The Psychology of Survivorâs Guilt: Therapist Reacts to Stranger Things 4 - Eddie The Banished
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Survivor's guilt and being an outcast. How is it the Eddie becomes the hero he always thought himself to be? Psychotherapist Georgia Dow gives us the breakdown!
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I love that although Eddie appears to be a no good punk, he's actually kind and considerate, especially to Chrissy and the kids in the Hellfire Club. His uncle even confirms that Eddie is a decent person, and the scene where he and Dustin say their goodbyes was so heartbreaking! đ
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Having grown up as a geek I saw a lot of that in our groups. Eddy was clearly an outcast as a kid and I think he sees that in the group and so decides to hang with them to make things better than he had it because he probably knows how lonely it can be not being the norm at school age.
Those people where always looking out for the kid sitting alone or being bullied.
They subvert that trope with Chrissy too. They set her up as the head cheerleader, the prom queen to what's his name's asshole jock king archetype. And usually that character is a bitch to everyone, and the head of a cliche of bitches, that taunt the nerdy protagonists. But, she's not. Her one interaction with the scooby gang, is with Max in the bathroom. And while she's distant, and trying to get her to leave her alone, she isn't mean about it. She's actually very nice in how she asks Max to leave her alone. She snaps later when someone bangs on the door, but that's obviously Vecna messing with her, and that level of aggressive knocking would warrant a more aggressive "fuck off" kind of reaction. But that was just in her head, not to Max. And then later, when she meets up with Eddie, again, she's not a bitch. She let's her guard down around him pretty early on, after an initial fear and hesitation. She just talks to him like a person, and then when he reveals that they knew each other as kids, and were friends, she brightens up entirely. She's smiling, engaging with him, talking about shared memories of funny times when they were kids. She never shit talks him for being the loser drug user kid from the trailer park, or anything like that. She doesn't have any pretense about their social castes. She's just happy to realize that this guy was a friend of hers, and she's reconnected with him again. It made me REALLY upset when she died by the end of the episode, as I really liked her, and was hoping she'd join the scooby gang along with Eddie.
I love that about him, but the one thing that kinda hurts that is the fact that he's technically also a drug dealer on some level.
I'm also very glad his uncle cared about him so much. They could have made him an abusive asshole, but instead opted to show a caring parent figure who loved and trusted his nephew no matter what everyone said
It wasn't just Eddie's death for me but when Dustin was having the talk with Eddie's uncle about him being the fighter that never ran, it broke me.
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The tears were real and bittersweet
I loved Eddie as a character. He was very unique for the "outsider"/"rebel" stereotype. Usually they are depicted as cold, standoff-ish or morbid, but Eddie wasn't. While still being a rebel that disliked the status-quo and embraced being different, he was still warm, funny, upbeat and comforting to those around him that needed it. I absolutely loved him as a character as soon as he started chatting with Chrissy in the woods, because you could tell he really wanted to brighten her day and make her smile. And when he dedicated his sick metal performance to her, it just cemented that for me.
Yeah, I really loved that character. RIP Eddie.
He deserves a larky character, and it would be better to kill Steve's dude on a high, I wouldn't be sorry, he was very annoying, even if they were having fun
Given his past he could easily have made judgements about Chrissy and Steve but he didn't. He learned who they were.
YES. What I really liked about Eddie from the beginning was how he treated Chrissy. When he asked her if she remembered him, and she said no, I thought it was going to be one of those cliche, "nice guy" "wow. you're so stuck up," kind of moments, but he actually turns it into a moment where she feels connected to someone and relaxes a bit when she has been in this really tense state. Like, even though he (understandably) performs some disdain for the popular people as a group, when Chrissy is sitting in front of him and clearly in distress, he almost effortlessly puts her at ease.
Eddie's character hits so personally for me. As a 38 year old D&D nerd, I lived through all the satanic panic years in a tiny little town. I had to hide my D&D books from my parents, and I've had my own fantasy novels literally thrown in my face by the other kids.
His line in the first episode about it being conformity that was killing kids...gods...
That is wonderful and I hope you embrace your inner eddie =) he is beloved for a reason
The Satanic Panic was so stupid ngl.
As a 41 year old D&D nerd, can confirm: the 80s and 90s were not nearly as friendly to kids, especially anyone who was enthralled by fantasy or science-fiction material. Nerd culture really didn't become acceptable outside of the occasional movie until the Lord of the Rings and the wildfire of comic book movies (Spider-Man and X-men in particular) brought it into the mainstream.
My experience was different in that my family actually played D&D, so I never had to hide the books at home, but it wasn't something one even whispered about at school. The culture contrast between then and now is absolutely insane. Nerds are their own sub-category of cool... but it's also important to bear in mind that there are plenty of other groups of people that are looked down upon, even today. The mainstream zeitgeist is a fickle thing, and groups of people are collectively capable of inflicting massive cruelty to perceived outsiders, even if it's death by a thousand tiny cuts.
