One Minute Bunkai: Chinto (Kyan) #4
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- This is the classical opening sequence for the Tomari Chinto Kata of Kosaku Matsumura. This is the Chotoku Kyan version from the Seibukan Dojo. Here we show a rear double wrist grab as the attack. The entry into this application follows the rear stepping 45 degree direction exactly as it is done in the kata. Initially the opponent is placed into a very difficult position where his right wrist is in a very painful lock. If the defender drops him at this point, he will not have any hands to break the fall thus it is a very hard fall potentially landing on the head. There is a logical follow up shown which is a classic elbow control and drop to place the attacker flat on his face, from here there is an optional head stomp to the back or side of the head with the heel, and if that is not enough there is also a simple armbar which potentially can snap the elbow, and it is not over yet, at the same time the arm bar is being applied you have a very painful twisting lock and control on the attacker’s fingers. This is a great example of why we love Okinawan Karate and its marvelous tradition of effective combat application.
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I do not worry. I do not put anything on this channel that does not work out right. All I can say is that Judy was not faking it , I was not helping her, and I was really trying to restraint her. Now I agree that this two hand grab may not be the ideal one anyone may experience but there it is, and it is sound and it works. This technique can be seen way back in ancient Japan and it is part of the repertoire of old style Jujitsu. So it has some merit.
BTW- this channel is not meant for the "CZcams Dojo Generation" and all the "Armchair quarterbacks" who have opinions without classical training. To all of you get some experience, get some wisdom, grow some bodily hair and in 10 or 15 years maybe you will have something of value to share.
Oneminutebunkai 110% agreed. It's amazing how people see something for the first time, can't understand how it could work, and just dismiss it rather than actually read up about it, study and analyse and try it for themselves....which is basically the path knowledge in karate, or anything else, for that matter.
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I think this Bunkai works as far as it goes (have seem this worked out with opening motions of Pinyan Sadan also) but like another commenter, I have to wonder what the likelihood of someone grabbing both wrists from behind is. Would a kata begin with a defense for an attack that would only happen a tiny fraction of a percent of the time? Thanks for putting it up. Thought provoking and well done.
This is another example of theory that doesn't work in real life. Why would anyone stay still and keep their hold on a persons wrist when they are trying to go out the backdoor? Noramlly a person would reposition themselves resist getting their arms bent and let go of an awkward grip and re-grab someone or hit them.
Smooth.
A "few" errors in this...
1st of being the reality of someone grabbing both wrists at the same time.
2nd the arms move in a totally different mechanics and end up in totally different position.
3rd letting go of your grip mid movement just by grabbing the opponents wrist again in a different manner.
4th armbar isn't done in an applicable way regarding to mechanics and joint movement, basically anything.
5th the details and explanations aren't even remotely near the intended portion of the kata.
+Rami Niemi Have to test this, I and sceptical, but never know before try few times. Weakest link in this (To me) seems to right arm should go back with pretty weak muscles. Looks cool, good for demonstration if not anything more :D
+Rami Niemi It's "an" application, not the "only" application. In the unlikely event of being grabbed this way, it wouldn't be my first choice. I wouldn't even call it a good choice, but it's another tool in the toolbox.
You negating a possible reality is not an error. And as far as all the other things about it not working, well tell it to my wrists and arms..wait don't bother they were in too much pain to listen. And your 5th point about it not corresponding to a Kata, talk to the Matsubayashi Chinto kata.
Keep it real, the offender want grab your wrist from behind if they get that close they'll just knock the Hell out of you and take what ever they want.
To keep it real : Neko Ashi Dachi is the typical close contact struggle, where you can move only your hip outside first, hook his leg sometimes with your rear leg to avoid bigger throws etc. . The step here is ... symbolic.
@@kenkongermany7860 Understand.
Hmm I think if the person holding the wrists are using all his strength, the lade in front wont be able to get the back arm swung to the front like that, most likely her right arm will get stuck behind her, because a person cannot generate much muscle force when their arms are bend backward like that, at least not enough to overpower a regular person holding it.
+TriEssence Martial Arts There's always the option of running into the attacker as you back up to buy you a bit of time. Just have to break his structure enough to move.
You say her arms would get stuck behind her...that would be true if she were trying to pull forward and resist the grab. You're right that a person can't generate enough force to pull her arms forward. But nstead, she rotates her torso, then steps back, in the same direction as the grab. So the goal here isn't to overpower, because trying that is futile.
Rohan Davey Its still all the same, as long as the person pulling is using all his power, the forces will collide at the shoulder joint and she will get stuck, its wrong to assume that while you are stepping back and rotation the other person would have no response at all, live ppl tend to react and change the focus of their power.
TriEssence Martial Arts True, which is why the next stage of practice would be to work this in a live practice against a fully resisting opponent. What you're seeing here is a demonstration, just one explanation of the kata's sequence and how it would apply in this situation.
In a live practice or fight, the defender wouldn't do it this slowly, and the attacker wouldn't just sit there. The defender would move as quickly as possible, cutting down on the attacker's reaction time. It would be a mistake to view this demo as an example of an actual fight. This is simply an explanation of the technique, much like how a boxing trainer punches in slow motion against a compliant attacker to demonstrate how to properly perform a technique.
Rohan Davey I understand this is not a real fight, I'm saying this method would not work in a real situation, not against someone with basic understanding to motion, decent reaction and some physical strength. Just look carefully, soon as she step side ways, her right arm starts off in such a bad angle, its against human biomechanic, if the other person jus apply force at that point to hold her wrist in place, its not possible for her to move her right arm over, and last I checked ppl who actually bother holding other person during a real conflict will hold with all their strength not fake hold like in this video.
How can you have an armbar when you are in front of the elbow?
+Robert Koenig By moving behind it
By lifting up on the arm as noted in the video. The elbow joint is pressed against the underside of the leg.
Usually you guys produce some interesting bunkai, but unfortunately in this case I'm disappointed. This will NEVER work in a live situation. Especially the first section of kata you are demonstrating. Please keep your videos limited to techniques that are effective in live combat situations that do not require a compliant partner to work, doing otherwise is a disservice(not to mention dangerous) to the viewing public.