What Makes BATMAN: WHITE KNIGHT So Great
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- In this video, Owen explains how Sean Murphy's 2017 series, Batman: White Knight, brilliantly deconstructs and examines the longstanding mythos of the Caped Crusader, and delivers one of the most thought-provoking comic book stories in recent years.
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I am not gonna even watch the vid. Because White Knight is overrated trash
I interpret as sort of a “Take That!” at people who think comics (especially Batman.) should be grim and violent as “The Dark Knight Rises” and “The Killing Joke” Love your videos, Owen. keep it up
This video is the reason why I don't like batfleck in the dceu
Rises was grim but ultimately hopeful. It is the Batfleck I am not a huge fan of
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Thank you, really glad you enjoyed it!
would work if it was different villain than Joker who's most often an irredeemable monster
I would love to see this adapt into animation. But good animation. The new Red Son movie is cool but the animation is nothing special. A comic with this kind of art should be adapted in a faithful way.
Same here, an animated film done in the style of Murphy's art would be incredible
Yea, and I think the voice of Jhon Doe from the Taletale Batman would be great for this Joker, it just fits for this version I think...
I feel Troy Baker would an amazing job, flip flops between a serious Jack Napier and The Joker.
They should adapt the WHOLE universe … that’s like 3-5 films …
in animation … like SpiderVerse … you ken the money is just THERE to be made 😀
Batman White Knight is what comics need right now. Good story and Good art like the glory days of Batman New 52. The only other comic series I liked ongoing was Immortal Hulk.
I'm starting Immortal Hulk soon, very excited to check it out.
@@OwenLikesComics I can't wait for that video Owen!
It only has good art, the writing is less than sub-par.
aight
This series is worth getting it just on the art alone, my god is Sean Murphy an incredible artist, I haven't seen an artist fit Batman so perfectly since Capullo.
Agreed, Murphy's artwork is such a perfect fit for this story.
The art is mediocre and ugly
Thank you for watching this video, I hope you all enjoyed it and are safe and well!
Just a quick note, I'm going to start doing weekly livestreams here on CZcams every Sunday (kinda just like a 1/2 hour hangout chat), just in case anyone is feeling isolated, bored or just fancies talking about whatever for a bit. I'm happy to start doing them this weekend, so let me know if that's something you'd be interested in!
Could Punchline in the main continuity be Marian Drew?
Hell yeah, a break from the isolation by talking about comics sounds amazing
Funny thing is that the plot is not that creative it was just too bold to ever be tried by a writer. Flipping the protagonist is the antagonist and the villain had heroic motives is nothing new in comic lines previously tackled by authors but this was so hard to pull of in the bat mythos cause it had 80 years of history I'm in awe of the set the story and after a long while I actually liked characters that I previously didn't as much I liked bullock, harleen, and Barbara as batgirl, I truly love the costume design and liked that jack was realistic. Sean gordan is amazing and I cannot wait for his next work after curse of the white knight.
Agreed, Murphy isn't reinventing the wheel here, but he takes a bold risk that most writers wouldn't be able to, and it pays off brilliantly.
it relies on bad writing and poor characterization
the writer has close to zero modern lore knowledge on Batman. He bases the characterization ENTIRELY on Twitter's bad takes
And relies on one single crucial plot point
that the Joker, a long established mass murderer and terrorist, isn't one this time.
Shit writing, shit character, shit plot, even worse dialogue
@@badfoody "modern lore knowledge on Batman"
it's ... an alternate universe that he himself made up, what 'lore' are you talking about
@@badfoody Someone has low intelligence.
@@DaveGrean He’s just another moron who just hates on something good and popular because he’s a tasteless dolt and a jerk.
Do Doomsday clock next, this video was amazing and I completely agree with everything you said in this video
My next video is already in the works, but Doomsday Clock is on my list
One of the reasons that I find this storyline enjoyable is that it finally sort of cleans up the Harley Quinn situation that DC brought upon themselves. The sequels to the series was also enjoyable as well as it showcased ORIGINAL Harley's part in these stories.
I know it hasn’t concluded but as a follow up video I’d love to see how you feel about Curse of the White Knight
I'll definitely be considering a follow up video.
It really s one of the finest batman stories out there. To top it off it's second part is also good and follows up on a lot of the established story elements that white knight set up.
Man, I love this video.this comic really got to me and made me look at the whole gotham mythos in a completely different way and really got to me emotionally. This video brought back a lot of strong emotions
Thank you so much!
We can cry together 😀
The idea of a good guy Joker always intrigued me, mostly because I'm curious what would cause him to become a good guy.