@@Foogi9000 I was in high school in the late 1960s. Believe it or not, I wasn't popular but found respect and personal power in the occult. That was NOT Satan worship, it was palmistry, astrology, Tarot, poetry art, lots of history of symbols. Even handwriting analysis. That time was more open, trusting, loving than the mid-1980s.
@@hopeyouguess9850 wow I donât know if you meant to parallel Eddieâs death in your last line âdeath by a thousand tiny cutsâ but that is such an incredible way to explain his death. Yes he literally died by a what seemed like bites from a thousand bats but what other option did he have? Had he survived and returned to Hawkins it wouldâve been nearly impossible to redeem him in the eyes of the people of Hawkins. He had spent his life like so many other outcasts being the receiving all these cuts. He most likely would have found a similar death in the hands of the bullyâs and mobs waiting for him back in Hawkins.
Eddie's arc throughout the season was so interesting to see unfold. My friend and I got into a lengthy discussion about it because, despite all his talk about running away from problems, he constantly step up to help the people around him. It really speaks to this negative view he has of himself to say he's no hero after we see him 'walk into Mordor' time and again with the rest of his friends.
I'm so long and loud crying, when he died.It's nothing compared to Alexey and Bob, and it still breaks my heart, like when the damn mice were tearing it apart.
@@mini-bi8482 honestly he hit me harder than Bob, was about the same as Alexei
I think what is really interesting in Joseph Quinn's performance is how he plays the loud, brash side with a kind of cheeky relish and then can instantly switch to show empathy, genuine feeling and consideration for others. I first noticed this in the cafeteria scene. He went from shouting, "conformity is killing the kids!" to being really polite to the two younger girls by letting them past. He's sending up the hypocrisy of quote-unquote "normality" by being so over the top and seems really confrontational, but it's really not to be aggressive for aggression's sake. I also loved how he repeatedly and deliberately tried to help Chrissy feel at ease in their main scene. He apologised for startling her, reassured her and volunteered to leave with no prompting. He also joked around to make her laugh. He recognised her discomfort, there was a lot of active listening happening, and it was just beautifully performed by both actors. I've known a number of metal heads and punks who first appear really tough or scary, but they ultimately are the ones who are genuine softies with high levels of emotional intelligence.
Itâs like no matter how brash, zany and cheerful he appears when you look in his eyes you can see his sadness.đ
This is the most accurate statement I've seen about him yet.
AMEN!
This part of Eddie, his desire to make a safe place for outcasts, this is what I have been thinking about vis-a-vis leadership. Eddie's flamboyant showing-off to shock the "squares" seems annoying until you realize it's really brave. It's incredibly childish, sure. But it also says "Take me as I am, I'm not gonna pretend and I won't sit down." So he's not just making a safe place for the freaks, he's showing them bravery, even if it's unfocused and aggravating. He was brave but untested, and when faced with a danger literally unworldly, he ran away. Even though he must understand, from later experience with the group and what happens to Max, that there was no way he could have saved Chrissie, he has an emotional wound because he did run, and he values his bravery. In the end he sacrifices himself for the sake of cleaning this wound, though if he were a little older, he might see it in a different light. Staying alive to make sure he can continue to be a strong back for his group beats dying.
He died thinking of the benefit of the group. That's not the only trait a leader has to have, but Eddie had it. Eddie rocked.
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I think they justified why he did what he did well enough. They just didn't go out of their way to explicitly state it. If Dustin and Eddie both went back through the gate, and the creatures broke through, they would have entered Hawkins, terrorized the town, and probably could've gotten Dustin too. Eddie was trying to draw them away from Dustin and the gateway to Hawkins. That's why Dustin told Eddie's uncle that he died fighting to save the town that hated him. I personally think Eddie should've survived since he probably did have more story to tell, but the way they justified his death was well handled nevertheless. Eddie really was an awesome character.
Well said!
In addition to everything wonderful about Eddie himself, I think it's worth taking note of his uncle. He's in the show very little, and with the character that Eddie is, he could have very easily been written as just as judgmental as the rest of the rest of the townsfolk...but he wasn't. He really, _really_ cared for Eddie and stuck up for him. He defended him at every turn, and every opportunity no matter the cost it would have brought him. He saw the good in Eddie where most others only saw what they wanted to see. The last scene we had with him was truly heartbreaking, but you can tell that he never stopped being proud of Eddie.
I loved his Uncle Wayne so much!! You could tell how much he loved his nephew and how much it hurt him that he was so misjudged and misunderstood.
Eddie was pure pure GOLD. I really gonna miss him even after only one season.
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Yes. His character had so much potential. Writers definetaly should've give him more time
Quinn made Eddie great, truth be told. And the Duffer brothers know it. BEST ACTOR EMMY, PLEASE!
His death was so sad, he was really a hero in the end, while the town will still consider him a satanist and a murderer ;/
I hope they'll get to clear his name at least.
No, they never will. Dustin and the others are just gonna be the bearers of that truth. Itâs very hard.
