How The Champions League Final Loss AFFECTED Arsenal’s Invincibles…
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- This week on the Fozcast we have Arsenal Legend and Invincible, Freddie Ljungberg on the pod! We talk to Freddie about that chaotic Champions League Final against Barcelona in 2006 and the impact of going down to 10 men after Jens Lehmann’s early red card!
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This loss still hurts me 😞
I was 11 years old at the time and was on a school trip and still remember both the euphoria of the goal and ripping my top off and running round the room like a lunatic lol and the loss was so gutting 😢
Absolutely. Even today.
@@abczyx2k15xI was 9 years old in my living room tasting victory when we went 1-0 up and the loss was heartbreaking for me.
😢
But that team was 🔥🔥🔥
Unless we ever win a ucl in my lifetime I don’t think I’ll ever recover from 06 😭
at least we win 1-0 vs Madrid. and makes a invincible season EPL.
larsoon, Ronaldinho, Etoo, Beletti.
I still proud of Arsenal in UCL,
Arsenal 5-1 inter
Arsenal 2-0 Juve
Arsenal 2-0 Milan
Arsenal 1-0 Madrid
Arsenal 0-0 Madrid ( with senderos vs R9 )
Winning the Champions League in 2006 would have been simply PERFECT for Arsenal as it was in France with the heavy French connections and also the year we left Highbury which would've made our transition into the Emirates smoother. 😭
Moving into the Emirates was always going to a cold start. Remember thinking at the time it's going to take a good decade or more to make it feel like home. Definitely have started to build some great memories there so far and feels like home now.
Agreed also bergkamp last game, Henry lifting the champions league after the invincibles would have been greatest trophy, all the invincibles having a cl trophy to their name like Campbell, Wenger would have got one lost goes on
@@user-rj8gd9of1pBut Vieira wasn't in the team that season so it wouldn't be all the invincibles. Vieira never made it past the Quarter-finals of the ChampionsLeague in his whole career for anyone.
@@FootkerSnookball didn’t mention Vieira most of them bar him was in that team
@@FootkerSnookball also he had a champions league medal for his contributions for inter Milan in 2009
Think we’d have won if Jens stayed on the pitch
Completely agree.
I reckon you would have won if you scored more goals than Barcelona
Yeah, but he didn’t.
Would've been one -nil down against us with Prime Eto and Ronaldinho plus a young Iniesta coming in after half time
With Henry bottling every chance against Valdes you'd have no chance
@@superchacho777 Eh? We still managed to go 1-0 up with only 10 men. What killed us in the game was we ran out of steam due to that fact. Had it been 11v11 it could well have gone in our favour.
Freddie the 👑
That Thierry Henry miss on about 70 mins was when Arsenal lost it. He’d buried that exact same chance in the Premier League time and again, yet missed the biggest chance of all as he was just knackered.
That chance will never sit well with me. Till this day ive always said that was the weakest I've ever seen him kick a ball. His second goal against saudi arabia at France 98 was from a similar angle but different finish. Still kills me till today
Why didn't he just go around the keeper and knock it into an empty net. All Valdes can do is foul you which means an automatic pen.
@MaximilianXXX marquez was right there. Think he should've tried placing the ball by the goalkeeper rather than placing across him
Dominated the game for around 80 minutes with ten men. Had Jens stayed on the pitch we would have won that game.
Should have taken off Hleb. Pires was always one for a big goal
Ljunberg explained why Pires was taken off due to his lack of work rate tracking back which you can't get away with when playing with 10 men.
That makes soo much sense@@aidygooner
at that days, Ljungberg & Hleb was on a top form, Pires is good. but on thats season pires is not in good form... when arsenal reach the Final UCL.
Disagree. Pires was still the man@@rinohermawan14
Well, I'll give you credit for the fact that you said 'should have', and not 'should of'. This shows you at least know how to speak proper English.
But as for the body of your comment? Completely idiotic.
