Retro Rules! Modern is superficial and weak. I like the immediacy of the game loading up right away, no updates, no connection to the corporate machine. Retro games had colorful art direction, and the music was more focused on catchy melodies rather than the ambient sounds of today. Also they were made by smaller development teams so they were kind of like independent films. Modern games would use the same people to just do qa testing, or render hair and skin pores all day. You got a more complete experience that is not gutted out for microtransactions, and battle passes. Games were also difficult back then because the players demanded it to get their moneys worth. To overcome Shinobi or Castlevania is to feel like a hero.
@@tr1bes We have so many distractions now. To a certain extent I can live with it. There are some games like sonic 06, where I swear the excessive loading is a coding mistake.
Had to pin your comment because you made an extremely compelling comment in the favor of retro. I assume most people know that it's Jenn that responds to all the comments and while I will probably always sway towards modern your counterpoints were spot on!
@@popculturehero ahhh dude, I wish we were going to SEGE this year. Sadly we can't make it happen. Travelling from East Coast Canada to Greenville SC is not cheap :(
When she said in the beginning that she prefers to only play games once and that's it. She ruined her whole argument. Who wants to buy a system to buy games they will only play one time and not want to play it again. Gamers played and replayed games again and again. We are still playing the games today. That says a lot in the benefit of Retro gaming.
I think the problem for me is that we have so many games that the idea of playing anything more than once (Retro or Modern) means something in our collection will never get played so I typically only ever play a game once. The only exception to the rule which completely destroys my whole argument is high score games which tend to be mostly Atari. Those I do play more than once because I'm trying to get a higher score. Thanks so much for your comment. I really appreciate it
@@RetroRivals That is a good argument, but if you play a game more than once, that means you have games you enjoy so much more. I love the last of us and I would play it more than once, but it's more that I would play games like Super Mario Bros. 3 far more, or say any fighting games, especially with friends. The games made that more options available, but the classic hits NEVER DIE
Umhh. Uncharted series. I beat it and never look back. Street of Rage 2. Oh yeah, keep it going baby. Although I do play Helldiver 1 constantly like playing Contra without knowing how many times i beat the mission over and over with different loadouts. That's modern game.
I don't think your counter to her argument is an objective counterargument. You make it sound like the vast majority of people replay games. The insinuation that one only opens his/her wallet to purchase a game is based on if they will replay it later and that doing so, it's unique to retro games because they are that good is a stretch. Lol.
There are so many modern games that are going to be classics equal to the loved retro games. Examples-- Persona 5, Last of Us, RE4 Remake, etc.. this video is awesome, but in the back of my mind I'm always laughing because people growing up now will love the PS5 as much as PS1 lovers. It's just a cycle of awesome stuff, that's why I collect it all and go insane and have no money lol
So very true! Our son grew up playing a little bit of everything, but his first console was an Xbox 360. I haven't asked him, but he probably considers that retro at this point. He also bleeds green and hates blue. You can't get that child to play a PlayStation to save his life.
Just discovered my psp go. Finally fulfilled a childhood want and jailbroke it. For the most part I just have games downloaded on it for now but once my new backplate comes in I’ll open it up and replace the battery and storage capacity by installing an M2 to SD card adapter. It’s the last piece I’m currently waiting for so I can finish upgrading the hardware. Can’t explain how excited I am. I can play gran turismo for psp again ON a psp with upgraded battery life and 128 gbs of storage. I also played Persona 5 when it came out and it’s the first JRPG I’ve come to fall in love with. Currently playing Persona 1 on my psp. Personally retro is killing it right now especially since my internet is garbage atm.
@@theprophet9428 That's awesome! I would love to do the same with mine to play those games that are just out of reach price wise. Internet being garbage makes me so incredibly sad for ya. We live in an age that this should not be a problem or a barrier to playing. Super sucks 😔
I can't believe Scott didn't mention modern games being broken at launch. Cyberpunk took a year for them to iron out all the bugs. Retro gaming is the best. But it's hard to remove nostalgia from the debate. We probably need Xbox vs PlayStation, Sega vs SNES, and physical vs digital. Great video guys
Absolutely valid point on Modern games being broken at launch! That's the biggest piss off right now as well as the digital push. Definitely going to explore Xbox versus PlayStation and Sega versus SNES. That's pretty easy for us because we are on either side of the line with that one. As far as physical versus digital Scott and Alex kind of already did that, but it makes me think that we could Branch out with other creators and have a versus with people that might think differently than we do. As long as we can keep it fun and entertaining.
This one was a lot of fun! I might have to side with Scott here (and not just because we share the same first name). I've got my question for you all set in my new video tomorrow (Jun. 18th)
@@RetroRivalsone thing for modern consoles is where you need to buy gift cards in order to play the games that is on gamepass or PS+ cuz you have to waste money on the gift cards. While retro consoles don't. Also those gift cards let's you play online for a month. That's why I prefer retro consoles over modern consoles.
I've gotta chime in on the games.. I just wrapped up my 7th 100% playthrough of days gone... modern perfection. So modern games can definitely have that repaly value, with that said it's definitely rare. Modern games that make you want to play them over and over are an anomaly. As for retro I've beaten pikmin over 20 times as well as super mario rpg, plus dozens more. Retro games have a charm that modern games rarely can capture. This was a great video really enjoyed it
I loved Days Gone. Absolutely a gem. I could play that over and over again as well BUT I get what you're saying. I bet if we asked most gamers they would replay retro over modern the majority of the time.
I quite like the modern take on retro games, titles like Huntdown, Blasphemous and Moonrider for example are perfect examples.They have more animations and fidelity, but the visual style still has that throwback to the old pixel games. I like the old consoles as well, but i feel we got more choices as a consumer these days. Love the discussion guys, in the end we can't go wrong with either retro or modern gaming 😃
OMG Huntdown was AMAZING! It's one of my favorite retro inspired couch co-op games. I totally agree though, whether it's retro or modern, just being able to play games is the best part!
Even though I also have Retro in my game channel, I also prefer modern gaming. I love old school, retro games but I think modern games are so much better when it comes to graphics, online play, and innovative and improved gaming mechanics. I also agree with your argument about why retro games were replayed so much, Jen. They made them hard as balls because they were essentially 1 hour long. You needed to get your money's worth. I also will typically beat a modern game once and move on because there are so many awesome games to play (modern and retro at that) that I can't keep replaying the same game. The backlog struggle! Great video!
Thanks you! We have the exact same mindset. I really really like retro BUT modern is just so much more accessible...at least imo. The backlog gives me daily mental anguish. I worry about getting around to playing all of them and know that I likely won't.
16 bit era will never age, you can look at uncharted 1 and it looks dated. 1. Loading times were introduced by modern gaming. (There were no loading screens on catridges) 2. Moder games get finished 2 years after updating like about 200gb. 3. Some modern games will not work if no internet is available. Now, i will give it to modern hardware for making gaming tidier and able to adapt to any era (plus upscaling tech)
Well, it's hard for me to argue all those facts. Never even thought about the fact that carts had no load screens which is what I think most people consider retro across the board. Uncharted one awfully rough looking now but I guess we'll have to wait for a remake LOL 🤣🤣🤣
@@RetroRivals Indeed, plus the game always came complete w all costumes, side missions, etc........ Not this bull of adding stuff later. Which im starting to question this aproach of dlc later on the road, cause now theyre willing to sell this complete/gold edition w the damm dlc on disc. They're contradictory to themselves.
Ooofff, this is a hard one, I grew up on Retro game's, as I've said on posts on Facebook, my first game console was not one but 2 in the same year for Christmas, either 1979, or 1980, which was both the Sears Brand Atari 2600, and Mattels Intellivision. That being said, well I do love my retro consoles, I also love modern, but retro consoles paved the way for today's modern. All consoles over time break down, but modern seems to break down way more often than retro, you can drop an N64 and will still play great, you drop a modern console, and breaks more easily. Yes the graphics are have come a long way since the retro day's, and with modern you now have voice actor's that help flesh out the character a lot more than retro, but retro still has a very nostalgic feeling to each character that you invested alot of imagination and love for those characters, I have no problem reading every text as it comes onto the screen, I also won't skip over cut scenes on modern, cause you never know what's going to be said, or that it might help with the story on how it's played, I know that might not make a lot of sense, but I love watching the cut scenes, but only if it's a new scene that I haven't seen before, if I die in modern game's, and it repeats the cut scene, I will definitely skip it, but if it's a retro game I almost never skip the scenes where you're reading text on what they say, almost never, sometimes I do. I do play more modern console games than retro but from time to time, I will still play my retro games. I would say in the last 5 years, I started playing retro game's again, only because of a friend of mine who I met at UPS where I work ,he got me back into retro gaming, before that it was modern only, but still never forgot about retro gaming, as that is where I got my start. I'm a Gen Xer, born in 1971, and grew up with playing arcade games before playing on consoles, but like I said I play more modern game's than retro. I will admit one thing, I do not like where the next Gen consoles are heading, I do not care for digital download, as I'm a physical copy gamer, than digital gamer. When the PS6 does come out, I will not be buying it, unless they continue with physical copies, which sadly we all know they won't, sad because nobody owns a digital copy, they are only renting it, I'm not like the kids today, who will beat today's games or finish today's game's in a week or less, and don't care they don't own a digital and are only renting it, cause in their minds they don't care to replay a game they beat 5 or 10 year's ago. That's another reason I love retro consoles, cause their all physical game's, and may beat a game, and 5 to 10 year's later, want to play that game again so yes, I love modern gaming, but still love my retro game's
My son and I were actually having a conversation on the next gen consoles just a few days ago. At the point when modern consoles go all digital, I'm absolutely done supporting them. That's the greatest part about Retro gaming is that we know those carts will work and they'll always be ours. I'm not a PC gamer but at the point when we go all digital then I'll likely just start supporting steam and pick up what I have to play for my gaming PC. If I didn't already have one for editing videos then I likely would just skip new games entirely in the all digital era and be happy with what I have.