He was already a hero before
8:03 I'm really glad you said these last statements. I felt heartbroken from Eddie's death. I felt almost stupid for feeling this way over a character. But, I think it's because I related to him a lot. Also, having scenes with dustin before his death scene. That really brought to light what other people lost when he died. For example, dustin losing a great mate, shared so many fun memories with him.
This show really has a trend of introducing lovable characters, only to abruptly kill them off within a single season. Barb, Benny, Alexei, Bob and now Eddie! đđ
Testament to Duffer Brothers' loyalty to the original team of casts. Once you kill off a cast member on-screen, the showrunner essentially fires them off-screen. So the core group of actors has been with the show, and on the payroll, for over 8 years. Now that's job security.
Ahhhh but don't you see, 4 deaths were needed to open the portal, 4 seasons, each one of those was killed each season and now the portal is open
Donât forget about Benny in season 1! His death gets over shadowed by those amazing characters above. He was the first lovable character to be abruptly murdered in Hawkins.
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I loved Eddie's moment of thinking about going into Mordor since the Shire is burning, so Mordor it is! That was the moment I have fallen in love with him!
That was a great line =)) i appreciated it as well
Also interesting to me because heâs so hated in Hawkins, yet to him itâs the Shire, a place of innocence to be protected. It really shows how selfless he is and what a big heart he is. He doesnât seem to blame the town at all.
He's a deeply loving person who just keeps getting pounded on. He's scared and in a lot of pain, but he doesn't let it stop him from being brave and open and kind. Eddie is hands down one of my favorite characters of the entire show, and that was such a wonderful surprise.
yes that overcoming his own fears and moving forward shows he is a true hero. That is courage
I really like the part where he was talking with Chrissy. I loved their interaction and she was smiling and being herself.
Eddie The Banished, Lived like rockstar, Died a legend rest in peace metal brother.
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i really wish i wouldve had a person like Eddie when I was in school. It wouldve made me feel much less alone.
I knew a couple of "Eddies" in high school. Rocker types with single parents that were into D&D, they accepted all the outcasts and had a heart of gold despite a scary/tough exterior. They both grew up to be great dudes and even better Dads.
I also loved Dustin's eulogy of Eddie when he was telling his uncle about what happened. "He died fighting for this town that hated him"
I wish more people heard him.
this is what i was saying, it's a pity eddie couldn't see how much of a hero he was for those kids. truly loved the character. he was so beautifully written.
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Eddie dying hit me, but Dustin talking to Mr Munson killed me. I haven't cried like that since Sanji and Luffy on Whole Cake Island.
Sometimes you show the strength of a character with them not even in the scene.
The Dustin and Eddie friendship reminds me of something like Merry and Pippin or Sam and Frodo. Itâs really close, vulnerable and intimate, but in an honestly brotherly sort of way that goes against toxically socially enforced masculine trad-behavior like you would see for example among Jason and Lucasâ sports team. It reflects the broader social status of their in-groups that have no real bearing on their inherent value, unlike what Jason later promotes, immediately taking the first opportunity to denounce them as dangerous satanists because thatâs what people were told by corrupt media in those days. Now however D&D is now more popular and accepted than it ever has been, such as with programs like Critical Role and its promotion by Stranger Things itself.
In a way, this season is all about the outsider, of people dealing with alienation from society, be it at a macro or micro scale, Lucas being estranged from his old friends, Max from everyone, Mike and Eleven, Hopper and the prisoners in Russia, Will, Jonathan from Nancy and of course Eddie and the Hellfire club becoming the punching bag of society itself.
All of it getting to the core of what Stranger Things has been about this whole time, the show at its most nakedly honest, in theme and story. Eddie is the heart and soul of it all, the guy whoâs proud and expressive of what makes him different and special. Heâll never be accepted by society even in death, but heâs at peace with himself even with his name still sullied because as he knew all along, they donât need to validate you with their tolerance for you to matter, all you need that from are the people youâve chosen to love. Ever since Chrissy was murdered in front of him he ran in fear of the pitchforks of society (which of course Jason didnât need to), even from those he expected from his friends. And yet in the end he stood his ground against a swarm of monsters to save his friends and help give Chrissy justice. He didnât run even knowing what it meant, because he was part of something wonderful and giving that up is real death.
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Eddie went out the way any Bard worth his strings would be proud to go. What a wonderful character.
Eddie not going through the gate was more than buying Steve, Nancy, and Robin time. He looked at the opening, and back at the door, and back up at Dustin on the other side. He knew that gate was open and the seal was fully torn off it. If that door came down, the bats were going through it into Hawkins, and right into Dustin on the other side. He drew them away from the trailer to save Dustin and the town that hated him.
Eddie was the coolest character in this season. I liked Eddie at the beginning, but then had mad respect for him. I loved the way he jumped into the lake to help the same people who trying to help him. He didn't even know all the dangers in the Upsidedown, but he went in regardless
I love Eddie. I cried a lot when he died, and I even misted up just watching this video.
