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if Star was able to do that you would figure none of their guys would've failed the sound test
With a GET ecu and WiFi comm device it takes like 15 seconds to connect a cell phone and like another 3 seconds to upload a new map. I’m sure a lot of the teams are using this trick not just star
Good point
Having a failed test now & then would make it appear that they are not doing it. They probably are doing it.
@@weswilliams4661yeah for sure, if the rumor is that star can do it anyone can
You gotta have a fall guy dude! You think they’re gonna let “Danger Boy” fail the sound test?!😂 cmon man
When I was a mechanic, loud bikes were down on power. That is why shops sold silencer repacking kits every day.
It's not a concern of open pipes. He's talking about a tune. Which yeah tunes can make a bike louder and more powerful or loud and less powerful vice versa etc etc
sound is just potential chemical energy that is being transfered someplace thats not the rear wheel.
The Yami's are notoriously loud , everybody knows that . They certainly don't seem to have any advantage over other bikes on the track , Honda's and Kawi's usually end up getting the hole shots anyway . What makes the Deeg's different is he's a lunatic and rides "Balls to the wall" when others are not that crazy . Look at all the other Star guys , they always end up finishing way in the back.
Deegs is willing to take a nap on the track for sure!! He’s a bad bad dude!
@@baby-sharkgto4902did u not watch the race? He is constantly focused at 1st no matter what and sends everything
Bingo
I’m confused… so Star “may” have the ability to adjust their bikes to pass sound testing.. BUT.. they decided not to adjust for Smith & Anste so they pass the test?! Mmmm… interesting..
Good point
Yeah, it wouldn’t look suspicious that all their bikes wouldn’t run at sound test. Ok, makes a lot if since. 😂😂 Deegan already got caught with a cheater bike once. Using a bike that cost over $100,000 in the amateur races. I know it didn’t help that’s why they do it.
You can see with the naked eye why Haiden is dominating. He's keeping it wtfo..and has the conditioning to do it all moto.
Shouldn’t be sound test in outdoor motocross period. Supercross yes MX no.
That's why 2 strokes are king.
Clearly you've never been on a track with someone with a 110+ db bike, it's ridiculous bro
Hundreds? of local type tracks have been closed due to sound issues. 4 Strokes can be heard miles away.
@thedude7726 even when 2 stroke were king???
If i was racing Haiden and getting my ass kicked on a wedkly basis I would be looking for excuses also. That sounds way better than I just cant keep up with him.
Right, the rules don't matter...
@MrIke303 What wouldn't you believe?
Exactly.. never heard anything about this shit last year with Jett dominating.
😂😂
And what wouldn’t you deegan haters believe to try and discredit what he’s doing? And if one factory team is doing it, they are all doing it.
Why has our country become so soft that we are checking sound for an outdoor race😂 no dam sound checks at a drag strip!
Maybe considerations for the public
They been running sound checks for years. GPs do it also.
@@lancerambertand these same people probably have dogs that bark their ass off all the time
@@LetBrockByethis is the softness he is talking about.
@@lancerambertthose kind of people are sad. Move near a track, then complain about it. Kens and Karens. Whiners.
Nah, the dominating force is always the rider, doesn't matter if anyone has a few extra horsepower or anything else, this is a proven fact!!
Here's a fact for you , Deeg's would blow the competition away on any bike .
Then why did he switch to star..
fact is your no mind reader, but i guess you would suck Deegan off any day
@@Jimmy-io6uuthat’s like saying Jett is only winning because he switched to Honda.
@@Jimmy-io6uu They have the best training program and pay the most.
give the kid a stock bike he still will beat tom by 15
imagine seeing all the sub-par results of just about every star rider besides deegan and still trying to pretend that the bike is the difference.
These teams are beginning to get desperate because the handwriting is on the wall. From now onward and for the foreseeable future, there is going to be only one rider winning in the 250 class;
His name is DNGR.
