90s SKATEPUNK IS DEAD? NOFX, Bad Religion, Pennywise, The Offspring
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2018
- What killed 90s skatepunk? In the late 90s, it felt like there was an endless supply of bands borrowing from NOFX, Pennywise and Bad Religion, some of them even getting close to the Billboard top 10.
But as popular as skatepunk was at its peak, it never got any bigger-- in fact, it kind of fizzled in the early to mid 2000s. Was it killed by the rise of bands like Blink-182 and New Found Glory, or did the gatekeeper attitudes of the genre's founders kill it??
A few of the things I touch on:
- The 1st gen skatepunk bands like Bad Religion, DI, JFA, RKL, and The Faction
- Why Nirvana, Green Day and The Offspring were indirectly responsible for the 90s skatepunk boom
- The 90s generation of skatepunk bands like NOFX, Strung Out, Pulley, The Vandals, Unwritten Law, Guttermouth and No Use For A Name
- Why Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph were the key labels for 90s skatepunk and NOFX's "Punk In Drublic" was the most important album of the genre
- The "Punk O Rama" and "Survival Of The Fattest" sampler CDs
- Airwalks, chain wallets, dickies shorts, and other questionable 90s punk fashion choices
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Please for the love of god! Do a "what killed ska" video!! Skate punk and ska went hand in hand in the 90s skate scene. At least where I lived. Anyway, would really love to hear your take on what happened there.
I just want to say that Propaghandi may not have been big where you lived, but up here in Canada, they were pretty well known. All the punk rock kids at my high school in Toronto knew about that band. This was in the late 90s/early 00's.
anybody that says i was 40% pretending was 100% pretending
Idk about it being dead...im going to Gnarlytown Festival next month with Pennywise headlining and Nitro Circus is gonna be there as well as a skateboarding exhibition.
I also back in October I wanna say went to Huntington Beach for Surf City Blitz with Social D, Bad Religion, Rancid, Pennywise, Suicidal Tendencies, Offspring, TSOL, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Fear, Mad Caddies I think was there too.
Anyways both days were packed, even more so on day 2 probably because Social D was headlining and they always draw huge crowds in SoCal. Second day they said over 20 thousand people were there on the beach I think.
Anyways, yes, there's not new bands in the genre, but when they show up so do the fans. They're older now, but still loyal. It's like Rolling Stones only they aren't charging over a hundred bucks for cheap seats at the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum.
BTW, I love u mentioning Face to Face and Lagwagon, those two bands I make sure I go see any time I see a show.
Pulley is awesome. The reason Pulley didn't get so big is because their singer was a professional baseball pitcher. Played in the major leagues for a dozen years or so and even works as a pitching coach for various teams that sort of changes year to year now.
He actually had another band before pulley named Ten Foot Pole that was legit, but they wanted to tour in the summer months. Unfortunately he had a baseball career.
But ya, Pulley sort of plays only in the off months of baseball. It was originally Scott and members of other bands (including Jordan Burns from Strung Out playing guitars originally) doing shows in the baseball off-season. They still do the same sort of schedule today.
Side note, a year ago Jordan Burns left Strung Out and I didn't know when I went to see them at Musink festival when Descendents headlined. It was literally a few weeks before the show he left the band. Travis Barker who is the promoter of the show every year played a few songs with them and those songs sounded like dogshit cause he doesn't play at that same tempo and kept going to blink 182 and transplants drum beats and it just sounded weird as fuck.
Skatepunk died when Bob had to quit drinkin after 15 years of getting loaded and his liver exploded.
At least he got a new haircut and a girl
What is Bob gonna do now that he cant' drink...
el chingon del norte
Fuck I feel the mans pain. Drinking yourself to that point fucking sucks.
Ok, but did he ever walk the line?
hahahaha hell yeah man.
I credit Tony hawk pro skater for bringing this music to younger kids. Those soundtracks were amazing. Matt Hoffman pro BMX as well.
yh the game(s) should have been worth a mention. Was bringing skatepunk a lot into the mainstream...back then i wasnt sure i was real happy about it tbh
Needed to say this too. Every extreme sport game in the 90's/2000's had skate punk.
Awww man you’re totally right. THPS should have been mentioned. As a kid from Serbia while my country was isolated from the rest of the world it meant the everything to me. I got to see Dog Eat Dog a month or two ago. Brought me back 20 years ago. Not a skate punk but close enough 🙂
Nikola Kojic I never even learned how to Ollie but I loved the video games. And the music. Don’t listen to it much anymore but I’ve heard it all so much. And Not many bands are making anything new like that.
I have to agree. Born in 94, started playing these games in like 2000 or so, I heard suicidal tendencies and consumed and was instantly hooked. Same with bad religion and lagwagon
Still my favourite genre of music ever, even at 44 years old.
Same here, pennywise is still my favorite band
Same
@Chris Humphries Better late than never friend🍻
Only 16 and my Dad got me into all of this. Kind of sad I missed the 90s but this stuff will live on forever with me
rhis guy is so wrong. skate punk never died. so many new great skate punk bands.
"Old punks don't die... they just cash in." -Youth Brigade
Punk isn't dead it is just passed out in the corner
Too many pabts
Its about time it woke up!
Or getting high with someones dad
Yeah it's coming back cuz no kid I know don't hate it at all. It's far from dead.
Punks not Dead !! it went back into the Underground scene !!
punk isn't dead. it just goes to bed at a more reasonable hour.
Very well said. Punk parents now.
- Henry Rollins
grandparents even, in some cases
Jeremy Eutis I relate to this so hard
Old punkers dont die, we just stand in the back
“The Offspring really isn’t skate punk”
Lol Smash is like the skate punk anthem album I can’t even count how many skate compilations and home video skate compilations were to that album
Yeah and its perfect for any extreme sport.. and Smash is one of the greatest albums ever including any genre
@Emily Von Spears I was 11 when it came out and it changed my life, nothing gives me more 90s nostalgia than this album!
Hahaha yeah he sounded dumb af saying that.
Nah dude I’ve skated so much to Offspring’s first album, it’s honestly the only album I like by them.