Part of it is that he's not afraid to be weird, or even hated. And also, I'm a DM too, and I love my players, and I see that he feels that way too, and seeing Dustin lose a friend and DM so violently, I was just gutted. But it was a really beautiful piece of storytelling.
I just thought of something that makes me sad. Chrisy remembered Eddie's band maybe if he played the song he played that day he could of saved her.
If only he knew music was the key to saving them
Honestly, when they first introduced Eddie I thought that he was going to be this season's bully. But he's grown on me so much in just a few moments that clearly shows this guy has a huge heart but j. I don't cry often from movies or shows but I bawled my eyes out on this one.
My favorite scene/character development ever is Boromir's redemption in Lord of the Rings and Eddie's entire arc is a VERY close second.
Eddie is a true leader someone who can inspiral loyalty through humor. Because Eddie is trying to redeem himself by saying no more treating. It's almost like Eddie is trying to psyching himself up right before war! đ
I wasn't a good fit either. Would loved to have known someone like him in middle school.
The actor who played his uncle was great, too. I could feel the weight of having to raise his no good brother's son, knowing the kid was golden but that society had already thrown him away, while grieving the loss but finally hearing that someone else, Dustin, recognized the heart Eddie had. Good writing, acting and direction all around.
His death hit everyone so hard for everything you said. He represented all the loners, the outcasts, the freaks, and he died smiling for Dustin. I love that you bring up that as he died he was more worried about others and not himself. A true hero through and through.đ€đœđžđ„đ„đ„
you getting emotional near the end is making me tear up at work oh my gosh. eddie was such a special character to so many. im still getting over it.
i know me as well. He was my fav character of the season
I think the drug deal with Chrissy was a defining moment for Eddie, in the show and out. The ways he tried to put her at ease - not all of them successful, but he kept trying. And think remembering that moment - seeing her suffer with no idea what was happening to her - was as important as her death in his determination to eke out every possible second he could for the others.
I fell in love with Eddie in the darkness point in my life, I didn't fall in love with him romanticly...I fell in love with him...him as a person.
When you first meet him, he seems like a no good punk who looks crazy, but after you meet him, you realize how amazing he is.
I ended up using him as a coping mechanism in one of my darkness times....because even though he was different, weird, sometimes crazy...he was able to still be himself, not let the people who dislike the person he was take him down.
I felt like....if he was right in front of me....that he would of accepted me for me. When no one else would, he wouldn't judge me or bully me so quickly for who I am.
Even though he's a fictional character, he was my safe place when I was completely alone...he made me see the light in my darkest thoughts...even though he wasn't even trying.
I don't even know what I'm saying, I am just crying while writing this....I don't expect anyone to care, maybe I just needed to let this out...because I been feeling like no one understood why I use this fictional character as a way to get through my darkest moments.
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@@Hungariangirl I wish I had you there when I was in those moments but thank you for going out of your way to say you care
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I really liked eddie, he was just being himself, he does not feel any obligation to be popular, or feel subject to stereotypes, which is very relatable to me. Also what he said about not saving steve at first, i also really liked him stating that and like saying yeah that's me and i am not ashamed, but i guess he got a negative feeling out of it at the end.
I'm glad that Dustin didn't just stay behind and he was able to get back to the upside-down to be there and validate Eddie in his final moments. I think it did a lot to reaffirm that he has redeemed himself so he can go without that feeling of regret and shame.
I agree I think Dustin was the perfect person to have with him
His little back flip off the bench while he was talking to Chrissy! That bit made me instantly adore him!
yes !!
Besides his own worth issues he takes others in. He doesn't let his history with others effect how he treat other people. He admits he was wrong about Steve. He accepts Chrissy and saw something was wrong with her. My best friend growing up was an Eddie type.
Think the best scene for Eddie was without him. Dustin explaining to Eddie's uncle how he died a hero. We saw little of Eddie and his uncle's relationship but it was obvious it was a bit combative but still showed his uncle loved him.
As an aside, I grew up in the 80's and played D&D so I saw a lot of the craziness of people. Luckily my parents took an interest and learned what it was so didn't see it as a bad thing.
Eddie Munson has become my favorite Stranger Things character. He was so energetic, fun, kind, intense, sweet and thoughtful. When Dustin told Eddie's uncle he died a hero, I cried. I rarely cry when watching stuff. Eddie's uncle gave such amazing performances in his two scenes! Do you think you could do a breakdown of Mr. Munson, Eddie's uncle?
not really planning on the uncle but I may
i was genuinely surprised by how much i ended up liking eddie as a character. a lot of his vibe at first made me think this was not my personal style, but he was such a genuinely great guy and character. he really grows on you and i SOBBED when he died.
My favorite scene with Eddy is his talk with Steve in Ep. 07. He really opens up in this conversation, he's not hiding behind wit or humor or sarcasm.
He admits to Steve that he was jealous of him because of Dustin's admiration for Steve
He admits that to Steve he's been wrong about him, that he thought someone like Steve could only be an asshole and that he realised Steve was, in reality, a real cool dude.
