F1's BIZARRE wheel covers
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- A Formula 1 car with closed wheels looks as bizarre as you’d expect, as proven by Ferrari testing F1’s latest spray guards at Fiorano.
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Pitstops would be interesting.
That was my first thought as well.
Ferrari we are checking
Charles why is taking so long
Ferrari i dunno we’re still just checking
Charles NOOOOOOOOOO 🤣🤣
@@andrewsamson9603 On to plan G.
@@andrewsamson9603 KEKW
And how if there is driver want to go slick when it wet 😂😂😂😂😂. No cover for me please
I was there, funnily enough. Didn't look like it made any difference whatsoever to all of us watching
I don't understand how all the people involved with it can't understand it; it's not the tyres causing the spray; it is the diffuser at the back. It's like sticking a plaster to the Titanic.
@@BillyGoatBoy ofc the diffusor is producing most of the spray, but when u maybe reduce the spray by like 20 vor 30% its worth a try.
maybe it turns out to be more like 5% and is a waste. but still its worth a try.
@BillyGoatBoy they know. The video itself says, the diffuser cant be covered. So anything else that could help is worth a try
just curious, who was driving?
@@elliot4805 Arthur Leclerc was driving the car with wheel covers, and Oliver Bearman was driving the other.
The car with the wheel covers is from 2022, while the other is the current spec.
Congrats, you removed 90% of the spray from the wheels. Unfortunately, 80% of the spray comes from the underfloor and diffuser. Until they somehow figure out how to reduce that it won’t work
This is an exercise in futility, like trying to control the weather.
It is amazing to me that more people don’t understand this. The floors of these cars are a giant vacuum, so of course the spray is coming from the diffuser. The best fix to make racing in the rain better would be to get rid of ground effect, but that has its own drawbacks.
Well, we've gotten 18% reduction then, what we now need is some way to reduce the amount of water the diffuser sprays upwards, likely with a bolt on piece of carbon that deflects the upspray without actively improving the efficiency of the diffuser too much should take at least a few percentage points from the spray from the floor and potentially get us to about 2/3 to even 1/2 the spray we currently have.
@@xander1052 Yeah I’m just not sure how much that will affect the downforce level. We see how a tiny bit of floor damage can cost 3-4 tenths a lap, so any change to the diffuser could throw the balance way off and even make it dangerous. Loss of rear downforce in the wet could lead to some big shunts. I just think they should ignore the wheels for now and see if a diffuser lip is even feasible before they basically make an LMP car that still has 80% of the spray
@@xander1052lose the spray from downforce is losing the downforce. Can't push the car down without pulling air and moisture up.
"...whether racing in wet conditions is possible, or an unachievable dream"
I remember, in the distant past of ten years ago, we just... did it.
also 10 years ago in 2014, jules bianchi died in an extrem wet race, so maybe there is a good reason they are somewhat more careful these days.
@@Remidemmi96 but it wasn't the spray that was the problem, the track was so wet at that part that the cars kept aquaplaning which is why the tractor was their in the first place, getting rid of sutil's car after he did the exact same thing
@@Remidemmi96 Jules died not because of spray, but because of tow truck/safety car shenanigans. People will slide off in the wet. It will happen. What is avoidable is having a tow truck on track without a safety car or VSC
@@MentalParadox my point is, there are plenty of things they used to do or not be concernd about in terms of safty.
Raceing is always dangerous, raceing in extrem weather even more so. There are plenty of things F1 used to just do and not care about that were extremly dangerous, and its a small miracle that not more people died.
Also while spray may not have contributed to Jules death, it almost certainly did for Dilano van't Hoff in 2023. After crashing on the camel straight and ending up in the middle of the track, a following car drove into him at full speed being unable to see him in the spray, killing him on impact.
I was just as annoyed by spa 2021 as everyone else, but i dont want people to die for my entertainment.
Don't you understand cars 10 years ago didn't produce as much spray as the new cars?
It doesn't matter if theyre ugly, the point is testing whatever idea seems viable. Only with testing they'll understand what works, what doesn't, and how. They even need to test absurd ideas, like this one, just to be sure. It'd be problematic if they didn't.
Without testing, I already know that the diffuser is going to launch all the water anyway.
