rokem +1

      Looks like we both need to work on our dry fire training too 😂

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +1

      @@bent5434 After shooting over a dozen turkey loads in a day of test videos, you flinch even when other people shoot, ha.

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      Thanks!

  • @outdoorswithroostercurrie6984

    As always another awesome video.

  • @bushinbritishcolumbia6935

    Another great vid bud

  • @mrsmith9079
    @mrsmith9079 Před rokem +14

    Reality is that 50 yards is still a long old way - at some point you have to change your focus on trying to get them closer instead of trying to reach out further.

    • @veteranironoutdoors8320
      @veteranironoutdoors8320 Před rokem +1

      Because every bird WILL come in closer if you do *just* the *right* things 🙄

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +2

      I agree. Not trying to go infinitely further. Just want to know the realistic limits of our ammo.

    • @mrsmith9079
      @mrsmith9079 Před rokem +1

      @@veteranironoutdoors8320 Wow, so true, why didn't I think of that?

    • @ri7589
      @ri7589 Před rokem +1

      @@veteranironoutdoors8320or maybe exercise some constraint and maturity and hunt another day in hopes a bird does come in at a distance where you can take a shot that’s guaranteed to make a clean kill.

    • @veteranironoutdoors8320
      @veteranironoutdoors8320 Před rokem

      @@ri7589 HA. Your brand of ethics means nothing to me. If I can reliably kill it at 70 and he just ain’t coming closer for the shot I would prefer, hes gonna be a goner.

  • @helterskelter156
    @helterskelter156 Před rokem +2

    Never shot turkey past 30-40 yards.
    This is my turkey load of choice. Love this ammo.

  • @mikes6884
    @mikes6884 Před rokem +1

    My father in law and I have shot three turkeys this year ranging from

  • @raybobkowalski2154
    @raybobkowalski2154 Před rokem +2

    Finally somebody talked about the crazy long distance shooting 😊, I'm glad you put a lot of the BS to rest I shoot lbxr, TSS is good to,but you have limited distance with both,as always brother great&very informative video,the best on the internet ❤

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +2

      Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! I always say, half the reason I make the videos is for myself, because I want to know. That is why I made the first ones, and just figured someone else might want to as well.

    • @tjs792
      @tjs792 Před rokem

      ​@@TheNewHuntersGuide WE NEED THE BODY GLUES TO BE AS BIGGER THAN SIDE WALLS TO TEST THE BEST THE GUN IN THE LONGEST RANG WITH WIDEST PATTERNS TO BRING DOWN AS MANY GEESE WITH A SINGLE SHOT 🎯🎉🎊👏

  • @Blackpanther_risen
    @Blackpanther_risen Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thanks for sharing, very informative. Winchester should've sponsored u

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks! I'm sure I've helped them sell alot of turkey ammo, I wish they would at least send me shells to test and make videos from.

  • @paule6035
    @paule6035 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thank you

  • @thecoyotesmomma
    @thecoyotesmomma Před rokem +5

    I would like to see gel test at 40 and 60 yards with the long beard 3” 1200 1 3/4 5s compared to the 3”1200 1 3/4 6s just to see if one is better than the other. Thanks 11:31

  • @davidbilbrough3726
    @davidbilbrough3726 Před rokem +2

    Nice one- who needs TSS shot; even up to 60yds. Save some money: shoot more!

  • @beforethehunt
    @beforethehunt Před rokem +2

    I was surprised how deep they penetrated at 70 yards. Seems like they would be good at 50 or 60 even at the 6 shot size

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      Yea, not enough for 70. But definitely not bouncing off of turkeys at 50 as some people claim.

    • @beforethehunt
      @beforethehunt Před rokem +1

      They would do the job at 60 and you have more pellets with 6 shot

  • @gregorykinney3981
    @gregorykinney3981 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I've got an idea for the longbeard xrs. Do a penetration test with the magnum loads vs. the regular loads. What I notice is that the magnums have a bigger payload, but the velocity is reduced. The magnums have a listed velocity of 1050 fps, and the regulars have a listed velocity of 1200 fps.

  • @mikeramone003
    @mikeramone003 Před rokem +1

    I was lucky enough to get a tom at 20 yrds and another at 25 using Winchester Longbeard 3 1/2 #5s..
    Both birds kinda came out of nowhere so thankfull I lucked out on both.

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      Did either Gobble?

    • @mikeramone003
      @mikeramone003 Před rokem +1

      @@TheNewHuntersGuide the first one at 20 yrds strutted,puffed up, and gobbled as he strutted up to my decoys. The second one was quiet as a church mouse..Got them on the same field two days apart..