@@akman1947was that the album before smash ?
I'm 16 and, thanks to my dad, I'm listening to this great type of music. Punk isn't dead!
One critical thing you missed in this discussion: The Warped Tour. That was huge for getting these bands to people who didn't live in California.
Ah good point! It came a bit late but it was big
Warped is kinda gay though. I went to warped 2011 and it was the lamest concert I went to. 30h3!, Asking Alexandria, BVB and other affiliates.. Worst day ever. Maybe it was once good, but not in the past 8 years.
@@cayliefuller7668 I think Dave means The Warped Tour back in the mid to late 90s. Back then the majority of the bands were still bands like The Offspring, Blink 182, Sublime (before Brad passed), Lagwagon etc. The early 2000s introduced more of the metalcore, emo, post hardcore bands which eventually overtook the tour and dragged it straight to hell. But, hey, it was invented for tweens, teens and young adults and that's what those people were into at the time. Can't blame them for trying to innovate.
Also, another thing to note that was missed: surf videos. As was mentioned in One Nine Nine Four, surf videos were packed with bands like Lagwagon and Pennywise and that was a good way to market those bands to kids in Minnesota and Kansas. Without that kind of initial exposure, the Warped Tour may have still been invented, but it probably would've stayed in California, maybe venturing out to the rest of the West Coast over time.
Dave Messenheimer so true
Can’t wait till 2020 for “What killed SoundCloud Rap?”
"Hey how's it goin, so a lot of you have been wondering "What killed SoundCloud Rap" so I thought I'd do a video on that.
Xanax.
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@@hamupinhere Also Em's new album is making people wake up to the fact it's mostly trash lol
Capnsensible80 Other than a couple fantastic, undeniably iconic music videos, I never got the Eminem hype, therefore my opinion isn't really worth all that much on his body of work. Regardless of that, yeah man I heard a few short samples off his 'Revival' record and the lyrics on some of his bars made me physically cringe while clutching my brow. I know that being goofy was a big part of his appeal, and that's fine, but this time it goes beyond even that.
fentanyl mostly.
we're still a little ways away from that conversation down here.
Punkrock was a phenomenon of its time. It fit exactly into the 90's to early 2000's. It wasn't just the music, it was a complete lifestyle. All people were somehow friends, you had simply found your place in the world. The scene back then was just awesome❤
I don't think there's anything like that so often in the history of music, but maybe I'm just not objective😅
I always loved the way NOFX did their vocal harmonies and the way they sounded alongside the guitar and bass melodies. That was a huge part of their unique sound.
They would have one singer singing a line using the same note for every word and another guy singing the same line but using several notes. I always thought that sounded awesome.
"#4: The Decline" perfect unintended reference to the greatest 18 minute punk song of all time.
Nick Rosing the decline is a glorious ode to entropy in America lol glorious
That's right!
@Dick Geet Those bands didn't start out like that , not even green day , I don't know I guess if you didn't experiance what he means by "Everything Changed" you really can't imagine the culteral shift that took place in the 's all starting with the downing of the berlin wall in 1989 ... The 90s were what the future was supposed to be like and then .. Boom Sept 11 .. Then everything changed again
How many 18-minute punk songs are there to compete for such a distinction anyway? Haha
Best song to play at a bar, especially the further into "the country" you go.
I feel a slight disagreement with Blink 182's role in this. In my opinion and certainly over here in the UK, they got a new generation of kids into Skate Punk and the scene was slightly revitalised by their popularity, as well as at the same time napster and filesharing was kicking off allowing many people (me included) to download every single punk album we could get our hands on. Everyone I knew into blink 182 was also into nofx and lagwagon. The real death of skatepunk I feel was with the emergence of emo, which kinda took pop punk with it too. And even Blink 182 started to sound much more serious. Things shifted from fun and goofy to sad and whiney very quickly.
There is the “european 5 year delay rule”!
I did not expect to see you here
Dude, is this the real David Firth? Huge fan. Fat-Pie being one of the few video sites not blocked at my high school made those four years so much more bearable.
Oh shit!
Bruh this the same loc that wrote salad fingers
Growing up in Italy remember I went from having long hair, a leather jacket and a flat "ironing-board" skate board in the early 90's when I was listening to Iron Maiden and Metallica ...then Rage Against The Machine, Green Day, Vandals, The Offspring, NOFX, LagWagon, Pennywise and such in the mid nineties when I cut my hair, wore sagging shorts, t-shirt, wallet chain and airwalks and was riding a double tip skateboard... after that, in the late 90's, I was introduced to old school punk such as The Exploited, Total Chaos, The Clash, Angelic Upstarts: no more skateboarding, 7 inch mohawk, chains and studs everywhere and lots of beer... early 2000's I moved onto Ska-P, Woodoo Glow Skulls, Rancid and so forth and went back to skating a small microbard, but by that time, still listening to all the bands from before, I had moved onto Reggae Dancehall, Drum and Bass, Asian Dub Foundation and groups of the kind and had a dreadlock mohawk... now I am in my late thirties and really enjoy listening to all sorts of punk music although I kind of gave up the punk dress code. Definitely gave up skating since I broke my elbow falling from my skateboard... check out the new wave of Chinese Punk, they appear to have that energy that has gone missing in the West... we have our freedom now, they are still fighting to say what they think
Two things happened in the early 2000s that led to skate punks demise. First thing is most of these bands best albums had already been released, so they had nowhere to go but down. That kind of opened to door for the hardcore and metalcore bands to gain steam. The second thing is with eminem and 50cent getting huge many suburban kids were getting more interested in rap than underground rock or punk rock. Nothing lasts forever but seeing these bands live as a teen was awesome, and this was before the whole "scene kid" thing.
Tony hawks pro skater games were so much fun! Sometimes I would just listen to the soundtrack. They helped me expand my musical taste.
number 2
number 1
doesnt matter after......
Fucking oath 🤘
So here I am, doing everything I can Holding on to what I am Pretending I'm a supermaaaaannn.
