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Trek Madone 9.9 -- now adjustable handlebar, stem?
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- I did a previous video about how many new bikes are coming with proprietary parts that can make it all but impossible to modify the fit. The TRek Madone was one such bike, but it appears that Trek may have gotten some sfeedback that the "non-adjustability sucks, becausethis year they made the Madone with a more adjustable front end thanks to a change in the spacers.
I have a client that was struggling with his fit on the Madone (last year's) and so I decided to give the new spacers a try -- and was crossing my fingers that they'd work.
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Mental note: Never, ever do this to my Madone.
This is awesome, I like that you are including teardowns as it explains a lot of the newer technologies. This overlaps into other areas, really grateful - keep the uploads coming!
Your solution is excellent and the flexibility you add to this bike is great. I also find your video very clear
Client should have bought the Madone 9.0 - comes with a standard stem. Half the price of the 9.9.
Easiest solution is to get a different bike. This is ridiculous.
+chrisk730 So it's "easier" to scrap a $13,000+ bike (eat the inevitable -- $6000-$7000 loss on it) and start over?
If you mean the should have opted for a different bike originally, you might be correct, but that ship has sailed
@@bikefitadviser7012 it’s an amazing bike, but it reached a point of being too integrated and once it becomes old I know for sure that I’ll struggle finding spare parts. Interesting solution for the handlebar tho.
Nice video but man that's an ugly bike now.
Right! That is one ugly Trek Madone.
he is just showing thats possible
All these integrated and proprietary designs make bike setup needlessly difficult. Amateurs who want to look ProTour go for it but they lock themselves into a single vendor for stems, spacers, seatposts, forks, etc. Its all about fashion.
I wouldn't say you ruined the looks of the bike - after all, it was Trek who decided all people through a specific size range should conform to a single standard... But seeing the bar configuration at the end, the bike is quite obviously the wrong type for the owner: his upright posture will negate all the marginal gains from the bike's aero parts, he'd probably be much happier with an endurance bike instead of just going for the most expensive one he could find... Which sleezeball sold him this?
Really appreciate what you did to show the flexibilty available on the madone headset.
The cable hole on the new spacers=water ingress...
Thanks for helping me assemble a used Madone 9.2.
You’re right. Now it does look absolutely atrocious. Why don’t you just get a proper fit and then order the integrated handlebar with proper stem size that fits your fit?
There are not enough sizes to fit everyone perfectly. And because various parts are custom, it would be difficult to even test a fit on a different bike.
Andrzej Sawicki really? I’m not an expert in bike fitting but if you choose the stem length, reach, do the stack with the spacers how could you not find the right fit? You’re saying the handlebars don’t come with different stem lengths? And shouldn’t John be able to set him up on a tester bike or fitting system to tell him which stem length he needs without buying and testing?
Those custom, integrated parts (stems, bars, seatposts) are typically not modifiable, or if they are, you pay through the nose for replacements compared to off-the-shelf stuff. That was the very point of this video.
Alan Taylor Farnes There are only a couple choices in sizes for the stem/bar combo. None of which offer any chance to adjust the bar height up, thru more stem rise. So until the new spacers that I placed on it, from this year's model, the front end had no adjustment other than a longer stem (he already had the 44 cm wide bars) and a longer stem would only make the problem worse.
Thanks for the reply John. It seems that this rider is a bit non-traditional based on his stack and then the angle of the stem needed to fit him. Seems like this isn't really the bike for him because of how high he needs the bars. Would you say that most cyclists, if they knew their correct fit, could simply buy a new integrated cockpit with the proper stem length? Or are you saying that a good amount of cyclists will still not be able to find the right fit because of the small number of available options? Sure it sucks to have to replace the handlebars on a new bike but I would think that getting a new cockpit would be the best thing and wouldn't necessitate a lot of the hassle you show in the video.
Seems that the owner wants to have his aero bike just like his endurance bike (my take on this). So why even buy an aero bike if you're just going to have it exactly like an endurance bike? An aero bike is meant to be ridden on a low position to fully use the frame capabilities... not that that's uncomfortable to ME at least but the owner definitely didn't knew what he bought. Bike looks HORRENDOUS AT THE END!