Joker finally took his normal pills 😮
Batman: White Knight by Sean Gordon Murphy is one of the best Comics I've read.
It's definitely one of my recent favourites!
Fantastic video, Owen! So glad you covered this fascinating series.
“why you should read white knight” proceeds to retell an entire synopsis of the story so now i dont have to
By that logic their is no need to get laid if you've ever been on Porn hub. I say it's experiencing it for yourself. That's what makes it good.
Reading is not about the destination, but the journey. The concept of spoilers is for people who don't get that.
its not even about spoilers its the fact that this video is titled stupidly
@@stabbityjoe7588 hard disagree. His summary of the story makes me want to read the story more. At least I know I'm in for an interesting ride. Life too short for bad comic and wine.
BeingAMonkey i hate comics
I think that one of the things that I like so much about the story of White Knight is that, while there are alternate realities in which the roles of villains and heroes are completely reversed (for example, look at earth 3's crime syndicate, as they and this earth's version of Luthor are shown in the movie of "A crisis between two earths"), in the story of White Knight, instead of already making The Joker good and Batman the bad, they instead give more focus to the other, not as focused sides of each one of these characters, while also not changing the fact that Batman was a hero, and Joker was villain. Instead, the story pushes to explore elements of both characters in a way that makes us think "hey, why aren't we talking about THIS aspect of the character more?". This is a very refreshing aspect of Murphy's White Knight universe, and I would like to see more of it in the future 😁.
I wanted Jack to have a happy ending with Harley. I would be interested in a longer running series where he would be mayor or commissioner with Batman
I absolutely agree! Now that it finished, you should really do Curse of the White Knight, the sequel. It goes all out, even more than this. Both are modern classics.
Wow! I'm speechless..
Haven't read it yet but you've made a believer out of me.
I don't mind the spoilers at all.
Thanks for the recommended.
I definitely recommend reading it if you enjoyed the video, I only summarised and there's so much more that I didn't get chance to mention.
@@OwenLikesComics And my favorite little nugget is how Napier and Quintzel ended up, it really nice to know.
After seeing them a certain way for so many years this comes off as a refreshing take on their relationship dynamic that was otherwise smothered by all that shared craziness.
Closest we ever came to that outcome elsewhere was a Fantasy Reel in the Suicide Squad movie.
I consider Jack Napier as the real name of the Joker with 'The Killing Joke' having the origin of the main DC Universe.
I loved Joaquin Phoenix's 'Joker' but I consider that film to be an alternative Universe separate from the main DC Universe.
I like 'Batman: White Knight' and I wish DC Animation made an animated film based on it. I will consider that comic to define the two characters in 2010s after the DCEU failed.
Here's the thing he wasn't called Jack Napier in The Killing Joke Just Jack the Napier part came from Batman 89 and was adopted into elseworlds comic books for the Joker and Batman the Animated Series but it was never truly used in the main DC universe.
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I know that but that is my "head-canon" can't I have a "head-canon".
I like the idea of a multiverse. It makes everything canon in its own way. I’m with you though. It’s Jack to me.
I remember seeing my older brother read this when it came out!
After watching the other video I feel like THIS is the true All Star Batman story! Such a self-contained yet very packed with Batman goodness. Definitely a better story.
One of the best comics in years, a classic modern and my favourite elseword Batman comic. Yes, more than TDKR.
Agreed, it's definitely one of my favourites!
Possibly my favorite Batman elseworlds story. (Toss up between White Knight, Earth One, and Long Halloween)
Isnt Long Halloween canon though? Its basically the origin of Two face
@@jaredgarcia8638 It easily fits into the main canon but TLH & Dark Victory were both created as standalone elseworlds books not connected to anything else (although it is a batman: year one successor in spirit)
@@superheroedits1315 I thought Zero Hour said otherwise? Oh well.
@@jaredgarcia8638 I believe future stories such as zero hour retconned it into continuity, but at the time of its creation it was meant as a standalone elseworld’s tale. Sorry, should’ve specified that my bad
@@superheroedits1315 no. It's alright. I spent most my life thinking it was canon
Love this series so much. So hyped for the live streams!
man seeing the OG Harley i can't un-hear her VA's voice every time she's in anything really, she nailed Harley to a T in my books
Thank you for making this video Owen. this is one of my favorite elseworlds stories and I haven't read many Batman elseworlds stories so this one was a favorite of mine. plus it answer some questions I had everytime Batman and his Crusade on crime he doesn't get charged with any property damages or his vigilantism isn't put into question on how it's affecting the people who live in the city since he constantly puts in Danger with stories like Batman Eternal and no man's land and we are Robin storyline from The New 52 yet nobody says anything about it.