I’m remember thinking less than jake should have been on the soundtrack when playing the first one. they didn’t get a track by them until the 3rd or 4th.
Got me into punk, ended up seeing goldfinger sixteen times during the early naughties ha.
I'm 37. I went to see NOFX and Offspring live Yesterday!!! I felt 14 years old in 1996 again. It was GREAT!!!
I'm a trained musician. I went to a jazz school, played in many bands in almost every style of music but still punk rock is my musical 1st love. It holds a special place un my heart in particuliar NOFX which is my favorite band ever.
The songs on punk un drublic still have the same impact on me since the first I heard them. I actually started playing guitar to be in a punk band. I wish I could find good musicians in my area to start a punk-rock band again. But no musicians I know that were into punk-rock in their teens want to do that... Still I think NOFX, Pennywise, Rancid, Goldfinger and Millencollin put out very good songs. The songwriting was very good. Hard to top that...
Lowrenz Dude, everything you said ❤️. I identify with all of it.
Where do live, man? I'll start a band with you if have a good drummer!
I can relate a lot to this. Cheers! 🍻
Beautifully written
Your issue with starting a band is that you were looking for 'good' musicians 🤣🤣
I'm 14 and I listen to skatepunk everyday... it hasn't quite passed away yet
Will never die!!!! I'm 16 and I advice you to listen to scooped up.
I'm 22 and believe me there are many of us
Kinda gives me hope to know there’s other kids that like good music. Let’s party where y’all live
I loved guttermouth lol. The tracks they had in Think - Damage fit perfectly, and that album (friendly people) was pretty solid for being goofy with the lyrics. I think they deserve more credit
Totally agree, while the 14 yo comment wasn't completely offbase, they're not "objectively bad". Guttermouth was a fine band.
I grew up with NOFX, Lagwagon, Pennywise, Bad Religion, The Offspring, Green Day, Millencolin, No Use For A Name, No Fun At All. Good times, great music. 90's forever! :)
Dude, No use for a name was such a great band.
Dude me too! Strung Out is one of my favorite bands next to A Wilhelm Scream!
Millencolin! I freaking loved Swedish skate punk. Burning Heart Records forever!
@@SeaToSkyImages I still love Swedish skate punk, especially Millencolin and No Fun At All. :)
Same here, loves all those bands. I still listen to many of them. I guess it’s my age and the time I was into those bands (college), but to me it’s like classic rock.
Yo, what about Descendants? I feel like they were a big contributor to skate punk as well
Sure - I can't list every band
The Punk Rock MBA Can't list every band? There would be NO "list" of these bands PERIOD if not for the Descendents. They literally spawned the entire skate punk genre. They did it better as well. The rest of these bands are little more than pale imitations. I mean no disrespect but c'mon. A little research goes a long way!
Couldn't agree more with this, major ommision
Bad Religion + the Descendents = skate punk
Thearcheing2 Descentes are fake punk at all
You’re videos are amazing I am currently binge watching them all. I’m always branching out to new music and by stumbling upon your channel I feel like I have hit the motherload. You clearly put a lot of work into these videos and I appreciate it.
Thank you!
Just found your channel yesterday and have watched over 50 videos! Great content! And love that you actually communicate with your subscribers
Thank you!
I'm thirteen years old, and I was introduced to skate punk (Lagwagon, NOFX, Pennywise, Pridebowl, Millencolin, No Fun at All, etc...) at a very young age by my dad. I love it, and it's the only kind of music I really enjoy listening to. I believe that I'm the only person in my school who knows any one of those bands. A shame, really.
ROLLED Bad Religion, Fugazi, Screeching Weasel, Minor Threat and Cursive are among my favorites and I’m 15 years old. I also think I’m the only one who listens to these songs at my school. It’s not EMO it’s just a genre of music that I really enjoy. It’s also great skate music but that’s obvious.
@@LankyWx Im 21 and when I was your age I discovered these bands as well. I think it's really cool that these bands are still getting recognized by the youth and I think that just shows how influential these bands really are. I'm now in college for music production and Ive learned so much from these bands in terms of performing and just writing songs in general, so keep listening!
Thank ur dad!
Check out this playlist if you're interested in that style of skate punk: czcams.com/play/PLXIl6OgGnQtkc8QiqO62fgS4qA_xAJpQb.html
Same, I was always in the car with my dad, my mom rarely drove around, so that’s what I grew up listening to. I also listen to other kinds of music by gorillaz, weezer, and nerf herder.
1880s beards and 1980s Miami Vice fashion made a comeback. It's definitely possible.
Valid point lol
Yo, mullets are back too
I am 40 and I really enjoyed this video. It made me feel a lot of things including sad to see the scene die. I love Guttermouth, The Vandals, Bad Religion, and many of the others mentioned.
What about the '80s? Suicidal Tendencies was the greatest Skate Punk band ever. Jim Muir (Mike Muir's older brother) was a Z Boy and started Dog Town. Steve Caballero wore Misfits shirts way before most people had ever heard of them. Caballero has also been in a few Punk bands.
HUNTINGTON BEACH CALIFORNIA
Even though i associate BR with Skate Punk, ST and JFA (who was mentioned) were actually the first bands i thought about here when discussing the birth of Skate Punk- and BR's one of my favorite bands. i was surprised ST weren't mentioned in that section.
I think Agent Orange deserved a mention. Their first Album was a true surf skate punk album.
Failure to mention Agent Orange suggests homeboy isn't the expert he makes himself out to be. It's like discussing rockabilly without mentioning Carl Perkins. Revise and resubmit.
agent orange pretty much invented surf/skate punk before the 70s were even over
Exactly. Not even bothering with the rest of the video if Agent Orange is missing.
@@AveragePicker Was a bit curious myself as to why they never got a mention when they were such a huge influence on the scene, starting in 1979!
Gilbert, my only guess is having relied more on personal experience and less on actual research. ....though even on a person level I’m not sure how someone could be in the skate punk scene and miss Agent Orange. Sure you might hear Bad Religion, or Pennywise first but to not encounter Agent Orange seems like a small music circle.