This is just silly. We can still see a thick cloud behind the car in the still shot.
The FIA is just waiting to see if the drivers like them, so they can ban tire guards too.
I don't care what it looks like in the end, as long as a solution is finally found that allows racing in the rain again.
Wheel covers won't help much, it's the spray caused by the diffusors that's the issue.
Also: I wonder how they are changing wheels with these things on.
I think the FIA knows more than us @@dezpotizmOFheaven
@dezpotizmOFheaven it's literally covered in the video🤦
@@tegarandikashthey don't say anything about pit stops?
@Klipik12 i was refering to his other point
I can look at those ugly covers for a race or two if it means I don't wait around waiting for a red flag to end & actually get to see some racing
way to many people care about what things look like now. like yall would rather have f1 cars taking 4 mins to get around a track as long as its not ugly
It reminds me of those Red Bull cars in Gran Turismo lol
Even those look better than this.
You can race in extreme wet now.
All the best races are when it rains.
Looks like it will be a mess if drivers bang wheels.
Ferrari said it doesn't make a damn difference in terms of visibility. Would slow the pitstops alot though
the thumbnail showing a massive rooster tail behind the wheel covers 🤣
Everytbing better than redflag
Yes but unless they find a way to integrate these into the wet tyre or make them as easy to fit as a front wing, the red flag will still happen anyway if they need to change to full wets mid-race, and there'll still be conditions where the wet tyres themselves will be inadequate, as we've seen in the past. So there will still be red flags.
As a newer F1 fan I'm all for unusual innovations. If they can make wheel flares that can clean up the chaotic mess around the wheels, I think it's worth it. Sure the diffuser throws up a helluva lot more than the wheels, but cleaning up the wheels could still make a good benefit.
Exactly
They don't know until they try. It might help or they might learn that other options are needed. I'm glad that they Arte testing,
You don't have to fully cover the diffusor. But you could hang a net kind of thing at the back of it. Not too small not to big netting, but just enough that a lot of water gets cought by it and that the air can flow through it.
The real question here is why does that Ferrari have the number 14 on it? That’s Alonso’s number and that isn’t a car from when he raced with Ferrari, it’s a much more current one.
reserve or test driver buddy. they dont test with the main drivers numbers, they put who ever is testing on the car.
i'm almost positive that it's arthur leclerc's number as the test driver
@@ShianAnChiou yup, it was Arthur. I’m just surprised they would or could use that number considering it’s taken by an active driver in another team. Also, if a test driver used certain other drivers numbers their fanboys would throw a fit.
@@errorcode503 it is the 2022 SF-75, but I was just pointing out it definitely wasn’t an Alonso era Ferrari that only carried that number for year anyway I believe. This was definitely a special deal and they even ran Bearman in a ‘24 behind him.
its a private test so whats the matter
What happens if rain starts in the middle of the race like Russia 2021
If they can't see, then a red flag. Which is what already happens. That would give them an opportunity to change I imagine
They will find a way to install it easily during a pit stop.
they will probably mandate some sort of mounting bracket so that every car can easily add or remove the covers
@@nelsongranzow1197 Firstly, that and the teams would surely come up with something to optimise the pit stops in the long term. In addition, the wet weather tyres are extremely durable, so that a race without stops might even be conceivable in a race that is completely held in the wet.
redflag, bolt on rain kit, restart the race. not that hard to imagine
Looks like we have zero F1 fans and a shitload prototype fans.
If it has fenders is not open wheel, is it?
Well most of the spray is caused by the ground effect concept of those cars, so covering the wheels won't do much i imagine
That's completely false. People say it as fact, then others regurgitate it as fact as well. The tyres throw hundreds of litres of water into the air every second. They are by far the primary cause of the airborne spray from the cars.
@@ryanokeefe12 well you can look at the pictures yourself and see, that it didn't make almost any difference. The entire purpose of the ground effect is to create low pressure and then be released by the diffuser...
