Board Game Versus | 8 Games, 4 Matchups! | If I had to Keep 1 and Get Rid of the Other...
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
- In the first video of this new series, I take 8 games and pair them up in four 1v1 matchups to decide if I HAD to choose one game to stay and one game to go, which would get the boot and which would get the shelf space?
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0:00 Overview of New Series
1:51 New York Zoo vs Barenpark
9:06 Project L vs Splendor
14:29 Tzolk'in vs Teotihuacan
22:43 Quacks of Quedlinburg vs Cubitos - Hry
Agree with my picks? Would you have kept the same ones and got rid of the same ones?
Let me know how you would have decided in each of the 4 matchups!
I haven’t personally played project L but splendor with expansions is just one that will never leave my collection. I have introduced splendor to so many new board gamers and they went out and bought it right away and lit their fire for board games. It is IMO the perfect gateway game for new gamers. Maybe I will get to play project L one day. Completely agree with all the other picks. Love what you guys do. Keep up the good work!
I’m with you for 3 out of 3 - so they must be good choices! Haven’t played the T games (although Teotihuacan has always looked a bit more appealing).
I like the comparison concept, I hope you do more of these. I would’ve picked the same ones.
Great comparisons. Agree with your picks. I have all the ones you picked. For the first category though the game that I've been playing the most of (primarily on BGA) is Isle of Cats, great game! Never saw Project L before but looks interesting. Love quacks too! If you ever wanted to take a deeper look maybe do a comparison of Splendor vs. Project L. vs. Century?? Still tho, keep up the great work :)
Agree strongly with 3 out of 4. I personally prefer Teotihuacan, but not by a huge margin. The other three were no-brainer choices for me. Great series!
I always have a difficult time deciding between two similar games, and it's fun to hear your opinions. I'm loving this series...please keep it up.
Thanks so much, Casey! The feedback has been great, which I'm thrilled about. I'll definitely keep doing them.
I love this new series idea. I do think it would be cool if you also include if you feel it is really beneficial to have both games, or having one in your collection feels like enough for an average gamer.
Great point! And I agree, I'll try and remember to make that distinction in the future episodes!
It's interesting that you feel you have more control in Quacks than Cubitos. I've found myself stricken with the opposite experience. Yes, Cubitos is about chucking dice and that part is essentially all luck but I've found that in terms of the player's control over their turns, Quacks sometimes feels frustratingly random and with no real options to mitigate risk. Because you're allowed to see and pick from your dice pool, Cubitos gives the player more agency in which dice you draw and when, how to combo multiple dice together and it offers the ability to cull unwanted dice. As far as I recall, there's no option in Quacks to reduce your risk of unwanted draws. The best you can do is try to dilute your bag with more tiles, to reduce odds of pulling cherry bombs, so it's often a reasonable strategy to simply buy as many tiles as possible. In Cubitos, what you buy and when is generally much more important than sheer volume.
I've found Quacks to be an "okay" game but not one that really compels me to return to it. 6/10
Cubitos is what I'd call "pretty good". Not a game I want to play all the time but one I wouldn't really turn down if someone asked to play it. 7/10
For what it's worth. ;-)
Awesome video! I’m excited to see the next one in the series!
Love this video! I definitely love the idea of picking two games based on size, and then having to pick despite being completely different games. I look forward to future ones. Excellent video!
Thank you! Yes, I'm going to try and do some more fun and obscure reasons for comparing games in the future in order to make some of the decisions more grueling and difficult.
love the series theme
Love the video!! 🧡 I think I’m a Cubitos fan, more so because of my love for dice and also the racetrack. The thrill of watching pieces race around a track and trying to hit the cool bonuses is such a fun time.
That being said, Quacks is EXCELLENT and I love the multitude of combos you can find.
Thanks Doolin! And they're both great. I totally get the love for Cubitos and understand those who prefer it to Quacks. There's just something about Quacks that grabs my attention and interest more than Cubitos does.
Cubitos is fun but it was too similar to one of the many game modes included in Quodd Heroes which I think I'd rather play if I'm looking for a racing experience.
Love that you guys keep trying new stuff!! 👍🏻
Thanks Matthew! That's something we'll definitely keep doing to find the type of content that our audience enjoys, but also that we enjoy making!
Honestly this was REALLY helpful. A lot of these games are games that I have been interested in but not quite sure about.
I don't think you've made any of them a buy for me but now I know which ones to prioritize on my try list.
