Logic Pro X's Deadly Drum Machine Designer | The Demise of Maschine
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2023
- I recently sold my native instruments maschine mk3 after discovering how powerful and flexible drum machine designer in logic pro x is. 🤯 This is the story about how it went down and sort of a drum machine designer in logic pro x tutorial.
When it comes to my music production in logic pro, this has officially replaced my old drum machine used for making beats.
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You also can drag a drum loop into Drum machine Designer and it will automatically separate all the drum parts for you.
For real?
what!?
the point of maschine is the physical controller and the ability to play live/control mostly everything onboard without looking at your computer screen or using a mouse. this is not exactly a comparison of like things.
The only thing keeping me from using DMD is Logic’s inability to preview sounds while the track is playing.
That’s the ONLY REASON I used Maschine over Logic can’t preview sounds while beat is playing
@@SirMrMaster 😂. Same here bro its so damn simple and stupid to not have this simple function. Yet I can run many plugins and other programs while running logic.
Fair point about DMD being great, but to say Maschine is just a drum machine is similar to saying a car is just a seat. Yes, you can sit in it, but it does a whole lot more. When you use the Maschine software, especially paired with Komplete Kontrol, and when you have the entire Komplete library, browsing through kits, sounds, beats, instruments, samples and one shots, with immediate preview, and through a tactile drum machine controller, it is hard to replicate that experience with a mouse and non velocity/aftertouch sensitive keyboard keys. Plus, Maschine can be a MIDI controller, audio interface and a live performance controller (even for a DAWless rig in MIDI mode). Then if you have a Maschine JAM to pair it with, it is a control and creativity powerhouse. And its software is compatible with Windows and Mac. Yes, if someone is all Logic, Win compatibility may not matter, but considering the non-Plus version of Maschine is not exactly an overpriced collector item that would fetch a lot of money when sold used, I think keeping it if you already have it just leaves you a bunch of fun and creative options. Which is what music making is all about for many of us.
💯 This is also true!
I just re-watched this video again, and you’ve answered the question I was asking myself about why the recordings were all on the master bus track, and not under each individual track! I would select each sound, but then have to find the right pitch of the sound or sample. Recording it on the master track and then doing right click then Separate by note pitch is THE ONE 🔥🔥🔥. Thank you!! 👏🏾👏🏾
Maaaaaaan I’ve been trying to tell people not to sleep on Logic Pro. DMD, quick sampler, and the step sequencer changed the game big time. Logic on iPad changed it AGAIN. Glad you’re enjoying it!
@MusicalExperimentations if you don’t mind the $5 subscription I’d go Logic Pro. Drum machine designer and step sequencer alone are worth it imo.
should have kept the maschine and midi mapped a template for drum designer - best of both worlds
While I get what you are saying, you can use Maschine as just a drum module as well. Just right click on the drum group and choose Group Midi Batch and choose Midi notes. Done. You can then just play you drums directly in Logic (not through the Maschine controller though). I've been doing that for years (since 1.3 I think when they added the midi feature). That being said DMD is nice if you don't want to do the back and forth dance between Maschine and Logic.
I agree with you but one of my issues with Native instruments is the clunkiness of the VST inside a DAW like Ableton. You can get frustrated real quick.
@@CDMESDI never minded. I only really stopped using Maschine because it’s would just cause too many crashes and issues as a plug-in and got fed up with dealing with that. The problem is that Maschine has great sounds, you can use Battery I guess but I don’t like Battery 4 that much (loved 3). So I just use whatever drum module my DAW has at this point.
I was thinking about leaving Logic until the improved DMD a few years back and know I can’t get off of it!!😂
🤣
Very helpful video. Thank you.
I've started to make templates and saving sets of kits for ease of use. It's become the first thing I open when a Logic session 🙌🏾. Game-changer!!
(If you have a Komplete Kontrol keyboard, the Maschine functionality is still there, minus the pads 😆)
Yes, I noticed that as well! 🙌🏾
it absolutely was insightful! my workflow was very close to your w/ maschine and logic, dragging the audio over and if I needed to make a change to a pattern go make another and drag it lol…. it worked BUT this can help 4 real!! I just have a question can you use the MK3 still to do the programming into logic? and how can you use your 3rd party drums in logic??
Logic really is beautiful in many ways, always improving and being welcoming too.
Thanks
I’ve stubbornly been using Maschine because it is what I know. But I’ve had enough with the limitations am moving onto Logic. Thanks for the video.
I’ve been selling this idea for 6 years - always confused why grooveboxes are popular when you can do everything and more in Logic or Ableton! Still, I think many prefer the tactile vibe of an MPC or Maschine. GrooveBox or DAW, which is better?
