Thank you. :) I'm happy I could help. I still want to do the review of Axe Machina and Hellrazer and then compare all of them. The work is not finished yet!
Absolute legend! This was amazing I’m going to listen to it a few more times. Like you said oden is incredible but it has too much high end for these sorts chugs
I'm so happy that it helped. I'm happy you guys pushed me to do this because I learned a lot with a very simple test. On the one hand, Odin, as great as it is, isn't great for this. The other one is how well Axe Machina behaved. It's really a pity that it doesn't have more articulations.
Great video, thanks for it! There seems to be some clipping on output or possible loopback from recording the screen / your mic that is altering the sound of II II II II, sort of messing with the ability to judge
Thank you. The mic and DAW tracks are independent. I probably messed up the gain of the channel when editing the video. My apologies, II II II II deserves better! :)
i think the velocities for the odin 3 might be too high in this comparison. but yeah i recently bought it and also am struggling to make it sound good/hoped it would sound better :/
Hi there, have you received the 3.1 update? If you're not getting your desired tones out of that, do hit us up by email and I'm sure we can figure out what may be going wrong
Olá! :) Estás a falar do Hellrazer, certo? Ainda é a minha guitarra favorita mas acho que vai perder o trono para o Odin 3 porque é muito pior com amp sims.
@@Ambitiouz_mindset You can always pitch down. These libraries do pitch their samples to reach lower notes. EDIT: I want to add that Kontakt has a built-in pitch knob at the upper right hand corner of the UI. Which also means that even though Axe Machina only goes down to F#, the sample can be pitched down further. Kontakt pitches down the samples, so, depending on the tone and clarity you're after, can work much better than a pitch effect.
@@antonm_ I didn’t notice the pitch effect on kontakt I’ll give it a go I used the Whammo pedal I own on metal v but I dropped it a whole octave and it just didn’t sounds great but again it could be the amp. I think I’ll try the 111111 amp
I think this shows pretty well the difference in clarity for 2 mono left and right dual sample sets, vs just a stereo out, or unfortunatley that not very good djaa mastaa phasing with the haas delay and no dual sample sets. Something I could offer for djaa mastaa. Have 1 instance, but split the audio to 2 tracks left and right. phase flip signal before the guitar amp and then flip it back before the cab on the right or left on one side. This could be enough to get a stereo sound without phasing or mono centering. Would much prefer 2 instances of 2 different mono sample sets or at least 2 different sample sets for left and right stereo out of the plug in. Some tone clarity can be achieved by knowing which notes are pitch shifted for low notes. Djaa has no pitch shifted stuff, they just got bigger strings and recorded super low. But, I could be wrong with this one. Just what I saw promoted. Axure is all pitch shifted under normal drop c, has thinner strings. Odin 2 and 3 have pitch shifted notes under drop F, lowest string is probably thicker. Axe machina is a drop A 7 string and the notes under drop A that are pitch shifted as well. These could factor into how you would dial in a tone imo, if you go for those low notes.
I didn't know that! Thank you for sharing that info. To be honest I was convinced Odin 3 and Axe Machina were not pitch shifted. Good to know! Regarding Djaa Maasta's dual tracking, that is a good idea. I've watched videos with this technique and the results are fine. Hopefully they come with a solution soon.
@@benjaminbovay10 the video I saw wasn't Reaper related but involved reamping the signal. If that's something you can do, I can search for the video but it is not a "in-the-box" solution as far as I know.
@synapticschism so, if you have a utility plug in before the amp that can flip phase. Then you either flip the cab phase in the cab section. Or imo the better option is to separate the cab to a separate instance and use that utility plug in before the cab, and after the amp to flip the phase back. The trick is that the amp will react differently to the signal being phase flipped, and as long as you flip the phase back after the amp. You will have more difference between left and right to create clean stereo, but not run into phase issues and no time delay issues. This is done for live guitar a bunch too, it's a nice way to get a clean stereo guitar from 1 guitar signal.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to do this comparison, really appreciate it ! 🙏🏼
My pleasure. It's a lot easier to create content when I get feedback. This video was created because there were questions on this topic.
@@synapticschism It's a pleasure to interact and help each other 🤝
Thank you for comparing all these libraries!!
Thank you. :) I'm happy I could help. I still want to do the review of Axe Machina and Hellrazer and then compare all of them. The work is not finished yet!
Djaa Maasta has been updated to have a real double tracking built in + new velocity layers, 8k more samples! 😎
Just saw the link in my email. Looking forward to testing it.