...though seeing so many comments and stuff referring to blink being punk leaves the whole thing as tasting like mainstream pop centered.
And you missed the Swedish skate punk, Millencolin, No fun at all and Satanic Surfers are the best bands ;v
Didn't miss them - they were fine bands but ultimately just riffing on what the Americans did
Sloppy Seconds, Snuff/Guns and Wankers, and to a lesser extent Screeching Weasel don't really get enough said about them. Also I think a mention of The Queers and Dead Milkmen would have been nice as I always associate those two with the Vandals.
Descendents too. They are older than any of these bands but cool aswell.
yess!!! Adhesice and
Millencolin
SATNAIC SURFERsssssss
Holy shit, I'm three years late to the party but I just want to say, well done! This is easily the best (and only) mini doc on skatepunk I've ever seen. Coming from a person who was pretty involved in the scene, particularly the Fat crew, I can say that you pretty much nailed everything.
The only difference is that three years on, there are some new bands beginning to make a dent. Nothing in the chart topping realms of yesteryear but skate punk is definitely on the rise, particularly with female skate punk bands (Bad Cop/Bad Cop, Bombpops, The Last Gang) and while more of a straight ahead pop punk album, the New Machine Gun Kelly album sold a LOT of units and was primarily written by Nick Long, a Santa Barbara skate punk scene OG.
Give it another 4 or 5 years and I think we'll see something similar to if not quite exactly the same ride a wave of nostalgia to the top of the charts.
Thanks man!
The absolute best skatepunk band was, for my opinion, Satanic Surfers from sweden! They sounded, or sound, like nothing else. Also Millencolin's life on a plate is a skatepunk masterpiece 🤘
I love Hero Of Our Time it’s such a great straight ahead skate punk album
Since we're talking about Swedish bands, I would add No Fun at All.
Dude, that’s crazy, u literally said exactly how I got into ‘90s punk, started with Green Day and Offspring, and moved to NoFx and Bad Religion, it’s like u got in my head or something, I guess a lot of ‘90s kids did the same thing, definitely more then I remember, nun of my friends were into it like I was, but I guess I wasn’t alone, just nobody around me liked it. Great videos btw! Love the channel!!
Thanks man, appreciate the support!
I basically listened to whatever was on the radio until I heard Sublime. I loved their punk tracks and Bad Religion and Descendents covers and I just wanted more. Thats what got me into punk. Now mostly all I listen to is punk and 1st/2nd wave ska...other than Sublime I really didn't care for any of the 3rd wave ska bands that dominated the mid-late 90s (No Doubt, Reel Big Fish, Mighty Mighty Bosstones etc.)
i have this same feeling - nobody into it like me... was a bit off of it for a while and then got back into it (as a grown man) and now it's an even stronger feeling that i'm the only one into this genre. Every now and then people ask me to select music or just what do i like and i always have try to explain what it is or just say that nobody likes my kind of music :) I guess we are scattered... I'm in Portugal, married with a kid (who i share the music with)
My path was more like Alkaline trio (the first band that got me into pop/skate punk) then NOFX and offspring, then green day and blink 182
EVERYBODY was listening to Green Day and Offspring circa 94 or 95. I was really into the Offspring by 1996, it was my favourite band. Of course there was more variety, I liked a lot a local band that did basically rap-metal and was very outrageous, but the Offspring, the Offspring was like a cult following. By 2000 I was really unimpressed with Conspiracy of One, where I think the real decline began, but I still bought religiously Ixnay and Americana (this one almost day one...)
I feel so small now that you summed up my entire adolescence
Just saw Pennywise and Rancid last night and I was the 40 year old wearing airwalks with shorts and a tshirt that was mentioned at the end of the video. Great show. Im dead today tho
John Giles I went to the philly show. Only saw rancid. Still great. And saw bad religion 2 days later. Still amazing.
@John Giles Just saw Pennywise two weeks ago, almost died in the pit from exhaustion, I did have the flu though first punk show ever with a 102 temp! Still threw up in front of a cop and didn’t even drink🤘🏼
@@jonathanbellomy1039 Now that's Punk! \m/
Crazy how the skate punk boom was in its dying years 20 years ago, feels like it was just yesterday that I was hunting for Bad Religion records lol. And I LOVED the Punk-O-Rama compilations!
Unpopular opinion: While some of Nofx's later albums are a bit underwhelming, 2003's "The War on Errorism" and 2006's "Wolves in Wolves Clothing" are absolute classics and their 2016 album "First Ditch Effort" is my personal favorite of their discography besides maybe The Decline single.
imo heavy petting zoo and pump up the valuum are the only underwhelming nofx albums and even those are worth listening to. war on errorism is a masterpiece, and i really liked self entitled
War on Errorism is perfection imo. It's the essential NoFX record imo.
Both of those albums are my favorite tbh, and I've been a fan since I was in like middle school.
Certainly can't play those albums on the radio...
Nofx was fucking incredible.
They're still fucking incredible.
Nowadays, they put out more shitty, samey sounding songs, but when they hit it square, they write better songs than they ever did back in the day.
I'm 42 years old now and I will NEVER stop listening to the greatest music ever :)
Punk Rock will never die!!!
R.I.P. Tony Sly
Same here
Tony Sly always gets an upvote
No use for a name has so many really great songs and lyrics
OMG Sam Goody!!! This video was super nostalgic and I enjoyed the crap out of it. Idk how I started, but I'm currently on a spiral of all your old videos I've never watched (since I'm a new-ish fan, I'm catching up) and this video kills it. Thanks my man!!
Thank you!
I'm loving these videos! Are we ever getting a video on folk punk? I think as far as punk conversations go it's left out a lot, and I'd love to learn more of the history.
Never Forget Tony Sly
I saw him do an acoustic set in 2010 opening up for TBR and NOFX.
brandon veach yeah me too. I almost fell asleep
realsouthshitandfuckyallifitaint Yep I was there man. Saw them all over on that tour. RIP Tony.
"RIP Skacore" Too true, man. Would love to see you talk about the evolution of ska from the easy going, chill tracks from Jamaica to the crazy, in-your-face stuff that came from bands like Choking Victim.