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it!
@@OwenLikesComics so when are you going to make the New Mutants video on fully embracing a genre. Or you going to put that on your list but you working on something else at the moment
Barberra: Bruce...why'd you forcefeed a clown some pills?
Batman: *BECAUSE MY BUTLERS DYING!*
Excellent video! I love this book and I'm really excited to read "Curse of the White Knight" and "Von Freeze"
Same here
I think it's fair to say that the standalone works are almost always the best (at least most of the time)
I honestly only had one major issue with the White Knight stuff. Where the hell is Catwoman? Other than that, I freaking enjoyed the hell out of both White Knight and Curse of the WK. I have yet to read Harley Quinn and I’m really excited for Beyond the White Knight.
8:04 “come together” 😏
haha, very funny
🎵Come together right now over me🎵 😀
Speaking of The Joker, apparently the Joker is the one who *SPOILERS* really created Two Face all along
I want to see this be adapted into a animated film, but I am might have doubts due to the current DC animated films.
Batman White Knight is so amazing
Agreed!
Nice video I hope to see more like this by the way could you do you secret empire next?
Secret Empire is something I'll do eventually, but I've already started working on the next one
I hope you get around to doing Batman : curse of the white knight id love to hear your thoughts on that book
Harley Quinn has kind of tackled this this season. It's really interesting, and the episode with Joker running his mayoral campaign deserves an Emmy
I loved this whole run.
I don't understand how these pills unbleach his skin???
My headcannon is that Napier paints his skin like Nicholson did in Batman '89.
@@OwenLikesComics im sure its that since the books is borrowing from batman history movies shows games and toys hell theres a page of Napier's cell covered head to toe in real batman merch
I really love this comic. It’s a simple yet interesting premise, and Murphys art is quite unique(as are his designs of the Batman characters)
i love batman white knight it was really awesome and badass
Agreed!
@@OwenLikesComics indeed :)
I like the premise, but I don't like where it goes with the Batman character... in "learning his lesson" Batman loses his essential element of being what the system of law can't be to achieve his fight against injustice. It's not satisfying to see that... its repulsive. The Joker's throughline was pretty solid though.
Totally agree. Fun read nonetheless though.
Famtastic comic, fantastic video man!
I'm gonna need a Curse of The White Knight video next dawg!
Fantastic Video! Have read the follow up? How do you think it compares to this one, and do you feel it works as a sequel?
Yeah but joker still killed a lot of people
Awesome breakdown.
It's good with it's weakest spot being Harley Quinn (the real one) being written in that response to how classic Harley used to be way where it's just not Harley anymore. Thing about HQ is she's not mature nor intelligent, canonically she blew/banged her teachers to get a degree, she's meant to be the equivalent of Joker in where he's not an agent of choas but a Jerk, a troll but actually pulls of his threats and wants she is an immature impulsive kid in a bombshell body. Would have probably enjoyed the book more if they Did the JOKER thing where they add OCs to fill roles and purpose but keep cores and absolute necessary characters. Just a healthy mix of new and familiar. Just look at Duke. EWW.
Great video! I just read the comics and couldn't agree more. It's one of my favorite Batman stories now.
Do Curse of the white knight next!
I don't like it. It's not that simple - "oh uhh the joker just needs to get his pills lol" - no, the joker is not a mental condition, it's a state of mind and an existential outlook! And the writers had Bruce act way out of character and generally be a total moron for the sake of Jack being the better man..
Not to mention Harley's much simplified and cartoonified situation that results from all of this
Can u do the same with renew your vows.....loved that series sad that they cancelled it
I thought it would be a video essay on the comic but this is just summary of the comic.
Have you read curse of the white knight? it was the continuing of this story it is also very good altho i am waiting on the last copy to come in mail cuz of the virus but very good so far
Now that the (possibly) final chapter of this story is being released, will you go back and revisit the multiple sequels to this story?
Plz do one on curse of the white Knight!
is it me or did I noticed something in this image in 3:53, when Owen mentions that Joker is going to control the villains of gotham and etc. I noticed the Mad Hatter hat that Harley is holding. My guess they had a talk with the Mad Hatter to control the villains, interesting he is no where to be found though. Also you mention they use clayface to control the villains you forgot to mention about how they had to do it. They used Mad Hatter's tools to do so, because the Mad Hatter is (I believe) the only one who knows how to control peoples minds
Trinston was here.
It starts out kinda weak, but man it's ending is peak.
Really shame we never saw more of this universe 😢
Calling this story an "Incredible" is really stretching it.