Great to hear, Tanner! Thanks for the feedback. :)
Some games to compare as a suggestion : Lost Ruins of Arnak VS Dune Imperium, Wingspan VS Everdell, Terraforming Mars VS Ark Nova, Root VS Blood Rage (combat aspect), Unsettled VS Vindication (the puzzle aspect), Blood Rage VS Rising Sun VS Ankh, Clank! VS The Hunger, Unsettled VS On Mars VS Cryo (space theme), Aquatica VS Abyss. Anyway, nice video. Cheers!
AWESOME suggestions. Some of these will definitely pop up in the future, or perhaps even in their own video for some of those matchups! Thanks for sharing them.
Love this series! I have been looking for videos like this!
Thanks Tony! Glad you enjoyed it.
I really like this concept. THANKS!
Glad you like it, Jason!
I love the idea behind this series! There's only so much room, both physically on shelves and mentally for learning and retaining rules.
Thanks Carol, glad you like it! I hope it's both fun and informative for people!
Love this concept for this video!
Thanks Danielle! ☺️
Fun series! I've played exactly 1 from 3 of the pairs you chose for this video. I like Barenpark, Splendor, Teotihuacan, but haven't played any of the others. I'd like to try New York Zoo, Project L & Tzolk'in. Great video👍
I think Teotihuacan is better than Tzolkin. You also pronounced it correctly, pretty great actually. I own both and enjoy both, but Teo is one of my favorite games, possibly #1. Both games rely on timing of your moves. In Tzolkin, you're timing when to pull off your workers to pull off a big move, in Teo, you're timing the placement and powers of your workers to also pull off big moves. I think they differ in that Tzolkin is a worker placement, but Teo is like a worker rondel, since once you do an action, you have to go around the board to do the same with that same worker.
I love going up Teo's tracks to get bonuses and comboing that into other moves. I agree Tzolkin has the great gears, and it can play quicker.But Tzolkin suffers from a non variable set up. The technologies never change, and this has led to people coming up with a couple dominant strategies. Teo has a lot of variability out of the box in the base game, so this is less of an issue, every game is different.
I'm just a Teo fanboy, there I said it. This game made Tascini a favorite designer. I hope he (alone) punches out another game soon.
Love this series concept! It's good to consider WHY a certain game is in your collection and why it's staying... partly because that also makes it easier when the time comes to decide which ones should go. I've got a lot of games that are pretty similar, so some of those can probably go at some point. (That point is "when my Kallax is full", so not yet!)
It also wasn't until I saw Tzolk'in and Teotihuacan next to each other like this that I realized they're both by the same designer! A bit shocked at the Google results though.
I'm honestly trying to be more and more critical about what stays in my collection these days. So truly, videos like this help ME so much as well to think hard about some of the games I have and figure out whether I need to own the anymore or they've been replaced by something else on my shelf.
Cool to see you guys on Fosters stream !! you guys did great!
Haha thanks Scott! :D
The only match-up where I've played both games is Cubitos and Quacks, and I would entirely agree with you. You feel like you have more control in Quacks, and that's because you do! Independent probability in Cubitos is brutal. Also, I would say that the theme makes way more sense in Quacks, whereas the theme in Cubitos is practically non-existent and the game elements don't seem to gel together as well (it took me a few plays to remember that it's a racing game, haha). I enjoy both but Quacks is a clear winner.
Nice video! Other ideas for versus are 7 wonders with other drafting games, the various Uwe Rosenberg worker placement games and the mysterium/Dixit.
Great suggestions! I'll keep all of those in mind, thanks for sharing them!
Great idea for a series of videos! For me, still Splendour: Jewels trump Tetris for me...
Thanks, and I totally get it. Splendor is still great and I don't plan to get rid of it anytime soon.
Great video! More like this one please :)
Thanks Eric!
Cool video. I'd like to play Cubitos thanks for covering!
great series!!!!
Thanks a lot!
I need to try Barenpark, but my wife and I love playing Isle of Cats together and it's hard to imagine it would get beat out. Love Tzolk'in (100% through BGA), haven't tried the other. Quacks vs Cubitos is a fun conversation because they are both solid games. For me, I feel Quacks is a timeless design as something to have casual fun with. Yes, the setup time, ugh, but I just put together a folded space insert for it that I hope fixes that issue. Cubitos is fun, but some of our games have felt broken - where the right combo mixed with luck can have huge swings. I went from losing and barely anywhere in the race to a win in two rounds in our last game. That is the main reason for even a gateway I'd say Quacks first because the catchup balancing (rats) makes it fun to see someone who starts off poorly come out ahead and win. Yes, that's less "skill", but it's a luck game and to me that's more fun if I can teach it and see a reasonable chance for that person to win.