@RetroRivals , I totally agree, I'm not a PC gamer, never have been, yes I did play some pc game's like Oregon Trail, and Pac -Man, on the computers at my elementary school back in the day, and my friends dad had a PC he mostly used for work, he did have a game called Snooper Troops, which was ok and all, but through and through I'm a console gamer. I think it's sad that the next Gen consoles will be digital only, which in my opinion is a huge scam, because of what I said, you don't own digital you rent them, and I stand by this statement, so I'll be continuing to collect retro game's, from cartridges to disc game's, i.e PS1,2,3,4 and 5, I've never owned a GameCube nor an Xbox, but who knows that might change, kids of today and the future might think we are crazy for not supporting digital download games, but they will never know, or understand what's it's like to own a physical copy, unless their parents are retro gamers, and educate them on physical copies. I too might think about buying a Steam Deck, and or the Asus ROG Ally, and play game's on emulation, maybe, who knows, first I need to but myself a Nintendo Switch, and start collecting those game's
Jenn…I love you but Modern gaming is far worse off than Retro and will only get worse once the digital age completely replaces physical. The fact that you don’t own any games anymore and all the updates makes retro the king forever.
Alex and I had a discussion about that. The big digital push kills me and at that point I'll probably say screw it to next gen consoles and get a PC. Retro is always there though and I gotta admit, as a gamer that gives me some relief for the future when it comes to being and continuing to be a gamer
Retro got owned! And you can’t say people won’t go back and play when it has not being enough time to tell. 100% people will go back to play stuff like dragon quest 11, last of us, Elden ring, bloodborn, Mario wonder, Zelda totk
How did Retro get owned lol, cuz she said the games were cheaper lol. Big deal. PS3 games & that's an old console now since 2006. People aren't playing that because nobody plays online anymore on that. Same will happen with the PS4 once the PS6 come out etc. Nobody is going to play Mario Wonder when years have past lol.
I think we have a lot of pretty compelling comments defending each. While I typically don't play any game more than once it's more to do with the sheer volume of games we have. It makes me so sad to think that a game in our collection will never get played but I guess that's the reality of the collector.
@@tonyp9313 I certainly give you online. It's something I don't care about because I'm 43 and already fight with a teenager in my house, I don't want to do it online as well.
Finish Her!!! 😂 Great video you two! You definitely had me cracking up. It’s tough to say but I’m pretty much ride the line between the two. Really depends on the game and my situation. You know I love both so it’s hard to choose but retro is gold! Fantastic video guys!
There's huge pros and cons on both sides. Scott brought the heat and I think he won this one BUT I'll be bringing my A game and doing research for the next one. In the end if you're gaming no matter how you do it, you're winning! Except for those PC Master Race people LOL
haha Jenn with the retro Turtles shirt when fighting for modern! classic. It's true , I would most likely play a retro game over and over compared to a modern game, Scott definitely gets that point! It's that style of quick plug and play , whereas modern is more of a story telling experience , I could play like 5 cartridge retro games in the time it takes a modern game to fully install on the system with all the patches. I agree with some of the games being repayable such as The last of us, since it's not a super long game, but also that first came out on ps3, which is 15+ years ago so that counts as retro now. I know some will argue it's not but 3 generations back is definitely retro , if a kid was 5 years old when it came out and now is in their 20's it is definitely retro. Points against certain retro eras like ps1/ps2 was the damn loading times , those consoles are sometimes hard to play now., and their memory cards lol. One thing that was so cool about retro is we used to get different versions of a game on different consoles for example turtles in time /hyperstonen heist, aladdin , ps2 wrestling games/ gamecube wrestling games etc.. I actually like the N64 controller, the controller I never liked was the Gamecube controller lol, I always hated the plastic cheap feeling trigger buttons. For me, the SNES controller is the greatest controller of all time and changed how everyone else made controllers. However I loved the ps3/ps4 controller. I agree the charging sucks for controllers , but the wireless aspects are awesome. I agree it's cool that modern consoles can play retro inspired games. Also got to give the point to Jenn for the accessibitly options for people. I would have to argue with Scott there are a lot of modern games that people love, Persona 5, Yakuza like a dragon , RE evil remakes etc.. I got to ask Jenn how often do you play your Xbox series x? hahah, and I say this as someone who hardly plays his. How many of these modern games will even work in 10-15 years ? Also back then the games that were released were complete, you didn't have to worry about patches and worry about them removing stuff. Nailed the head over the Woke stuff, this whole Sweetbaby inc crap is annoying. I say let the developers make what they want without outside interference. great video, but that best part is we don't have to chose, we can enjoy both, as I know both of you do. For me if I want a quick session of gaming under 30 mins, I prefer to play a retro game, in and out otherwise I do go more modern. it was also nice to know we actually owned the retro games, the whole game was on disc or cart , whereas now the discs are mainly just to check if you own the game before downloading it. Either way I say it's great we all have a choice to game how we want to game for now.
What a thoughtful comment. You know how much I always appreciate that. The concept of what is retro and what is not is so hard to pin down. 15 years makes sense. We are somewhere between 15-20 ourselves too. Retro is an easy pick up and play. Totally! Gotta agree on that. The save states have it for me though with modern. It makes it so that I can play for an hour. That's my only opposition there. As for how often I play XBSX.... 😂 Well, not a lot because if I play an Xbox game and very few are exclusive to that console then I play it on the One and save the exclusive games for that system. So, not that often 😜🤣 Fair point! And yes, at the end of the day just making the time to have fun gaming is the most important thing. No matter how you do it ❤️
True, save states are awesome but that's certain games , but if you use neweer hardware to play retro like I do for snes/genesis/turbo grafx/nes it allows you to save state any time via retro freak , I love that machine . Also true, last of us maybe PS3 but it came out 2013 so that's not quiet 15 years yet so I'll give you that one too 😊. @@RetroRivals
Cool argumentative conversation starter. Personally Scott won the argument but I feel Jen was on the right side. One of the games discussed for loving modern games was the last of us. One of the coolest part of last of us was the fact it was a ps3 game upscaled to modern tvs , think about all of the retro games coming on ps1/ps2 NES/snes/n64 being updated to today’s hardware because it’s better and more convenient as well. That’s my argument for modern gaming. I’m weird I know it cause I love sports gaming and I have to love the old retro games cause they generally don’t port to modern consoles due to licensing so it’s a win for retro. There is also some odd ball old retro games that no one would ever even have known to play today .
I gotta give the W to Scott as well. Just the comment section alone demanded it. I know retrotink is a good option for upscaling but it's so damn expensive. And yes licensing makes porting those older sports games so hard.
I will never fault a game/console for being limited by the technology of the time. In 1991 Super Mario World was peak graphics, just like the last of us was when it came out on PS3. So, I think you can't compare them head to head. I will say this as my only argument. When I think about games, like what are critically the best games of all time, what games do I want to play this weekend, what are my favorite games, When I GO TO THE GAME STORE what's the first section I go to? The answer is Retro games.
I think that's a good way to think about it. When you first walk into the game store your loyalties lay in the first section you go. Mines PS4 lol 🤣 and Scott's is PS1, accurate!
You know I love both, but I always lean retro. I feel like 90% of Jenn's arguments weren't very good. One major thing you guys missed that gives retro an edge is that modern games constantly need patches, especially day one. There are some retro games with broken mechanics, but the vast majority were always ready to play day 1 because they couldn't be patched. Games are constantly rushed out nowadays because people have zero patience.
90% of my arguments on any given day aren't good 😂😂😂 It's a fact I'm used to. We went off the cuff with the versus debate but Im coming with notes next time and I'll be taking no prisoners lol
I think retro has much more variation and unique games which keeps things interesting. There is always a new gem to find. Modern games are all rehashed ideas again and again. Last of us, last of us remastered and last of us remastered again. How is a 11 year old idea with a new coat of paint modern? Not even to mention the current generation. I have seen desserts with more variation than the current generation games. It’s either live service or indy(which face it is modern retro) with some double AA games that are worth your time. Except for hell diver 2 my ps5 is pretty much a ps4 emulator at this point. What is awesome is my xbox one x with all the upgrades on all the xbox and xbox 360 games through backwards compatibility. That is the stuff dreams are made of. Love it! Also loved this rival vid it got me all fired up on this rant😂
So happy you loved the video and my biggest takeaway from your comment which made me take pause was indie being the equivalent of modern retro and you know what you're not wrong! Maybe that's why I love it so much because it's got a certain charm that is missing from a AAA title game. Quit making me think. It hurts my brain LOL 🤣
I can’t lie, I’m way in the modern>retro camp lol. Especially if future games are categorized under modern… I’ll give up everything to make sure I’m able to play GTA 6, RE9, Mass Effect 5, etc lol. Jen, I also think our preference for narrative driven games kinda pushes us towards modern, and also it prolly pushes us away from replaying games. Because once I’ve seen a story to its conclusion, I rarely have interest in returning to it… even if I adore the game.
You honestly totally hit the nail on the head! That's exactly what I'm in it for and I'm so pumped for RE9. I heard they are bringing back the Director Koshi Nakanishi from RE7.
Retro Consoles are a whole lot better. You have more options. You can play with a normal controller, they have wireless controllers & best yet that everyone seems to forget you can play with Turbo controllers. What's even a lot better now is that they sell Ever Drives to play any game & have 100's of games on a SD card to play that on your original console. Also with Retro games, if a game is too hard, you can now play them with save states. Or like back in the day put Game Genie Codes or codes that are in the game if you want an easier gaming exp. Modern gaming: Too much system updates, got to wait to download you game 20 min to 2 hours at times. No cheat codes what so ever to make the games easier. You can only play with 1 type of controller, wireless normal ones. Then the games themselves are way too long 20-100 hours depending on what games you do play. I will replay Golden Axe & many of these types of retro games over & over because they are 1 hour or less. The Last of US 2 which is a great PS4 game, I've played that & beaten that only once for a 30 hour game. No way am I replaying The Last of US 2 or any modern game like God of War, Uncharted, Red Dead Redemption 2 the Assassin Creed games over & over again.