So you'd take of a young twenty-something year old player over an aging 33 year old in a game that you are down to ten men against one of the best possession teams in football? Are you drunk or something?
It hurts me more that we lost it 😭
That season the players from Invincibles were already on a steep decline, the champions league run papered over the cracks on what was the worst seasons we had (at the time) in years. We could hardly buy an away win in the league and we started to get bullied by the likes of bolton (OG Stoke)
It took me years to get over that game. Can still not Watch more then the first half😅
Freddy has a nice mix of Swedish and British accent. Love the guy, same with all the others from the team back then. Easily the best team Arsenal ever had.
Freddies one of my top 10 best ever arsenal player's,and he's totally forgotten by most arsenal fans when talking about top notch arsenal players,he scored and assisted so many important goals for us and always gave his all on the pitch a true team player and arsenal legend
Top class
Thierry Henry cost Arsenal that game with those 2 misses
Who got Arsenal there though? It can happen.
@@kristoffsamm10 English your first language? I clearly said “that game”. I wasn’t referring to nothing else but “that game”
@@mr__OK don’t get your point tbh
@@kristoffsamm10did we score goals in finals ?Answer is no.Henry is not big game player
@@liversalah5560 foolish comment, scoring goals aren’t the only part of the game and I know he cooked the legendary Italy defense in the euros final and scored in the confederations cup final
Rewatched this game yesterday and in terms of shape, spacing, quality of football you can see how much the game has evolved..
2006 champions league defeat still hurts 😢
11 v 11 we win that game no fucking doubt about it
@002redu
What is the purpose of that comment?? You're talking half hypothetically imagining a game that didn't exist where your goalkeeper didn't commit a last man foul to prevent a certain goal then but then you're no doubt still keeping the illegal goal Arsenal scored? You went 1-0 up when you should've been 1-0 down and you're complaining about the ref who helped you??
It's like that game vs ManUtd when Arsenal scored 2 offside goals and they still played it off like they'd been robbed because Campbell decided to give himself a red card????😂
@@a.demifemiflapo5795 You're only talking about the knockout stage not the whole tournament and don't get me started on their PL campaign.
As I said, it only became a close win for Barca because they had the goal chalked off then Arsenal went 1 up instead and I'm sure Barca weren't happy with that but they get on with it where as Arsenal don't deal with adversity well and they already have their excuses lined up if they lose. That's how they played under Wenger, the pressure was off because they either won or blamed everyone else but themselves if they didn't.
Even in title races, they'd have all the confidence at the start that their squad is the best and they'd say we can go unbeaten but if they then lost the title they'd give the excuse that ManUtd could spend more and we've done well just to compete with them which is a complete cop-out and Arsenal compensated for their lesser transfer budgets by getting SolCampbell from Spurs for free somehow so what Wenger is doing complaining about ManUtd being able to buy RioFerdinand a year later who actually wasn't even at his absolute peak at the time as much as Sol was when Arsenal were lucky enough to get him for free and ManUtd earned their money anyway and apart from if Sol & Cashley were playing Arsenal would pretty much field full foreign squads a number of times which you used to not be allowed to do but it was a cheaper option which compensated for lesser transfer budget and actually during this CL run they had games where they didn't play any English or even British players they had the fake accolade of being the first English team to beat RealMadrid at the Bernabeu when RMadrid played 2 English players to Arsenal's zero and also the Top4 being able to qualify for CL unlike previous years helped Arsenal qualify for it way more times than they would've normally been able to which in turn gave them still a decent amount to spend so to bring up money is weak but either way they were happy with their team until they lost. But they had no one but themselves to blame they probably had more WorldCup/Euro's winners in their team than their title rivals.
But many underdog teams would've preferred to be a goal up & a man down than a goal down and 11 vs 11.
Either way if it was the other way round and Arsenal were given same decisions as Barca got for & against but Arsenal ended up losing they would've blamed the ref for chalking off their goal at 0-0 saying they would've preferred to be a goal up rather than a goal down.