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +1

      @mikeramone003 wow nice!

  • @twintwo1429
    @twintwo1429 Před 3 měsíci

    My longest range Turkey load is my own reload, found in the RCBS loading manual. Factory loads are OK, but not good enough. Many shells and shotguns, have the ability to handle significantly higher pressures than factory rounds. Reloading shot shells, will give you far superior performance, over factory rounds. ESPECIALLY in single shot actions, that can handle significantly higher pressures.

  • @Macdaddy22713
    @Macdaddy22713 Před rokem +3

    Wonder if there is a difference in penetration from the 1050 FPS Load and the 1200 FPS load

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +1

      It's a great question. Probably some. I don't trust any of the formulas to say how much because they just do not all jive with real test results, but it's worthy of another test video at some point.

  • @jeffbarris8172
    @jeffbarris8172 Před rokem +1

    Hey George! Did you get the shell that would not cycle to fire? God bless you and go get them in the marsh!!

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +1

      Yup, fired just fine. If you loaded it first you would have never known. But man it wouldn't cycle for anything! Ejected fine though.

  • @beforethehunt
    @beforethehunt Před rokem +3

    Could you test the 20 gauge longbeard xr?

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +1

      I would very much like to! Just need to find me a 20 gauge. It's only a matter of time.

  • @beforethehunt
    @beforethehunt Před 10 měsíci +1

    What gun and choke combo would u recommend for longbeard xr 20 gauge 6 shot (would like a choke that an also shoo tss)

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před 10 měsíci

      For long beard, I've seen good results across guns and different models with the Carlson's Long Beard choke tube. It's rated for TSS also.

  • @sheethneaffer8614
    @sheethneaffer8614 Před 4 měsíci +1

    You should really do that test again with a 20 gauge. I can't seem to get my sx4 20 gauge to pattern well and I am not sure if its the ammo or the choke (or just the combo)

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před 4 měsíci

      What ammo? I don't have a 20 right now.

    • @matthunter1667
      @matthunter1667 Před 4 měsíci

      I run a .560 Rectifier in my 301 20ga
      That .560 choke works fantastic with both #9 tss and longbeard xr #6's through my 20ga.
      My jaw dropped when I saw the patterns I was getting with the longbeard #6 lead
      Actually that .560 choke loves any 20ga #6 lead load you run through it.
      I've tried multiple #5 lead loads and that .560 just doesn't seem to like a lead #5 load , but becomes a totally different shotgun running #6's

  • @austinreed1428
    @austinreed1428 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Shout out to George’s shoulder for making this video

  • @charleywalker2982
    @charleywalker2982 Před 2 měsíci

    👍

  • @SchollZee
    @SchollZee Před 4 měsíci

    Holy flinch job

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před 4 měsíci

      Shooting 20 turkey shells a day for test videos isn't as easy or fun as you might think.

  • @AlbertBayer-mm5qy
    @AlbertBayer-mm5qy Před 2 měsíci

    If you plan to shoot 60 plus #4 shot size only, way more energy.3.5" kills past 60 many times

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před 2 měsíci

      Energy wise yes. But all my testing shows the pattern deteriorates so much by that distance with 4s that the energy doesn't matter. 5s or 6s are better at long range because you can still get enough pattern on the head and neck to hit the bird. However, in either event, due to pattern or power loss. Lead maxes put around this range. You can't go a whole lot further.

  • @petewilliams8242
    @petewilliams8242 Před rokem

    Which is better for turkey hunting pattern, Jebs or Indian Creek choke tube at same restriction?

  • @burkejones8277
    @burkejones8277 Před rokem +1

    I think if you kill one with a shotgun at 70 yards with any shot you got real lucky. I misjudged one last year and had it right on him. He left out of there with a peppering. I don’t think he flew off dead; I think he just flew off. I thought he was 50, but he was about 70… You can definitely kill them all day, every day at 50, though.

  • @devenzang9550
    @devenzang9550 Před rokem +1

    I wonder what the penetration would be with the 5s and 4s at that same distance

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      #5s have about 15% more penetration than 6s, #4s have about 30% more than 6. You could do the math and probably get pretty close.

  • @razacknasir6167
    @razacknasir6167 Před rokem +1

    This gun and waterfalw which one it's best for long range?

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      The waterfowl has a 4 inch longer barrell so it's probably slightly better for long range shooting.