We have a few everdrives and they are amazing. I would never have been able to play Sweet Home without it because it's a homebrew and not a game we ever see. Now just to add fuel to the fire, would an Everdrive be considered modern? Are we essentially using it to modernize retro gaming? Controllers are a tough one. There's more than one controller for modern systems. We have many for our switch. Defender, 8 bitdo, Switch Pro and Hori Split pad. Cheat codes were taken out in favor of choosing difficulty level so same thing kind of. Can I just say how happy I am though that you loved The Last of Us 2? We both adored that game and it got a lot of undue hate. I really appreciate your comment and you make a lot of good points. Also, Golden Axe is a great game as well. Scott and I played it co-op together, beat it and had a blast doing it!
@@RetroRivals Yeah I think we are modernizing retro games when we play with Mega Everdrives because they make the games Super easy by giving us save states & even more Game Genie Codes to put in. Lets take away the Everdrives & I will still show you how much easier a retro games is compared to a modern game. 2 games to compare. Contra vs Cuphead. 2 very hard games right? How do I make these games easier? Well for contra I can use a Turbo controller. That makes it a lot easier because now I can fire more of my shot continuously. I can use the 30 lives code I input from my controller. I can also use a game Genie with it to give me unlimited lives etc. How Cuphead easier though? Oh yeah that's right you can't. Yeah I beat it. It was really annoying. I think my death count was something like 500+ deaths. Don't remember the exact number but it was really high. I can use these examples for other retro games. Retro gives you more options for gameplay & easier too.
Honestly, as much as I lean modern it would be hard for me to absolutely throw away retro. Some of my favorite games are retro but it was a fun fight all the same even though it looks like I definitely lost 😜
I love all gaming. The line for what is retro keeps moving. So eventually Retro will win in the end because of the direction developers, publishers, and the big 3 are headed, is not pro consumer. While I like pretty graphics, it is a quick fix and can not compare to games where the majority of the budget was spent on the story.
You make an excellent argument there Moandain! We are moving towards an era of gaming that will probably have retro winning in the end. It's a sad state of chasing record profits over make a quality experience for the consumer. Graphics will always be second to story. Truth!
Online gaming & storage space are the only things that are better on Modern consoles. That's it. That came out with the PS4 actually to have a virtual library. Before that when I bought Earthworm Jim HD I had to keep that on my console. Deleted it & now it's gone forever because they lacked a cloud system in the PS3 days when you bought games digitally. Online play very important. So I can play a hockey game at home vs my friend who is at his house. This saves a lot of time. Or you play a online coop game. Talk through a party chat on PS4 with Head sets. Nintendo not the same for whatever reason. You got to use your cell phone along with the systems to play online if you want to communicate to each other which that is really important. You don't have to but it's better you do. Comparing this to couch coop or vs, I would say it's worse. If you can I recommend going to a person's house with 2-3 friends to play video games together all in 1 room. You'll play on 1 system 1 tv & you won't have to worry about lag. Since as adults we don't have time to hook up with friends because of the different work schedule I say online is a huge part of gaming now.
That's the one thing we never utilize as far as modern gaming goes is any online gaming. We prefer couch co-op and at the very least we'll do a system link or Scott will play with our son. on separate consoles online but in the same room.
@@RetroRivals Right. I love Couch coop as well because it's a lot simpler, things will work 100% of the time because of 0 lag & most importantly you see your friends for socializing. However it is a lot harder to hang with our friends with different work schedules & the fact everyone wants to relax & be by themselves when they have 2 days off work. This was never a problem when I was a kid or Young Adult barely working.
@@tonyp9313 We somehow got really lucky with being able to get together and hang out with our friends and play games. It might be our age because our kids are all grown now which probably helps a lot
If I had to choose one I'd go with retro every time. Grab a game put it in and play. Done. Modern - update your console, controller, game and then wait for an install and probably another update.
You're absolutely right about that. The convenience of picking up and playing and not having to do all the extra stuff is well worth the price of admission for retro
Just getting caught up on videos finally! I mean… I’m all about the Retro… So I vote Retro, all in. 😂😅. I honestly don’t enjoy modern games as much. I only play a couple and can’t seem to get hooked into them like I can retro stuff. Personal preference I guess. Great video and super fun to watch!
Totally expected you'd vote Retro and honestly, I get it. There is a certain charm there and while I tend to play more modern, I do love retro as well :) Thanks so much for watching and commenting
Modern wins and it isnt even close. There is no way people will convince me that there are better retro games than TLOU Part 1&2, Control, AW2, God Of War, Returnal etc... I do like Retro, but I must stress, that if there is no nostalgia tied to retro, then its just okay. When I hear folk sayin SuperMarioBros3 is the best game of all-time, it baffles me. Sure it is there opinion, but take nostalgia out of the mix and its a good platformer. Prime example, MetroidDread is head and shoulders above SuperMetroid. But Super will always be ranked higher due to nostalgia. Controllers is a modern win, all day long. Woke culture is just a thing we gotta live with sadly. I recently heard someone say somthing about Lev's character being force in TheLastOfUsPart2...I did not feel that because there is a story behind that character and they way that she is portrayed & the struggle to get where she wants to be. Another good point was when Scott was talking about chips lol, like, there are sooooo many games coming out these days and STILL we see cookie cutter channels statin "bUt ThErE aRe No GaMeS oN Ps5/XbOx SeRiEs" madness. Story and atmosphere is a modern win easily as well. How many times were we saving princesses from castles back in the day. Yep, modern wins story & atmosphere. However ....retro is cool, but modern is cooler lol
This is why you're my favorite lol. I knew I had an ally...even if it's just one of few lol. SMB3 was the best at it's time. I wouldn't put it on a top 10 now that I've played so many more games. Controllers are definitely a modern win, I'll defend that one with my last breath! Lev wasn't a forced character. I agree with you there. I honestly though it made the game interesting without pushing a narrative. I'm done saving the princess, woman wanted equal right...we got them lol AGREED, retro is cool, modern is cooler! Couldn't have said it better myself!
My view of what is retro is a bit weird but in a good way i think. I felt PS1 graphics were bad back in the 90s. This why i guess games dont age for me. I never felt i played a modern game until the PS4 in 2013. One and PS4 modern for life! PS3-360 was the golden days like a mix of retro and modern. So what do i prefer... i like modern hardware more but i do lean more to retro games. Right now playing FFX on PS4 😊.
That makes a lot of sense. The graphical leap of the 8th gen was staggering and truly felt modern. I agree, 7th felt like a mix. The convenience of modern hardware is awesome. I know people hate the install times of a game and the need to have internet connectivity sucks for people that just don't have access but the games and controllers are so impressive I can look past most things.
I'd rather have a game with worse graphics that's responsive with great gameplay than a game with great graphics with broken and unresponsive controls. The one killer for modern gaming is, if not micro transactions, it's the fact that as the servers shut down say goodbye to your digital games cause retro will reign with access to our carts and physical discs that will end up outliving multiple consoles with forgotten lost games, while the retro will live on through new generations to be remembered....mic drop.
You're absolutely not wrong about broken games. That is a big gripe for me and part of the reason I don't buy day one unless I absolutely must have it or it'll be hard to find later. Microtransactions too are such a piss off. Absolutely right about that
I think that the current generation sucks and retro games suck too. The pinnacle of gaming was the 360 generation imo. Great games without being infected with the current need to monetize everything to death.
Hold your freaking horses. The PS3 did not pioneer online gaming. We were playing online on the OG Xbox. And there was online ability as far back as the SNES (not widely available for sure, but still there). Load times on modem consoles are way longer! How long does it take to sign into the Ubisoft server every freaking time I want to play? Overall I see retro as the better option currently.
Pioneered in the sense that it moved the needle forward. Same with Xbox 360. Though in a few more years I guess we will have to give that win to Retro. 360 and PS3 are on the verge. Someone mentioned that carts never had load screen and honestly that blew my mind because I kind of forgot that. Retro is amazing but I love the new shiny stuff. I guess in the end at some point that will be retro too
Updating controllers--ugh...I hate when they move the "X" button to a new place because of an update. lol I think modern games don't have the same sort of hold for two reasons; the market is so, so, soooo saturated with games versus the 80s and 90s. And modern gamers are so quick to get into the next thing (possibly because of that saturation) and in this society there's a severe lack of patience versus decades past, so time simply isn't allocated to these modern games. Retro games definitely needed a higher difficulty because of shorter play and also as a holdover of arcade mentalities (though, obviously, at home it's not about sinking more quarters into a machine). BUT, on that note, the more you had to replay a retro game, either to get better at it or simply for fun, that's time spent playing THAT game and not a competitor's game, so it was a marketing ploy.
I know you're joking about the buttons being moved, but every time I play a switch game 😂😂😂😂 confusion sets in like it's my first time before I remap the buttons LOL. I think my biggest problem with retro games is my own mindset. I play every game to finish it so if I got to get good to do that it feels frustrating. And if I got to use a save state to do it, it feels like cheating. I'm having a weird year though because I've played very few horror games and more retro or on the cusp of being retro games.
I would love to defend DLC's but I rarely play them unless it's included on the disc. Micro Transaction are just the worst! We can certainly agree there!
Loved that 😂😂 even though i love modern stuff.... its got to be retro. Nothing in gaming will come close to the nostalgia kick i get when i play wonderboy on the master system
Fair enough. Just curious, do you typically go 2 generations back or is it a certain amount of years. For us we consider 20 years retro, some people say carts are retro and disc is modern.
I hate to tell you all you modern console fans retro has always been the best because of two things one don't have to worry about console hardware updates to what you got on the cartridge or a disc it was pertaining to what was put on the game you did not have to worry about software updates every time because of the game having issues and by the way Scott wins this one😊
That's honestly one of the greater arguments for retro is the fact that whether you play it 5 minutes from now or 50 years from now, the game is in a complete state and it's really hard to dispute that that is what we will have when the digital age takes over. I knew Scott would probably take the W and I'm okay with that.
Thanks so much!! I think you'll find that the feel for the entire channel. Of course it's nice to grow and get new subscribers, but for us it's more about the community aspect and just playing our games and sharing our love of it with you guys.
