Wow. I visited this museum and probably was in the gift shop yet I didn't know the gravestone of Elizabeth Boleyn nee Howard was located there. I feel foolish for not knowing that or seeing it. Thanks for sharing it.
The fact it has been found has not really had a big fanfare or anything really as far as I know. Hopefully more people will know about it. More videos on the tomb are coming, so please subscribe for updates.
It's always a treat to re-vist a favourite place. How special for you to share this with us..a well documented video and lovely to watch. Enjoy your wanderings. 👌🇳🇱🙋♀🥝
Thank you for watching and subscribing. Do you know where your surname originates? I have filmed a whole series of episodes on the Stephenson and Stevenson families of Whitby and Lythe in Yorkshire and basically done a one name study of the name in that area. It is a long shot that yours come from there, but you never know! These are coming soon.
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH No worries. Yes, I think they came from Yorkshire, but it's a fairly common name. My ancestors are also Birdsall, which is definitely a Yorkshire name. So if both sides were from Yorkshire, they came all the way to New Zealand to meet! 🙂
@@andrewstevenson118 I was surprised by how many Stephenson families there are in this small area, so yes lots in Yorkshire for sure! Maybe one day you will find the place of origin of your branch.
@@andrewstevenson118 I was surprised by how many Stephensons there were in this small area, so yes definitely a lot of them in Yorkshire! Maybe one day you will find out what place your line comes from. Birdsall is an interesting and unusual name as well.
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH There's a family legend that we're distantly related to Robert Louis, but I don't think it's true. Also the "Lighthouse Stevensons" who built many lighthouses around Scotland and England.
Thank you! More episodes are coming soon. It has been a bit quiet as I have been working on finding out more about this tomb and this is going to be coming very soon!
I live very close to he museum & The Howard connection is fascinating. When Queen Victoria authorised the digging up & identification of the tombs surrounding the altar at the church in the Tower of London, there was no trace of Katharine Howard, who was buried there after her execution. It is possible that during the reign of Queen Mary, whilst there was a Catholic Archbishop of Canterbury that the Horwards could have removed her from the tower by barge and brought her for burial in their own chapel at Lambeth. Katherine spent much of her life at Norfolk House which was opposite the church. Any reburial would not have been marked & when you look at the floor of the Chapel it would seem that many potential areas for burial do not have tombstones. Has an archeological survey of the site ever been done?
I have long been interested in the discovery of all the burials under the floor of St Peter ad Vincula chapel in the Tower of London. What I have never seen though is the original source document which apparently recorded where all the burials had actually taken place in the chapel all those years before. Church registers for the chapel only begin in 1550. I have found this document showing the plan of the chapel vaults before the restoration of 1876 discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2003486 and this page www.hrp.org.uk/blog/500-years-of-the-chapel-royal-of-st-peter-ad-vincula/#gs.7epqi6 states that in 1876 there were 1,768 bodies found inside. This page onthetudortrail.com/Blog/anne-boleyn/anne-boleyns-remains-the-restoration-of-the-chapel-of-st-peter-ad-vincula/ throws huge doubt on any of the 1876 identifications being correct anyway. I think Katharine Howard's remains were there and just wrongly attributed. It is highly unlikely that the Howard family would have cared about her enough to retrieve her bones as she had brought the family name into disrepute and they basically cut her off. The Howard Chapel and its history is an interesting one, as in future episodes we will look at the now lost tombs once in the Howard Chapel and try to imagine what it may have looked like. There were many surveys done when the museum and former church was redeveloped in 2015 to 2017 and it was said that no burials remained under the floor. However I have told by another source that it was not really looked into that much. Could the vaults have been filled and the coffins still have been there? Were any of the Howard bodies moved into the surviving vault under the chancel? Some questions can be answered and some will remain, but maybe they will be solved in the future.
Yes I don't really know why they put such a historically important grave slab in such a high traffic area so it will wear away to nothing. I do love the Garden Museum though.
I agree completely. I just find this whole concept of a modern wooden interior structure and a gift shoppe distasteful and disrespectful. I would not visit.
@@MyFondestMemories I know it can be sad when churches and old buildings are changed, but if it was not for John and Rosemary Nicholson in the 1970s, the whole building would have been demolished and then everything would sadly have been lost. People don't really go to church now so lots of these buildings are finding alternative uses.
@@jamibeck9868 I first started looking into these tombs over 30 years ago. I have done quite a bit of digging into this stone over the past year and all the lost ones in the Howard Chapel, so hopefully you will enjoy the series of videos.
Wow. I visited this museum and probably was in the gift shop yet I didn't know the gravestone of Elizabeth Boleyn nee Howard was located there. I feel foolish for not knowing that or seeing it. Thanks for sharing it.
The fact it has been found has not really had a big fanfare or anything really as far as I know. Hopefully more people will know about it. More videos on the tomb are coming, so please subscribe for updates.