If you think Star is gaming, look no farther than Honda HRC 450's.
The question is "are Star Racing using tech to get around the exhaust sound test? Yet all the pro Deegan fans are answering with "sound test is stupid", "stop picking on Deegan" "Deegan can win on anything" "Deegans bike is actually slower and yet he is still kicking butt". In my eyes Deegan has had 1 strike already when he made sure nobody got to claim his bike(remember that?), now 2 strikes at Southwick when somehow the bike magically couldnt start for the sound test. One more strike and I would give him a holiday so that he rethinks his life choices in MX/SX and see if its worth throwing it all away just to cheat a little.
Not to mention his off track riding, or his mysterious getting a boost of energy at the end of a race and not even breathing hard when he’s done
One of the most brain dead idiotic comments ever . Congratulations
Like Mitch said its"20% bike 80% rider"
It is 100% plausible. My 2011 Audi TDI has separate tunes for smog check and driving. It cost VW billions of dollars.
That’s Crazy but makes sense
It cost VW billions in fines🙆🏻
What if the rider is better than others. THATS NOT FAIR! Everyone has to be the same.....good lord
No kidding!! This sport gets whinier by the day at this point 😂
I seen somewhere that Chase’s dad said “my son has just past his 7th drug test this season”! Probably a subliminal to the test people to start testing everyone else the same? Dude gets drug test weekly cause he’s a machine!
He has been tested three times this year.
@@Johnny_Hopper then all the other riders need 3 tests this year aswell not just Sexton as he's clearly clean!
@defconone681 Lance Armstrong was the most test cyclist ever. Just saying.
@@troyhodulik5542 yea prob cause he won everything, what I'm saying is if Sextons been tested 3x or 10x then Jett and Hunter and other top riders should be tested the same amount!
@@defconone681 The AMASX/MX testing rules state all riders that finish on the podium get tested plus 2 randoms,(plus anyone that looks drugged out) so the riders finishing on the podium like Jett, Hunter, Chase etc are getting tested the most. Geez a lot of people on here whinge about anything.
I'm not surprised these guys aren't failing drug tests. They won't even take a sip of RedBull on the podium.
In the beginning hopper is watching unicorn academy. Watched it so long his eyes are bloodshot! Lol
If this is happening, all teams are doing it not just Star so eh🤷🏾♂️. Plus loads of people were failing sound at Southwick including privateers so idk, JT mention it might’ve been the weather or something
Dang never heard of this. Back in my days I would swap out an OEM piston with a Wiseco piston and rings, lol. Oh forgot and a different air filter
The doctors are always one step ahead of the testers. It’s how it’s always been.
Testers are always waiting for Doctors to come up with something to test on them.
the yamahas are very loud in general anyways
But very easy to make quiet for sound.
It’s how you can tell Deegan is the real deal. People can’t handle it, so the rumors and accusations fly. Well that and the fact that drama = views.
Duffe hiding in the bushes with his cell phone is funny to imagine
What's that NASCAR saying? If you ain't cheatin, you ain't trying. Not sure if that's it but something along those lines
NASCAR does not depend on the driver as much as motocross to win; cheaters are losers.
This is a HUGE stretch Johnny I mean cmon lol. So Yamaha is so much more advanced than other bikes that Yami guys are sitting there with cell phones adjusting the loudness of their bikes ? What a bunch of BS . The other bikes are capable of the exact same thing . What exactly are the Yamaha's doing that the other bikes are not doing anyway ? Nothing !!!
The only difference between the bike brands is the rider , Tom Valle's bike is more than capable of winning and so is Shimoda's , Chance Hymas's , Kitchens , Masterpools etc... the difference is one rider has the guts to twist the throttle more .
It is an issue that the series is asking the difficult question are all the teams doing this
They’re(the managers)controlling the bikes with an x-box controller. The riders are just holding on.
Ya could put a stock pipe on the deegz bike and he’s getting to the front.
