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- Jordan Peterson ~ The Reason We Have So Many People With ADHD/ADD
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I was diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia at a young age as one of the very first children at the time, I am now 60 years old. I refused to take Ritalin when I got sick from this drug. And my parents supported me in my decision, I worked really hard with homework without this helping much, but as I grew up I took further education and managed this much better because of age. I used my ADHD for work where I worked much more than the others and my sales skills. Today I am a successful person who is considering retirement. I have 3 lovely children and grandchildren. And lived a happy life. I never lost faith in myself despite all the adversity from teachers and with students or other idiots I have met in life who ended up as losers, believe in yourself that is power
You go man!
Well done!
Dude, thank you for writing this. Thank you. Much love.
Great! I'm really glad on your behalf. Somtimes I wish I had a little dose of ADHD in my life, but alas... Anyways, I've lived an exciting life, en have a daughter and grandchildren, and have really no reason to complain 🙂
Don’t speak of yourself in the past tense, …you ARE LIVIING a happy life, not lived.
I got diagnosed with ADHD as an early teen when I decided school wasn't teaching me anything useful, and stopped putting in any effort, stopped doing homework. I was able to pass all my classes even with 0% on every homework by doing well enough on the tests to balance it out.
They decided something was wrong with me, sent me to a therapist who convinced me I was depressed. I didn't feel depressed, but I really did become depressed shortly after that and spent decades depressed.
As I have gotten older, I realize that my young self was exactly right about school. The school was what was in a state of disorder, not me.
Absolutely the same thing. May I ask how old are you? I'm in my early twenties.
@@justrandomguy5010 I was in my early twenties in the early 90's, and the stuff I am talking about in this post happened in the mid-late eighties mostly. Hang in there and don't cut off your nose to spite your face, it is a lot of trouble doing what I did.
@@lkb3rd so ultimately you think you should have worked harder in school?
@@charlotte8659 I think I might be less stubborn about refusing to participate than I was. To avoid trouble for myself.
That’s too bad. You could’ve stopped playing the blame game and got off your arse and pursue the things you really want. Just because you were diagnosed with ADHD or “depression,” doesn’t mean you stop trying at life anymore, which is what you effectively did and you couldn’t even acknowledge it.
People love to blame everything but themselves when they fail. You are living in delusion and denial. As a person who was diagnosed with ADHD, I have always held myself accountable for my actions and failures, and today, I’m extremely wealthy, intelligent, and motivated (further) because of it.
In 2000 when my son started 1st grade, the new 1st grade young teacher diagnosed (medically) 3 of her students. 2 of the students parents listened to her and put their kids on Ritalin immediately. I told the teacher she was nuts and we didn't. I also was in the class after that, volunteering My son is one of the most amazing, brightest people on the planet, and in high school scored #1 in the state for computer program solving, then went to the FBLA nationals and scored #6. Thank god I listened to my gut!
It's insane that parents would listen to a school teacher who has no business nor qualifications to do any sort of medical diagnosis.
I’m a teacher and I agree. Having said that teachers can’t handle out Ritalin so these parents / children must have seen a doctor.
no my son did not see a doctor because I told her she was nuts, maybe the other kids did IDK but the mom's told me later that they had put their kids on this med because the teacher recommended it@@carolineblue9399
I think people are more aware now, there was less information in 2000@@jt1559
Thank god you made the time to attend classes
He's exactly right. Kids don't have attention "disorders". We're forcing them into situations that they're not built for, and then calling it a pathology.
You and Dr. Peterson are wrong. ADHD is a neurological disorder that affects people's lives in more ways than just a lack of attention. It's a complete breakdown of the executive function of the brain, which infects every meaningful area of a person's life; academia, relationships, careers, parenting, and general mental health. Please don't minimize this disorder because a celebrity psychologist rants on an issue he clearly knows nothing about. Also, ADHD has been written about long before the industrial revolution.
YES!!!
We are not, as you said, calling the force used upon children, to put them into a situation that they are not built for, pathology, what "we" are doing is calling the _reaction_ of the children, to the situations they are forced into, pathology. By _we_ I don't mean me and you. I mean the stupid physicians who prescribe Ritalin to suppress fun in fun-loving school children.
The same could be said for many people suffering "disorders". There's nothing natural about the lives we're expected to live.
Yes they do have attention disorders. And when you suffer from it, it sucks.
School systems aren't made to teach you how to think by yourself or to make you a better person, it's there to create obedient workers, obedient workers... -Georges Carlin
how long since you have been in school there little buddy?
schools teach basic that parents neglect. they present knowledge to rise up. they are open to social networking.