He admits that he's there only because Nancy and Robin came
And there's the implications of this conversation on that Nancy-Steve dynamic, which is very dear to my heat since Nancy and Steve are my two favorite characters
Max juuuuuust edges out as myfavorite character of the season, but my god, I love Eddie's arc and I wished so hard that things worked out a little better for him. He's such a caring and compassionate person, likely something developed after long years of being an outcast and learning to pick up on empathetic queues. I love his D&D game, and his solo in the Upsidedown shows how much a hero is turned out to be.
I love Eddie! I was screaming and crying on the last episode,he's my new favourite character
Good video about our dead favorite character (rip Eddieđ) I would like you to do an analysis of Lucas and how he was portrayed as a nice and loving guy, worried about Max. I love this couple, she's so underratedđ(Yes I know that their beginning of the relationship was written very badly)
I love Lumax so much. Lucas is so good to her, when heâs screaming as sheâs dying in his arms I just lost it. That was traumatic.
I love a lot of scences with Eddie Munson, but it's two scenes that are my favorite. The opening scene in the lunch room and his play fight scence with Dustin.
The lunch room scene speech is silly to others but I liked it a lot because If you don't fit in somewhere , things feel kinda difficult. Eddie just wanted people to not feel alone. Some of the first people who were nice to me in high school were a set of seniors who saw I was sitting alone freshman year during lunch. They asked me to sit with them the rest of semester so I wouldn't be alone. Similar to Eddie with Mike and Dustin.
I also like the scene after the play fight Eddie telling Dustin to not change. He wants Dustin to not lose sight of what already makes him special. Steve and Eddie really do look at Dustin as a little brother and value him so much. I'm really going to miss Eddie, a lot. He was always a hero in my book.
He definitely saved Steve, Nancy and Robin; when we stop to think about it. Without his sacrifice, they would probably be in pieces. :( Some people say that his death was avoidable, but this would probably have meant that others would die instead. Eddie is a team player, so it probably felt like the good thing to do. (Plus, he saw Chrissy die.)
I wish he was still there, he was so endearing
I liked how he could see crissy was having second thoughts an gave her a way out.
Dustin and Eddie's uncle talk about broke me.
Eddie was such a good character and I know a lot of fans want him back, but I think they need to realize WHY he had to go -- if he escaped the Upside Down he'd just be on the run again and even if he did go back to Hawkins he very well would've gotten arrested for Vecna's murders. Dude went out like a badass!
Nah he didn't HAD to go. They could have written things differently
3:25 âEven if they result in failure, usually they donât end up a regret.â
That is an amazing perspective! Thank you so much for sharing that.
PS: How do you always manage to find these characters outfits every time? How LOL?!?
thanks I am happy you liked it . I painted the hellfire club shirt by hand and I also go thrift shopping for things which will match. It is a lot of fun
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I think announcing statements like that isn't just to convince ourselves but also away to seek validation. You want someone else to join you and agree with you, keep you to it but also keep you from being alone in it. Like when Eddie says "no more retreating" I think he wants at least one person in the group to agree with him like "ya no more retreating we are in this together". He wants to be included I this established pack and become apart of it.
i would like to add that moment where Dustin talked to Eddie's uncle . the line "he fought to save this town . a town that HATED him ." to me that hits hard as well because it's true in my opinion that only solidified his heroesm . Not thinking what others think of him but caring and thinking about their safety . I Loved Eddie he is my favorite of all . I am myself a big misfit and always have been that since I was 4 . I'm also a metalhead and am always judged even though I consider myself very friendly I want to help everyone who needs help . I'm getting off track my point is that I relate ALOT to Eddie so his death really really broke me.. I Love that you did an analysis on Eddie's character I've been waiting for this one ! see you in your next video !!
I would love to see a video on Eddie and Chrissy's relationship they were too cute for this show.đ„ș
When I watched the cafeteria scene for the very first time, my gut reaction to Eddie Munson was âOh, this character is off-putting,â and I was prepared to hate him for the rest of the season. I should have known better, because the Duffer brothers *never* give us mains who are straight-up stereotypes without nuance-all of their main characters are so fully realized and 3D-but as someone who spent the first 20 years of life as a terminally shy introvert, I couldnât help the visceral reaction to his brash, vocal demeanor. (Still introverted, BTW, but now thankfully much less anxious and shy.) Yet, despite that initial reaction to the character, I was not at all surprised when, after apologizing for having startled Chrissy in the woods, Eddie read her emotional state in an instant and, with a deep, insightful look of concern-like he really *saw* her-asked, âYou okay?â
In my experience, itâs often the ones who are softest on the inside who try to appear hardest on the outside. Itâs armor, to protect themselves from the cruelty and lack of fairness they perceive in the world. Watching that exchange between Eddie and Chrissy, I felt an instant kinship with the character, who in his fully realized and 3D form reminded me of so many of the caring and supportive people I met in my first year of college, the goths and âfreaksâ who helped me start to break out of my shell and gain confidence in myself and make real friends. From that scene onward, Eddie had my heart, and I found every moment with the character completely endearing.