@@tomasvolny9826 look at the photos a bit closer. While you're there, look up some info on the main contributor
@@ryanokeefe12wow wow wow. No! The full wets work through 70 Liters of water a second at above 200 kph. And from the footage filmed.. they don't work. Spray from the diffuser is what causes the biggest issue with wet weather racing. Before calling it false they don't work. Look at the Footage of the Ferrari's driving behind eacht other. It doesn't work. There is still spray. And a lot of it. Just imagine that with 20 cars close together
@@GPitstra37 Not only are you incorrect - you've made up a number (70 litres per second) and stated it as fact which has made you look ridiculous. One thing to note - you are close with your number (but still wrong), but you aren't considering that is PER TYRE. It's over 300 litres per second for the wet tyres.
Go and do some of your own research before you try to discredit what someone else is saying.. you'll soon see that what I'm saying isn't made up.
Look, it may be ugly, but if it means drivers will be able to race in the rain without crashes or just rolling around behind someone, it will be well worth it. Diffusers will still be an issue, but this can certainly help
It didn't even work and made changing tyre basically impossible. Standard FIA.
Don't really care about the looks. I love that they are actually digging into this so thoroughly! Probably will take a lot of time and many tries. Excited to see where this will go!
We all thought that the halo was ugly but have all been glad of its implementation due to it saving multiple lives.
We will get used to the looks of this too and rain racing is something that would be a lot of fun to watch, let's go with the option that makes racing safer and better. Function over form.
I don’t care, as long as we can race, the last time we had a proper wet race was in 2020 turkey
F1 is just becoming a meme at this point 😂
Even if they figured out the spray issue in super wet conditions, who wants to watch a downpour race let alone the drivers racing in those conditions its stupidity
The one with holes make f1 have some aura of cool style idk why
don’t call it bizarre if it actually improves wet weather racing
Those fully covered cases would overheat the brake wouldn’t they? No room for cool air to come in and move the hot air out
They have the body work and front wings have air channels to go past brakes for this. My guess is in wet the water will take some of the heat the “fenders “ would keep in. I don’t know if the openings in the rims allow for that much heat to escape.
Just my guess.
It's not one of the concepts. It's probably filled with sensors to detect how water is coming off the tires..
In the rain there is usually no problem with overheating brakes. You actually have to be careful that they don't get too cold.
So much water spray and slower racing will negate it. Also they have auro components outside of the wheel directing air to the brakes
An ugly car racing is prettier than 20 beautiful cars parked in a red flag.
I'm sorry, I'm love these. Obviously, they're in the prototype stage, but I'd love to imagine where wheel covers could go if the teams' aerodynamicists got their hands on them 😍
Don't kill me for this but I think it looks kinda cool.
The UK have tested road surfaces over the decades to come up with a non spray surface. Why don’t tracks follow the same route?🤷♂️
The wheels aren't even what kicks up 80% of the spray at high speeds, not just in f1 but every vehicle in existence, the chassis creating negative pressure behind the car and pulling water into the wake is what causes the spray, the only way wheel covers or mud flaps are useful is if the tires are kicking up mud which I don't think f1 has a problem with
If that means a rainy race in Spa can happen i can ignore the ugliness.
Tbh ill accept nearly any solution just let them race in the rain
Just put mini umbrella on each tyre with rainbow color😂😂
It makes no difference while making almost everything worse. Car gets heavier, more complex, worse looking. If it made a difference then they could have a case for it. But the current implementation is not addressing the problem. It's trying to mitigate a minor source of spray.
I don’t get why they treat tires as the main source of spray when it’s the massive uplift from the diffuser that’s doing the hard work
The "diffusers are the main reason for the spray" is a fallacy. Completely incorrect. The tyres are the main source of the spray. They throw hundreds of litres per second into the air.
I mean when the main issue is the diffuser when it comes to the spray covering the tires aint gonna do shit. You can see basically no difference in the photo of the 2 cars on track one with the covers and one without they look the same
Pitstop tjelens 🤣🤣
You call them "ugly options", but we came to accept the halo. I don't even notice it anymore.
Maybe track drainage will evolve faster than "water diffusers".
I mean if it works and can improve visibility for drivers AND security, sure it's ugly as f, but it might be worth it
the spray happens because water needs to be ...sprayed...away from the tires to have any hope for any sort of grip in the first place..