Let's not kid ourselves, it's all about the artwork. Designs are fantastic, coloring is great, visually it is 10 out of 10.
But story is just franchise referential fanfiction about Sean Gordon Murphy self-insert OC. Like most fanfictions, for it's story to work, it goes against established rules of the original, by that destroying internal logic, and makes whole thing nonsensical.
As a dumb fun it's great, but as a serious story it's just laughable.
Seeing as how they're set to make a sequel to 'Joker', maybe they should draw from elements of this, especially if they continue the themes of class warfare.
You have to suspend your disbelief considering even if Joker is now sane he is still a mass murderer so people complaining about property damage vs being okay with all the things Joker has done is a bit strange, but for the story they are telling and being set outside continuity, it works and was a really fascinating premise.
I also love the kinda modern take on the gotham by gaslight costume.
It's kind of funny that Joker is genuinely a nice guy when he's not insane lol.
Imagine if this becomes a movie
I like this story, but the only complaint I have is Joker's sane persona is almost a different character. I would have liked it if there was just a little more "Joker" in him, as in the sense of humor and cleverness--it is added to Jack in later comics, and it's just a small nitpick. Otherwise, it's a good series, though. I recommend it.
I'm still not a huge fan of this comic. It has some interesting ideas but other aspects feel fanficy
Does anyone know if Curse of the White Knight has been collected into a single volume yet?
Don't think so, but I could be mistaken
@@OwenLikesComics Okay. I thought there'd be one soon because the story is wrapping up.
@@OwenLikesComics oh and can you a I'm the sequel of the story the second ones you read all of it or at least had it in a collection? I would really appreciate it
@@ShinReacts one issue still left
I need to read this! When I first heard about it I thought it would be another generic deconstructionist story explaining why Batman would suck if he was a real person. However it sounds like Murphy managed to tell a really interesting batman story that explores the character more in depth than just repeating the same criticisms of batman that you can find in any CZcams comments section. Thanks for showing me I was wrong!
the only thing that i didnt like about this comic is that they say that jason was the first robin and grayson the second
A legitimate masterpiece that has only gotten more and more interesting as it’s continued into White Knight Beyond.
Great series
What if, The Joker took normal pills.
This comic value in my eye become really low after read some old Batman comic, glad i read this comic first
I honestly just don't like it. I don't like the concept, I don't like the direction they took Batman in, I don't like Joker/Jack's character and I hated how they portrayed Harley. I honestly think the only reason it's liked is because people will generally believe that being unique automatically makes a story good.
Hysterical I kind of have to agree with you. As I was reading it I loved it, but near the end I found myself cringing more and more. The whole thing with Jack dramatically carrying Batman in the rain and the reveal of Harley being the “true white knight” were just poorly written imo. The art is phenomenal and there were aspects I enjoyed, but I don’t think this comic is as good as people say it is. Sad how the industry is so mangled that this is considered a masterpiece of writing.
@@hollyshock8400 if you compare it to dc writing then it's a masterpiece
@@hollyshock8400 also everyone has opinions
I did love how j manipulated the public the way politicians and higher education does these days - he went full evil
I honestly didn't like it. Everything about it is an amazing reach to conceive, asking us to assume this will work BECAUSE COMICS. It's too much to ask to have a character being too smart, just to advance the plot. The art, too looks like little more than concept art sketches. Not my thing at all.
tf r u talking ab the art looks more polished than most
No. Just no. I HATE Superhero Deconstructions, I always have and always will. I’m sick and tired of Batman being blamed for all of Gotham’s problems when the city was messsed up before he put on the cowl. Also once again the story does the myth that Batman doesn’t do enough as Bruce Wayne when in fact he does JUST AS MUCH AS BRUCE AS HE DOES AS BATMAN, the only cliché that wasn’t added was the other myth that Batman creates his enemies even though if you look at their origins it’s not true.
he doesnt do as much as bruce wayne in this story. for ur last point tho, I think one of the news reporters said that they all showed up after him, implying he caused them to.
It’s OK, though. This is a “multiverse” one of the MANY earths destroyed in CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS …
it’s not part of the canon, neither should it be. It’s OK. DC continuity should really try bringing back POST CRISIS 2008-9 … so many reboots make comics trash ..
Take that Tom King that is how you make Alfred’s death meaningful and not just shocking.
alfred's death was more of didio's fault than tom king's. tom king didn't want to write the death of Alfred; the "death" was suppose to be a fake out.
The Joker is irredeemable lol
To be honest... everything sounds terrible...
Worst comic I've ever read than everybody else loved
Your one of the best comic channels I've found latley (2022) keep up the good work @hoodwood_comics