TSTAB YES! Especially because it's starting to make a little comeback rn with the documentary coming out soon and all
Crazy how different the scenes were between the coasts. In the Southeast, most punks were into Propaghandi and Pennywise probably more than NOFX. My circle was BIG into NOFX but we were odd ones out. Also, I noticed you didn't mention The Queers. They were absolutely huge here. Great video. I really enjoy your analysis
I''m 41 and I still go to see NOFX, Descendents, Bad Religion, Pennywise, The Vandals, Guttermouth, & even The Offspring....all while wearing my Dickies & Doc Martins ;-) . NOFX is my #1 favorite band and I've seen them live many times, the shows are wicked fun and hella funny . Guttermouth was one of my all time favorite shows in a tiny bar on the way to Lake Tahoe....the lead singer jumped in the pit with us and had fans sing a few of the songs. And yeah, my oldest daughter has a drivers license.....but I can afford to go to shows now...unlike when I was 16.
Also, your choice of using "The Decline" for the last bullet point is pretty funny.......the absolute best NOFX song...evah.
I listen to NOFX every day still
Fat Mike is kinda of an Asshole, and its great
Hahah i love when people say nofx is good punk
Me too bro but check out some ny hardcore
Skatebuzz what do you consider good?
@@fentanelfloyd8383 rudimentary peni, agression, dri, detox, jfa, dr know stuff like that
"Offspring not a legit punk band like Greenday was" Excuse me?
I thought that aswell. I would definatly classify early offspring as punk, Jennifer Lost The War is a banger. Can't say much about the newer stuff though.
I know right.
Dude says he hates gatekeeping then proceeds to gatekeep several times in the video.
Dirty Magic, great early tune
@@legendash yeah grungy punk... great song. I like the newer version as well and they do an unplugged version thats better than the new version
Never stop learning like I do with this channel. Thank you.
Strung Out is a band I didnt really listen to much until like 5 years ago. And I feel bad for that, I missed out in a lot. Now they're one of my all time fav bands, so glad you mentioned them in this how you did.
This doesn't even seem like that long ago. But yeah, that was definitely like 20 years ago. Ugh, getting old sucks.
Lagwagon is about the only one I can still put on and purely enjoy without relying on a sense of nostalgia.
Time and the world changed so fast, if we only knew. If only all our friends from back then were still around.
Time doesn’t seem to move until someone mentions a movie or album that came out 20 odd years ago and you say...fuck I remember that being fresh and new lol
Way too young to have ever been into these bands at their peak, but via THPS/THUG this was a big part of what made me get into music as a kid. Love the balance of history, personal anecdotes and analysis in these vids!!
Thanks man!
Dude really dig your videos I use them more to find more music hahaha cause I missed out on a lot of good music growing up, my friends sucked ass and I just heard RKL for the first time ever and I'm 38.
Thanks dude, I'll be taking notes from now on.
Just wanna say love the fucking channel bro! I love your foward thinking abd introspection, its very refreshing...Remeber that Fat Mike does own Fat Wreck, which has signed a lot of excellent bands and given them a chance, so even though at times Mike might have a Gatekeeper type attitude, he has also helped many new and upcoming bands as well as a lot of bands that had been a part of the scene for awhile gain a bigger audience...which im sure you know but I just want to be fair! keep it coming with the great content and I think doing an episode on The Vandals would be great content for your channel! Thank you again for the fresh air! Andy.
Operation Ivy, anyone, anyone...?
Op Ivy and Wu Tang, and Snapcase...that's what i skated to.
@@deadpaddyoriordan8146 fuck yeah to all three.
@@deadpaddyoriordan8146 Do we know each other lol. Sounds like me and all my old Florida buddies.
Sound System?
I listen to opivy at least once a week at work. The only real joy of cooking in a restaurant is playing old school jams
No mention of millencollin?
Cant mention every band and they didnt really do anything distinctive in my personal opinion
I mean they had a song on the first Tony hawk video game. That's pretty distinctive if we're talking about skate punk.
Thps 2. My bad.
Well technically he did kinda mention Millencollin, when he mentioned the surge of clones and copycats that muddied and eventually exhausted the genre. So yeah....that's where Millencollin fits into skate punk. They came too late to be individually singled out. Definitely not pioneers.
@@pekerhed101 tbf don't see why lagwagon would deserve a mention over Millencollin in that department, they both kind of fit the bill.
I'm so so glad you mentioned Strung Out and still their best album, Twisted By Design and Unwritten Law. The self titled is also a banger.
You do such a great job with all these videos!
The sampler CDs were the shit man. I remember buying Punk o Ramas 1-6, Fat Music for Fat People, discovering so many bands. I miss those days too tbh
Survival of the fattest and physical fatness too!
Short Songs For Short Attention Spans was a fun concept for the samplers back then too.
I bought Fat Music for Fat People for $2 at a Nofx show and it was the best $2 I ever spent.
..wish Fat Free Radio hadn't gone belly up.
@@fireinthehead4280 i loved the cover of California Dreamin on Survival of The Fattest..
Agent Orange is the best skate punk band. A lot of people say surf punk, but they were the true start of skate punk
Yes... surprised not mentioned too
Kinda hard to call them the best when they only really had 1 album, it was a good album though..
Because Agent Orange came out of the early 80's
The skating in that video on world gone mad is fucking rad, that and possessed to skate
@@ninjaisland007 They had 3 and the first two were amazing. The third was good.
Skate rock (punk) started in the late 70d early 80s in So Cal. Some of the bands were comprised of skaters (Faction, Tales of Terror, Code of Honor, Los Olvidados, Agent Orange, The Big Boys, JFA, Drunk Injuns, etc).
Saw Agent Orange at the Farm in SF 85.
Damn, how did it take me so long to see this episode. This is my generation! Growing up skating in 80's and 90's and still going to these shows (well, before covid) all the time! Skatepunker's are still here, we just take longer to recover from the pit nowadays 😆 44 and cannot wait for live punk shows to be back...
