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- ro8 Match 2 - Dewalt (P) vs Yoon (Z), Part 1
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Didn't work for me, top comment for me was about the winner but you're doing God's work. Bless you friend
The Ruin v Scan counter in the Dewalt v Yoon matchup is pretty funny. Thanks for the cast!
29:45 crab spin :3
Haha what's going on there?
Just wanted to say thanks for all you do Arty. I haven't played SC in many, many years, yet I watch almost all the stuff you put out on CZcams. Maybe it's the Xan but I just felt extra thankful tonight to get my daily dose of Starcraft
Hi man ! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070
I've just recently started watching SC1 content, and so far, any game with Dewalt has been super interesting and exciting.
I love the zoom out to show the muta's sharking about around 9:00. That gave me such a good look at them trying to find a way in. Love this feature of remastered and hope you use it more often.
31:50 I don’t know why but this made me laugh so hard. I noticed the old score about a min prior, but then Artosis commenting about it randomly later caught me off guard. Too funny.
Love the fact that the Guardians look like the battleships of Shadows from Babylon 5.
Lol I remember being like 10 and thinking the same thing back in the day
That's almost certainly where the Guardian's art design comes from.
There's a lot of hidden Babylon 5 homages in this game.
My soul YEARNS for the rest of the series! RT such a tease to only publish one game....
Yeah seeing Dewalt playing like this such a good fight. On a different map this might had been a win for him.
I love this game! It's so exciting to see a game that's really different
Very impressed with Scan's zerg play here
Thanks for the fast uploads!
Man heartbreaking for dewalt, so many times it felt like he could have taken this game
That's literally any Protoss or Terran game vZ
You always look like you're about to win until you realize actually you were losing the eco game the whole time
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"You don't do anything for me at all." - Artosis to fans
Even Arty can’t resist spoiling :(
Dewalt played so well on this tournament. He even beat a couple of guys who were on ASL and is the only non korean players in top8
I'm surprised he lost. He played like a terran player.
yeah he is beast, at this rate he will be in ASL a year from now
Saber is chinese, technically non-korean
Dwight is doing better and better
nice spoiler!
what a amazing game!
I always thought ZVP is kinda favourable for guardians economy wise, but the slow speed makes it useless against storm.
This gonna be another banger! Only 10 seconds in posting this comment so I'm excited to see how it plays out between these 2.
I watch Dewalt on twitch sometimes. He seems chill.
Not skipping ads for arty
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am I crazy or was not taking that island base right next to his main a major mistake from dewalt? I feel like with the amount of storm drops he did was it really too much to spare 10 seconds to set up a nexus there?
Had the same thought, feels like it could have made a big difference if he had done it in the first half of the match.
Great game! Something for Yoo-n, something for Qmee-n =)
I don't think we did find that infected shuttle (definitely primary target, secondary would be corsair imo), toggling to zerg's player view would make finding where to box select quicker in the future. When people realize it forces the burden of a significant, multi-response decision that only has downside, I think we'll start seeing a queen anytime a zerg plays ZvP or ZvZ, especially on island maps.
Awesome game
When I saw him going mass Corsair at the end, I thought for a second that we might actually be seeing disruption web
Hi man ! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070
unique game largely due to the map. i actually really like this map for that very reason
know its a shitty map, but it opened a very interesting and different game. Super nice!
My favorite part was when Scan used his Psistorms.
Sick game, epic cast! Give us other games ArtyxD
crazy game
Wow.... what a game. I can't help but cry Zerg OP but still such a great game from both player. It's so hard to play PvZ at that level... Dewalt is one of the greatest.
why do i never see disruption web? it seems like it would be helpful ?
Are these games replayed from when Artosis was actively commentating or are these 2024 tournament?
Off topic, but i appreciate Arty pronouncing XiaoShuai correctly this time.
Nice intense fighting game, i hate troy but love the asymmetry it delivers. it's truly a struggle out here.
Those templar drops were sick. I actually didn't even know there was a counter at all till you pointed it out.
I usually get annoyed the player names are sometimes random throwaway accounts like IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII or something so I stopped looking at UI.
In terms of map tactics, it felt weird that neither P nor Z destroyed the assimilators to the Z main after the Z expo was breached. (E.g. P had opportunities to do so at 16:15 and 22:30.) Surely leaving the assimilator route open favors one player, so the other player should shut off this route?
I had the same thought.
I think P should have, but kept the wishful desire to bomb in 'soon' but soon never came?
I wonder when it becomes worthwhile to get shields instead of armor. Usually armor is better, because the hydras and lings will be hitting hull a lot more than shields (since units have more HP than shields, have base armor, and zealots reduce explosive damage to HP by half). So you get a lot more damage reduction via armor upgrades. They're also cheaper: 175/175 for armor lvl 2 vs 200/200 for shields lvl 1.
I assume shield upgrades only make more sense if you have a significant air force, or a ton of archons, or if for some reason you really need to level up your cannons, or some combination of the three. But none of that really applied this game, so shields over armor seems weird.
hell ya cnsl baby
Good use of Guardians, a group of 10 would be more effective to kill off the base quicker.