Absolute legend! This was amazing I’m going to listen to it a few more times. Like you said oden is incredible but it has too much high end for these sorts chugs
I'm so happy that it helped. I'm happy you guys pushed me to do this because I learned a lot with a very simple test. On the one hand, Odin, as great as it is, isn't great for this. The other one is how well Axe Machina behaved. It's really a pity that it doesn't have more articulations.
Great video, thanks for it! There seems to be some clipping on output or possible loopback from recording the screen / your mic that is altering the sound of II II II II, sort of messing with the ability to judge
Thank you. The mic and DAW tracks are independent. I probably messed up the gain of the channel when editing the video. My apologies, II II II II deserves better! :)
@@synapticschism It's ok I trust you will nail it in the next one
@@OTTOAUDIO nailing the sound has been an issue lately.
Nice test. Would have loved to see Impact Soundworks Hydra in this test
Thank you. I tried to find a way of contacting them but had no luck.
i think the velocities for the odin 3 might be too high in this comparison. but yeah i recently bought it and also am struggling to make it sound good/hoped it would sound better :/
They are working on some updates. For the time being I'm simply layering guitars to get the effect I want.
Hi there, have you received the 3.1 update? If you're not getting your desired tones out of that, do hit us up by email and I'm sure we can figure out what may be going wrong
O VST metalrazer da ample tbm debita uns bons graves ;)
Olá! :) Estás a falar do Hellrazer, certo? Ainda é a minha guitarra favorita mas acho que vai perder o trono para o Odin 3 porque é muito pior com amp sims.
good stuff! Only Shreddage 3 Hydra missing! ;)
Thank you, mate. Unfortunately, I don't have Shreddage 3 Hydra. :)
Hydra is absolutely amazing but it only goes down to E1
@@Ambitiouz_mindset You can always pitch down. These libraries do pitch their samples to reach lower notes.
EDIT: I want to add that Kontakt has a built-in pitch knob at the upper right hand corner of the UI. Which also means that even though Axe Machina only goes down to F#, the sample can be pitched down further. Kontakt pitches down the samples, so, depending on the tone and clarity you're after, can work much better than a pitch effect.
@@Ambitiouz_mindset I went to their site to try to contact them but wasn't able to. Do you have any contact from them so I can reach out?
@@antonm_ I didn’t notice the pitch effect on kontakt I’ll give it a go I used the Whammo pedal I own on metal v but I dropped it a whole octave and it just didn’t sounds great but again it could be the amp. I think I’ll try the 111111 amp
I think this shows pretty well the difference in clarity for 2 mono left and right dual sample sets, vs just a stereo out, or unfortunatley that not very good djaa mastaa phasing with the haas delay and no dual sample sets.
Something I could offer for djaa mastaa. Have 1 instance, but split the audio to 2 tracks left and right. phase flip signal before the guitar amp and then flip it back before the cab on the right or left on one side. This could be enough to get a stereo sound without phasing or mono centering.
Would much prefer 2 instances of 2 different mono sample sets or at least 2 different sample sets for left and right stereo out of the plug in.
Some tone clarity can be achieved by knowing which notes are pitch shifted for low notes.
Djaa has no pitch shifted stuff, they just got bigger strings and recorded super low. But, I could be wrong with this one. Just what I saw promoted.
Axure is all pitch shifted under normal drop c, has thinner strings.
Odin 2 and 3 have pitch shifted notes under drop F, lowest string is probably thicker.
Axe machina is a drop A 7 string and the notes under drop A that are pitch shifted as well.
These could factor into how you would dial in a tone imo, if you go for those low notes.
I didn't know that! Thank you for sharing that info. To be honest I was convinced Odin 3 and Axe Machina were not pitch shifted. Good to know!
Regarding Djaa Maasta's dual tracking, that is a good idea. I've watched videos with this technique and the results are fine. Hopefully they come with a solution soon.
That phase flip technique for Djaa Maasta is very interesting ! Do you have some specific videos to recommend to show how it's done with reaper ?
@@benjaminbovay10 the video I saw wasn't Reaper related but involved reamping the signal. If that's something you can do, I can search for the video but it is not a "in-the-box" solution as far as I know.
@@benjaminbovay10 search kohle audio stereo.
He has a video showing off how it works.
@synapticschism so, if you have a utility plug in before the amp that can flip phase. Then you either flip the cab phase in the cab section. Or imo the better option is to separate the cab to a separate instance and use that utility plug in before the cab, and after the amp to flip the phase back.
The trick is that the amp will react differently to the signal being phase flipped, and as long as you flip the phase back after the amp. You will have more difference between left and right to create clean stereo, but not run into phase issues and no time delay issues.
This is done for live guitar a bunch too, it's a nice way to get a clean stereo guitar from 1 guitar signal.