Thats my point. NOT the bikes fault that the owner cant be flexible enough and that it wants its AERO bike to be like and endurance bike... makes no sense at all!
+New Subaru Guy I don't see what the big deal is.
Rider fell in love with a bike for it's looks
Rider (like most people) didn't have his perfect fit coordinates before he bought (Same as probably 95% of rider's, unfortunately)
Buys the bike, has to alter it. Rider still loves the bike.
Rider rides his bike. That's a happy ending.
And incidentally, assigning fault is understandable but it's silly to discuss the bike this way. The bike is an inanimate object, so of course there's no fault to place, BUT someone made that bike, someone sold (and ostensibly gave advice on sizing) that bike and they share more than their fair share of blame.
+Maca I get it, but since 1. Most aero gains are only applicable at speeds much higher than the average rider averages and 2. The frame makes a pretty small overall impact from an aerodynamic standpoint the broader point you could make is that MOST people should probably avoid spending big bucks on an aero bike
I have at least 3 buddies with the same bike and same stem/bar combination and they didnt had to alter anything. I guess the owner of this bike just buys things for their looks rather than for their purpose. Because the owner didnt bought it for its determined use he had to alter it, so the blame will fall on the bike/manufacturer but i dont see it that way. Brands let you know what their different models are for, again, he wants its aero bike to be like an endurance bike which is stupid.
I get where you're coming from, but it's only stupid and pointless if you're buying it because of it's aero benefits. Just because someone buys an aero bike doesn't mean they're doing so to take advantage of the proposed (however small) aerodynamic advantage. You would seek the aero advantage if you're doing two things -- either racing or you just think it could make your rides (fractionally) easier/quicker/more efficient.
It's actually a safe bet that the vast majority are not bought for these reasons primarily. (I won't even go into the fact that if you go back to the 2016/2017 Trek website and look at this Madone, the words "comfort" and "ride quality" are given equal time and weight in the website copy) Most people buy aero bikes because of how they look. And even if some of them do say that the aero benefit is a big reason they opted for that bike, it doesn't bear out in reality because as I mentioned before the actual benefit is usually anywhere from small to negligible. The dollars to watts saving ratio is also atrocious when considering the frame.
One last monkey wrench: this rider actually got faster on the bike after the changes even though we made him "less aerodynamic". Why? Because the position he's in is more conducive to power generation which more than makes up for any aero detriment we caused by altering the front end from the proprietary parts. So he has a bike he's comfortable on, faster and more efficient on, and one that he loves the way it looks. As I said...that's a "win". Best, J
This bike is insane, looks like a space ship. Really cool
What a faff to sort out. Given the prices of these bikes, there should be the option to order your correct stem/bar size at the ordering stage. I'd have thought buyers at that spend level have already had a bike fit, so sizing isn't difficult.
I am looking at a 2018 synapse and was worried that the integrated bar/stem would not be sized right, but Cannondale seem to have dropped the combo system. Anyone know why?
You'd expect someone to have a bike fit before laying down £££ on a Madone so it was right out of the shop. I had a foc sizing prior to placing the order on my P1 Maddy9 which was a good job because I needed the longer seat post :D
Great Video!! I just took delivery of a 2019 Madone 7 SLR 56cm and after a few hours in the saddle I am finding out the fit is not like my last Madone. I am told by the dealer and by Trek that there is no more adjustment left. I cant get into the Drops without getting a stiff neck and sore shoulders. It is too low. I need to raise the bars about 1/2 inch. I was told by Trek there is an adaptor that will allow this but I also have to buy new aero bars and stem aslo which adds up to about $800 without labor. Any ideas on how to work around this would be appreciated!
Thanks for this video. I've read about this new accessory to enable the use of conventional stem/bar for the Madone 9 and its great to see it at work. Looking forward to more and new eye opening content. Great job as always!
Wouldn't it be fair to say that this is the fault of the owner buying a unsuitable bike rather than the fault of the bike? With that many spacers they clearly need/want an upright position so why buy a race bike? Id say they bought a bike they !kids the look of, not one that fits their purpose.
+Dave Hughes all true but unfortunately you're injecting logic into the situation...often not the case in bike purchases. Yes, absolutely, some blame ought to be placed at the feet of the buyer; he admits that he just loved the look of the bike from the outset.
