Anne Boleyn's father in Hever (UNCUT)
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- ➜ Come visit the tomb of Anne Boleyn's father, Sir Thomas Boleyn, in St Peter's Church, Hever, Kent ➜ See his monumental brass figure dressed as a knight of the Order of the Garter ➜ Also see the small grave of Anne's brother Henry Boleyn, who died as a very young child ➜ First in a series of episodes on the burial place of Anne Boleyn's father, Thomas Boleyn ➜
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🕘 KEY MOMENTS🕘
00:00:00 Opening titles and introduction
00:00:13 Plane flying over church and walking into graveyard
00:00:41 Church steeple and interest in the Tudors and Boleyn family
00:00:54 Gravestone of Frances King d. 1869, daughter of John Barton and Elizabeth Keeys of Four Elms Farm and wife of Jonas King, surgeon of South Lambeth and graves next to church
00:01:15 First visit to Hever Castle as a child with my dad and visiting the church and Boleyn tombs
00:01:37 Brick tomb chest to an unknown person
00:01:54 Is the church open?
00:02:04 The church is open! The font by the door
00:02:12 Inside the church
00:02:32 Looking again at the font
00:02:56 Memorial brass of Margaret Cheyne d. 1419
00:03:26 Tomb of Thomas Bullen or Boleyn d. 1538, father of Anne Boleyn
00:03:37 Tomb is set in a recess, so floor level must have been raised
00:03:55 Damaged sides of tomb chest
00:04:07 Monumental brass on top of tomb chest
00:04:17 Feet of brass, with griffin
00:04:27 Shading on face of monumental brass
00:05:08 Insignia of Knight of the Garter. "Honi soit qui mal y pense" is Latin for "shamed be whoever thinks ill of it"
00:05:23 Inscription
00:05:50 Damage to edge tomb
00:06:01 End of tomb with missing shield and damage
00:06:17 Grave slab with brass of Henry Boleyn, son of Thomas Boleyn and Elizabeth Howard and brother of Queen Anne Boleyn
00:07:22 Wall monument to Harriette Ellen, wife of Edmund Waldo Meade-Waldo d. 1875
00:07:36 Wall monuments to Edmund Wakefield Meade-Waldo d, 1858 and Gustavus Rochfort Meade-Waldo d. 1862, Colonel Rochfort d. 1848, wife Dorothy d. 1856 and son Gustavus d. 1855 and Harriet Bloomfield, wife of Edmund Wakefield Mead Waldo d. 1838
00:07:47 Monuments to the Mead Waldo family in the chapel
00:07:58 Stone in floor inscribed with 'E.W.M.W.' so clearly a Mead Waldo and fireplace in the chapel
00:08:13 Whose is the grave under the carpet?
00:08:49 Guide book and post cards
00:09:12 Looking through the church guide
00:09:33 Looking at the plan of the church and comparing it to the visible monuments
00:10:04 No other stones on the floor of the church and memorial to soldiers of the parish who died in the war
00:10:26 The burial places of the other members of the Boleyn family, including Anne's mother Elizabeth Boleyn, formerly Howard
00:11:08 Closing titles
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He's the Grandfather of one of the greatest rulers of England
I wonder if Elizabeth I remembered him?
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Probably not
@@TimKozlowski-bp5tg you never know. My grandfather died when I was 5 and I remember him. I just don't know what contact he might have had with Elizabeth. Probably very little, maybe from afar.
I still have the brass rubbing of Thomas Bullen, which I did in the 1960s, when you were still allowed to do them. Remember climbing up onto the tomb in order to do it. Took quite a few hours.
That is very exciting to have indeed. I think when I visited in the 1990s to look at it, brass rubbing was not allowed then. So I am envious you have that rubbing!
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Trouble is no one I know wants it. It is still rolled up in a tube and will probably just be thrown away. I now live in Spain so difficult to send it anywhere
@@michaeldianewynne8414 don't throw it away! That would be very, very sad!!
I agree. Is there any way I can contact you privately?
@@michaeldianewynne8414 of course. Are you on instagram? instagram.com/fourminutefamilyhistory4mfh/ If not, please let me know!
thank you so very much for this video.
Thank you for watching and subscribing. More episodes are coming!
The Garter motto on his robe comes from this story about King Edward III. While dancing with a woman, her garter slipped off her leg and fell to the floor. It is believed she was a witch as it was common for them to wear a garter on their thigh under their garments. The King picked up her garter placing it back on her thigh uttering the words "Honi soit qui mal y pense" Norman French meaning "Shame on him who thinks evil of it."