I only wish I'd had an Eddie in my life much sooner than I did.
could you please make a video about max and billy's complicated relationship and her complicated feelings towards her abuser's death (as we find more details about it in vol 2)?
as well as max's survivor's guilt and the suicidal ideation she dealt with (it was implied by vecna in vol 1 but was talked about a bit more by max in vol 2).
i think she definitely struggled more with suicidal ideation up until the end of episode 4, you could see she was ready to give up throughout the entire episode, even making letters and still shutting everyone out, but facing the actual life or death situation and seeing her friends there, helped her remember she has things to live for, she made that active choice to fight her inner (and literal) demons.
but i do feel as she still struggled with it to some degree in vol 2 as well, even though she did come to the conclusion she wants to live and you could see that in her death scene, you could see how she was affected by her monologue to vecna and how the more she talked about those thoughts she used to have, the more they came back crawling (& honestly some of her behavior in vol 2 still kind of reminded me of a person dealing with suicidal ideation, especially as she volunteered so quickly to put herself in danger again, which is a lot like how some people who struggle, practice extreme activities and put their lives on the line. Sadie Sink, the actress who played max, also said she thinks part of max knew she wouldn't survive)
He reminds me of my friend I met when I was stationed In Colorado, heâs a great person and a even better friend .
Thank you so much for this. I loved Eddie so much, its weird. But it is maybe due to the reason that I related to him a lot. You are absolutely correct on how he thought about others rather than himself. His love for Dustin is so very genuine and innocent. It is almost as if he sees himself in him. He is childlike, funny and charismatic, all of which make him very likable. He not only dedicates his concert to Chrissy but also in the end doesn't hesitate to tell Dustin he loved him, which broke my heart to pieces.
I somehow have this feeling that the biggest reason Eddie got so popular is that pretty much everyone has someone like that in their childhood/younger years. Hits close to home.
I just got done watching volume 2. I was crying back to back to back. And in this video when I heard "I didn't run away this time," I got choked up again.
No matter how many people Henry kills there will always be heroes like Eddie to stand up against him.
I see so much of myself in Eddie, to be honest. I am hardest on myself but less so. Last week I went through the most difficult moment of my own, being secluded from everyone (even my surrogate brother due to Covid, which I don't have now), but I never felt more alone. I fear dying alone and never having anyone because I simply don't trust others that much. I like people, I really do. I want to help others, and I do. I'm not a people pleaser and I'm far from cowardly, but I hate confrontation. I think that's what cements Eddie as a Messianic character for me. He wanted to divert the bats from the portal full well knowing he'd be sacrificing himself in the meantime. He also reveals himself to be an incredible creative talent in how he sets up that epic D&D quest, I mean, good freaking Lord. Most people hate their dungeon masters, but he gave everyone a challenge that pulled them TOGETHER and worked as a team. Also, that metal solo was unbelievable. I cried buckets, and I really felt he was a beautiful, misunderstood soul, but he did receive recognition in his dying moments, and that's all we as humans ever want, is a bit of recognition and unconditional love, no matter how tiny.
wow, love this so epic, eddy is an awesome character I really love his arc in one season from zero to hero...
thanks for the video it's really good
That was almost the name of the video =)
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I can accept his death. What I cannot accept however is the complete lack of recognition by everyone except Dustin and Eddie's uncle. Why isn't Steve, Nancy, Robin, Mike, Erica, Lucas, and all Eddie's hellfire buddies telling anything about his death?? Also the town still think he's a murderer while he died saving it?? That's so fucked up
this seasons plot writing and character writing was the worst so far. I don't think Eddie dying was a good story choice, but even more so, how the existing characters interacted, or more pointedly, *didn't* interact with Eddie. No one accept Steve thanked him for saving him from the bats, and then Steve and the older teens barely address him the rest of the season. It's out of character for Nancy and Steve esp., and even Robin who talks to everyone and can't stop herself from talking.
i felt hurt about that also
Something I think you could have touched on was how Eddie's death can be viewed as a suicide. He must be painfully aware that he has nothing waiting for him in the aftermath, except a life in jail or on the run, universally condemned for Chrissy's death. Add to that his dwindling self esteem over his tendency to run, and it makes a lot of sense that he'd think the best he can achieve at this point is one last blaze of glory, with the veneer of a noble sacrifice.
Eddie's death made me ugly cry and watching this video made me cry all over again. Dustin saying what he said to Eddie's dad was exactly what I had been thinking about Eddie when he died. Glad to know I'm not the only one who was completely torn up about it.
Eddie is dope great analysis on this stranger things character.