But on the other hand, I feel brands don't go far enough to educate their prospective buyers. It's not as if Trek ever noted anywhere "hey, if you're older/less fit/less flexible etc. , you might want to avoid this bike..." It's likely they'll never do this of course, but a bike fitter can dream, right?
Finally he didn't have a gate keeper in the shop where he bought it to properly inform him....it's all too rare to have this though because first there aren't enough people with enough bike fit knowledge to intervene, and it's extremely difficult as a shop or salesperson to talk someone out of a bike they're interested in.... especially one that would bring a margin like a high end Madone.
Great work on getting that setup, and great videos in general. It's amazing the amount of people that buy race bikes then convert them to comfort bikes after realizing they cannot ride them without discomfort. Raising the bars and increasing the riders back angle so dramatically would significantly reduce the aerodynamic advantages to such a degree that an aero frame, wheels etc would be almost pointless. I'll make a few assumptions, just for fun. The rider is a man, he's middle aged, he's definitely not race lean in terms of bodyweight, he's never won a bike race overall. He does however have money, he bought the most bling bike possible. It won't really help him ride faster at all. He'll repeat the same process in a year. Now imagine if the same rider bought a cheap 2nd hand bike and spent the saved money on a nutritionist and numerous sustained and challenging training camps instead of work days. I'd bet he'd be significantly faster. He wouldn't however have the fancy bike.
Ketzal Sterling good for you Mr. Holmes. Even if you are right, who Cares. If he wants bling and can afford this, why not? I would do if i could and guess what? I have never won a race nor did i race in one :)
indeed Ketzal I agree, i'm just passed mid forties and was all set on getting mid price endurance bike with disc brakes to replace my 14 year old trek 5200 that i used once a year for a 50 mile sportive. i saw a madone 9 series in France last year and tripped over my tongue eyes popped out of my head, went to my friends bike shop had a sat on it got fitted for it handed over the plastic. I've not won and won't win any races, but that bike inspires me to get out and ride it because it looks awesome and folks that don't know much about bikes think the same, and it does ride awesome too. This summer I rode London to Paris then 4 days later did my first 100 mile sportive on it. Looking forward to next spring summer. So yes I could have bought the sensible bike and personal trainer blah blah where's the fun in that. YOLO
With that 2 piece setup, it still looks darned clean on the front end. Glad they added this option for the 2018 models. I've still got a while before I'm looking to upgrade (my wife is getting her new Emonda tomorrow which as unplanned upgrade after her Silque frame cracked in a fall). But it's nice to see them making it a bit easier to fit. I'd probably go to a shop to do a "pre-fitting" and see if there is a setup on the 1 piece that works for me. But I assume a 2 piece would probably just be safer. Nice to know that is an option in the future. Especially since my LBS that has been working with me and my wife since we were newbies on ~40 year old Huffies is a Trek dealer.
Instead of that raised stem why not try the specialized aerofly 25mm rise handle bars?
Another great tutorial.Very informative + you have great mechanical skills,diagnostically and otherwise...Thank You!
I just had this done to my Madone -same exact bike as in the video. When I turn to the right the rear brake caliber locks up now. Bike shop said there is little they can do because the retro pacers are smaller and causes pinching. Looking at what they did vs yours looks like they may not have kept the original bottom wedge? Did you run into this?
Integrated parts are just dumb...they may give marginal gains but unless you already have deep pockets, they are horrible for the end-user
TeslaOsiris I assuming when you looking for a madone 9.9, you already have deeeeeep pocket.......
Great job, but final look makes me cry, will never do anything like that to my Madone.
I've just unscred headset and nut fall down to fork! Please somebody help me with tips how to remove it.
I've tried with frame upside down and no success.
Awesome video, is it possible to use that handlebar with the regular bike with the round stem base ? Anyone ?
what are the chances those spaces are still available for purchase. Exact the same problem I am having. Went from 14 madone to 18 madone and hate the front end. Would love to do this to mine if I could find the parts. Any ideas of where to buy?
Hi,Where can I buy Trek Madone Big spacers?Thank you.
if you bike aero frame bike you should ride that position you cannot change if you’re going to commute buy emonda domane etc..?