Thanks for the insight, Shawn! Agree about Isle of Cats in that it's a great game! I personally prefer it to Barenpark as well but Barenpark is the easier teach and quicker play so they both could co-exist on the shelf for me!
I like this series idea a lot! Great to put two similar enough games side by side and ask yourself which should go? I think I'd keep Teotihuacan, but I've just played it a lot more, but like you, both are going to stay in my collection. However, I am getting rid of Tabunnasi: Builders of Ur. Everything else though I agreed with, especially Project L. I got rid of Splendor ages ago and have never looked back.
Thanks a lot, glad you enjoyed it! Tabunnasi is one that I want to try, but need to find someone who has it because I wouldn't buy it at this point. Or play it at a board game cafe or something.
I've played New York Zoo so many times with my nieces and nephews.
Love your guys content I Have a video suggestion for you. Take your top 64 games in your collection. Seed them like a march madness bracket. Let's us vote !!!! Then do small videos for each matchup who won/loss results during actual NCCA rounds. Till the championship where people decide ultimate winner bwahahahah !!!
Haha thanks for the suggestion, Joseph! That would definitely be fun. It might be too late to do it for this March with other stuff we have planned/going on but maybe that will be our March Madness next year!
That sounds awesome!
I completely agree with this suggestion.
All I'm saying is.....Barenpark always wins :)
6 months ago I would have fought you more on this, but I come around more and more with each play! Still not my favourite polyomino, but it's climbing.
I love this new concept! I'd definitely pick Teotihuacan over Tzolkin, I just have a lot more fun playing ist than I have with Tzolkin, whearas IT would be hard for me to choose between Quacks and Cubitos, I think Quacks ist easier to learn fit new players, nur I also like the racing aspect of Cubitos, I own both games and I wouldn't get rid of either of them
Thanks for sharing your picks! And glad you enjoy the new series. 👍🏽
I have been trying to decide between Tzolkin and Teotihuacan! You've swayed me. I'm going to try Tzolkin first. 😁
I'm on team Quacks, but I have and am going to keep Cubitos! 😁
Yeah I like all 4 games so it was hard to choose in both cases. But Tzolkin and Quacks are awesome!
Nooo play Teo!
Viva Splendor! At two or three players is really good.
At least for me.
Yeah, 3 is my favourite player count for Splendor!
I bought Cubitos after watching Boardgameco’s play this not that. The thing that really pushed me to get it was the dice vs buying the upgraded bits for Quacks. I felt that I would want them and it basically doubles the cost of the game. I also didn’t have any racing games so thought I’d go with that one. We enjoy Cubitos but it wasn’t the hit I hoped it would be. Now I am contemplating getting Quacks anyway. Guess we’ll see.
Yeah while the upgraded bits aren't necessary by any means, I'm sure they make the experience of playing the physical version much more enjoyable. Our friend Braiden has them and I'm excited to try out his version!
Your opinion on quacks vs cubitos is so different than what I have experienced with my groups. I prefer quacks but I have found my more non gamers prefer quacks and found it easier to learn and struggled with cubitos. My heavier gamers prefer cubitos and find quack to simple. I just think the theme of quacks is easier to get into for most people that I teach.
Honestly, I wonder if the Cubitos vs Quacks comparison a lot of the time comes down to which one some people have played first. Not always, obviously. But for me, I wonder if I had played Cubitos first and that was my first experience with that style of Push-Your-Luck style of game, whether Cubitos would be my preference. No way to know for sure, but just a thought I had!
The first (and last) time I played Tzolk'in, it went something like this:
Place workers
Fail to harvest enough corn
Lose points for not having enough corn
Lose points begging the gods for more corn
Ask for clarification if it is possible to go below 0 on the score track
Repeat cycle for 4 hours (yes, seriously, 4 hours)
Somebody else wins
Yeah, I didn't have a great time with that game. :-)
Haha well if it makes you feel better, I once taught Tzolkin to Carlo and another friend of ours with incorrect rules that meant we could barely do ANYTHING all game except find ways to gain corn and lament at how it was so incredibly punishing and not fun for some reason. It took a while to earn their trust back! Perhaps a story for a future video, lol.
Hey Dylann, great video today! Have you ever played The Artemis Project? It has dice placement as a mechanism and is a pretty great game. I also noticed Bitoku on the shelf behind you. Great game, are you and Carlo going to do a review on it? I'd love to hear your take on the game 😊
Thanks Angela! Glad to hear you enjoyed it. ☺️
I haven't played The Artemis Project! Pretty sure someone mentioned it to me in the comments previously too though. Bitoku is one that we haven't got to the table yet but once we do, I'd love to do a review on it since it's been talked about a lot!