Eddie was my favorite character too. unfortunately, i knew he was going to die as soon as Crissy died. i hope that the town recognizes that Eddie was actually a great kid. i think the message the show writers used Eddie for was super important, his character reminds me of the two boys who were put in jail because they were eccentric like Eddie was, everyone assumed the two boys were guilty purely based on the art they created and the way they dressed. and invented a story the resulted in them both doing time for a crime they never committed. mob mentality is truly disgusting, and i see so many people who fall into it willingly instead of seeing if there is another explanation or perspective, or at least questioning the narrative or source. r.i.p. Eddie
i literally sobbed during that scene.
the line that really hit me was when Dustin was talking to his uncle and he said that Eddie saved the whole town, even though the town hated him. it made me realize he wanted to be a hero so bad and he wanted everyone to acknowledge that maybe he wasn't so much of an outcast after all the people just needed someone to blame. and i feel like no one should have to prove themselves because the people that you have to prove yourself to just arent worth your time which is why i loved his and dustins friendship.
God. I still can't not cry at it. Joseph Quinn's performance was so phenomenal.
Thank you for this.
Eddie was my favorite character in not just this season, but the entire series. He's extreme relatable, and was basically me in my later teenage years (some keywords here: metalhead, roleplayer, dungeon master, bullied by the jocks, outcast, family trouble, the list goes on).
My favorite Eddie quote:
"I say, you're asking me to follow you into Mordor, which, if I'm totally straight with you I think is a really bad idea. But the Shire, the Shire is burning. So Mordor it is."
The fact that people are so surprised and interested in Eddie as a character gives me so much more insight into NTs thinking.
I just have to say, if that leather jacket is just for the cosplay, and isn't part of your normal wardrobe, I'd suggest keeping it, because you wear it REALLY well.
it was just for a cosplay but thank you very much I may just wear it
the worst part about his death is the fact that no one but dustin even said anything about eddie after his death no one but dustin and eddie's uncle even acknowledged his death and that was the saddest part imo, started as eddie the banished and ended as eddie the forgotten champion.
Wow. You nailed it. He took all rejects. His last thoughts were of his tribe. Great character. Beautifully done.
Third time trying to watch this without bawling like a baby. Eddie is my favorite character. His death hit me really hard. I was just sobbing. I hadn't cried that badly over a character's death since the death of a certain godfather in a certain wizard school book series.
Love this! I thought I've accepted his death already but watching this made me cry all over again.
I just started watching your Stranger Things videos and it's been really insightful! Will you be doing another video for Max? I really resonate with her and the finale broke me.
If Eddie had gone to my high school (class of â87!) I would have brought my guitar to school in hopes that he would talk to me, because I would have been way too freaked out to approach him⊠because I would have been madly in love at first sight
Regarding heroism...
The thing is? Every body will die, eventually. It's just a matter of when.
But WHO YOU ARE... that can be more important than life.
I don't normally post on youtube, and I'm not sure if someone else already said it or not...but what about Eddie's talk with Steve the first time into the upside down? I feel that Eddie's talk with Steve further shows his character. He was able to help motivate Steve and point out characteristics he didn't see himself. Even from a D&D perspective, and how this shows pulls a lot of D&D references...I would argue that Eddie was quite literally the Bard of the group. He had a lot of charisma, rocked out, and most importantly inspired. Eddie's talk with Steve is just one example of his inspiration in the group. Also, as other people have been mentioning he's also inspired people who really go to know him, like Dustin's talk with Eddie's dad. Also, he inspired his own hellfire group and the main cast of Stranger Things (or at least a good amount of them that were with him).
As a side note: I really like your therapist point of views and relating it to current media. I feel these discussions are very important that youtube and even certain sections of society lacks. You present these discussions in an interesting and light maner that can be easily understood and related. You do a fantasic job with your videos and costumes. If you see this post, thank you for taking your time to review it.
Thanks for commenting =) i do think he is a perfect Bard. He did do a great job with steve also it was a really touching scene. It is always a struggle with what I leave in and out so the video isn't too long. But Steve's relationship with eddie was very genuine. Perhaps a future video
Can you do a video on Robin being gay? She's really good representation and I'd want to see you analyse it (sorry if this sounds weird. I, much like Robin, cannot socialise)
As a lesbian, I second this
My favorite Eddie scenes were with Chrissy and Steve. I've loved analyzing these characters using D&D archetypes with this show and I think its really interesting how Eddie is viewed by the town as an evil Warlock, but in reality he is a wise, misunderstood, charismatic bard always inspiring others by seeing the best in them and never respecting boundaries simply for conformity's sake. He may not fight as well as Steve or be as smart as Nancy, but he really brought something special to it. I think that even though he is dead, he will very much be an active force continuing to inspire our other heroes in the years to come as the battle against the invasion of Hawkins.
I would love that Eddie would take Nancy out of the trance with some metal version of a Madonna song, instead of that stupid deus ex.
it would also mean that the "this time is different, i can fight" vibe is a reasonable thing , while regretting not doing that for Chrissy.
In the first episode, in the DnD scene, Eddie's DM style showed that he was an uplifting DM. In moments where victory is uncertain, he reassures his players that there's no shame in temporary retreat, rather than taunting them. He congratulates his players' victory, and shows them respect with a bow. Rather than be an oppositional DM, he promotes them to heroism. Its a small thing, but as a DM myself, that told me a lot about him right off the bat.