    • @razacknasir6167
      @razacknasir6167 Před rokem +1

      Yes this is what I want to hear from you 😊 thank you we are waiting for your best video ❤️

  • @bryanheimann5370
    @bryanheimann5370 Před 3 měsíci

    “Most people are not shooting turkeys at these ranges”. Most people trying to sharpshoot you in the comments are not shooting turkeys.

  • @bradjohns2870
    @bradjohns2870 Před 3 měsíci

    72 yds is the longest we have ever killed with Longbeard xr's. We shoot #5's. We have killed 3 at 60 plus yds.

  • @steemerxaxon1643
    @steemerxaxon1643 Před 4 měsíci

    Thats WHY a Pump is ALWAYS 100% better to use

  • @alfredsmlth6982
    @alfredsmlth6982 Před rokem

    Seen a little flench

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      There was more than a little. But the end of this day I had recorded 3 turkey ammo videos. I was beat to a bruised pulp.

  • @gpounder1
    @gpounder1 Před rokem +1

    I have a better chance finding the lost ark then finding 3 1/2 #6’s these days

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      Ha, these were only 3"

    • @rickvann3489
      @rickvann3489 Před rokem +1

      I have both 3" and 3 1/2" in 6 shot as a matter fact killed my second turkey with the Ole Remington 870 Super mag at 20 yards it made a jelly head

  • @rickvann3489
    @rickvann3489 Před rokem +1

    .223 over 12ga im good out to 200 yards...lol
    Coyotes beware

  • @andrewbottrell1048
    @andrewbottrell1048 Před rokem +1

    Too bad we’re not neighbors

  • @NorthRiverGuide
    @NorthRiverGuide Před rokem +1

    Try shooting real birds to get some different results, the ballistics gel doesnt really count for how well the pellets can penetrate bone. At 45yds the 1200fps loading of #6 does not humanely kill birds reliably. That magnum load starting out 150fps slower isnt doing any favours either.
    It's a good load for a factory choke or fixed choke barrel to fill out a pattern to get to almost 40yds, but with an aftermarket choke your pattern is reliable much further than your pellets are reliable. Where one of the other longbeard options can gain you more.

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +1

      So how can we quantify power at range more objectively? We need a way to measure this to get data that is reliable.

    • @lrshooterofnh7843
      @lrshooterofnh7843 Před rokem +1

      I stoned a bird the other day at 53 yards with #6 1200 fps. Seen my brother smoke one at 64 yards with the same ammo. It gets enough penetration to get the job done. Me personally don't shoot it past 55 but that's my personal benchmark

    • @NorthRiverGuide
      @NorthRiverGuide Před rokem +1

      @@TheNewHuntersGuide that is a good question, nothing really substitutes with a slow projectile like the real thing. Like when I used to breed turkeys, test subjects were plentiful and a lot of info could be gathered in a controlled manner.
      For an artificial test media, ballistics gel does a reasonable job at replicating soft tissue, so perhaps turkey neck bones, cleaned by insects (better than cooked/tempered bone) soaked to keep moisture content, molded into a gel block. I'm not sure how to replicate the skin as it has some additional resistance and give to it. Could adjust the figure for how much penetration into ballistics gel is needed to be comparable to a bone breaking hit once it is established how far it is. It would just seem that the pellets are showing much better performance on gel than the real thing.

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem

      @@NorthRiverGuide That is kind of doable. But the gel cooks for 6+ hours at 260f it would break down the bones like a slow cooker. And there would be alot of variability. I wonder if perhaps a pine board in the gel might do better. But that's problematic for other reason. The gel would be ruined after 1 treatment most likely. It would be an expensive test.

  • @brentgraham4246
    @brentgraham4246 Před rokem +2

    Why on God's green earth would you do all this but not spend the 5 minutes to sight in your red dot beforehand?

    • @TheNewHuntersGuide
      @TheNewHuntersGuide  Před rokem +5

      Because I did 3 test videos that day, all with different shells, all with different point of impact, and I did 3 others the previous day. I sighted it in for the ammo I plan to hunt with. No reason to waste tons of ammo and time sighting it in for all the ammos I'm testing if I'm just doing 1 video with them.

    • @guaporeturns9472
      @guaporeturns9472 Před rokem +1

      Told you😂

    • @jamesaustin2122
      @jamesaustin2122 Před 4 měsíci

      I see you have never tested your gun. Have you done one with the number 6 with .640 choke?

  • @charleywalker2982
    @charleywalker2982 Před 2 měsíci

    👍