This sounds like a game-changer for me. I was trying to figure out how to get a drum kit, to export into stems, now this sounds like a easy way to do it. Thanks for dropping this gem about Drum Designer.
if you use the producer drum kits you also can get individual audio tracks. even left and right overhead mics, cymbal mics specifically, each tom, snare top/bottom, kick in/out. etc.
another way would be take your drums midi and bounce in place. and bounce them as individual tracks when you do. this will automatically take your programmed tracks and split them by source
Yeah man most definitely.
How can I find and use my maschine kits in DMD.. im not sure if its possible. Thanks
Logic Pro X + iPad Logic Pro app is the Maschine and MPC killer. My 8 year old iPad works just fine with it
I have yet to fully explose the drum designer in Logic. I have the Maschine Mikro. It's mostly just an expensive pad controller but I like. I mainly use Battery 4 for my drums. Thanks for the video. I'mma have to dive into drum designer.
Yeah man. I’m gonna dig deeper into some of the fx and features myself but definitely liking it so far.
I never really thought of DMD as a Maschine killer but given that every pad is on its own MIDI channel and can be played chromatically, and host instruments as well as samples…o guess it is!
Great video, good sir. I still have my (bought when they dropped) Alesis SR-16 and my ZOOM RhythmTrak 234, so I'm old-er school than many. lol
They are both packed away with my Tascam 464 PortaStudio and ZOOM MRS-8CD recording thingies. I'm a Logic Pro X guy (who started in 2012 on GarageBand).
Drum Machine Designer is, indeed, The Business. 🙂
I’m a Logic head so I feel you but honestly I’ve only used my mk3 in controller mode . I honestly got it because sometimes I just want to do something different and I like to physically push the pads . But I also got a mpc when I don’t want to use the computer at all and sonically there’s a huge difference and from a headroom perspective I truly understand why analog is better than digital nevertheless I’m always going to end back up in logic
Couldn’t you sample that into the drum machine and still use the pads as the instrument in Logic?
Machine and Logic is the best combo
Best thing for sync, especially when customer wants revisions.
So I hate having to work in more then one daw years ago i started doing everything in fl studio. I have machine and now I just use machine as a MIDI Controler and just trigger my custome kits with sounds from all over and i can always go back and move the midi info or change out a drum sample.
Native Instruments Battery. XLN Addictive Drums. Toontrack Superior Drummer… All of them do exactly what you showed with Drum Designer
yeah since like 2002 i think lol . maschine also does this just hit edit button smh
They do it, but the workflow is a lot less streamlined.
But you don’t have to pay extra to have it in Logic. That’s the whole point. He said he slept on it for a while, which means that he either didn’t know it was there or knew it was there, but didn’t take it seriously. This is free in Logic so you don’t have to spend money on anything else.
Yep! XO, SD3 and Battery 4 are my thumpers
😂😂
Oh my gosh, that's what I was telling myself... A few months ago I bought UVI Drum Designer because it was less than half priced, and was so glad to finally catch it. But I was in school so didn't give it a look by the time. Then while working on Logic, I noticed that mysterious Drum Designer... don't know when it appeared... It seems so crazy. What lucky times for those who know their path !
Except for the last part with the iPad integration. You know u could of made a template in your Daw for machine to do exactly everything u just described. Yes the initial setup takes some time but after that your all set. I've done this in Studio One.
so, I definitely want to have the tactile experience of using pads, as if using a keyboard (I think...) - do you know if Macschine or some other controller could control the drum machine designer?
Great video thank you!
Glad you liked it!
I have to agree with you, no longer needed, the power and features are amazing, it's all there.
Yeziir! Still like Maschine for the feel of drumming on the pads though fam!🤣
True…hopefully I don’t break these keys 🎹 over here 🤣
@@clintmusic1 😂
iPad to Mac is like one to one but some Au3 plugins are on the Mac too
I'm undecided to be honest and keep going back and forth between the two. DMD is amazing as you've demonstrated and I agree with all the points you made BUT.... because it's tagging system I find I'm able to audition and search for sounds quicker on Maschine Mk3 so I stay in a flow state longer.
Anyone know of any good methods for searching and auditioning sounds on Logic in a similar fashion to Maschine??
Ah yeah. Depending on how you organize your sounds using the search browser on the right may help a bit.
@@clintmusic1 Thanks for the pointer. I've ended making some Maschine Track Stacks for various scenarios and saving them as presets in Logic.
Seems to be a nice compromise so far. Will definitely start using DMD as well.