A sound rule is dumb to begin with. What is the purpose?
Safety and standardization
truth
@@kurtheidelbach why formula one races then? you heard that from miles away?
@MrIke303 You have to put ear plugs in even with the restrictions for SX. That is if you care about your kids. Nothing sader then to see a bunch of Rednecks at a SX race with babies or little kids and no hearing protection
So star are using stock yamaha ecu's ?? Surely on a vortex or aftermarket ecu are those phone control too ?
If that was the case Levi Kitchen would be singing like a canary and blaming the ability to do that on his lackluster performances. IMO
Like those voting machines
Sound checks in a motor sport is ridiculous. As long as the engine displacement and other specs are in compliance it shouldn’t matter how loud the bike is.
true, these are competition bikes. Indoors it makes sense as does electric and 4t for limiting smoke inhalation.
"And other specs are in compliance" ...like sound. Keeps the fan experience bearable, keeps exhaust companies in business or else they'd do ridiculous things with the exhaust, and keeps the riders hearing intact.
It matters when tracks get shut down for noise complaints
@@jakerivets2249 Nationals tracks aren’t in urban areas….neither are drag strips, NASCAR tracks, open wheel tracks, super bike tracks….you get the idea.
@@cadillacmoto If noise stopped motor sports fans drag racing wouldn’t be popular.
It's not the plane, it's the pilot.
- mavrick
It really is a nothing.
No-one else except Deegs on Star is exactly setting the world on fire.
I dont think the sound test has anything to do with power? Especially when 450 and 250 have to be within 99 decibals?
This is a pretty interesting video, Johnny! Very interesting take on the performance enhancing testing.
On that note, I was starting to ask myself the same thing here. I have a 24.5 KTM 450 and a 24 YZ450 both of which you can easily adjust the map within less than 90 minutes with the connected phone.
Hey Johnny I'd love to get your thoughts on Chase Sexton moto 2 i believe its 1st or 2nd lap, little off track excursion and re entry without giving up a position or looking to see if it was safe and full gas........ should this have been a 1 spot penalty.
This is what I would be saying if I was a vialle fangirl
That’s why Hoppers eyes are bloodshot, crying for Tommy😢
Heaps of ways to do it to change map with out bluetooth. Gear position sensor. Speed. Clutch position. Would a map really make a massive difference to the sound in a sound check? I think lots of bikes over years have had different ignition timing in neutral to change the noise output slightly?? Maybe I’m wrong
Sounds like another case of Loretta's 🤣
I'll say, look at the hunter brothers, there's no way there both that good with out cheater maps and shit.
You saying chase has them to because he won a couple times?
who are the Hunter brothers?
Keep doing moto stuff like the cool line seltections etc. and be the bigger man and stay out the drama bro, it makes you look negative. Ive been subscribed for a long time. Don't let stupid shit drag your channel down please, Eat your cosco cookies and do your cool breakdown stuff!!!
Didn't Anstie lose being P1 qualifier (fastest lap time) at Southwick because of his bike not passing sound?
Unless its in the rules that you can't change maps before sound testing, I'd say uts just gaming the system. If there is concerns then adjust the rules accordingly. Most rules come from people inovating around the rules that already exsisted.
Great cartoon reflection in the background of the picture over your shoulder. Helping with the babysitting so we could enjoy your awesome review ❤🙏
Absolutely...what they testing sound anyway..the whole sight and sound is what creates the whole excitement of racing..cars or bikes..especially when its at professional rider or car drivers levels
In Trials, the technical stewards have specific cdi to test the bike sound
The "sound rule" only makes sense in stadium hence why its more important in Supercross in my opinion. Outdoors it just makes no sense to have a sound check.
The stock ECU has Bluetooth but I doubt that they use a stock ECU... The "Star" ECU with Bluetooth!? I doubt that
If the software is available everyone is using it
I was huge in cycling during the doping days and it was stated if you weren’t cheating you weren’t trying. I guess the same applies here, if your not doing every to get and edge are you even trying.