@@a.demifemiflapo5795 I answered easily to that. For some reason my reply has been taken off by people who can't stand the truth idk
@@a.demifemiflapo5795 No I didn't
@@a.demifemiflapo5795 I never do that because I always rip people to shreds in football debates so there's never any need for that.
I wrote a long one and I'm annoyed it's not there anymore but as I said people don't like the truth I guess.
Would much rather have taken going down 1-0 but keeping 11v11. Sending off ruined the game ultimately.
Was so fixed
11 vs 11 they could not deal with Ronaldinhos pass at 18minute
The way Dinho released Etoo
@@chillahslocalnonsense.
@@arfenmalik1717 They managed to deal with the mighty Ronaldinho that day with 10 men so not sure what game you were watching. Just accept he had an off day.
@marzipanmonkey
Right before Lehmann got sent off go and watch who made that pass then you will realize the impact of Ronaldinho
Henrik Larsson won the game for Barca, completely changed the game when he was brought on as sub.
What a player Freddie was!
That barca side was still heavily loved world wide, even by neutrals, that fans are blinded and adamant they still would of beaten arsenal....but there was no question in my mind that 11 vs 11 arsenal would of won that game....they looked on fire while they had all the men on the field and barca were not on top....even with only 10 men arsenal were still solid against them and led for most of the match.
Like Henry said, Ronaldinho never turned up, Larsson changed it all.....fair play to Barca because they did the job, but for many they would rather have conceded the penalty and kept Jens on the field (and pires) but the ref chose to ruin the game in my opinion....and many believe he gifted Barca that game with that descision and ruined what could of been a classic final.
I know that Barca line-up was insane(with prime R10 on top of that)...... but man, we were so good that UCL season..... I couldn't believe we managed to score first, after Lehmann got sent off
I remember how much I cried myself to sleep that day. I think I'll only heal from this loss when we win the UCL under our current incarnation.
I was 7 years old that time.My father was Arsenal fans and i became Arsenal fans too.Still remember my father tears when that game ended.😢
You'll be in pain you're whole life then kid 😂😂😂
As an Arsenal fans, I still find it hard to watch The CL final game.
I can’t even watch this it’s heartbreaking
Good old Uefa-lona, they was bound to get the decision's, so the loss never hurt me as much as it should 😄
Im still not over this
If it was 11 vs 11 Arsenal would have won, they were the better team.
Bullshit they got their goal off a dive and had Henry in prime bottle mode
Eto goal was offside Ronaldinho had an off game.
Henry practically ran the game and just didn’t score.
@Kzeditzzz387
Ronaldinho pass is what led to the redcard. In under 20minutes Dinho he had released Etoo n he was about to burry
Arsenals problems started with Dinhos pass
@@arfenmalik1717 Our problems started from the ref. If one assist means he did do something. Henry did 10x more but gets called a choke artist
@Kzeditzzz387
Do you realize that season Arsenal did not concede a goal in the knockout stage until they met Dinho n in under 20minutes he had released Etoo 1vs1 with the keeper. Get it.
Henry gets called a choke artist bcoz he is... how many chances did he choke 1vs1 against Valdes. He actually run to Barca for a chance to win ucl instead of sticking at Arsenal n trying again n again
Can we all agree that Almunia cost us the UCL? Two easy saves.
It was a dark night and still hurts me.
This loss killed me - I took 2 days off after lol 😂😢
It hurts, I was there, still remember Thierry Henry with a chance to make it 2-0 for the 10 men.
UEFALONA 2005-2015
Go cry more you bottlers 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What about the cycling part of the cycling gk?
Wrong channel
Campbell goal was the 30th minute in the 1st half
Still hurts, will always hurt
If you go back and watch alot of the big barcelona games, you will see how favorable decisions gifted them alot of games. Watch alot of the big games from messi era and the decisions wathcing them now are ridiculous.