Not only do these covers need to reduce spray, but they will need to be fitted as quickly as a front wing or be integrated into the wet tyre so they can be fitted in a pit stop. The other option is they red flag it while everyone fits their wet package, another unnecessary race killer.
Interesting. But the spray from the diffuser is the bigger problem.
Still better than cancellation of the race or making few laps behind a safety car!
Which will still happen anyway, with or without covers. As we've seen many times, there can be conditions not even full wet tyres can deal with.
Usually, the best option is to not fight the issue, rather, work alongside it. So, a wet weather package should probably extend beyond the wheels, and the cars themselves, because the spray is not attached to the cars, but to the immediate environment.
So, if you really want to race, you identify where visibility is needed most, and you place components of that package in those areas in the environment - just as you're attempting to address the wheels with wheel covers.
Come up with your own examples. I'll give one or two off the top of my head:
1) seeing "through" a hurricane is easier when you're facing the direction of spray. You're probably just going to further atomize the water using on-car packaging, but that does present the feasibility of the option to blow the droplets down/into the exit/entry of a corner, breaking zone, pit wall, or what-have-you
2) some sort of track surface + subsurface system for areas that would reduce spray enough in key areas to make racing safer. So before every braking zone, a dividing wall, etc., the track has to be resurfaced, and maybe guttered somehow to keep the cars from throwing spray in those key areas.
Torn between open wheel racing and racing after 30 seconds of rain...
If the cover is blocking the spray, will the track dry slower? I know the announcers always say smthing like a bathtub/s is being dispersed.
I’d like this. More rain driving but the drivers can actually see when following. Well better anyway
Yeah wheel covers will never work. 90% of the water comes from the underbody aero not the wheels. You can keep the wheels open and still be good to go if you figure out how to redirect the water mist from the defuser
I don't really care for the looks, but much more for how they implement it in a race. Will a race be red flagged the moment it starts raining so everyone can bolt these on? And can they be removed quickly once circumstances get better? Sure, no one wants a repeat of the 2021 Spa non-race. But changing conditions and finding the right strategy for it is key to some of the best races we ever had. Would be a shame if these covers put an end to that.
FIA should just fully lean in and make the wet weather package a flat floor.
Now *that* would be interesting.
At the end it won't matter even if works as expected - amount of tire spray can be reduced by 80% but that only narrows down overall beam of spray slightly.
At the end of day one will simply have to accept that after X amount of water on track, racing stops (single run Q laps might be possible ofcourse in theory as there upper border of wetness is higher). Shifting inters into more interslicks territory and wets into more inter-wets territory is only solution since having "2nd window" for race (like monday or something) with massive logistics (teams and fans) involved isn't realistic option.
In my opinion this is the type of test you'd do to see that if you'd go all the way, extreme, if that would even have a decent impact. If not, then forget the idea completely.
We’ll have moved on from these regulations before wet weather guards are ready
As long as the spray pattern will be kept directly behind the previous car, a different line will be available, making close racing happen.
That's why all the work on keeping the turbulant airflows coming sideways of the cars is so important.
That turbulant airflow is what makes the whole track look like it is in a curtain of spray, in stead of just behind the cars only.
And for how you are stating these sentences:
racing in wet conditions has never been impossible (except for a few very heavy rainstorms happening at excactly the wrong time), drivers have to be allowed to take risks some times.
Only the teams who want to control and predict races to make sure they get their points and don't loose to much money and technology in accidents. (tech through foto's being able from undersides and stuff).
first off its NOT fully covered. that cover is something like a sieve, presumedly to allow air through and slow down the velocity of the water droplets. Fully covering the wheel would have made the car impossible to drive given the turbine and venturi effect that the spinning wheels would have generated.
secondly i don't think this is the answer anyway. I think narrower wheels for wet weather is what's needed.
But the cars are ground effect, so they suck up the water and throw it high up. As they are designed to do (also to reduce dirty air)
F1 is supposed to be at the pinnacle of open wheel racing.
Why would they need that, they are not even racing in rain😂😂😢
Almost like the red bull x-racer in gran turismo
The problem is the underfloor which usually sucks the car to ground, but here it also sucks the water from the ground
Yes, 2sec pitstops to 60secs. That will bring the field closer.... lol
3 years of engineering and they're coming up with covers for truck tires. Doesn't look like an easy task to become a true water bender
Looks should be irrelevant to the final design. Remember when people were calling the halo ugly?