Man you literally described my teens in the 90's! Some of the best times of my life!
BUT YOU FORGOT MILLENCOLIN AND GOOD RIDDANCE!!!
Didn't say Anything about GOOD RIDDANCE...remake whole video now.
@@THUGBOAT831 good riddance is hardcore punk but cause they’re west coast band they got in with that scene
Skaters shifted their musical tastes to hip hop. Even skate videos were overrun with it.
I guess nu-metal didnt help in that regard (limp bizkit, linkin park, etc)
This .,,, Wu Tang was big with skaters around this time and led alot of suburban kids with time on their hands into hip hop and he urban beat styles ..sampling
Yeah but they're completely different genres.. why not enjoy both? They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
It would be be cool to do a video “what killed ska”. That was huge for me growing up in the 90s. (There’s a Ska easycore band named Kids Can’t fly that is VERY underrated. From like 2010-2012).
Anyways, just heard of this channel a week ago. And has easily become one of my favorite YT channels. I’ve Ben watching every video. Everything I needed. Keep up the good work.
For me the most essential skate punk albums in early 90's were NOFX - Punk in drublic, Lag Wagon - Duh, and Propagandhi - How to clean... I listened those soooo much back then and those are the only LP's from that genre I still, at the age of 44, listen to occasionally.
Am I the only one missing Goldfinger, Less Than Jake and also Descendents? Good bands! Nice review! keep it up!
You are not! But you could argue that they bridged over in to Ska-Punk. They are still kicking it and better than ever too!
@@jamesfurz7406 you are absolutely right. They are kinda in-between ska punk and skatepunk. They do both genres pretty well and yes, they're still kicking ass today! :D
Goldfinger is easily one of my top 5 fave bands, all time. Grew up listening to 'em, probably gonna die listening to 'em.
Right there with ya!
Millencolin was not even mentioned on this vídeo. Why?
Great job with this video. I'm 37 and I totally still listen to Skatepunk. And you are 100% correct in the current crowds at shows. I would love to see a revival of the genre, especially more of the NUFAN/Lagwagon style. Thanks for putting this out.
Appreciate the support!
Im doing a project on the evolution of music in skateboard culture and when i cant find a good article i come to these video essays. Great video
33 here, still putting on everything from The offspring, blink 182, Pennywise, Nofx, Bad religion, and so on.
In between i listen to metal, and also folky sing a song writers.
I just love music, that comes from real people.
Who remembers "punk-o-rama" at 1am at night on some random channel? Loved this era. Great time, saw bad religion, AFI (pre-black sails), Pennywise, The Vandals etc etc etc. It really started to die out when all the MTV kids were wearing the punk genre and had their Blink182 shirts and were all sudden "punk". It blurred the lines. It seemed to me the punk scene did certainly have that elitist mentality as you mentioned. The scene also sucked. Everyone was so damn angry, and if you wanted to get INTO the scene, you were a poser. If you didin't know who OPIV was you were a poser. If you didint know a friend of a friend of a friend of a guy in a punk band you were a POSER. Then to add more to this SLC punk came out, and now if you didint know everyones name in that movie you were a POSER. (At this point i started to leave the punk music scene and do my own "thing".) Everyone was a freaking poser this or poser that. I remember 12 years old in the Vandals pit and man i got knocked down SO much, but every dude there would pick me up and keep me going. It was great. Now im that 34 year old guy at punk shows, and i love seeing kids there. If it wasn't for the emotional outlet IDK what I would have become so I owe my life to punk rock ironically.
What you talked about is why I eventually turned in my proverbial punk rock badge and started dressing like I used to before skate punk. It got exhausting proving you are a certain way. I have so much more fun going to punk shows not dressed as a punk like everyone else. It's also when I stopped listening to music with my ego and liked what I liked even if it's not cool.
Fucking posers!
Jesus dude. You triggered PTSD I didn't realize I had until I read your comment. Getting called a poser was serious shit back then. Like someone got called a poser and a record skipped and the room cleared out. Shit was going down.
i loved afi before the art of drowning or black sails
@@koopatroopa187 hahaha for real man, that was worse then most insults. It questioned your dedication to the scene. It was the weirdest thing lol
Me
Every skater from that era still carries skate punk in their heart!
Not just skaters. 😉
No mate we don't. Some skaters who grew up in that era never liked that scene. It was too prescribed. Those with open minds wanted more diverse sounds.
Cartoon punk for cartoon people
@@helencross5183 i guess it depends where you come fron in that time whe as skaters didn't have more then that
Great video... I'm one of those people who got into punk through snow/skate videos when I was a teenager in the early to mid 90s. Still love the genre and have been to a couple of shows in the past 6 months. My kids aren't quite old enough to drive yet, but they're getting close. 😉 My favorite band is theline, mostly because I know/knew some of the members and they've actually put out new music recently.
I was an 'honorary roadie' for RKL when they moved to S.F. Sublime and NOFX stayed at our flat- I wouldn't trade bombing hills in S.F. during the 90s for nothing.. *A.
42. Grew up with all this music. Love Face to Face, Goldfinger, BR, NOFX, Hot Water Music, Strung Out, Unwritten Law, Pulley, NUFAN, Lagwagon, 88 Fingers Louie, MXPX, H20, Hot Water Music, Diesel Boy and so much more. Damn I miss those days so much! I still remember sitting with a group of friends (after hours in the club one of them worked at) listening to Punk In Drublic over the clubs sound system the night it released (good music, friends, drinks..so many memories). I will never forget it. Best decade of music ever imo.
had it not been for the tony hawk games I would have never gotten into bands like suicidal tendencies, dead kennedy’s, primus, anthrax etc. which led me to a bunch of others.
Unwritten Law are criminally underrated.