Scouts would totally be the Guardian counter, if the (1) didn't need an expensive upgrade to outrun Scourge (2) that upgrade didn't need a super expensive building to make (3) Scouts themselves weren't super expensive
Dewalt not taking his own island base the entire game was such a weird decision. I don't understand his expansion choices at all.
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SOULKEY V SNOW WAS "PRETTY GOOD" TOO?!
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Can't toss make assimilators to unblock the expansions?
no
Nice game..
I expected to hear arty yell at DeWalt for not creating a proxy 2 gate on troy!
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Do you think recall could have worked this game?
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Couldn't you have hidden Dewalt's vision to see only Yoon's vision to spot the unit that was parasite'd?
Scan is so good he 2-1'd people he's not even playing
big mistake around 17:00 for not taking out the zerg main and for not expanding in 3 o clock
@6:26 commando ling 😂
I think if Zergs start to go Guardians, maybe we could see Scouts at some point? I'll keep dreaming
Parasite Archons seems like a good move. Protoss have just 2 options to counter the parasite, send the unit away from the army or kill it.
A less valuable unit, like a zelot, yeah, just kill it, or send it away..... but, will you kill an archon? ... it's too critical of a unit, and protoss absolutely want that unit in the army.
Seems like protoss either lose a very powerful unity in this matchup, or reveals it's army position at all times..... though call.
Drop that archon on drones. In shuttle parasite does not work right?
D Web is criminally under used on island maps like Troy! Had Dewalt researched it before doom dropping an island base, it would have been a fairly easy win.
Idk about fairly easy... more like incredibly difficult but slightly possible to use D web with reaver / HT Shuttle
29:45
It's too bad that Troy is such an issue TvP, because it certainly does force some interesting ideas in other matchups.
Can't protoss just build new Assimilators?
15:49 / 32:47
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21:42 / 32:47 depleted
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What a game 1. This is why I support Dewalt.
Yoon bringing back a pre-brood war strat because the situation called for it is hard to not like
Guardian ZvP is like VANILLA starcraft type stuff
Love DeWalt, but he got out played
When I realized 4 upgraded lings could trounce an upgraded zealot. Yup.
Gg
Spoilers.
This is the sort of game that leads me to thinking hyper upgrade 3 nexus rush with templar dark and light spam, SHOULD be a part of the Protoss tool kit. Lots of the earlymid-mid-midlate phase of the game spent waffling and dithering around.
Man. tough lose for Dewalt. would be cool to see d-web + carriers if the zerg made a bunch of islands. dark swarm? who cares. hydras can't shoot. kill all the buildings and move on. That's a big investment i guess. I wonder why Dewalt didn't take the island to the west of his main and the 12:00 then you can kind of float there and defend drops maybe. I dunno. I play terran so not my favourite map. TvP cross spawn 2 gate=auto lose.
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seriously that double darkswarm drop is just all kinds of disgusting .. i mean aside from storm and zealots how else are you supposed to counter that?
... don´t get me started with terran ...
That I've watched that Ultra game like 2 or 3 times, that was fucking magical. I really want to see more ZvPs that are like that even if it isn't exactly uh... optimal?
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DeWalt played very well for such a janky memeworthy map. They really need to stop using this goofy map though. Arty said it himself that zerg don't even care if the assimilators get killed.
I'm still surprised there isn't an ai that can trash most players. Just by virtue of not needing to split it's attention span I'd think a bot would have a decent advantage, like look at stockfish with chess, it's already beyond any human players abilities and that's without any machine learning cuz it got beaten down by the ML algorithms.
Starcraft is a much much much more complex game than chess. Just teaching an AI how to micro goons is uh, a big ask.
PROOOOOOOOOTOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
27:22 "... but there is an archon in here so he is going to be able to.... well you can see that two cracklings kill an archon under dark swarm, so..."
ZERG IS SOOOOO OVERPOWERED!! Early game aggression, mid game aggression, late game spells that basically make your units invincible! Mutas which can pretty much end the game of a player doing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING right, etc.
That map is so stupid
A pity Dewalt eventually lost series. Looks like he is still not good enough to beat good korean pros.
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I think I just watch brood war matches in the hopes to see Protoss players lose.
Such a garbage map.
Ruin 1, Scan 2, Arty gay
Yes, Yoon won. I'm happy as a Zerg player. Does the map layout helps? Yeah, that top left base never got touched.
Troy is still a shit map.
When you say "russian" you make mistake in word "terroris"
Hi all! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070 win10
I'd love to see Feedback or Mind Control against those drops, but I guess it isn't viable at all?
😂prot.noob... Wasting res on anything but the true nemesis of guardians... Le dark archon❤
Dark archon? For what maelstrom? It's100 energy, so you only get like 2 the whole game. It's better to just get 5 or so sairs and you can continuously use them the whole game for scouting and catching overlords and zoning.
You are one who is noob. Dark archon counters mutalisks, not guardians.
@@ObeliskM Yeah... I think getting an additional 3-4 sairs was the right call for dewalt. You can continuously use them to scout and kill overlords too. Cuz like if the Gaurds are spread out you waste literally 2 dts worth, plus the upgrade for maelstrom, plus at max you can only cast it twice. The reason why vs Muta it's so good is because they CLUMP up. Gaurdians Do not clump up :)