It is ugly.
The halo is ugly.
you know its crazy.......f1 had no problem racing it wet conditions for 70 or so years? monsoon no, but anything above a light drizzle now its red flagged
It baffles me also. There were heavy rain races back when the cars themselves didn't spray as much water as current cars do. How come visibility is a race-stopping issue only nowadays?
@@Petidani0330 much more spray, basically
@@omsingh3982 Supposedly
It's down to the ground effect. The low pressure pocket of air under the car (which generates a lot of the down force) sucks water droplets off the ground, and spits them out the back of the car.
This causes there to be way more spray than what tires themselves cause. These tests are to see if removing tire spray helps enough to make it possible to race in the wet still
@@ninjaa003 you really think the cars before ground effect didn't spit up water on the track? lol I dont agree because they started the not racing in anything more than a drizzle BEFORE the reg change as well as now. plus the tire treads throw up most of the water up anyways
use mesh type of material than solid carbon fiber to build the cover or rain guard or something, that can reduce water spray .
Fit those, and I'll never watch another race. Utter insanity.
By the time the FIA is done with the mods to the cars, they won't even be cars anymore. Just take all the drivers off the track, put them in simulator rigs, and just tweak the water spray settings down to zero, while maintaining the wet traction settings.
I like it. It reminds me of the RedBull X1. It'd be nice to see every once in a while.
Who the hell watches F1 just because the cars look pretty?
Sauber's final boss:
This would significantly increase the time it takes for a track to dry tho....
Doesn't matter as long as we can racing in the rain again
In heavy rain they could transfer the drivers to simulators and AI can mimic the car and weather conditions to continue the race virtually.
So I guess everyone's an expert on diffuser spray all of a sudden
Even funnier when you realize that these covers don't actually improve anything.
Just no. They will still cry about grip and whoever is in charge will red flag it. This is not Masi anymore
The cars are moving insanely fast in the wet and they are only able to do so because the tires are displacing an absurd amount of water. Wheel covers are not going to make that water disappear.
I imagine that a whole front wing with a "mustache" in combo with the wet tires is a better solution.
That makes zero sense. at all.
The water blocker didn’t look ugly to me
At least they're having a good go at doing this. My one "law" would be that the drivers aren't put at risk (above and beyond the normal, not-so wet conditions) by being sent out onto a track which has standing water deep enough to cause aquaplaning. (Done that in an ordinary car. Never want to do it again! It's stuck with me for 41 years!)
If the track is too wet and could do that, I don't want them to fall into the "we've got the wet-weather package. What could possibly go wrong?" mentality.
Better drainage on the edges of the track would probably be safer all round. If such a track were still underwater, cancel the race.
They just reinvented the fender. 😭
My question is how pitstops would work with the wheel covers. Would the covers be on the tires themselves or bolted onto the cars beforehand? What is there’s no rain, will teams have to tell their drivers to box so they take them off?
Probably a simple solution to this but can’t really think of one and would like to hear anyone’s thoughts
How do they change tyres and put the covers on and off during a race
Hmm could be dangerous at high speeds from water being discharged up into the wheel covers causing lift
Better than a redflag
The RB X14 is probably the best case scenario..
And that don’t make sense anyways the tires are still going to get wet if the track is wet
Then you have the diffuser also spitting out all that water. There are some things that F1 just need to leave alone.
Does with the closed set of guard will reduce the power of brakes?
F1 should spend their time and money on creating a cohesive penalty routine.
When I saw this, it literally reminded me of the boot that gets clamped on to your car for parking where you shouldn't for too long, LOL. Innovation takes time, and if we don't want to see races shut down by "a little rain," let them innovate, let it look nuts, but let it work.
Trust me they will fit larger wheels to increase height and stop the ground effect...
Just red flag the race instead of committing that atrocity.
What a mess the HP logo has made the Ferrari livery... they should of used the laptop version of HP logo in white or silver
Curious buuuuuuut, what's the spray like behind an LMP1 car?
How does the track ever clear up without spray?