I got into punk back in high school with the offspring. I also remembering seeing punk cd's at certain stores, but I didn't know them, untill I was like 22 to 30, like pennywise, bad religion, nofx, mxpx, rancid, less then jake, millencolin, no use for a name, and alkaline trio. Then in 2013 at 22, I got into bad religion with true north. Then I got into pennywise, nofx, mxpx, less then jake, face to face, goldfinger, descendents, the bouncing souls, anti flag. I also found lagwagon, the casualties, millencolin, good riddance, strung out, zebrahead no use for a name, rancid, and teenage bottlerocket. I also want to get into screeching weasel, the queers, adolescents, the suicide machines, the bombops, the interrupters, the mighty mighty bosstones, creeper, propaghandai, slick shoes, pully and ten foot pole,mdc and fear.
Bad Religion is in a league of their own. Pulley is good stuff. The singer was an MLB relief pitcher and coach too. Props on the reasoning. I'm in my early thirties and a huge fan of this genre, but Black Metal as well. Perhaps the most elitist gatekeeper genre of all time.
Lol, you arent wrong on that
Wow, this was well done. Really worth watching. And it replaces about 10 terrible documentaries that were probably about to be made that now don't have to be. The only thing I would add is that the Offspring paid a tremendous amount of dues playing for nobody all over the country while no one was paying attention when that kind of music had nothing to offer. They deserve all their fame and fortune. Thank you MBA dude.
Joe E. (The Vandals)
What up Joe!
Just trollin' @@ZackRamsey14
Joe Escalante Thanks for the great tunes at Camp Punk. Love you bro.
Add this to my sentiments.
You're right Joe. I was there (starting listening to punk in 1982), and the thought of a band making it big playing punk was insane. Offspring didn't try to be rock stars with "Smash." It just happened. And it's a damn fine record.
Rancid, and out come the wolves. The only album not mentioned that really committed my taste to this kind of music. Great video.
I love your content, I have been always meaning to ask you... what are your thoughts on Snot? Lynn left us too soon and before I feel they were going to be huge...
1997 dude ranch which I know a lot of people might laugh at but that album is what influenced me.
NES ADDICT fuck you!
Total opposite for me I was a straight up fat wreck chords kid then I Heard dude ranch and was like this album will be playing at my funeral and anything on drive-thru records was straight up all killer no filler and it has been that way ever since and probably won't change
I always get shit for saying Dude Ranch was a fucking solid album.
So good!!!!
Blink got me into skate punk first then face to face. I saw Blink and Face to Face at Soma in San Diego in 95 before the Blink 182. I loved Dude Ranch and every one clowned me back then cause people thought they were too hard core.
it's dead? i still listen to this. but then again i'm 37, rancid and pennywise in worcester this sept!!!!
I got you beat...I'm 65!
shaolinlueb I was at the show too! It was awesome
I was there ... I brought my husband it was his first concert since the original Woodstock 😂😂😂 I had to expose him to SUICIDAL!!!! Such a great show ☠️
i havent met anyone my age who likes to listen to skate punk but its gonna have a comeback during the 2020s just watch
@@brujo915 same im like 14
Propagandhi’s “How to Clean Everything” is a big reason we got “Punk in Drublic” in the first place. The influence is undeniable when you compare NOFX’s sound on WTTHAAB to their Drublic sound. Which makes Propagandhi’s mark on 90’s punk severely underrated. I’m glad you threw RKL in there; they don’t get nearly enough credit. As far as a sound like this coming back… I’m afraid that, if it did, it would be very neutered. It would be “Let’s Talk About Feelings” .. only with the subtitle “(And Ignore Reality Completely).” Real punk would have a lot of today’s kids scouring the landscape for safe spaces.
Hey I dig your channel for sure! I gotta a laugh in one of your videos recently where u mention Everett. I think we r pretty close to the same age. I was 13-14 in 92 and loving all these bands. I wanted to mention a 90's skate punk band I didnt discover until 2011 that I absolutely LOVE and still listen to all the time. Backside. They are super rad and any one digging the bands you mention will dig them. Start with Backside No Today. Also a band I loved in the 90's who I'm not sure are that well known but should be are 30 Foot Fall. I had Acme 143 on repeat back in 97. Someone needs to put up all their albums. I bet you were probably at the Good Riddance,MDC show this past November. I think I saw them in this video but didnt hear their music. Huh? Love your channel man! Keep em coming!
Yep we are the same age i think! Everett still sucks lol
I think the general public diverted toward Blink after Dude Ranch because it was MORE than just "pop punk" music. Mark and Tom created this care-free punk culture that knew it didn't take itself too seriously. Of course they were marketed better, and they may have ripped off acts like NOFX, Less Than Jake and Lagwagon with their stage banter, but their image was HAPPIER and more fun to me.
Your last video clip of them playing on the beach made me wish I could be like that, playing that music and not taking myself too seriously (like they made you feel). It wasn't as underground and dirty as the original "punk rock" culture (I guess more oi punk) about trying hard to be rebellious and doing drugs, etc. It was simple enough music as well that made everyone want to start a band. As everyone started to jump on the Blink bandwagon in the early 2000's, I steered towards other bands that I felt needed more recognition. Blink will always hold a special place in my heart though.
Well said! Exactly what I was trying to get it across but you said it better than i did lol
Yeah, I have a soft spot for Blink and will defend them from being put in the category of shit bands like Good Charlotte and the like which were obviously just overproduced radio friendly unit shifters. Blink had a genuine punk rock background, as in they knew the roots and skate culture. It's just hard not to be a happy girl crazy kid growing up in So Cal. It would have been fake of them to make songs about anything other than sophomoric boy humor growing up in the suburban teenage paradise or San Diego county.
@@PDXMILO have you watched The Pursuit of Tone with Tom DeLonge? It gets me right in the feels. MAX NOSTALGIA.
Yes, Blink has punk roots but I have mixed feelings about them. Once upon a time, they could well be considered punk. In a way what happened to them was similar to what happened to The Offspring... but they were different generations and all. They seem to have acknowledged that punk was no longer popular, sit back and thought a little, and said: "we're gonna keep it up no matter what". And they did.
@@mickmars8319 I'll agree with this, but excepting their last album, I cant think of any other punk band that achieved anywhere near their success and didnt end up sucking significantly worse. Even including their latest abortion, they still havnt sunk anywhere near as low as pretty much every other punk band, with the possible exception of Rancid, thats hit that level of success. Not a Blink fan, but I do give them some credit for that.