Good choices, Tzolk'in is the greatest worker placement game. Interesting comparing Project L to Splendor. Not sure if they're in your collections, but Century Spice, Mystic Market, or Gizmos would also be good comparisons. Have you preordered the Quacks follow-up racing game, Mit Quacks & Co. nach Quedlinburg?
I do have Gizmos in my collection and I've played Century as well. I enjoy them both! I haven't preordered the follow-up, but I am aware of it!
Try Llamaland (Phil Walker-Harding) Dylann!
Carlo has it so I plan to! I also have Gingerbread House which is apparently very similar!
Also look for this free mod of mine: Blood Rage Lite (could be found, for free, in the BGG's Blood Rage's variant or file section). It really gets the job done - testosterone fights allowing for deep strategy and tactics.
More of this. And burn the other live
😂😅
I got rid of Cubitos after playing The Quest for El Dorado. I'd rather play El Dorado for racing and deck/dice building.
I really loved Tzolk'in, but stopped playing after playing quite a bit on BGA. There was a strategy that everyone used that made it less interesting for me.
Interesting! What was the strategy? I'm curious!
@@AllYouCanBoard Early game max out on the Resource Extraction track. Get a bunch of resources. Go to the exchange corn for resources spot on the yellow cog and get a ton of corn. Then do whatever you want the rest of the game.
@@grog3514 Yes it does have those things. But it was hard for me to get to the variety, because I kept playing it with new players. Not the games fault.
As for push your luck. I wasn't looking for a push your luck game but a racing game. I felt like El Dorado did the racing aspect better.
To me the dice and the deck building were a wash when comparing them. I like both.
I have and love playing Quacks with non-gamers, but with gamer friends I really want to spend that time playing something at least a bit more thinky. Would Qubitos bridge that gap?
Love the new series but gettin' rid of Teotihuacan...? HELL, NO!
;)
Haha agreed. It's staying on my shelf for now. But over time, if it continues to never get played, it might have to be culled just to make room for new games that will get played more often. However, I'm not at that point yet. Anytime I do play Teotihuacan, I really enjoy it.
I've played both, but I found that Cubitos just didn't impress me. I felt that Quacks gives you more control and balance than the dice in Cubitos.
Wow you don't have century golem edition. I'd play Project L , Century Golem then splendor 🙂 and I'd go with Cubitos only because I prefer to roll dice 🎲 😉 also I'd go with isle of cats 🐈 I play family mode because I don't play game over 45 minutes to hour and like lite to medium complexity. Then Baren Park .
Isle of Cats is great! Big fan.
I've played Century: Spice Road, but only once. Haven't tried the Golem version though.
Guess I'm going to have to try Project L after this BLASPHEMOUS SLANDER towards Splendor. Also, we should play Quacks with my upgraded bits set.... it's sooo goooooood.
Yes! I really want to play with the upgraded bits. Definitely need to play that some time.
Please God have games I already own win...
Hahaha I like ALL the games I look at it and they're all in my collection so you can't go wrong if we disagree, imo. But if I had to choose, these are the ones I would!
Hey, you totally swayed me to give Project L a try... too bad it's not a game the general public can actually BUY right now. And the fact that the only copies I can find are on eBay and selling for north of $100 suggests this game has never yet been released to retail. Or it only ever got a limited release. There's nothing more frustrating from a game review channel than an enthusiastic recommendation for a game that no one can buy.
It's available almost everywhere in Canada as a pre-order for the next printing.
I actually purchased my copy walking in to a local game store and picking it off the shelf here in Canada. So if it's not available at retail, that's news to me! Or perhaps it sold out it's run and retailers are waiting for a new printing.
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I would have kept everything. 😁
For real though. Interesting games to compair in each round. Good job, it has me thinking. 🤔
Hahaha, I mean they're all in my collection currently so that's definitely a decision I can agree with too!
I’ve heard such great things about Splendor, but I cannot get over that horrible box art. It’s weird yellow boarder is so unappealing, this weird guy taking up most of the box tweezing a gem is so ugly and boring, the weird clip-art people in the background make no sense and are just hideous. And there is no way that I can bring Splendor to a game night, show people Splendor, and them get excited. In a world with thousands of amazing games that have great art, I can comfortably skip Splendor and never miss it.
The box looks like a porn parody for Disney’s Aladdin, but one you turn off because it’s so boring.