Jens ruined his whole arsenal career with that red card
Surprisingly articulate… I’d always imagined Ljungberg sounded more like a pirate
I believe arsenal where the better team that night if Henry could of finished half the chances he had I mean he just couldn't stick it away which was very unlike him because in the first fifteen minutes I remember Henry get threw on goal one on one and just not taking his chances I believe that's what caused us to lose but that team gave everything with only fourteen minutes I remember crying because I knew it was gonna be a long time to see arsenal get that close to winning it again
henrik larsson super sub
💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
If Arsenal won that game. We'd hsve bragging rights till this day.
Henrik larsson changed that final with two assists
What a player
😢
They cheated the ref took a bung in a brown paper bag
10 player.. we lead 1-0 from sol campbell...
if 11 players i think wi will first our UCL Throphy.
Refree kills the game with Red Card to Jens Lehmann
You would've been 1-0 down if J.Lehmann didn't get the red card 🤦♂️
@@FootkerSnookball if we play 11-11. i think Arsenal will still win the Game.
@@rinohermawan14 I don't and they didn't because Lehmann commited a last man foul when Barca were about to score and literally did then it was disallowed to send Lehmann off your argument is as pointless as can be.
@@rinohermawan14 Plus Arsenal's goal came from a wrongly awarded freekick from Eboue dive. I'm guessing you're keeping that goal but being hypothetical with everything that went against you not that went for?
@@FootkerSnookball Nahhh Lehmann not deserved get Redcard. He must get Yellow, last man stand, but the ball still outside the GK Line. and lehmand not tackle etoo, he slide the ball..
Barcelona are being investigated for paying ref
Should have won it 2004
Even if they beat Chelsea they still had 2 hard rounds to go through.
@James-st9uu
People tend to say that but really ManUtd were on the lucky end of the draw that particular year and they literally would've gone on to win it if the eventual winners (Porto) didn't rob them in R16. Scholes was played onside by 4 Porto players yet had crucial goal wrongly disallowed for offside when Porto were playing poor in the first half of the 2nd leg.
Usually ManUtd have to be amazing to win things, especially the ChampionsLeague. 2 CL's they won in invincible style whilst scoring loads of goals throughout the tournament despite hard routes but that year was supposed to be their lucky one which they should be entitled to because many other CL winners have had a lucky one or 2 etc... obviously ManUtd had a decent group stage campaign that 03/04 season far more convincing than Arsenal's who nearly were eliminated after just 4 games but for 88th minute winner followed by 2 more wins but ManUtd's knockout path that season was more EuropaLeague standard hence why a team like Porto managed to win it it was supposed to be ManUtd's path without corrupt decisions against them because even Porto's late goal was from a soft freekick. Porto already favoured from a Keane red card in the 1st leg so that match turned around and of course he's then suspended for 2nd leg but to get these other decisions as well was amateur for CL. Porto don't stand a chance of winning the CL format ManUtd won in 98/99 for example.
@@FootkerSnookball I agree that Man Utd shouldn't have been knocked out by Porto in the CL, but if everything went to script that season then AC Milan and Real Madrid wouldn't have been knocked out by Deportivo and Monaco respectively. So who really knows.
Even so, I'm not sure what would've made it a lucky CL win, to be fair, they were helped out by Matthaus inexplicably being subbed off in '99 and in '08 by, well... John Terry dropping on his backside. Both things that were out of their hands lol.
@@strykah92 So your assumption is that if Bayern hadn't subbed off 38 year old Matthaus (which was their own decision anyway which is part of the game the decisions you make just like the decisions made on the pitch determine the match) how come Matthaus played the whole game vs Brondby in the first game of that campaign and he let the exact same thing happen to Bayern??