Thank you for sharing that story, I didn't know the origin of the motto.
‘Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense’ is still commemorated on the cap badge of the Royal Engineers
@@bob_the_bomb4508 Thank you. I was not aware if that. My great uncle was in the Royal Engineers bomb disposal and killed in 1941 while disposing of a bomb dropped in the Portsmouth Blitz. I think now you mention it my great Granny may have embroidered a handkerchief with the logo on.
Very interesting. Thank you
Thanks. Very interesting video.
Thank you for watching. I have been finding out more about this tomb and that will be coming soon.
I really enjoyed this
@@donadieu83 thank you. Please subscribe as more on this church and the church where Anne Boleyn's mother is buried is coming soon.
There was no standard English so people's names were spelled differently so it would have not unusual ...bullen and Boleyn same family .
Indeed. The spellings can be so varied for so many names. I think it interesting though that the two little tombs to Thomas and Henry Boleyn in Hever and Penshurst have different surname spellings as I think they were probably put in place at the same time. But as with many of these things, we are just not at all sure!
I'm a decendant of the Cheyneys. My lot were the Kent cheyneys of Chilham Castle Kent, Sheppey & Faversham Kent
Interesting that his name is spelled differently. Sad that the brasses etc have been stolen? It would be nice to have arranged to meet with someone who knew more about the brasses, burial records, etc. Good video
There are many more videos coming up on this topic and I have researched the tmbs a lot more since this one. The only one currently up online is czcams.com/video/L7b-pqvjVPo/video.html However more are coming and it is apparent that some of the brass elements have been replaced. It seems the whole brass cross in Hever for infant Henry is a replacement. i assume originally it was the same design as the one in Penshurst to Thomas Boleyn with a stepped base. One thing I would like to try and find out is if they reshaped the indent in the stone when they replaced the cross. But not sure that is something I will ever be able to ascertain.
Evil be to he who evil thinks.......I use that snippet myself.......strangely appropriate for a Father who abandoned his daughter to her fate at the hands of Henry V111th, I imagine the irony of the quote wasn’t lost on those who read it at the time.
When a King as powerful as Henry the eighth wants your daughter, what can you do about it? Not much.
I was reading about this and there is just not enough primary sources for us to know for sure what he could or couldn't do. Did he have any choice? Do you listen to the Talking Tudors podcasts at all? There are some great discussions on this topic there.
@@user-pk1gp7iy2o I think sadly this is probably how it was, but I understand why people do not look favourably on Anne Boleyn's parents. We just don't have the primary sources to know anything for certain.
The brass of Margaret Cheyne (pronounced CHAINEY) (1419) one of the most beautiful of the surviving brasses from the early 15th century. Margaret wears a long gown, tight fitting in the upper body, with a cloak, open at the front and tied with a cord at the breast. Her hair is attached to nets, covering the ears and extending outward and upward, with a veil that hangs down to her shoulders at the sides and back. Two angels hold the embroidered pillow behind her head, and a small dog is at her feet. The Latin inscription translates as follows,
“Here lies Margaret, once the wife of William Cheyne, who died on the 23rd day of the month of August, in the Year of Our Lord 1419, on whose soul may God have mercy Amen.”
Been to this church several times while visiting Hever Castle, really amazing little church. The Henry VIII pub (ironic name considering his history with the family) was just across the street...nice little pub.
People who visit the castle seem to miss the church and I think it is a brilliant place to visit.
Good video
Thank you for watching.
I visited hever and missed the chapel.
It sadly is so easy to do!
Please dont be so critical. It's still very interesting
Bullen is a common spelling of the time.
I think the Latin means “Evil to Him Who Evil Thinks”.
8:08 don't need to be a tomb, could be an old stairwell
Do you mean the fireplace or the tomb under the carpet?
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH I meant the one that's filled in under the carpet, but of course the fireplace would be a good place to look for it, too. These catacombes always had multiple entries some to access hidden parts. It's not indiana jones, It's just how they protected the dead (that could pay for it)
And those exclusive clubs also had a thing about going down there and talk to them..
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@@happyfox711 from my research it looks like the stone was originally somewhere else and later moved to this chapel. Vaults were certainly under some stones, but as far as I know the chapel has never been excavated. Maybe one day!
What about mrs Boleyn? Is she in the church, also?