It's always a treat to re-vist a favourite place. How special for you to share this with us..a well documented video and lovely to watch. Enjoy your wanderings. 👌🇳🇱🙋♀🥝
Thank you very much! Lots more on this to come. I have found out a lot more about this church and tomb and this will be coming in future episodes!
Thank you, sir. The Boleyn history is fascinating and tragic. Good work.
Thank you for watching and subscribing. Do you know where your surname originates? I have filmed a whole series of episodes on the Stephenson and Stevenson families of Whitby and Lythe in Yorkshire and basically done a one name study of the name in that area. It is a long shot that yours come from there, but you never know! These are coming soon.
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH No worries. Yes, I think they came from Yorkshire, but it's a fairly common name. My ancestors are also Birdsall, which is definitely a Yorkshire name. So if both sides were from Yorkshire, they came all the way to New Zealand to meet! 🙂
@@andrewstevenson118 I was surprised by how many Stephenson families there are in this small area, so yes lots in Yorkshire for sure! Maybe one day you will find the place of origin of your branch.
@@andrewstevenson118 I was surprised by how many Stephensons there were in this small area, so yes definitely a lot of them in Yorkshire! Maybe one day you will find out what place your line comes from. Birdsall is an interesting and unusual name as well.
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH There's a family legend that we're distantly related to Robert Louis, but I don't think it's true. Also the "Lighthouse Stevensons" who built many lighthouses around Scotland and England.
loved the presentation.. Subscribed.. Great format!!
Thank you! More episodes are coming soon. It has been a bit quiet as I have been working on finding out more about this tomb and this is going to be coming very soon!
I live very close to he museum & The Howard connection is fascinating.
When Queen Victoria authorised the digging up & identification of the tombs surrounding the altar at the church in the Tower of London, there was no trace of Katharine Howard, who was buried there after her execution. It is possible that during the reign of Queen Mary, whilst there was a Catholic Archbishop of Canterbury that the Horwards could have removed her from the tower by barge and brought her for burial in their own chapel at Lambeth. Katherine spent much of her life at Norfolk House which was opposite the church. Any reburial would not have been marked & when you look at the floor of the Chapel it would seem that many potential areas for burial do not have tombstones. Has an archeological survey of the site ever been done?
I have long been interested in the discovery of all the burials under the floor of St Peter ad Vincula chapel in the Tower of London. What I have never seen though is the original source document which apparently recorded where all the burials had actually taken place in the chapel all those years before. Church registers for the chapel only begin in 1550. I have found this document showing the plan of the chapel vaults before the restoration of 1876 discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2003486 and this page www.hrp.org.uk/blog/500-years-of-the-chapel-royal-of-st-peter-ad-vincula/#gs.7epqi6 states that in 1876 there were 1,768 bodies found inside. This page onthetudortrail.com/Blog/anne-boleyn/anne-boleyns-remains-the-restoration-of-the-chapel-of-st-peter-ad-vincula/ throws huge doubt on any of the 1876 identifications being correct anyway. I think Katharine Howard's remains were there and just wrongly attributed. It is highly unlikely that the Howard family would have cared about her enough to retrieve her bones as she had brought the family name into disrepute and they basically cut her off. The Howard Chapel and its history is an interesting one, as in future episodes we will look at the now lost tombs once in the Howard Chapel and try to imagine what it may have looked like. There were many surveys done when the museum and former church was redeveloped in 2015 to 2017 and it was said that no burials remained under the floor. However I have told by another source that it was not really looked into that much. Could the vaults have been filled and the coffins still have been there? Were any of the Howard bodies moved into the surviving vault under the chancel? Some questions can be answered and some will remain, but maybe they will be solved in the future.
This is the account of the 1876 excavations and removal of bodies: play.google.com/books/reader?id=aGjSAAAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.PA32&hl=en
I loathe seeing the stones used in walking areas! The inscriptions will wear out.
Yes I don't really know why they put such a historically important grave slab in such a high traffic area so it will wear away to nothing. I do love the Garden Museum though.
I agree completely.
I just find this whole concept of a modern wooden interior structure and a gift shoppe distasteful and disrespectful. I would not visit.
@@MyFondestMemories I know it can be sad when churches and old buildings are changed, but if it was not for John and Rosemary Nicholson in the 1970s, the whole building would have been demolished and then everything would sadly have been lost. People don't really go to church now so lots of these buildings are finding alternative uses.
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Same.
@lyricsanders9130 Thank you. More videos on this will be coming, as I have filmed quite a few more about Hever and Lambeth and the tombs.
@@jamibeck9868 thank you. In that case you will see me in the Metropolitan Archives looking through documents relating to Lambeth very soon!
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH I'm envious. And looking forward to answers about Elizabeth Howard/Boleyn's grave slab.
@@jamibeck9868 I first started looking into these tombs over 30 years ago. I have done quite a bit of digging into this stone over the past year and all the lost ones in the Howard Chapel, so hopefully you will enjoy the series of videos.