Unless you just think everything would've been the exact opposite to the group stage I mean afterall Sheringham did score a 90th minute own goal equaliser for Bayern in the group stage but Ferguson still decided to bring him on in the final and it was the correct choice. But it's about making the right choices, not necessarily the opposite choices to what has gone wrong before, sometimes it's right to change other times it's not but ultimately it's your own team's job to make the decisions and if you choose wrong you can't call the winning team lucky based on that especially when that one seemed like the right choice to take off a 38 year old if you're winning 1-0 with not long left because there's fresher legs on the pitch to finish the job and I believe that wasn't anything to do with that sub sometimes the other team are just too good or something happens out of your control.
ManUtd missing Fletcher in 2009 final was not ManUtd's choice so that was unlucky it did effect the final it shouldn't have been a red card at all ManUtd still should've scored first in the final vs Barca and then there's more chance of winning but he was an important player at the time to lose him and in that manner was unfair plus ManUtd's CL run stopped after that when it could've gone on even longer but it still hasn't been equalled for 15years and counting.
Rafael getting sent off vs Bayern 2010 was not ManUtd's fault Ribery was pushing Rafael way more in the incident if you watch the incident but ref only books/sends off Rafael and none of the Bayern players got booked for demanding Rafael's dismissal Ribery was also 1of those, that numerical disadvantage proved crucial in deciding the tie eventually on away goals.
Chelsea had way more luck in 08 final than ManUtd who should've been 3-0 up at half-time scored a well worked goal, Tevez had two 2-0 guilt edged chances a header at point blank range plus he did a Gazza vs Germany Euro96 when it looked like he had a tap-in Chelsea's equaliser was flukey multiple deflections from a hopeful shot from distance giving Lampard a 1on1 with VanDerSar who also (as you mentioned a crucial slip for the other team) slipped at the vital moment so Lampard had an even easier finish. VanDerSar has saved 1on1's with Lampard before if you remember the 1-0 at OldTrafford Nov2005.
ManUtd also had the best chance of extra-time another well worked move not just a lucky chance or hit&hope from distance, Evra good work down the left gave Giggs an open goal but for John Terry's head but Giggs should've given Terry no chance.
And the thing about "if things had gone to plan in 2004 quarter-finals" ManUtd had 3 different seasons where they topped the group convincingly but then got RealMadrid in the first knockout round quite unluckily when nearly every other team at that stage ManUtd would've knocked out but that's a bit too early for those particular RMadrid teams to be knocked out but later on when RMadrid have reached a stage where they're not considered as much failures for being eliminated ManUtd could've beaten them like the worse teams in 2003 & 2013 did in SF's and also a 1off final ManUtd would've had an even better chance.
ManUtd topped group 03/04 albeit a straightforward looking one but the more you knock on the door the more chance you'll get a nicer pathway like other teams have won multiple lucky CL title's so ManUtd earned would’ve earned that but they were robbed of it but with Arsenal's poor CL record under Wenger you can't really say they should've won any particular year. They made just 2 semi-finals in 19 CL seasons. Their "legend" Vieira was in 7 of those and he never got past the CL quarter-final in his career (for any club as a matter of fact).
If VAR existed we would have won.
More like robbery
Can I just say I know you probably won't see this but I had so much respect for Ben until I saw you on talk sport you were so dismissive to west ham I always felt you were in touch with the fans but the fact you would go on talk sport and just belittled us as a fan base by saying what more do you want all you had to do is speak to a west ham fan and we would tell you it's not about finishing top 4 or top 6 its about the football is dross we just want to see i side play on the floor and attack
They wasn't invincible that season though so stupid title.
Plus they wasn't even invincible in the season claimed. Lost in all the cups so 😄 🤣 😂 😆
The majority of the players from the invincibles season were still in that season’s squad. Although the title is obviously for clicks.
And yes Arsenal were invincible in exactly what they claim. Dozens of other English teams who only won the league alone in a season still couldn’t do it without losing a fixture. Nice try being disingenuous though.
But I’ll help you out anyway: if you want a real rebuttal against Arsenal’s invincibles, just look up Ajax in 1994/95.