Jenn: “How many times do you replay those games?” Scott: “How many times do you replay ps4 games?” Jenn: “I typically play them once”. HAHAHAHA!! I came for RAMPAGE and I got it!!! I think this is the best rivalry episode you’ve done 👏 “The art is great in skies” in other words “GRAPHICS! GRAPHICS! GRAPHICS!” Let’s face it, you can’t compare graphics between retro and modern. The NES controller was made for 3 year old hands! I want MORE!! Next fight should be which console has the best games library? Retro vs modern. Don’t be afraid to throw things at each other or even better, draw blood!!
You might be on to something with which console has the better library, but I think we might pit a generation against each other and defend a certain console each. Of course, talking about the library will be a huge topic of conversation within that. I'm going to do research next time so Scott better come prepared! I'm not above fighting dirty!
@@TheRampageTulk Someone metioned making Denis the referee. Maybe I make you my referee because we all know he's gonna be bros before......non bros LOL
At the risk of triggering controversial things, another example of men caring about past preservation and women caring about future gains :P sorry, i saw the joke and had to blurt it out
I love the idea for the video and love it. Sorry, jen, but I am team retro, lol. I play both but modern games I dont like the dlc and the updates and one day when the servers go down the games without updates will not be as good or broken. Retro games are good, too, with no waiting. But great video.
6:00 Graphics. She spoke of how she has options. LMAO no on PC and retro consoles we have options. Modern consoles are limited as F***. You pay more money for more options. The options do not come free.
Retro wins! N64 yeah, that sucks but other retro consoles win modern ones any day! Also NES! Zero loading times! modern consoles can't do that! But yeah this modern culture is the main reason why gaming or at least triple A gaming is, if not dying then at least down in the mud. That's one of the biggest reasons why i'm focusing more on indie or double A stuff.
@@BeyondUselessMedia I agree. I'm more of a indie or AA title girl myself as well. Alex mentioned to me that retro games had zero load times and I completely forgot that LOL. Apparently I'm spending too much time with modern games. Lately though, I've been on an Xbox 360 kick and man that was a good generation for gamers!
This was awesome! We need more of these arguments 🤣! Like Scott, PS1 is my favorite console because of JRPGs. But some of those games are hard for me to go back to because they have aged poorly. If we talk about controllers, my favorite one is now the PS5 one. I can play for hours without having any discomfort at all! But since it's wireless, the battery needs improvement for sure! I wish it could have the battery life of the Switch Pro controller, and it would be perfect! Yes, some retro stories were amazing, like Skies of Arcadia, but some modern games have amazing stories like A Plague Tale Innocence and Requiem (probably my favorite story ark in the modern era). As much as I like retro games, I can't remember the last one that made me feel like Witcher 3 at the end. And yes, please get rid of the wokeness in video games already! In the end, I think that there can be a good balance of both eras of gaming. There are arguments in both camps that can be good or bad, but in the end, the important thing is to enjoy gaming! Great video and keep up the good work!
Very well said Dan. One really can't exist without the other. Retro is the beginning and I'm thankful for that. Some of my favorite games are retro. I could play Castlevania symphony of the night everyday of the week but that's an exception to the PS1 rule because it didn't suffer the terrible polygon graphics. Of course! I love modern so you'll get no argument from me there. I still haven't played Witcher 3 but the time sink it's going to take to complete it is what scares me. Tell me I have to play it that it's a must play and I'll make sure to get around to it at some point. Thanks so much for the great comment and sorry it took me so long to get back. Hope you're having a wonderful start to your weekend
@RetroRivals Never apologize for the speed of your reply. Keep in mind that some channels don't reply at all, so getting one back is what I consider a bonus (also a sign that the channel cares about getting comments), and I'm grateful for them! Yes you must absolutely play Witcher 3 abd no you don't have to play the previous 2 to understand the story (but I would still recommend it but wait for Witcher 1 Remake as the 1st one is quite old and only on PC, unless you want to play it on your old / new pc). And even though it is a time sink, it's totally worth it and play the complete edition that had the 2 expensions as they are really good! And it's rare that I recommend DLC!
I like watching you guys argue subjective points. I like retro games too but everyone knows the best game ever made is Red Dead Redemption 2. It is super woke though with all the robberies and murder
@@RetroRivals It's really good. It's one of those games you can play for hours and not even do a story mission. GTA with horses instead of cars. I'm a Texan so I like more than GTA though. Incredible story as well. Better than a lot of movies. 👍
Absolutely. The "middle ages" of gaming for lack of a better term were some of the roughest in gaming history for load times and graphics. Some great games came from that time but the load times would almost take you out of the story.
Hardware - Modern win, because they are adjusted for inflation cheaper and can play games from every generation. Storage - Modern wins, because not only do modern have storage built into the system, they have cloud storage capability. Controllers - Modern, are we really considering an argument for this! 😂 Graphics - Modern win overall but Retro on a CRT, well they win on depth of blacks. The Art of Games - Retro, hands down, so many unique games with innovative design choices. Oh, Alan Wake 2 is getting a physical release. Digital only is a long way off 💪 Despite Jenn winning this argument, and I'll redress the balance in an upcoming video. I'd still ditch Modern over Retro 😂
OHHHHHHH a response video! I like it. Can't wait to hear what you have to say. I don't know, you say retro but it looks like you gave almost all the points to modern. I guess I gotta wait for the VR. I think you'll like our next versus video. We have a fun idea that you'll likely have a lot to say about :)
I do agree with you about the woke culture it's totally destroying modern video games and also modern television and movies that's why I play more retro and watch older shows
I wonder at what point the woke culture warriors throw in the towel or wake up. It's unnecessary. Just make a good game, Make a good show, Make a good movie but don't make it a political platform
@@RetroRivals exactly! I'm seeing a shift in Hollywood and many like minded companies. The money these companies are losing is making it unsustainable to maintain, they are seeing the eastern market filling the spot they they used to dominate, so hopefully they will wake up before it's to late.
How about my 2 cents , just break banks and allow yourself to get a lil taste of everything! I mean get as many consoles and an excellent PC or 2 too haha.Rack up credit and then press play and then later pray you can recover the debt haha Cheers guys
Bahahaha truth! We actually have most every console with the exception of a few retro ones that we're just priced out of. I've even taken a swing at modern pc gaming although our son insists I play with keyboard and mouse which is super hard for me. I think the true winner in this one is just the gamer. At the end of the day whether we press power on a NES or PS5 we're already winning by appreciating the games!
@RetroRivals I picked myself up a wireless (can be Bluetooth or USB adapter models) mouse and keyboard cheap online Amazon🤔 . My son enjoys gaming but he prefers to be on a dirtbike or unlike his father whose had gaming and tech OCD since the late 80s. Cheers and regarding modern or retro Game it up to Enjoy !
@@RetroRivals but you do have a good argument about modern games, even though most of them are a good one time experience, retro games have a certain charm that bring you back for more. For me I always go back to streets of rage 2, even though it's the same game I get the fuzzies every time I play it, unlike most modern games. And I HATE the last of us, lol just had to throw that out there.
@@darcsendeleon5621 I think we've talked about the last of us before and hey, there's always got to be one person in the crowd. With that being said, here's my confession, I don't like Mario kart and I think Mario 64 is highly overrated LOL.
I'm happy to say the marriage is still intact. 25 years together next spring. All good things must come to an end though right? I'll probably pick on RPGs next LOL
Retro Rules! Modern is superficial and weak.
I like the immediacy of the game loading up right away, no updates, no connection to the corporate machine.
Retro games had colorful art direction, and the music was more focused on catchy melodies rather than the ambient sounds of today.
Also they were made by smaller development teams so they were kind of like independent films. Modern games would use the same people to just do qa testing, or render hair and skin pores all day. You got a more complete experience that is not gutted out for microtransactions, and battle passes.
Games were also difficult back then because the players demanded it to get their moneys worth. To overcome Shinobi or Castlevania is to feel like a hero.
Not true on ps1, sega cd and saturn. The load time is atrocious.
@@tr1bes We have so many distractions now. To a certain extent I can live with it.
There are some games like sonic 06, where I swear the excessive loading is a coding mistake.
Had to pin your comment because you made an extremely compelling comment in the favor of retro.
I assume most people know that it's Jenn that responds to all the comments and while I will probably always sway towards modern your counterpoints were spot on!
@@RetroRivals What can I say the topic got me fired up. I'll be seeing you at SEGE.
@@popculturehero ahhh dude, I wish we were going to SEGE this year. Sadly we can't make it happen. Travelling from East Coast Canada to Greenville SC is not cheap :(
Consoles were ALWAYS expensive, in any era. I've been collecting video games over 45 years....😂
Very true.
We can all agree on that!
This was great! Definitely need more of this! 😂
I fight with Scott all the time, might as well record it 🤣🤣🤣
When she said in the beginning that she prefers to only play games once and that's it. She ruined her whole argument. Who wants to buy a system to buy games they will only play one time and not want to play it again. Gamers played and replayed games again and again. We are still playing the games today. That says a lot in the benefit of Retro gaming.
I think the problem for me is that we have so many games that the idea of playing anything more than once (Retro or Modern) means something in our collection will never get played so I typically only ever play a game once. The only exception to the rule which completely destroys my whole argument is high score games which tend to be mostly Atari. Those I do play more than once because I'm trying to get a higher score. Thanks so much for your comment. I really appreciate it
@@RetroRivals That is a good argument, but if you play a game more than once, that means you have games you enjoy so much more. I love the last of us and I would play it more than once, but it's more that I would play games like Super Mario Bros. 3 far more, or say any fighting games, especially with friends. The games made that more options available, but the classic hits NEVER DIE
Umhh. Uncharted series. I beat it and never look back. Street of Rage 2. Oh yeah, keep it going baby.
Although I do play Helldiver 1 constantly like playing Contra without knowing how many times i beat the mission over and over with different loadouts. That's modern game.