Aren't they running aftermarket ECU's? Do those ECU's have the same bluetooth tech attached to them as the OEM ECU? And if that is the case, that means that anyone would have this available to them, not just Star.
obviously there's no 'gaming' with mufflers if 'Star' is getting caught. Watching timing and scoring, if it wasn't for Deegan, the Yamaha's are not 'dominate'.
Agreed. We've seen many kawasaki bikes pull the hole shot and lead many laps. Even win.
I heard bikes way louder than the star bikes at the wick…
It’s absolutely plausible. So many riders have brought up how loud the STAR bikes are. I personally think the series and racing in general would be better if there was more parody between the bikes
How would Star let a bike fail if they had that technology? People just want some excuse why Haiden is winning. Johnny, your infatuation with Vialle shines through with you putting this rumor out.
Your telling me the Yamaha guys are the only ones who can do this , bro cmon man smdh 🤦🏻♂️
The Bluetooth tech on the Yamahas should have a lock out button (just like the stark varg does) the day before and during the race so adjusting on the fly can’t happen.
Have that same energy towards Honda. Crazy that Jett can get a horrible jump off the line but magically gets the holeshot.
If VW did it to millions of diesel cars, a team that can change maps remotely will do it to cheat for sure. PS: cooksey is butthurt that you outgrew his childish ways.
They can 100 percent do that and have been able to do so for awhile. There are so many trucks in supercross people used to do like stuff rags in the air box and close everything up in the air box. They would put the exhaust in the freezer or ice cooler to make the examiner cold. There are some many things that can be done. Believe me I have seen a lot of things and done a few to pass sound when I was racing supercross 10 plus years ago. So you can only imagine what a factory team will and can do to push the limits.
What all do they test for?
Absolutely true if you look at Vance & Hines and dynojet fuelpak programmers they are all Bluetooth.. new AMA rule change will be no wireless programming allowed.. all bikes must be hardwired to program ECU.. same rule happened to Harley-Davidson AMA is aware of the situation..
Simple answer is have the rev limiter check as bikes leave track also turn blue tooth of while racing is underway 😁
Of course they can adjust that. Its simple lower the rev limiter and run it leaner. Its simple to fix just ad a tachometer lead to the plug wire. There is enough technology where each team nows where max power is at.
I think u put Deeg’s on Tom’s, Jo’s, or Chance’s bikes he wins.
Deegan would win on a Triumph 😮
Would all these dismissive comments be the same if it was HRC failing a bike test?
No way! They would be screaming from the hills. Anything Deegan does in their eyes is gold. Anything Jett or Hunter does is a crime apparently. This is nothing more than a Deegan fanboy channel. Deegan fans are completely delusional.
@@st25at yep, Ive niced that too. Delusional AND moronic. Im waiting for somebody/anybody to answer the question "could Star Racing be doing things to get around the sound testing?"
anything can be done with tech, it would seem mx would have looked into this and as long as the team gives access to link info it shouldn't be a issue
again the Unicorn Academy on Netflix running in the background 🙂
I personally dont think star would even use the power tuner app. They have fully custom mapped ecus so I don’t see why they would need it
When did we get the idea an ecu makes horsepower…..
It finds it.
Comical theory
Doesn’t ktm have the same tech?
Plus what if this the amas fault and the calibration is off on their sound testing tech.
Sorta like if you get a dui the first thing you do is question the calibration of the equipment; a lot of the time the authorities neglect to have them calibrated regularly
“If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying”
They should be doing the sound test in every gear. Very easy to trick the test if it is done in neutral and have a neutral map.
Loopholes in motorsport love 'em.
When we do noise tests in the UK for car racing they ask what the maximum revs are and we have to rev it 3/4 of max revs...believe me no one tells them their true max revs.
The teams employ super-smart technicians to gain a competitive advantage and skirt the rules.