Proper player not like the crap we have today
Ben foster. Most overrated GK
What a nice comment , thanks
@@FozcastTheBenFosterPodcast just an opinion and aright one.
Wenger is the most overrated manager in Premier League history.
Here's why;
- Arsenal are a big club, and he only won 3 Premier League Titles in 22 years.
- Wenger only reached ONE Champions League Final despite having 22 attempts.
- Wenger only won the Premier League whilst it was a 2 horse race 98, 02, 04. As soon as Chelsea came along, then Man City, he won 0 Premier League Titles.
- He was apparently famous for finding unknown talent for cheap, which he did with Henry, Anelka etc. Yet as soon as the stadium was built, Wenger FAILED to repeat this, and the stadium was blamed for him not winning the Premier League. Why couldn't Wenged find the next Henry, Viera etc during the stadium building years? Oh, yes, he couldn't handle a Title race that was more than 2 horses.
- Wenger actually went 9 whole years with ZERO trophies.
- Big clubs are measured on winning two things. Domestic League Title and Champions League. Nothing else.
So, yes it was good for Wenger to win a few FA Cups, that isn't the ultimate aim of a big club and a so called world class manager.
- Apparently Wenger invented fitness, diet and nutrition. Big Sam was already using sports science and nutrition in the 90s, whilst he was in the lower leagues.
- 1971 - 1995 was 24 years BEFORE Wenger.
Arsenal won 3 League Title and 0 Champions League Titles.
1996 - 2018 was 22 years (almost an identical time frame).
Wenger years.
Arsenal won 3 Premier League Titles and 0 Champions League Titles.
Did Wenger really improve Arsenal? Or did he just win what the club had already been used to wining in an almost identical timeframe.
Yes, I know.
The Truth Hurts.
That was cruel but spot on😬
Wow u really took time to write all that 😂😂😂
Arsenal fan here since 1988. Harsh, but lots of merit there.
Two of the three pre-Aresene titles were George Graham's 1989 and 1991 titles. George Graham's cup winners cup was in 1994. Can't believe its been 30 years since Arsenal's last "European Cup"!
Overrated, a bit harsh. But I do wonder how much more successful Arsenal would have been if George Graham hadn't been forced out.
@bolajiyoloye8968 nice to hear a reasonable response to some facts that go against the narrative.
I think Wenger was a good manager, but all my points above prove he NEVER was a world class manager.
A "World Class" manager is the narrative spun by the media and most gullible fans who don't bother to think for themselves.
I genuinely don't understand this cult like following Wenger has based on not doing a lot. Maybe all these people shaves their heads, wear robes and have to get tattoos of Wengers face on the same part of their body whilst chanting his name in unison at midnight.
Again it’s all an opinion so this is fine only critique I I have though is thag you’re using words like “only” where I’m like that’s a pretty amazing achievement 😭😭😭😂😂 so only is a bit harsh. Even the whole “Next Henry” nearly impossible. I’m with you on he should have won more but I do feel like post stadium move Wenger was squeezing a lot out of the team compared to the talent we had at the time. Like keeping Us in the CL idk managers that would have been able to do it consistently. Even look at other greats like Jose & Klopp (Klopp less so but his amazing (and they really are amazing) Liverpool team - even them every two years they have a proper down year). Even Jose another legend every few years his team combusts. Like surely seeing that you’ve got to appreciate the consistency of Wenger. Also again this is not a trophy but the Arsenal uno today with the fanbase and even the global appeal of it I do feel Arsene really is the reason for that so yh I get your POV but do feel you’re being harsh on one of the Prem Icons. Like most of these achievements you’re scoffing at only like 3/4 other managers in the league compare and those 3/4 are some of the greatest ever so he’s not in bad company uno 😅😅
Lad’s going about a lot lately. Probably not working out for him on the coaching front. Was on the international broadcast for Arsenal’s game against sheffield and comes across as a tightly wound character who’s putting on an act but is generally clueless. For reference, the other pundit was micharl owen and he was streets ahead in his analysis