I don't think your counter to her argument is an objective counterargument. You make it sound like the vast majority of people replay games. The insinuation that one only opens his/her wallet to purchase a game is based on if they will replay it later and that doing so, it's unique to retro games because they are that good is a stretch. Lol.
It’s a fight to the finish! 😂
You know it!
I grabbed some popcorn for this one for sure
I hope we didn't disappoint.
There are so many modern games that are going to be classics equal to the loved retro games. Examples-- Persona 5, Last of Us, RE4 Remake, etc.. this video is awesome, but in the back of my mind I'm always laughing because people growing up now will love the PS5 as much as PS1 lovers. It's just a cycle of awesome stuff, that's why I collect it all and go insane and have no money lol
So very true! Our son grew up playing a little bit of everything, but his first console was an Xbox 360. I haven't asked him, but he probably considers that retro at this point.
He also bleeds green and hates blue. You can't get that child to play a PlayStation to save his life.
Just discovered my psp go. Finally fulfilled a childhood want and jailbroke it. For the most part I just have games downloaded on it for now but once my new backplate comes in I’ll open it up and replace the battery and storage capacity by installing an M2 to SD card adapter. It’s the last piece I’m currently waiting for so I can finish upgrading the hardware. Can’t explain how excited I am. I can play gran turismo for psp again ON a psp with upgraded battery life and 128 gbs of storage. I also played Persona 5 when it came out and it’s the first JRPG I’ve come to fall in love with. Currently playing Persona 1 on my psp. Personally retro is killing it right now especially since my internet is garbage atm.
@@theprophet9428 That's awesome! I would love to do the same with mine to play those games that are just out of reach price wise.
Internet being garbage makes me so incredibly sad for ya. We live in an age that this should not be a problem or a barrier to playing. Super sucks 😔
I can't believe Scott didn't mention modern games being broken at launch. Cyberpunk took a year for them to iron out all the bugs. Retro gaming is the best. But it's hard to remove nostalgia from the debate. We probably need Xbox vs PlayStation, Sega vs SNES, and physical vs digital. Great video guys
Absolutely valid point on Modern games being broken at launch! That's the biggest piss off right now as well as the digital push. Definitely going to explore Xbox versus PlayStation and Sega versus SNES. That's pretty easy for us because we are on either side of the line with that one. As far as physical versus digital Scott and Alex kind of already did that, but it makes me think that we could Branch out with other creators and have a versus with people that might think differently than we do. As long as we can keep it fun and entertaining.
This one was a lot of fun! I might have to side with Scott here (and not just because we share the same first name). I've got my question for you all set in my new video tomorrow (Jun. 18th)
sweet! I'm gonna go watch it right now
This was awesome!
We had a lot of fun with it for sure. Happy to say we're still married....for now lol
@@RetroRivalsone thing for modern consoles is where you need to buy gift cards in order to play the games that is on gamepass or PS+ cuz you have to waste money on the gift cards. While retro consoles don't. Also those gift cards let's you play online for a month. That's why I prefer retro consoles over modern consoles.
I've gotta chime in on the games..
I just wrapped up my 7th 100% playthrough of days gone... modern perfection. So modern games can definitely have that repaly value, with that said it's definitely rare. Modern games that make you want to play them over and over are an anomaly. As for retro I've beaten pikmin over 20 times as well as super mario rpg, plus dozens more. Retro games have a charm that modern games rarely can capture. This was a great video really enjoyed it
I loved Days Gone. Absolutely a gem. I could play that over and over again as well BUT I get what you're saying. I bet if we asked most gamers they would replay retro over modern the majority of the time.
I quite like the modern take on retro games, titles like Huntdown, Blasphemous and Moonrider for example are perfect examples.They have more animations and fidelity, but the visual style still has that throwback to the old pixel games. I like the old consoles as well, but i feel we got more choices as a consumer these days. Love the discussion guys, in the end we can't go wrong with either retro or modern gaming 😃
OMG Huntdown was AMAZING! It's one of my favorite retro inspired couch co-op games. I totally agree though, whether it's retro or modern, just being able to play games is the best part!
Even though I also have Retro in my game channel, I also prefer modern gaming. I love old school, retro games but I think modern games are so much better when it comes to graphics, online play, and innovative and improved gaming mechanics.
I also agree with your argument about why retro games were replayed so much, Jen. They made them hard as balls because they were essentially 1 hour long. You needed to get your money's worth.
I also will typically beat a modern game once and move on because there are so many awesome games to play (modern and retro at that) that I can't keep replaying the same game. The backlog struggle!
Great video!
Thanks you! We have the exact same mindset. I really really like retro BUT modern is just so much more accessible...at least imo.
The backlog gives me daily mental anguish. I worry about getting around to playing all of them and know that I likely won't.
Final Fantasy 16 has great graphics and gameplay and great music.
It's one I have to get around to playing. I've heard nothing but great things! I still need to play Rebirth too. Never enough time for gaming!
16 bit era will never age, you can look at uncharted 1 and it looks dated.
1. Loading times were introduced by modern gaming. (There were no loading screens on catridges)
2. Moder games get finished 2 years after updating like about 200gb.
3. Some modern games will not work if no internet is available.
Now, i will give it to modern hardware for making gaming tidier and able to adapt to any era (plus upscaling tech)
Well, it's hard for me to argue all those facts. Never even thought about the fact that carts had no load screens which is what I think most people consider retro across the board.
Uncharted one awfully rough looking now but I guess we'll have to wait for a remake LOL 🤣🤣🤣
@@RetroRivals Indeed, plus the game always came complete w all costumes, side missions, etc........ Not this bull of adding stuff later.
Which im starting to question this aproach of dlc later on the road, cause now theyre willing to sell this complete/gold edition w the damm dlc on disc. They're contradictory to themselves.
Yall's videos are great. Love the good sportsmanship 🤣
Thanks so much! It was such a fun video to film. We had a blast and can't wait to do the next one.
Ooofff, this is a hard one, I grew up on Retro game's, as I've said on posts on Facebook, my first game console was not one but 2 in the same year for Christmas, either 1979, or 1980, which was both the Sears Brand Atari 2600, and Mattels Intellivision. That being said, well I do love my retro consoles, I also love modern, but retro consoles paved the way for today's modern. All consoles over time break down, but modern seems to break down way more often than retro, you can drop an N64 and will still play great, you drop a modern console, and breaks more easily. Yes the graphics are have come a long way since the retro day's, and with modern you now have voice actor's that help flesh out the character a lot more than retro, but retro still has a very nostalgic feeling to each character that you invested alot of imagination and love for those characters, I have no problem reading every text as it comes onto the screen, I also won't skip over cut scenes on modern, cause you never know what's going to be said, or that it might help with the story on how it's played, I know that might not make a lot of sense, but I love watching the cut scenes, but only if it's a new scene that I haven't seen before, if I die in modern game's, and it repeats the cut scene, I will definitely skip it, but if it's a retro game I almost never skip the scenes where you're reading text on what they say, almost never, sometimes I do. I do play more modern console games than retro but from time to time, I will still play my retro games. I would say in the last 5 years, I started playing retro game's again, only because of a friend of mine who I met at UPS where I work ,he got me back into retro gaming, before that it was modern only, but still never forgot about retro gaming, as that is where I got my start. I'm a Gen Xer, born in 1971, and grew up with playing arcade games before playing on consoles, but like I said I play more modern game's than retro. I will admit one thing, I do not like where the next Gen consoles are heading, I do not care for digital download, as I'm a physical copy gamer, than digital gamer. When the PS6 does come out, I will not be buying it, unless they continue with physical copies, which sadly we all know they won't, sad because nobody owns a digital copy, they are only renting it, I'm not like the kids today, who will beat today's games or finish today's game's in a week or less, and don't care they don't own a digital and are only renting it, cause in their minds they don't care to replay a game they beat 5 or 10 year's ago. That's another reason I love retro consoles, cause their all physical game's, and may beat a game, and 5 to 10 year's later, want to play that game again so yes, I love modern gaming, but still love my retro game's
My son and I were actually having a conversation on the next gen consoles just a few days ago. At the point when modern consoles go all digital, I'm absolutely done supporting them. That's the greatest part about Retro gaming is that we know those carts will work and they'll always be ours.
I'm not a PC gamer but at the point when we go all digital then I'll likely just start supporting steam and pick up what I have to play for my gaming PC. If I didn't already have one for editing videos then I likely would just skip new games entirely in the all digital era and be happy with what I have.
@RetroRivals , I totally agree, I'm not a PC gamer, never have been, yes I did play some pc game's like Oregon Trail, and Pac -Man, on the computers at my elementary school back in the day, and my friends dad had a PC he mostly used for work, he did have a game called Snooper Troops, which was ok and all, but through and through I'm a console gamer. I think it's sad that the next Gen consoles will be digital only, which in my opinion is a huge scam, because of what I said, you don't own digital you rent them, and I stand by this statement, so I'll be continuing to collect retro game's, from cartridges to disc game's, i.e PS1,2,3,4 and 5, I've never owned a GameCube nor an Xbox, but who knows that might change, kids of today and the future might think we are crazy for not supporting digital download games, but they will never know, or understand what's it's like to own a physical copy, unless their parents are retro gamers, and educate them on physical copies. I too might think about buying a Steam Deck, and or the Asus ROG Ally, and play game's on emulation, maybe, who knows, first I need to but myself a Nintendo Switch, and start collecting those game's
Jenn…I love you but Modern gaming is far worse off than Retro and will only get worse once the digital age completely replaces physical. The fact that you don’t own any games anymore and all the updates makes retro the king forever.
Alex and I had a discussion about that. The big digital push kills me and at that point I'll probably say screw it to next gen consoles and get a PC. Retro is always there though and I gotta admit, as a gamer that gives me some relief for the future when it comes to being and continuing to be a gamer
Retro got owned! And you can’t say people won’t go back and play when it has not being enough time to tell. 100% people will go back to play stuff like dragon quest 11, last of us, Elden ring, bloodborn, Mario wonder, Zelda totk
How did Retro get owned lol, cuz she said the games were cheaper lol. Big deal. PS3 games & that's an old console now since 2006. People aren't playing that because nobody plays online anymore on that. Same will happen with the PS4 once the PS6 come out etc. Nobody is going to play Mario Wonder when years have past lol.