He told us that at the end, exactly where she was buried.
@@debbierowley8833 thanks...will watch it again...had to tend to my baking and lost it!
As far as I know I read that she was buried with her family (the Norfolk kin)
@@SawChick249 thanks!
She is in Lambeth parish church and there is a video about her gravestone in the link at the end of this message. I have actually been researching this church and the burial places of the Howard family in it. A video on a big project I have set up on researching this church is coming soon. czcams.com/video/fxF9vzCnIxc/video.html
I wonder if there are any descendants from the Boleyn family>
Sure they are , seating on todays Monarchy, princessDiana was another one related to her
Lots of them.
Yes there are so many descendants via Mary Boleyn|Carey|Stafford, including the present King of England, Charles III. Many of us here could easily be descendants without knowing!
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Its French, Shame be to him who thinks evil of it
thank you for commenting. Hope you found the video interesting.
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH very much so, albeit that the Bullens were a star crossed fsmily
@@rogerfielding1117 Thank you. They certainly were. The difference between 1535 when the whole family was alive and 1539 when Mary Boleyn was the only one left.
Isn't that the motto of The Knight's Garter? Interesting, I didn't know he was a Knights Garter.
@@leesa3140 it is. And yes he was. He also seems to have stayed in favour at court even after his children were executed. Very confusing dynamics indeed. Imagine being with Henry VIII after he killed two of your three children?
.. And I thought he was in the hellfire cave..
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Do you think he was a terrible man? I find it so hard to imagine what it must have been like for him and his wife seeing their family destroyed by a tyrant like Henry VIII.
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Sure, but It's a long time ago, don't you think they've gotten over it by now? One elite tyranny or another, they always wrote down history in their favour.
So I take things with a pinch of salt, although things were savage, (even today, when tyrants can't even keep the peace)
And they all did the same popery.
One church or another rebellious offspring. Get the gold, by selling tickets to heaven, or just simply slaughter and take it. Always a f... insane crusade.
You don't see many rich people w.o. slaves and blood on their hands.
Sorry man, I care more for normal people
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH in short, probably quite terrible
It could have been more interesting if the person making this video had more information .
easy to find
There is a whole series of videos coming on this and the second one is here: czcams.com/video/L7b-pqvjVPo/video.html
@@billcoley6561 Seek and ye shall find……
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Thank you, I’m not sure some realise how much work goes into these. Much appreciated.
@@MJM-BS3 I had no idea how long it takes to edit a video and do everything you need to on CZcams until I started a channel! I also always want to make sure that videos are fully accessible so you have to edit all the subtitles too. If the person had looked in the description they could have found the next video which has more information. More in the series will be coming soon. Thank you for watching.
It French not Latin : evil to him who evil thinks
Thank you. I should know this. Embarrassing really!
The camerawork leaves a lot to be desired.
Agree! Sadly I wasn't planning on filming that day, it was a bit spontaneous so I didn't have my vlog camera. But this is the first in a series on this church so you will see it filmed better in future!
He was using his phone, you can see it. Why say anything? It was interesting.
Go see if you can do better.
You talk too much about yourself. We are here for Anne Boleyn, not you.
Then go visit and keep your rude comments to yourself.
When people have their own CZcams channels they often talk about themselves. Are you new to CZcams?
@@user-pk1gp7iy2o Put one of your videos up for a fair comparison please.
@user-pk1gp7iy2o If you are there for Anne Boleyn you are going to have a long wait
This must be one of the most unprofessionally-made videos it has ever been my misfortune to watch.
Surely if you were going to visit a church and make a video, you would contact the relevant authorities beforehand and make the necessary arrangements?
You would ask if it would be open and if not, make arrangements for it to be opened.
How can you not know the meaning of “Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense?”
How could you not know the history of the font?
I repeat my comment. Thoroughly unprofessional.
Oh, one more question. Why are you so bald?
Your name certainly suits you! Thank you for watching. It certainly is very sad indeed that writing comments like this are a source of enjoyment for you. I hope that in time you can heal and find a resolution to whatever has happened to you and hurt you in your life. I hope you have a lovely day!
Better on mute. I don't want to hear about you. No speculations, please. Oh goodie! The door was unlocked!
I hope you are having a lovely week!
@@laurelshelhamer8958 It is unfortunate you are not on mute
About history, and those that wrote it down..
I'm a viking. You english forget we had the islands long before you started writing so much crap about us.
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We're in your blood.
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Tudors..