Descendants
MxPx
Goldfinger
Rancid
Millencolin
?????
Solid video though, and big props for RKL.
mxpx come on those were the posers of this era imo, rancid is more ska than anything, millencollin was good but nowehre as good as nofx,lag wagon, pennywise, bad religion
Hell Yes
RKL rips it up...RIP Jason
Rancid definitely not skate-punk mate ;)
If not rancid than at least op ivy. Even though they’re more ska punk. I think they at least deserve an honorable mention considering the many, many, many times I’ve skated to they’re one album.
Thanks for the great content!
Hey man, great content. I don't listen to a lot of punk as of now but I remember begin high on skatepunk when I was in Uni. I would also like to mention Big Boys, the first band that seemed to realte the skate and punk cultures. Should count to the fromation of skatepunk right?
Great video from a 33 year old skate punk guy who cant let go lol. Spot on about pulley, no use, strung out and may I add millioncollin
I'm also a 33 year old Skate Punk fan and yeah Millencolin should have had a mention in this vid. Plus Tony Hawk's skateboarding games which had the music of these bands.
There was also a weird crossover into 90s Ska Revival where skate or pop punk bands added brass sections which I thought he would have touched on. For example, this coming week I'm going to see Reel Big Fish and Less Than Jake play together...
I'm 35 and I'm not even a punk boy anymore, but I remember the good old times and this was some interesting background to have. For me punk is all about energy and might and it's really good motivation for your life. I don't like "tupatupa" drum sound that much anymore, but it was a nice chapter of my life. Without these bands I wouldn't have cared nearly as much for music.
@@NRD1985 right on man. I saw LTJ 3 times last year. They still put on a hell of a show. So does new found glory if you dig them. They are one of my top 5 to see these days. They crush it.
Mike Kristin I've always got time for LTJ. Plus Goldfinger, The King Blues, Leftover Crack, Lagwagon, NOFX, Sonic Boom Six, Propagandhi - they get my money for tickets and new records every time.
@@NRD1985 there are a couple there I haven't heard of going to check them out for sure. If you have never see bayside or menzingers live I'd put it on my list if you see them come through. Definitely a newer sound but some killer guitar work in bayside (walking wounded is my favorite album. Menzingers is just good Americana style punk rock
Watching this in my Dickies shorts, with the same chain wallet I've had since I was 18. Good watch.
Perfect lol
Me too, and I'm 56! lol
Robbles Meaks is this Rob from punknews?
You can't go wrong with ankle length Dickies!
Time to grow up mate
that latest Lagwagon record is so sick! skatepunk is here to stay! lol. in all seriousness, I really enjoyed the video. Im that 38 year that just saw Lagwagon and Face to face play a couple of weeks ago. still skates and still loves everything skatepunk. good video, 5 stars!
Hey Finn just found your channel and I love it!! I'm a huge boomer punk lmao! Hey I was wondering do u have a video covering psychobilly yet?
Most of what you're calling "Skate Punk" is what most of us old guys blame for killing real punk. Not that the talent wasn't there but the attitude and aggression was way out the door. Great video though.
"Real" punk never died. Those bands wanted to stay underground and they did. It's just that maybe, the big famous names attracted people to the less known bands, especially over time.
That said, most people aren't really into messy DIY noise. But hey, now after all these years I think that everybody can listen to anything interchangeably, it's no crime. That's why the "real" word irks me a bit.
You could also say that in no time, a kid that was listening to the big bands could develop a real hatred of them, tapping instead into the "truer" bands that were less known. But anyway, punk, and hardcore, was a big thing from 1994 to around 2005. It was just under the spotlight.
Also about the "attitude and aggression", an Italian pop singer said it in one of his songs: "you can't sing about rage stuffed in millions." If your life is pleasant and easy peasy, about what struggle are you gonna sing?
As an 80's skate punk, I always felt like the older guys kinda made sure we knew that you guys felt that way.
This seems like a false dichotomy. I don’t think “real punk” is any more dead than it was. The 90s stuff wasn’t that different from the 70s and 80s. Sure it got some radio play for a very brief amount of time but it quickly went back underground.
Yeah, just mentioned bands like Motards and Jack Saints in the comments. Good old raw and dirty punk and barely anyone ever heard of them.
Skiba, yeah it was different. The 90s had some alright stuff but it was quite different than late 70s and early 80s punk.
Still blasting skate punk and still blasting pop punk great bands out there old and new! Rad video man!
Thanks for watching!
Yup yup... That's what most of collection consist of.
being born at the start of the century and having my dad be the founder of a punk zine. i grew up with him blasting music around the house he was sampling all the time. It was great music, got me into all sorts of punk and metal. Only downside as of being 19 years old is that no one my age listens to this anymore really.....
I always thought that part of the issue is that skate punk had a relatively short heyday before the rise of pop punk, post-hardcore, emo, and other genres, to the point where a lot of people unfamiliar with punk rock confuse it with those. I hear lots of people complain about skate punk while listing bands and artists that have literally nothing to do with it
I think the shift in whats cool to skateboarders musicwise is also a factor to why the genre died. Skaters nowdays are more into hip hop like odd future vs back in the 90s were alot of skaters were into skatepunk.
Whatthefuck...not even a nod to Agent Orange? They were quite literally playing live at the edge of Upland bowls and had a board on Vision.
I was about to mention Agent Orange as well.
I know right? This youtuber forget to mention Agent Orange, Suicidal Tendencies, and JFA >.>
I do wanna look up the other mentions though on this video.
Lol yeah you’d think the band with 23 albums, several gold records, first skate punk band on mtv, set a dress and style trend, and that Pennywise cited as a major influence would have been mentioned. ...oh well...I wonder if mike ever got his Pepsi...I’d check but I’m too possessed to skate atm.
Agent Orange is a bad ass band. Saw them twice
Hey Finn dude recently discovered your channle watched a bunch of your videos love your vibe also really cool that there are like minded peeps out there who love this music. Stay awsone
Thanks man!