I think we have a lot of pretty compelling comments defending each. While I typically don't play any game more than once it's more to do with the sheer volume of games we have. It makes me so sad to think that a game in our collection will never get played but I guess that's the reality of the collector.
@@tonyp9313 I certainly give you online. It's something I don't care about because I'm 43 and already fight with a teenager in my house, I don't want to do it online as well.
Finish Her!!! 😂
Great video you two! You definitely had me cracking up.
It’s tough to say but I’m pretty much ride the line between the two. Really depends on the game and my situation. You know I love both so it’s hard to choose but retro is gold!
Fantastic video guys!
There's huge pros and cons on both sides. Scott brought the heat and I think he won this one BUT I'll be bringing my A game and doing research for the next one.
In the end if you're gaming no matter how you do it, you're winning! Except for those PC Master Race people LOL
haha Jenn with the retro Turtles shirt when fighting for modern! classic.
It's true , I would most likely play a retro game over and over compared to a modern game, Scott definitely gets that point! It's that style of quick plug and play , whereas modern is more of a story telling experience , I could play like 5 cartridge retro games in the time it takes a modern game to fully install on the system with all the patches.
I agree with some of the games being repayable such as The last of us, since it's not a super long game, but also that first came out on ps3, which is 15+ years ago so that counts as retro now. I know some will argue it's not but 3 generations back is definitely retro , if a kid was 5 years old when it came out and now is in their 20's it is definitely retro.
Points against certain retro eras like ps1/ps2 was the damn loading times , those consoles are sometimes hard to play now., and their memory cards lol.
One thing that was so cool about retro is we used to get different versions of a game on different consoles for example turtles in time /hyperstonen heist, aladdin , ps2 wrestling games/ gamecube wrestling games etc..
I actually like the N64 controller, the controller I never liked was the Gamecube controller lol, I always hated the plastic cheap feeling trigger buttons. For me, the SNES controller is the greatest controller of all time and changed how everyone else made controllers. However I loved the ps3/ps4 controller.
I agree the charging sucks for controllers , but the wireless aspects are awesome.
I agree it's cool that modern consoles can play retro inspired games. Also got to give the point to Jenn for the accessibitly options for people. I would have to argue with Scott there are a lot of modern games that people love, Persona 5, Yakuza like a dragon , RE evil remakes etc..
I got to ask Jenn how often do you play your Xbox series x? hahah, and I say this as someone who hardly plays his.
How many of these modern games will even work in 10-15 years ? Also back then the games that were released were complete, you didn't have to worry about patches and worry about them removing stuff.
Nailed the head over the Woke stuff, this whole Sweetbaby inc crap is annoying. I say let the developers make what they want without outside interference.
great video, but that best part is we don't have to chose, we can enjoy both, as I know both of you do. For me if I want a quick session of gaming under 30 mins, I prefer to play a retro game, in and out otherwise I do go more modern. it was also nice to know we actually owned the retro games, the whole game was on disc or cart , whereas now the discs are mainly just to check if you own the game before downloading it.
Either way I say it's great we all have a choice to game how we want to game for now.
What a thoughtful comment. You know how much I always appreciate that. The concept of what is retro and what is not is so hard to pin down. 15 years makes sense. We are somewhere between 15-20 ourselves too.
Retro is an easy pick up and play. Totally! Gotta agree on that. The save states have it for me though with modern. It makes it so that I can play for an hour. That's my only opposition there.
As for how often I play XBSX.... 😂 Well, not a lot because if I play an Xbox game and very few are exclusive to that console then I play it on the One and save the exclusive games for that system. So, not that often 😜🤣 Fair point!
And yes, at the end of the day just making the time to have fun gaming is the most important thing. No matter how you do it ❤️
True, save states are awesome but that's certain games , but if you use neweer hardware to play retro like I do for snes/genesis/turbo grafx/nes it allows you to save state any time via retro freak , I love that machine . Also true, last of us maybe PS3 but it came out 2013 so that's not quiet 15 years yet so I'll give you that one too 😊. @@RetroRivals
Cool argumentative conversation starter. Personally Scott won the argument but I feel Jen was on the right side. One of the games discussed for loving modern games was the last of us. One of the coolest part of last of us was the fact it was a ps3 game upscaled to modern tvs , think about all of the retro games coming on ps1/ps2 NES/snes/n64 being updated to today’s hardware because it’s better and more convenient as well. That’s my argument for modern gaming. I’m weird I know it cause I love sports gaming and I have to love the old retro games cause they generally don’t port to modern consoles due to licensing so it’s a win for retro. There is also some odd ball old retro games that no one would ever even have known to play today .
I gotta give the W to Scott as well. Just the comment section alone demanded it. I know retrotink is a good option for upscaling but it's so damn expensive. And yes licensing makes porting those older sports games so hard.
I will never fault a game/console for being limited by the technology of the time. In 1991 Super Mario World was peak graphics, just like the last of us was when it came out on PS3. So, I think you can't compare them head to head. I will say this as my only argument. When I think about games, like what are critically the best games of all time, what games do I want to play this weekend, what are my favorite games, When I GO TO THE GAME STORE what's the first section I go to? The answer is Retro games.
I think that's a good way to think about it. When you first walk into the game store your loyalties lay in the first section you go. Mines PS4 lol 🤣 and Scott's is PS1, accurate!
You know I love both, but I always lean retro. I feel like 90% of Jenn's arguments weren't very good.
One major thing you guys missed that gives retro an edge is that modern games constantly need patches, especially day one. There are some retro games with broken mechanics, but the vast majority were always ready to play day 1 because they couldn't be patched. Games are constantly rushed out nowadays because people have zero patience.
90% of my arguments on any given day aren't good 😂😂😂 It's a fact I'm used to.
We went off the cuff with the versus debate but Im coming with notes next time and I'll be taking no prisoners lol
I think retro has much more variation and unique games which keeps things interesting. There is always a new gem to find. Modern games are all rehashed ideas again and again. Last of us, last of us remastered and last of us remastered again. How is a 11 year old idea with a new coat of paint modern? Not even to mention the current generation. I have seen desserts with more variation than the current generation games. It’s either live service or indy(which face it is modern retro) with some double AA games that are worth your time. Except for hell diver 2 my ps5 is pretty much a ps4 emulator at this point. What is awesome is my xbox one x with all the upgrades on all the xbox and xbox 360 games through backwards compatibility. That is the stuff dreams are made of. Love it! Also loved this rival vid it got me all fired up on this rant😂
So happy you loved the video and my biggest takeaway from your comment which made me take pause was indie being the equivalent of modern retro and you know what you're not wrong! Maybe that's why I love it so much because it's got a certain charm that is missing from a AAA title game. Quit making me think. It hurts my brain LOL 🤣
Do this segment sitting in the middle of a pro-wrestling ring next time....😂
I'll talk to my ring guy and see what he can do 😜
@@RetroRivals 😂
Mud wrestling. That's a site to see.
@@tr1bes or jello 😂
@@tr1bes 😂
I can’t lie, I’m way in the modern>retro camp lol. Especially if future games are categorized under modern… I’ll give up everything to make sure I’m able to play GTA 6, RE9, Mass Effect 5, etc lol. Jen, I also think our preference for narrative driven games kinda pushes us towards modern, and also it prolly pushes us away from replaying games. Because once I’ve seen a story to its conclusion, I rarely have interest in returning to it… even if I adore the game.
You honestly totally hit the nail on the head! That's exactly what I'm in it for and I'm so pumped for RE9. I heard they are bringing back the Director Koshi Nakanishi from RE7.
Retro Consoles are a whole lot better. You have more options. You can play with a normal controller, they have wireless controllers & best yet that everyone seems to forget you can play with Turbo controllers. What's even a lot better now is that they sell Ever Drives to play any game & have 100's of games on a SD card to play that on your original console.
Also with Retro games, if a game is too hard, you can now play them with save states. Or like back in the day put Game Genie Codes or codes that are in the game if you want an easier gaming exp.
Modern gaming: Too much system updates, got to wait to download you game 20 min to 2 hours at times. No cheat codes what so ever to make the games easier. You can only play with 1 type of controller, wireless normal ones. Then the games themselves are way too long 20-100 hours depending on what games you do play.
I will replay Golden Axe & many of these types of retro games over & over because they are 1 hour or less. The Last of US 2 which is a great PS4 game, I've played that & beaten that only once for a 30 hour game. No way am I replaying The Last of US 2 or any modern game like God of War, Uncharted, Red Dead Redemption 2 the Assassin Creed games over & over again.
We have a few everdrives and they are amazing. I would never have been able to play Sweet Home without it because it's a homebrew and not a game we ever see.
Now just to add fuel to the fire, would an Everdrive be considered modern? Are we essentially using it to modernize retro gaming?
Controllers are a tough one. There's more than one controller for modern systems. We have many for our switch. Defender, 8 bitdo, Switch Pro and Hori Split pad.
Cheat codes were taken out in favor of choosing difficulty level so same thing kind of.
Can I just say how happy I am though that you loved The Last of Us 2? We both adored that game and it got a lot of undue hate.
I really appreciate your comment and you make a lot of good points. Also, Golden Axe is a great game as well. Scott and I played it co-op together, beat it and had a blast doing it!
@@RetroRivals Yeah I think we are modernizing retro games when we play with Mega Everdrives because they make the games Super easy by giving us save states & even more Game Genie Codes to put in.
Lets take away the Everdrives & I will still show you how much easier a retro games is compared to a modern game.
2 games to compare. Contra vs Cuphead.
2 very hard games right? How do I make these games easier?
Well for contra I can use a Turbo controller. That makes it a lot easier because now I can fire more of my shot continuously.
I can use the 30 lives code I input from my controller. I can also use a game Genie with it to give me unlimited lives etc.
How Cuphead easier though? Oh yeah that's right you can't. Yeah I beat it. It was really annoying. I think my death count was something like 500+ deaths. Don't remember the exact number but it was really high.