@@lolwtnick4362 And who schooled the parents? The same school that did not teach you to start sentences with an upper-case letter?
@@lolwtnick4362 "Classes will dull your mind, destroy the potential for authentic creativity."
― John Nash
Yet we still produce people from those systems who can obviously think for themselves. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm not saying schools perfect, but as Peterson would say, no system is.
@@anthonybrett That the schooling system "produces people who can think for themselves " is a myth , at best . The system is designed to prevent just this outcome ! Its real purpose has always been to break down the blood family , in order to replace it with an artificial loyalty to the state ...Those who get the best grades usually do so because they never challenge their teacher .Memorize and regurgitate is not education .
I have adhd. So does my son. He is now 7 years old. It is hard. He is so so clever and smart. But without the medication, he is not able to show. He is very agressiv. Towards his siblings and us as parents. Other kids as well. He is not able to have a friendship. With the medication, he is more calm and friendly. He can get frustrated without coming to the point where you cant reach him. We struggled so much. And we were so unsure wheter to give it to him or not. We tried and it was such a difference. He is able to go to school, have friends, and show how smart he actually is.
My child exactly the same. Its just couple years later and this child has outgrown so much of the negative feedback.
Yeah, I studied psychiatry, and it is not just a social disorder. It’s a chemical imbalance. Speed does not normally calm down people and make them focus. That’s why we know someone has the chemical imbalance. If I take an adderall, I’ll be zooming around like someone on methamphetamines. Yet, when given to a patient with ADD or ADHD the complete opposite occurs. They calm down, become more logical, rational, functioning, caring, and able to stay focused on one thing at a time. Before meds, they are often over stimulated, or under stimulated. Many see medication as a life changing miracle. Others will fight against it, tooth and nail. Going against all the medical research that proves it’s medically sound treatment. It really bothers me when it’s from a doctor I respect.
My son was the same way. When he was not taking his med I couldn't even have a conversation with him. He could not talk to others, attend to anything, sit long enough to EAT something, and he was aggressive. Some people say they need more exercise - Ha! He could not function well even after a 10 mile hike! It is very hard to hear people talk like this - especially one who has not tried to raise a child with severe ADHD. My son would have ended up in juvenile prison without medication.😢
@@SB-ml9ji You’re a good parent.❤️🥰
I'm not judging. I am listening. For some, the meds are the answer. Some struggle to find the right one and the sweet spot. Others are better without. I have two sons with ADHD. So far we are not medicating for several reasons, it is not always that simple.
Whatever your situation and choice may be, keep up the good fight. We all walk different paths, but we do it to our best ability because we love our children. ❤
As a elementary teacher, I mourned the trends that took away the child's opportunity to learn, practice, persevere, and master skills. Watching changes in curriculum, children's tv programming, etc., students are hurried through too much of their days in addition to hectic home lives. We over structure children's lives with less and less opportunity for thoughtful dialogue, leisure to imagine, invent, create, fail, and try again. When I feel I'm being rushed, I shut down. This ADHD is "taught" to students, and I daresay it is in the name of standardized testing.
The System needs people who do what is obligated, not people who think for themselves
100% agree. When we were raising our children I watched many parents in the same life stage we were in thrash themselves to pieces trying to keep up with all of their kids' activities. They complained constantly of how busy they were and they described every weekend during the entire school year and many during the summer where one spouse was with one child in their activity while the other spouse was across town with their other children doing a different activity. I would try to be as empathetic as I could but in the back of my mind I kept hearing myself say "YOU are the ones writing the checks to put your kids into three and four sports/activities at the same time. Why don't you cut back to just two activities or even one activity each season?" The kids were equally miserable because they were trying to get homework done, study for tests, etc. Those families rarely if ever sat down and had dinner together. That was something we did in our house until our kids were in their late teens; it was important for us to all unplug and connect, even if only for 15-20 minutes it took our kids to eat, to stay tethered to one another.
'As a elementary teacher!' 'Nuff said!
@@cakehole53 I picked up on that as well:)
It's all about programing. We don't free thinkers, we want those who abide and get in line with the rest of the sheep. Why do you think there is less emphasis on history and more on liberal nonsense like gender studies and social issues?
I have been diagnosed with what they say is severe ADHD. I consider myself to be very successful in my career. I can focus whenever I want on whatever interests me. If it doesn’t I eventually can complete the task but not with my fullest attention. To sum it all up. There is absolutely nothing medically wrong with me. I’m just more ambitious of my pursuits of what interests me.