Can i use this madone 9 handle bar on madone sl6?
I have previously built a Madone 9.9 with the integrated bars and I am just about to do the same thing here for another customer.
I think you have done the best job you can here but the whole design from Trek is terrible. The main thing that worries me about this setup is the large hole at the front of the bike where all the rain and muck will inevitably enter straight down onto the headset bearings. Also any water running down the cables will be lead into the headset space. It is a compromise but not a good one in my view and it looks awfull.
I have had to deal with similar type problems in the past. I just wish people would take advice before they purchase the latest so called go faster bike from the internet. My advice would be free because I would then get a custom build or the servicing of a bike the customer would be happy with.
Unless you have money to burn or you are a pro rider with a team of mechanics behind you do not purchase bikes like this........you probably won't go any faster.
Doesn't Trek offer a bike fit of sorts when you pay top money for this high end steed? You should at least get to choose stem length and bar width, even if they're combined into one piece.
The choices on that looked pretty limited when I was talking to my LBS. My wife got a Project One Emonda to replace her Silque (poor bike frame cracked in a fall) and before she realized that the Madone did not come in a 47cm for her, she at least looked at the choices. There's only a few combos available. And if you want to change after the fact, it is $700. And that is if you do Project One. If you buy a "off the shelf" bike from Trek, they come with the size that comes with that size of bike.
For example her 50cm Silque came with 170mm crank arms and 40cm bars. She ended up getting 36cm bars and 165mm crank arms. That right there was $600. And was still cheaper than a Madone bar/stem combo. Madone is a great looking bike. But like he says videos, it seems to be a bit rough for customers with fitting issues. I'd definitely get myself a pre-fitting and consider Project One before going that route. Thankfully it looks like this year's model (at least the 9.0) has the 2 piece option to make fitting easier.
My NLBS (non-local bike shop, a 2-3 hour drive from here) does it differently. They stock frames, not whole bikes, and then build a frame to spec with components to fit/suit you. They help you select a frame and determine frame size and component dimensions based on a bike fitting they do on either your previous bike or one of the adjustable fitting rigs they have. For medium to high-end bikes this makes a lot of sense. You avoid accumulating a pile of expensive parts that are useless to you, and the shop avoids having to stock different levels and frame sizes of a variety of models of complete bikes. Plus you get the wheels you want rather than whatever the bike manufacturer decides to put on that model.
great video my son is having a similar issue but needs to mount TT bars to his 2016 bike just wondering if you have a link of ware to buy these spacers
where can i buy the small spacer?
so much work to adjust the stem, please... I do maintenance on the bike myself but man... needs a lot of patience to pull cables out every time you want to adjust the stem...
I have these same bike/handlebars and cannot find a mount for the computer like you have on yours. Do you still have it? Want to sell it? Know where i can get it?
Hey I was thinking if I’m able to put the handlebar from the Madone to my Domane SL5 but watching this I might just swap the handlebar for a XXX instead 🤣 thanks
Brutal ;)
Where did you buy this kit?
I realize this is 4 years old now but I’m left speechless 🤯🤢
Was this a mechanical Madone or Di2?
Why would modify this beautiful machine?????!!!
A prince turned into a frog
I'm sorry but I didn't like this because the owner got you to hack the madone rather than sorting out their position before shelling out the big bucks to buy a suitable bike.
Nice job, I should have washed it !
Or just buy a Domane in the first place
I like it
Can't tell from the video, but is this H1 geometry Madone? If so, the person could have benefited from just getting the H2 with the taller head-tube. Yeah, it's a few hundred grams heavier but would avoid the mess of all those spacers.
that's certainly already a H2, what the owner need is a hybrid bike not road bike
Nice video.
Trek really screwed the looks with those spacer.
The owner doesn't dry his bike enough after washing or uses it on an indoor trainer without greasing the steerer clamp bolt heads!
yoog that's what I would have thought, but neither is true. We live in the desert and he never rides in the rain. And he doesn't use a trainer. I was surprised by the oxidation but it looks to be more the result of the type of metal used in those fasteners...