I can use these examples for other retro games. Retro gives you more options for gameplay & easier too.
I do enjoy playing modern games, though I still prefer playing retro more.
Retro is where it all began so it's hard to beat the nostalgia of it.
Great, great, great idea for a video! Both sides made valid points, but I can't pick a side. I just like games! Games from any generation.
Honestly, as much as I lean modern it would be hard for me to absolutely throw away retro. Some of my favorite games are retro but it was a fun fight all the same even though it looks like I definitely lost 😜
I love all gaming. The line for what is retro keeps moving. So eventually Retro will win in the end because of the direction developers, publishers, and the big 3 are headed, is not pro consumer. While I like pretty graphics, it is a quick fix and can not compare to games where the majority of the budget was spent on the story.
You make an excellent argument there Moandain! We are moving towards an era of gaming that will probably have retro winning in the end. It's a sad state of chasing record profits over make a quality experience for the consumer. Graphics will always be second to story. Truth!
Online gaming & storage space are the only things that are better on Modern consoles. That's it. That came out with the PS4 actually to have a virtual library. Before that when I bought Earthworm Jim HD I had to keep that on my console. Deleted it & now it's gone forever because they lacked a cloud system in the PS3 days when you bought games digitally.
Online play very important. So I can play a hockey game at home vs my friend who is at his house. This saves a lot of time. Or you play a online coop game. Talk through a party chat on PS4 with Head sets. Nintendo not the same for whatever reason. You got to use your cell phone along with the systems to play online if you want to communicate to each other which that is really important. You don't have to but it's better you do.
Comparing this to couch coop or vs, I would say it's worse. If you can I recommend going to a person's house with 2-3 friends to play video games together all in 1 room. You'll play on 1 system 1 tv & you won't have to worry about lag.
Since as adults we don't have time to hook up with friends because of the different work schedule I say online is a huge part of gaming now.
That's the one thing we never utilize as far as modern gaming goes is any online gaming. We prefer couch co-op and at the very least we'll do a system link or Scott will play with our son. on separate consoles online but in the same room.
@@RetroRivals Right. I love Couch coop as well because it's a lot simpler, things will work 100% of the time because of 0 lag & most importantly you see your friends for socializing.
However it is a lot harder to hang with our friends with different work schedules & the fact everyone wants to relax & be by themselves when they have 2 days off work. This was never a problem when I was a kid or Young Adult barely working.
@@tonyp9313 We somehow got really lucky with being able to get together and hang out with our friends and play games. It might be our age because our kids are all grown now which probably helps a lot
If I had to choose one I'd go with retro every time. Grab a game put it in and play. Done.
Modern - update your console, controller, game and then wait for an install and probably another update.
You're absolutely right about that. The convenience of picking up and playing and not having to do all the extra stuff is well worth the price of admission for retro
I love modern and retro🤷
Can't beat a good argument with the wife though 😂
Enjoyed this guys.
We should just start filming all our arguments.
Next video: Why do you always fart in the bedroom right before we go to sleep?
Just getting caught up on videos finally!
I mean… I’m all about the Retro… So I vote Retro, all in. 😂😅. I honestly don’t enjoy modern games as much. I only play a couple and can’t seem to get hooked into them like I can retro stuff. Personal preference I guess. Great video and super fun to watch!
Totally expected you'd vote Retro and honestly, I get it. There is a certain charm there and while I tend to play more modern, I do love retro as well :)
Thanks so much for watching and commenting
Modern wins and it isnt even close.
There is no way people will convince me that there are better retro games than TLOU Part 1&2, Control, AW2, God Of War, Returnal etc...
I do like Retro, but I must stress, that if there is no nostalgia tied to retro, then its just okay.
When I hear folk sayin SuperMarioBros3 is the best game of all-time, it baffles me. Sure it is there opinion, but take nostalgia out of the mix and its a good platformer.
Prime example, MetroidDread is head and shoulders above SuperMetroid. But Super will always be ranked higher due to nostalgia.
Controllers is a modern win, all day long.
Woke culture is just a thing we gotta live with sadly. I recently heard someone say somthing about Lev's character being force in TheLastOfUsPart2...I did not feel that because there is a story behind that character and they way that she is portrayed & the struggle to get where she wants to be.
Another good point was when Scott was talking about chips lol, like, there are sooooo many games coming out these days and STILL we see cookie cutter channels statin "bUt ThErE aRe No GaMeS oN Ps5/XbOx SeRiEs" madness.
Story and atmosphere is a modern win easily as well. How many times were we saving princesses from castles back in the day. Yep, modern wins story & atmosphere.
However ....retro is cool, but modern is cooler lol
This is why you're my favorite lol. I knew I had an ally...even if it's just one of few lol.
SMB3 was the best at it's time. I wouldn't put it on a top 10 now that I've played so many more games.
Controllers are definitely a modern win, I'll defend that one with my last breath!
Lev wasn't a forced character. I agree with you there. I honestly though it made the game interesting without pushing a narrative.
I'm done saving the princess, woman wanted equal right...we got them lol
AGREED, retro is cool, modern is cooler! Couldn't have said it better myself!
My view of what is retro is a bit weird but in a good way i think. I felt PS1 graphics were bad back in the 90s. This why i guess games dont age for me. I never felt i played a modern game until the PS4 in 2013. One and PS4 modern for life! PS3-360 was the golden days like a mix of retro and modern. So what do i prefer... i like modern hardware more but i do lean more to retro games. Right now playing FFX on PS4 😊.
That makes a lot of sense. The graphical leap of the 8th gen was staggering and truly felt modern. I agree, 7th felt like a mix.
The convenience of modern hardware is awesome. I know people hate the install times of a game and the need to have internet connectivity sucks for people that just don't have access but the games and controllers are so impressive I can look past most things.
Best couple on social media 👏🏼😄
Well thank you, that is very sweet.
I'd rather have a game with worse graphics that's responsive with great gameplay than a game with great graphics with broken and unresponsive controls.
The one killer for modern gaming is, if not micro transactions, it's the fact that as the servers shut down say goodbye to your digital games cause retro will reign with access to our carts and physical discs that will end up outliving multiple consoles with forgotten lost games, while the retro will live on through new generations to be remembered....mic drop.
You're absolutely not wrong about broken games. That is a big gripe for me and part of the reason I don't buy day one unless I absolutely must have it or it'll be hard to find later.
Microtransactions too are such a piss off. Absolutely right about that
I think that the current generation sucks and retro games suck too. The pinnacle of gaming was the 360 generation imo. Great games without being infected with the current need to monetize everything to death.
You've tugged on a topic we might cover in the next RIVALS video series. Stay tuned!
Hold your freaking horses. The PS3 did not pioneer online gaming. We were playing online on the OG Xbox. And there was online ability as far back as the SNES (not widely available for sure, but still there).
Load times on modem consoles are way longer! How long does it take to sign into the Ubisoft server every freaking time I want to play?
Overall I see retro as the better option currently.
Pioneered in the sense that it moved the needle forward. Same with Xbox 360. Though in a few more years I guess we will have to give that win to Retro. 360 and PS3 are on the verge. Someone mentioned that carts never had load screen and honestly that blew my mind because I kind of forgot that. Retro is amazing but I love the new shiny stuff. I guess in the end at some point that will be retro too
Updating controllers--ugh...I hate when they move the "X" button to a new place because of an update. lol
I think modern games don't have the same sort of hold for two reasons; the market is so, so, soooo saturated with games versus the 80s and 90s. And modern gamers are so quick to get into the next thing (possibly because of that saturation) and in this society there's a severe lack of patience versus decades past, so time simply isn't allocated to these modern games.
Retro games definitely needed a higher difficulty because of shorter play and also as a holdover of arcade mentalities (though, obviously, at home it's not about sinking more quarters into a machine). BUT, on that note, the more you had to replay a retro game, either to get better at it or simply for fun, that's time spent playing THAT game and not a competitor's game, so it was a marketing ploy.
I know you're joking about the buttons being moved, but every time I play a switch game 😂😂😂😂 confusion sets in like it's my first time before I remap the buttons LOL.
I think my biggest problem with retro games is my own mindset. I play every game to finish it so if I got to get good to do that it feels frustrating. And if I got to use a save state to do it, it feels like cheating.
I'm having a weird year though because I've played very few horror games and more retro or on the cusp of being retro games.
I love both retro and modern, but retro games do not have dlc or mirco transactions, so retro gets my vote.
I would love to defend DLC's but I rarely play them unless it's included on the disc. Micro Transaction are just the worst! We can certainly agree there!
Loved that 😂😂 even though i love modern stuff.... its got to be retro. Nothing in gaming will come close to the nostalgia kick i get when i play wonderboy on the master system
Can totally understand and appreciate that. Very few things can top Castlevania symphony of the night for me.
Her argument for PS3, but PS3 is a retro console lol
Fair enough. Just curious, do you typically go 2 generations back or is it a certain amount of years. For us we consider 20 years retro, some people say carts are retro and disc is modern.
To me, it's still modern. I think gen 6 and before are retro because they have not fully connected to the internet.
Elden Ring, God Of War, Doom
Exactly, all amazing games.
I hate to tell you all you modern console fans retro has always been the best because of two things one don't have to worry about console hardware updates to what you got on the cartridge or a disc it was pertaining to what was put on the game you did not have to worry about software updates every time because of the game having issues and by the way Scott wins this one😊
That's honestly one of the greater arguments for retro is the fact that whether you play it 5 minutes from now or 50 years from now, the game is in a complete state and it's really hard to dispute that that is what we will have when the digital age takes over. I knew Scott would probably take the W and I'm okay with that.
Subbed, fun stuff.
Thanks so much!! I think you'll find that the feel for the entire channel. Of course it's nice to grow and get new subscribers, but for us it's more about the community aspect and just playing our games and sharing our love of it with you guys.
@@RetroRivals well I'll be watching the backlog then. I'm also married and it's always nice to see happy people enjoying things they love. Cheers 🥂.
RETRO FOR LIFE!!!