Pure copium. Brain scans show that ADHD is characterized by our brains essentially turning off when we try to concentrate. That most certainly is something "medically wrong."
Peterson has his scope, and this isn't within it.
we really don't care, this video isn't all about you
Exactly. We can tell ADHD is bullcrap because it's VERY easy to get these kids to sit down and pay *perfect* attention for hours. You put them in front of their favorite game. Or movie. Or book.
It's the content they're not interested in. It's not that they're incapable of focusing.
I care. Speak for yourself.@@slowery43
I have ADHD and it is truly hard to focus on anything for an extended period of time. I'm also introverted so social anxiety is something I battle at large family gatherings. People that say it isn't real don't know what they're talking about. Meds don't help me due to the insomnia and other nasty side effects.
I feel like he's forgetting the non-hyperactive version of ADD.. not necessarily wanting to talk and move around but just inability to focus on something important long term.
Anthony Finocchiaro I have been diagnosed with adult ADD. My son has ADHD and my mom said I was just as hyper as he was when I was his age. Guess I out grew it.
Growing out of hyper active ADD is very common. I have non hyper and yes pills help but the best way for me is to focus on a small handful of things I’m interested in and go all out. Also, recognize when I’m bored and take extra mindfulness to make sure what’s expected of me is fulfilled.
I mean, I guess what I'm referring to is the *aspect* of ADD where you are simply inattentive. I'm mostly interested specifically in this particular pattern of behavior and, if we can, identifying what that thing is, especially when someone exhibits that part and not the other.
For this, I think about it being less in terms of hyperactivity and more of like having your head in the clouds, being absent minded or going off topic very easily..
If there's another thing that this is more related to that we conflate with ADHD, then I'm definitely curious to hear what that is (could just be lack of discipline? But still what are we disciplining in this case exactly and would some people have to discipline against more of it than others because more of it exists?)
@@tiryaclearsong421 in adults it probably presents itself as depression of tiredness or addiction.
Yeah that is one that is usually dismissed by many people they usually look at the hyper one
Founding and teaching in a Montessori classroom, for 20 years, I can attest to the idea that not having the rigid, bell-run classroom, the children that started as diagnosed with ADHD, mostly normalized and directed their interests, as they could direct themselves, move around, converse, and release that energy into creating for themselves, ... a satisfied, accomplished being.
There is a million dollar idea there... writing a book or medical study to tell people.
@@brendalg4yes the Rudolf Steiner education is similar & amazingly beautiful
Wish they had affordable Montessori school back in the early 90's, if u had hyperactive adhd back then u were tossed into special ed
My ADHD kid just continuously got in trouble at Montessori school because there wasn't enough structure and he didn't comply with the Montessori "way".
Perhaps for most. I got diagnosed at 32 and I wasn't able to let someone finish a sentence without falling apart. I had no idea of this untill I finally agreed to try the medicine; 10 years later. I had been so hesitant because I thought like Jordan Peterson. Now I am able to sleep through the night and have meaningful conversations and other things I didn't deem managable.
This has been my experience as well.
You've been told your personality is a disease.
@@SeraphsWitness That's basically the story of my life. I've been bullied to madness. When I came home once and told my mom I didn't want to go to school anymore because I got bullied, she said: "that's not suprising, is it?!"
Everyone always yelled something at me: "Get in line!" "Shut up!" "Detention!"
And really, I didn't wan't to be as rebellious as everyone thought I was. I did care. I wanted just anyone to like me. But they didn't and I was pretty desperate, because I tried EVERYTHING.
Did you really think my diagnose was the worst thing?
@@Caro2Late The worst thing? No. But your personality isn't a disease, my friend. Don't buy that lie.
@@SeraphsWitness I know you mean well.. But keeping up these dogma's about ADHD is not very helpful for us.
As a primary school teacher, I find the correlation between parents wanting ADHD diagnosis for little jimmy and Jimmy's new found love of Ipads and Mobile devices to be very interesting. Its almost like, if you let your child stay awake late playing on tablets and let them have it first thing in the morning, that they find sitting still without dopaminergic entertainment impossible...
My kids were diagnosed long before they had mobile phones and computers. I-Pads were only developed later in their highschool life - some 11 years after initial diagnosis.
So , no.
You have lazy, guilt-free, blame-the-parents, school teacher syndrome...
Just saying.
They are now both qualified professionals and successful in their very different careers. They were just not formulaic, "do as I say", "monkey see monkey do" children.