Ecu is not gonna make the bike louder.. lighter packing or modified exhaust that will make more power on top end will be alot louder.. being a sand track they are gonna need all the top end power they can get..
Do ya know how much the Dodge Roadrunner Winged cars are worth now? 🤣 Guess there will be more rules added now. 😛
If they are cheating, then it’s the ama’s job to prove it, otherwise who cares.
I wonder if they tested AP after the second moto compared to how fast he fell back in the first one and we know he’s healing an injury
Wouldnt it be easier to have a pre loaded map and a sneaky button combination to change map, we know most bikes have a few different maps already like luanch mode, race mode, fule conserve mode is it inconceivable to have a pre loaded map by hitting a certian combination of buttons to turn it on/off ......... most teams probably do it have it, or could it be a simple solenoid in the exhaust that restricts flow like you find on some cars who knows 🤷♂️ but through the TV, the Yamahas are way louder audibly than every other bike out there this could be put down to a number of things but it wouldnt suprise me if they were to loud.
Ever been to an NHRA Drag racing event? This is a joke. The bigger the gov the less freedom one has
🤣🤣
Facts, I live close to one
Look how many NHRA tracks have closed down too. The MX restrictions have nothing to do with the Government 🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂
of course i have seen this in cars... im a tuner and can change maps through my phone.
Deegan is winning... he must be cheating. lol Who makes this shit up?
Obviously hopper, he’s admittedly a vialle fan. Has said that’s his boy and thrown shade at DB multiple times.
@MrIke303 Honda's 450 starts are amazing!!
Jealousy pure and simple.
I am sure the ECU has when the ecu settings where changed.
Im more curious on whats playing in the background on the reflection of johnny's poster
There is always a digital footprint to determine changes. My concerned, why hasn't anyone try to hack to change mapping during race.
i know for a fact theyre not running the stock ECU that allows that WIFI connectivity
Bluetooth and WiFi can be detected, so there's that.
Total BS I saw them testing his bike after the race. Why is this not being tested before the race. Can the packing not get blown out during a race???
You want to the rev out and push engine before the race? Asking for Bike failures...they do it after the race so it can't be modified prior to the race, the bikes are hot and peak performance, and doesn't matter if bike dies.
They do test the bikes before the race.
@MrIke303which in my opinion is entirely the reason a different tune would get loaded. If I was that team I would put a safe tune in the bike so it didn’t blow up on the stand. If you knew someone was going to free rev the fuck out of a very expensive race engine. UNLOADED. On a stand….. Like you said. They cost $$$$. It’s very bad to sit there and free rev an engine in neutral. Sound checks hurt my soul as do the rev offs when people win lol. I feel bad for the engine guy. 😂😂😂😂
@@cash3015 If revving the bike a few times is going to kill it, it's not surviving 2 minutes on track.
@@richardcarvalho4134ya the day before
Omg not again haha the dude smokes them caues he is better look at the riding style and the hard work he puts in
I have a get Bluetooth cdi, I have a sound map for enduros and then a race map, not against the rules b/c I pass sound check
If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
The ecu and fuel needs to be regulated like it is in all other forms of Motorsports
Think deegs and vialle do the same as sexton and jett. I think thats what pisses deegs off with vialle. I dont see duffy letting them lose for a sound dq. Im sure he packs the shit out of that pipe knowing how much haiden revs.
There is 100% a way to prove it. The info is all stored.
Just like with everything with technology there is good and bad. Every Yamaha bike and exhaust isn't exactly the same so no it isn't surprising that one bike can fail and another pass. Varg has a pretty good approach of locking down adjustments for a certain amount of time as one possible approach. Bluetooth has an extremely short range so they would have to be doing it with close proximity to the bike. Almost all new bikes have multiple maps on the bike itself controlled by the rider. The rules don't currently state that all maps must be checked or that only one map can be run I don't think. It would be interesting to understand how they test or limit that.
The rules are totally safe and effective. Even if you break them.