I’m a HUGE NEO GEO & Sega Genesis fan. Personally I HATE modern gaming.
Love you guys videos. More like this please
More are on the horizon for sure. Also love seeing Neo Geo getting a shout out. I know it doesn't get nearly enough love.
Modern digital gaming will get rid of game collecting unfortunately. 😢 hence more value to cartridges or even disc games.
Totally feel that too. I love modern but the digital push is frightening
Jenn: “How many times do you replay those games?” Scott: “How many times do you replay ps4 games?” Jenn: “I typically play them once”. HAHAHAHA!! I came for RAMPAGE and I got it!!! I think this is the best rivalry episode you’ve done 👏 “The art is great in skies” in other words “GRAPHICS! GRAPHICS! GRAPHICS!” Let’s face it, you can’t compare graphics between retro and modern. The NES controller was made for 3 year old hands! I want MORE!! Next fight should be which console has the best games library? Retro vs modern. Don’t be afraid to throw things at each other or even better, draw blood!!
You might be on to something with which console has the better library, but I think we might pit a generation against each other and defend a certain console each. Of course, talking about the library will be a huge topic of conversation within that.
I'm going to do research next time so Scott better come prepared! I'm not above fighting dirty!
@@RetroRivalsCALL ME IF YOU NEED BACKUP! 😂
@@TheRampageTulk Someone metioned making Denis the referee. Maybe I make you my referee because we all know he's gonna be bros before......non bros LOL
@@RetroRivals LOL! I love Denis but I will take Scott to HELL
At the risk of triggering controversial things, another example of men caring about past preservation and women caring about future gains :P sorry, i saw the joke and had to blurt it out
Bahahaha that's awesome 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love the idea for the video and love it. Sorry, jen, but I am team retro, lol. I play both but modern games I dont like the dlc and the updates and one day when the servers go down the games without updates will not be as good or broken. Retro games are good, too, with no waiting. But great video.
Awww no worries. I totally expected to take the "L" on this one. The retro community is a strong one
6:00 Graphics. She spoke of how she has options. LMAO no on PC and retro consoles we have options. Modern consoles are limited as F***. You pay more money for more options. The options do not come free.
Hard to argue that honestly. PC though, can be in both categories. Retro and Modern
@@RetroRivals Exactly.
Trigger warning haha.
Should do retro vs modern games and retro vs modern systems separately
We have an idea in the works sort of around that topic 😉
Retro wins! N64 yeah, that sucks but other retro consoles win modern ones any day! Also NES! Zero loading times! modern consoles can't do that! But yeah this modern culture is the main reason why gaming or at least triple A gaming is, if not dying then at least down in the mud. That's one of the biggest reasons why i'm focusing more on indie or double A stuff.
@@BeyondUselessMedia I agree. I'm more of a indie or AA title girl myself as well. Alex mentioned to me that retro games had zero load times and I completely forgot that LOL.
Apparently I'm spending too much time with modern games. Lately though, I've been on an Xbox 360 kick and man that was a good generation for gamers!
This is a great channel 👏 👍 😮😊
Thanks so much. That is very kind of you to say :)
You are awesome 👌 👏
This was awesome! We need more of these arguments 🤣! Like Scott, PS1 is my favorite console because of JRPGs. But some of those games are hard for me to go back to because they have aged poorly. If we talk about controllers, my favorite one is now the PS5 one. I can play for hours without having any discomfort at all! But since it's wireless, the battery needs improvement for sure! I wish it could have the battery life of the Switch Pro controller, and it would be perfect! Yes, some retro stories were amazing, like Skies of Arcadia, but some modern games have amazing stories like A Plague Tale Innocence and Requiem (probably my favorite story ark in the modern era). As much as I like retro games, I can't remember the last one that made me feel like Witcher 3 at the end. And yes, please get rid of the wokeness in video games already! In the end, I think that there can be a good balance of both eras of gaming. There are arguments in both camps that can be good or bad, but in the end, the important thing is to enjoy gaming! Great video and keep up the good work!
Very well said Dan. One really can't exist without the other. Retro is the beginning and I'm thankful for that. Some of my favorite games are retro. I could play Castlevania symphony of the night everyday of the week but that's an exception to the PS1 rule because it didn't suffer the terrible polygon graphics.
Of course! I love modern so you'll get no argument from me there. I still haven't played Witcher 3 but the time sink it's going to take to complete it is what scares me. Tell me I have to play it that it's a must play and I'll make sure to get around to it at some point.
Thanks so much for the great comment and sorry it took me so long to get back. Hope you're having a wonderful start to your weekend
@RetroRivals Never apologize for the speed of your reply. Keep in mind that some channels don't reply at all, so getting one back is what I consider a bonus (also a sign that the channel cares about getting comments), and I'm grateful for them! Yes you must absolutely play Witcher 3 abd no you don't have to play the previous 2 to understand the story (but I would still recommend it but wait for Witcher 1 Remake as the 1st one is quite old and only on PC, unless you want to play it on your old / new pc). And even though it is a time sink, it's totally worth it and play the complete edition that had the 2 expensions as they are really good! And it's rare that I recommend DLC!
Though I appreciate modern games retro is King 🤴.
I can appreciate that 😊
The problem with new games is they are not fun.
I think there might be a few that are but to each their own
Team retro 💯
I think you're sitting with a very strong fan base. Our comment section (for the most part) would certainly agree with you.
Hey I love the N64 controller lol now is it better than the Ps5 controller.....no but im offended lol
Oh well than you just wait until we put out our hot takes video next week 🤣
Denis needs to be the referee!
That's an awesome idea! Call time outs when someone punches below the belt. Think we can get him to moonlight as a ring girl as well?
@@RetroRivals do it! Or he can call time outs for beer breaks!
@@Mega-Matt21 Now we're talking!
I like watching you guys argue subjective points. I like retro games too but everyone knows the best game ever made is Red Dead Redemption 2. It is super woke though with all the robberies and murder
I have a confession, I've never played RDR 2! I know it's a super long game and it's a little intimidating BUT I know I'd love it!
@@RetroRivals It's really good. It's one of those games you can play for hours and not even do a story mission. GTA with horses instead of cars. I'm a Texan so I like more than GTA though. Incredible story as well. Better than a lot of movies. 👍
What are you talking aboot?!
Retro vs Modern. We wanted to fight about something other than the toilet seat for once 😂
@13:00. Retro has bad load time too. Ps1, Sega 32X, CD, and Saturn has really long load time.
Absolutely. The "middle ages" of gaming for lack of a better term were some of the roughest in gaming history for load times and graphics. Some great games came from that time but the load times would almost take you out of the story.
Hardware - Modern win, because they are adjusted for inflation cheaper and can play games from every generation.
Storage - Modern wins, because not only do modern have storage built into the system, they have cloud storage capability.
Controllers - Modern, are we really considering an argument for this! 😂
Graphics - Modern win overall but Retro on a CRT, well they win on depth of blacks.
The Art of Games - Retro, hands down, so many unique games with innovative design choices.
Oh, Alan Wake 2 is getting a physical release. Digital only is a long way off 💪
Despite Jenn winning this argument, and I'll redress the balance in an upcoming video.
I'd still ditch Modern over Retro 😂
OHHHHHHH a response video! I like it. Can't wait to hear what you have to say.
I don't know, you say retro but it looks like you gave almost all the points to modern. I guess I gotta wait for the VR.
I think you'll like our next versus video. We have a fun idea that you'll likely have a lot to say about :)
@RetroRivals gotta be two rival manufacturers with a hint like that 🤣
I do agree with you about the woke culture it's totally destroying modern video games and also modern television and movies that's why I play more retro and watch older shows
I wonder at what point the woke culture warriors throw in the towel or wake up. It's unnecessary. Just make a good game, Make a good show, Make a good movie but don't make it a political platform
@@RetroRivals exactly! I'm seeing a shift in Hollywood and many like minded companies. The money these companies are losing is making it unsustainable to maintain, they are seeing the eastern market filling the spot they they used to dominate, so hopefully they will wake up before it's to late.
Retro wins 🤪
I think a lot of people in the comments would agree with you. We have a very strong retro audience for sure
How about my 2 cents , just break banks and allow yourself to get a lil taste of everything!
I mean get as many consoles and an excellent PC or 2 too haha.Rack up credit and then press play and then later pray you can recover the debt haha
Cheers guys
Bahahaha truth! We actually have most every console with the exception of a few retro ones that we're just priced out of. I've even taken a swing at modern pc gaming although our son insists I play with keyboard and mouse which is super hard for me. I think the true winner in this one is just the gamer. At the end of the day whether we press power on a NES or PS5 we're already winning by appreciating the games!
@RetroRivals
I picked myself up a wireless (can be Bluetooth or USB adapter models) mouse and keyboard cheap online Amazon🤔 . My son enjoys gaming but he prefers to be on a dirtbike or unlike his father whose had gaming and tech OCD since the late 80s. Cheers and regarding modern or retro Game it up to Enjoy !
Also I personally ❤️ Retroarch on windows and Android
@@quinnreiswig-vc3cy Absolutely!
I got a hacked PSP. I auto win 😅
We honestly might do the same with ours eventually. There's some PSP games I can't justify spending the money on.
She lost hands down
Lol It's all good. I kind of expect that
@@RetroRivals but you do have a good argument about modern games, even though most of them are a good one time experience, retro games have a certain charm that bring you back for more. For me I always go back to streets of rage 2, even though it's the same game I get the fuzzies every time I play it, unlike most modern games. And I HATE the last of us, lol just had to throw that out there.
@@darcsendeleon5621 I think we've talked about the last of us before and hey, there's always got to be one person in the crowd.
With that being said, here's my confession, I don't like Mario kart and I think Mario 64 is highly overrated LOL.
@@RetroRivals i love mario kart double dash and I agree with you mario 64 is waaay to overrated, I honestly hate mario 64.
Great video! Try not to do any more of these guys I want you all to stay together.
I'm happy to say the marriage is still intact. 25 years together next spring. All good things must come to an end though right? I'll probably pick on RPGs next LOL