They were highly intelligent, capable of holding insightful philosophical conversations at an early age, curious & artistic but also really good at maths & chess (supposedly not a quintessential trait of ADD children).
They would not follow rules & would challenge what was required or the way they were taught. They would develop individualistic, independently thought out solutions.
In short, my ADH elder daughter was a risk taker, a maverick, a lateral thinker, an animal lover, very sporty, an adventurer, an activist, driven, very eloquent, persuasive, an excellent debater & is exactly the kind of professional employers seek in the financial field she has entered & for whom they pay top dollar.
My younger ADD daughter is the quintessential scientist & philosopher. Very astute, thinks differently, detail oriented, exceedingly tenacious, has overcome enormous learning difficulties which continue into adulthood, eloquent when talking on her passions but poor at expressing herself on paper. She too is developing in her own profession & is sought after by employers happy to pay higher than average salary for her unique insights & passion.
THAT is who ADD children are & become if they don't have lazy judgemental teachers who want everyone to be mediocre & fit in a box.
Teachers who won't see that children are struggling because teachers need to teach them individually, uniquely.
Teachers who right them off as so much less than they can be & are, because the teachers are too dumb to see that. Too dumb to realise that a 'handicap' is not always physical, but can be something they can't see. Too myopic to realise the innate potential they have has far more value than conformity & 1-dimensional educational schooling which aims to produce "1 size fits all low-level workers" instead of uniquely valuable individuals.
Just saying
@@lornalong6468 of course. I'm not saying it doesn't exist in a small amount of the populous. Perhaps 1 out of 60 but now every child who throws a double six at home has ADHD. At some point you have to look at the trauma and parenting skill set
@@contactlight8079 Very very judgy & preachy.
Teachers unfortunately do NOT have to have a high level of education or competence to be teachers. A BA with psych in the mix is unleashed on a couple of generations of students who go through a teacher's care.
Students who frequently go on to achieve far more than a teacher ever will. And I value teachers highly, it's just the facts.
Teachers frequently return to their old school & become a lifetime teacher at the very school that indoctrinated them. So they have very little life experience really, are not lateral thinkers, know very little of the world beyond their little horizon or suburban community even.
Those are the facts.
@@lornalong6468 Two things. First, "write them off" not "right them off". Second, sounds like you've got issues with teachers. Just saying.
Typical teacher, blame the parents. I know of several people who had a terrible time at school and there is a lot to be desired in the present day system of education which emphasises sedentary deskwork over manual skills, sports, physical formation and arts. The big problem with conventional schooling is that it forces people of different abilities and tendencies into one curriculum and one teaching method for all. While this suits most people there will be a cohort who find such teaching methods impossible to adhere to.
This diagnosis of ADHD and other "learning disabilities" reminds me of Soviet Russia and the situation where Psychiatry was used as a political weapon. Genuine dissidents were deemed to be insane and incarcerated in institutions in order to get rid of them. Same happening with school kids, the assumption being that there is nothing wrong with the school or the system so the child must be at fault.
Teaching is tough and I would not do it but there is a need to filter out the dictatorial people it seems to attract in unduly large numbers. There is also a need for closer supervision in the classroom and listening to children's concerns rather than dismissing them as infantile and not capable of making autonomous decisions.
Modern learning disabilities did not exist when I was going to school. There were good boys and bad boys. The good boys were left alone and for most of them school was an enjoyable experience. The bad boys found that school was hell. I was somewhere in the middle but it was very challenging. My father found the same thing, suffering from a lifetime of cynicism and disdain for teachers and the education system from witnessing an assault on a fellow pupil with moderate intellectual disability.
My daughter had to leave school early due to bullying and a bad experience with one teacher who should not have been in the classroom in the first place.
My brother in law had to change school midway through senior cycle due to unresolved bullying. The other kids had better family connections and the authorities were not going to protect him.
Worst case I know of was a neighbours child who hated school and burned all his books when he left school. Some years later he took his own life .
@@contactlight8079
Interest is involuntary...yet we live in a world where pursuing one's true passion is borderline impossible.
Tbf, we also live in a world that has been raising generations of children in a world that discourages the real things that matter, the pursuit of meaning, value and purpose. We're encouraged to persue wealth, assets and short term gratification at exhausting quantities. It's no wonder that people do not persue passion, many of them hardly even want to participate in life, and when I say that I don't mean suicide, I mean they'll sit around and do what is easy, comfortable and pleasurable, rather than doing what is hard, difficult, uncomfortable, but meaningful, valuable and rewarding in the long term.