He inspired them to be better and also in the end himself. Very well said that you for pointing out his dm style. It was really wonderful
One of the things I like most about the show is that it doesn't just mess around with the nostalgia of its setting, how it shows people of today how cool and fun the '80s were, but how messed-up that time could be as well (my city managed to evade the "Satanic Panic"...we had an actual game store within walking distance of the schools I went to, and even when that one closed down in the 2000s a new one opened across the street). I particularly enjoy how, by pure coincidence, I was merely three grades below the Hawkins Gang and into the same things as the boys...it makes the show that much more personal to me. Sadly, in 1986 I didn't have Eddie to look out for me...I had to wait another few years to have my own Bob, Larry, and Dave to show me that being a "nerd + metal" was the way to go. The joke was actually on the "conformist" kids...I got into Hollywood making chainmail armor for films and was partying at a comics convention with many of my childhood heroes instead of going to my 10-year reunion.
One thing that shows Eddie's character very early on is when the party defeated Vecna, he was thrilled and took a bow.
People who don't game might not realize this, but there are a lot of immature types who lord over having the 'power' of DM (particularly at a young age), and see the game as competitive. Which is weird. And they would be angry if their enemies are defeated. (I bumped into a lot of this in college)
That Eddie isn't like that at ALL underlines the fact that he's not some old kid trying to play out his feeling of powerlessness by dominating a bunch of smaller kids. Which is something that can come up in groups that feel isolated from the general mainstream, you get predatory types who manipulate that sense of camaraderie.
But not Eddie.
I also was deeply affected by his death.
I was looking forward if you'd do an azlyaztion on him and always, wonderful explanation! I honestly did not like eddie at first but once I grew onto him the last scene with him made me feel as if I knew him like I lost somebody close. His actor did a great job making him so loveable. To me in poor writing skills his death is pointless, but in the characters views, it's not to them:( Also your line "this is his way of graduating as a person" I never considered that so great catch and video!:)
I am happy that you enjoyed the video =)
Eddie's death literally got me sobbing like a baby for the entirety of the rest of the episode, on top of what happened to max. Man, I never thought stranger things would have hit me so hard in the feels
I love that this theme of running away vs putting up a fight, even though it's potentially the last stand, starts out as early as the D&D game. Eddie expects the players to flee in front of apparently unbeatable odds... and they don't. Gonna miss this character a lot, wish we had more time with him :/
Thanks Georgia. I resisted bawling when watching Stranger Things, now I suddenly have an allergy attack. He was such a good character.
I hope you feel better đđ
I really liked Eddie talking to Steve about wanting to leave him once he leapt into the upsidedown.
I find it interesting how Eddie starts off as the DM, the one holding all the cards who not only is tasked with helping the party grow and succeed, but also tasked with challenging the party and playing the villains the party is meant to defeat or fail against. Then, in real life, Eddie is trying to help someone out, trying to give Chrissy something she believes she needs in order to grow past this rough patch until Vecna strikes and causes a disaster, and suddenly Eddieâs to blame because all the normal evidence points to him. Heâs cast into the role of villain by the townsfolk, heâs literally the victim the party has to protect, heâs still in these flexible roles a DM has to fill. But near the end, he finally becomes a member of the party, he trains for combat, and when faced with the choice of running to live another day or fighting and potentially dying, he chooses heroically.
Wonderfully stated
If you get a chance this weekend, "A Silent Voice" by Hayao Miyazaki
If you have not seen this movie, you will not regret what it offers.
You could Piggyback on your own intelligence and take it further.
I would consider this a "must watch" for any empath or super feeler.
Thank you for recommending Arcane.
It was not Miyazaki, the manga was written by Yoshitaka Oima and directed by Naoka Yamada
But yes it would be nice if she did an analysis on him
Just wanted to say I love your content, you are always so insightful and the care and love you put into your work is so clear. Iâm currently studying Clinical Psychology myself, and you help me to appreciate the media I love even more!
Wow, thank you! and it is a wonderful degree to have
Every season they introduce a guy who dies. Season 5 is NOT going to get me đ€
Wow this opened up some wounds đą. I love Eddie and I relate so much with him because in junior high I would get picked on because people didnât like the Slayer patch on the back of my jacket. They considered me a devil worshiper just because it had an image of a crucified devil which in retrospect makes absolutely no sense since crucifixion is not a good thing. đ€·đ»ââïž
Dustin's speech to his uncle though... DAYAMN!!!
I like the twist they gave Eddie. When you first meet him, he seems to be a bit of a bully. He doesn't care what anyone thinks.
But he's really a fun, caring marshmallow.
Great analysis, as always.
I love Eddie, he was such a pure soul. I hope he comes back as some kind of â Force Ghostâ.
Also where is everyone getting these hellfire club shirts.
I hand painted the hellfire shirt. =)) im very proud
@@GeorgiaDow that is really cool.
Grats on 100K!!!