+yoog ...or, more accurately, the finish on the fasteners
Is it possibly from cleaning? I live in Phoenix and don't always remember to towel off the front end after a cleaning and our screws look a bit oxidized too. I do use a trainer but sit in a more upright position and tend to sweat over a ways away from any clamps. Plus usually wear a thin cap (to keep sweat out of my eyes as much as off of my bike) and usually keep a towel and 2 large fans blasting me.
+Fidasaind Yes I would bet it's from cleaning. I pretty much only use baby wipes now, but when I used to use soapy sponges and rags, I'd towel dry the bike then spray WD40 on steel bolts/fasteners. Unfortunately there's not a really good solution for preventing corrosion/rust with indoor training. The fastener that holds the BB cable guide on my spare bike is completely rusted over...a dark brown mass at this point. I also use a cap and two fans (one blowing on my body and one blowing on my face.)
replace them with Titanium bolts, mine last forever.
Do you know the name of the Garmin mount sitting on the integrated handlebar?
It's Bontrager's Blendr mount
Why would you do that to such a cool looking bike?
how can the shop sell the owner that bike knowing the raise is like 10cm too low
I guess you have to buy a bike that fits your riding style in the first place, so you don't get this problem.
The so called aero gains of the original stem steerer unit are hardly noticeable if your speed is below 40 km/h.
For most of us this type of machinery is completely useless.
For recreational riders this type of aero bike is a childish way to show off.
Jan Willem Kuilenburg 😂😂😂
Haters lol...
I have a Madone 9.9 RSL. I didn't buy it to show off nor for the Aero advantage (if there really is any) I appreciate the build quality and look of this bike. Riding this bike is a pure delight :)
dont get that bike if you dont like that position
Like Alfred told Batman, " Some people just want to see the world burn"
The non aero final product is unfortunate. But blame is the buyer’s and the bike shop. But most brick and mortar bike shops have to meet profits and can’t deny someone ready to buy. But the buyer should have thought about it more before buying such an expensive and hard to adjust bike. The perfect storm. Fit trumps aero.
If I´m thinking about buying a madone I want this clean look. So if the stem doesn´t fit me I don´t buy the bike. Sorry Trek!
How to Fred-up a Madone
Great video and another good reason why I will never by a Trek bike, way too proprietary.
Buy a pair of shoes that fit properly in the first place ! Then buy a Ferrari and put Holden or Ford parts on it !
Why did you spoiled that beautiful beast ? So cruel. 😔
Yup 😢
That stem is really annoying me with it pointing up
If you dont want it give it to me bro.
christ so just to replace the bar stem combo you have to rebuild the bike
I for one, would definately not want to ride a bike that may look nice but adjustabllity aspect crap. I'd spend money elsewhere. Who'd ride a ride whereby the bars cant be tilted or stem changed out easily, stupid design by Trek cycles. Like JW Kuilenburg says under 25mph it doesnt matter on aero.
برنس :D
Poor bike 😔
How to take a clean stunning design and completely trash it up 🤦🤦🤣🤣🤦🤦
should have just bought an emonda
Better yet, a Domane.
Sorry to say but i love this bike but what you have done is a joke if you have to do this so you csn ride it then buy a normal bike
Great design.......... not. How to take a simple bike and make it way overly complicated to do essentially the same thing as when bikes were simple.... sigh
Ma che cosa combina questo 🙄
Montare una pipa di quelle su una Madone....mah !!! Montata in positivo per giunta.
Queda horrible, buen trabajo pero no me gusta estéticamente
so stupid. and I like Trek, own an Emonda... but this is just insane
Horrible !
Non adjustable bikes are just plain silly. No ifs or buts about it. Pure nonsense.
it is adjustable, but the designer was designing a race bike not a hybrid bike which the owner need
... that looks really shit.
какой же это геморойный вел ..
Look awful now
Bike looks ugly now....
You took a Ferrari and made it a dam Hyundai 😭
Horrible 😬
🤮
WTF! What is the purpose to buy a super aero bike if youre not able to fit in an aero position? These kind of bikes, I maybe look rude when I say that, but you have to earn it. And not buy money! Just train, get fitter, get more flexible. This is just waisting money (or showing that you have money). Its exaclty the same things with sports cars that people can't drive properly.