I use mpc in Logic but im going to look further in to this how would you do snare rolls or kick rolls i guess maybe draw them in ? but thanks Clint
There's a way, but I have to go back in a play with it more because I couldn't find it last time I was working...but one time I was able to get into a different view to be able to click in rolls.
Use the step sequencer. It’s pretty easy to use and has a lot of flexibility.
@@WriteJus thanks and in my research I found out that note repeat can be used which is pretty dope also
Dope video
Another tactic I use is load a drum sample loop into Serato Sampler and set my loop points
The only thing that holds me from using Logic is that is lacks the scales mode that Ableton and FL have, or maybe I just don’t know how to activate it if it has it. Like I know my scales, but sometimes I’m not carrying a midi keyboard with me and I just want to click in fast. Having scales makes it easier.
I'm not sure if it's on the desktop version, but I believe they have something similar on Logic Pro for iPad.
@@clintmusic1 they have scaled keyboard on Logic for iPad which comes all the way from GarageBand iOS even before Logic launched in iPad.
Hopefully they add it to desktop version cuz I’m personally a Ableton and FL user, but I accept that Ableton is better at workflow in my opinion. Nonetheless I want to get into Logic, which I own, cuz I can compose ideas on iPad and move them seamlessly on desktop which in turn helps me be more productive since I can compose anything on the iPad anywhere. Having those scale modes would be changing for me.
And the best of all, you can save and instantly load up your kits🙌🏼
Facts!
For anyone who wants to recreate the Maschine workflow but on a budget inside of Studio One. I suggest picking up the Presonus Atom controller. It works perfectly with the Impact XT which is a virtual MPC built into Studio One. You also have a fantastic step sequencer in there too for your drums.
simple user interface is so important@ I love Logic but lately I've been hitting Koala Sampler for Mac (free) with the Maschine Mikro MK3 all mapped out.
Need that prepping music for sync info 🫡
Here’s the link to the free guide: www.clintproductions.com/freeguide
I bought all these tools and drum designer machine in logic was always there. Group the channels together for hats and rides and 808s and polyphony so they don't clash.
What a trader............Lol Jp. I do love the drum sequencer in Logic. It's 🔥!
🤣🤣 ikr
I've considered this too
it's cool however you can set up Maschine to work as midi within Logic Pro. Also the swing is so good in Maschine as is note repeat but I hear where you're coming from @ClintMusic
I love Logic designer, But I switch PC to ST1 and Ableton . My studio Library was to big for an M1 Mac. Unable to boot or install to external HD, so Apple had to Go!
You haven't even touched on the PATTERN region to program loops and how an iPad with Logic Remote app can utilize all that in a touch interface.
I have a AKAi MPD218 with MPC pads which goes for under 100 bucks, and have it mapped to Drum Machine Designer. All I ever need.
Literally use DMD all the time! It’s amazing!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Dope! I’m loving it bro!
You can import all your Battery kits, or NI Expansions into DMD. Easy. Logic Drum Machine Designer | How to convert kits from Battery, Ultrabeat & Other Drum Apps
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I've always liked using NI battery
Kind of reminds me of Battery.
The iPad xfer is a winner though!
YES bro. That was clutch
Question, can you just design the Maschine IN the Drum Machine Designer.
😮
I'm ngl😂...
This is way more efficient than Maschine.
Of course, Maschine will always have its place. The feel of its pads is unmatched, in my opinion.
Right? 🤣 I feel you on the pads for drums though. Def preferred.
You can use maschine as controller for dmd goofy
How far in your understanding do you know of Maschine? Everything you're saying is possible in Maschine, it just looks different.
It offers nothing that maschine does not offer : one loses a mighty drum controller
and this is just a wrapper or a shell for logic samplers ...
Cheers 🥂
Except that you don't have to pay extra for this and it's not just a wrapper for Logic samplers. You can drop in any plugin onto DMD. ANY PLUGIN. Serum, Massive X, Analog Lab, whatever.
@@dannyvalentino328 for sure
you didn’t play one sound!!! really???
This is so behind Abletons drum rack and simpler. Logic lame AF. Logic has too many drop down menus, takes an eternity to actually get to making music.
That's a you problem. I make music all the time in Logic and it's quick as hell to make music.
Bro, you say “you know” way too many times…… smh🤦🏻♂️
Yeah, sometimes I don't even notice it...you know?
@@clintmusic1 all good man, just teasing you. Great video.
Zing!
If you’re an apple user, logic is a no brainer. It’s 200 bucks and bad ass. Ableton prices are out of control these days and the software is pretty much the same as it’s been for 15 years.