Impossible? Do you know what you use right now? I bet all my life savings that you haven't use or explore a fraction of what internet has to offer, either you a boomer or haven't been paying attention.
@@naynyamish270 why would you assume that he's a boomer? Listen we're all individuals here with our own capabilities. Granted being born in particular generations comes with it's own standards and norms, for one I would have figured that being a millennial or gen z would make one more susceptible to being blind to the opportunities around them. The pursuit of meaning and value is dry and empty in the psychi of many youth's unfortunately, and no doubt that the internet is a hive of instant access to information. However the whole world is a source of access to information and potential, but it's what you make of it and how you use it, and of you fail to acknowledge it's existence, then there's no wonder that someone might not use it!
@@PC.NickRowan Peter Conlon No, listen, he said, impossible to pursue passions in today's world and he or she , I want to be safe from presumption here so I will use op (original poster) , and op use "we" which mean either everyone or most people (more than 50%) . Let me reiterate , op said, we as of now (impossible obviously an exaggeration so lets go with hard , very hard, almost impossible) extremely hard to pursue passions [and knowledge compare to before]
impossible is nothing. the left pursue their dream of getting rid of Trump every day.. whats your excuse?
Our society rewards photographic memory, and school correlates intelligence with data retention. Education system doesn't test for creativity. It tests for consumption. If you can memorize information and regurgitate it back verbatim, you can ace most of your classes. This is why the smartest kids in class are only smart in artificial school setting; they're terrible conversationalists.
That's a brilliant and well constructed assessment. Needles to say i totally agree. I have a beautiful daughter who was (incorrectly & needlessly) "diagnosed" with ADHD when she was 6 yoa. I totally rejected that diagnosis. Now she is a fully functional high achieving 27 year old beautiful person.
@@rustywalsh4219 Congratulations
ULTRA KWON i applaud your effort to communicate 👍🏿
ULTRA KWON
They cant even test momory so good look with a school doing standardised tests on creativity. Now we talking messy situation, and it goes something like:
- no knowledge has nothing to do with knowledge, but how you can view everything from as many angles as possible. Nothing is objectivly true and as moore you can twist everything the better your grades get.
After 15 years at school reality hits them hard.
So many things wrong with this, and I'm going to tell you everything wrong with what you just said. First, there is no memory phenomena called "Photographic memory", it's not a thing and it doesn't exist. The closest thing resembling photographic memory is a phenomenon called "eidetic memory", which is only observable in children. Second, the education system doesn't test for creativity because you CANNOT reliably test creativity. For a test to be a test, it MUST gradable in some way - otherwise it's NOT a test, by literal definition. "Grading" something, literally anything in the entire world, means you compare it a pre-existing standard. How far above (or below) the standard it is is used to derive your grade. The moment you try to "test" for creativity you lay out a limited framework that restricts creativity. To test for creativity would require a rubric so large it covers everything, which defeats the point of having a rubric - and surprise, surprise having no rules is the best set of rules when it comes to being creative. Your idea of school is wack too. I'd wager you've never actually read your national curriculum, yet you say it's just one big memory show? You honestly think a mathematics curriculum, taken over many years of schooling, won't foster a student's ability to think logically and problem solve? And do the essays in English class must not teach any ability to write either? The "smartest" kids aren't socially awkward and shy, I don't know where you got that idea, because extroversion has no meaningful correlation to IQ in children.
As someone with both ADHD and mild autism I definetly agree. As a kid I was always playing outside and exploring. I could teach myself anything if it was interesting enough. But going to school was a nightmare! especially when I went to highschool and there where all this insecure young pubers, trying to look tough, but just being anying and fake as f*ck. I was overstimulated most of the time, leading to different health issues (stress is horrible to the imune system). But I am perfectly adapted to live like people used to live before the industrial revolution. Growing your own food, practicing crafts hunting and fishing for food etc.
I am planning to help educate teachers and caretakers to look at both ADHD and autism in a different way. Hopefully future generations won't have to struggle so much through their childhood like people like me had to.
He's absolutely right. I have ADHD and there is nothing wrong about me, and I've managed to accomplish every goal I ever wanted in life without medications. Golden word: "wanted." I can't for the life of me do anything I don't want. So the medications come in handy in that regard
You're lucky. I have ADD and I can't even focus on the things I want to focus on. Forget about focusing on the things I'm not interested in.
@@immortalfrieza Oh that sucks.
Actually, when I treated my anxiety better it was easier to focus on not just things that I want to and ”need to” (studies or what not) - but also on things like learning to play the guitar and writing.
So come to think of it, even if I wanted to be creative before it was easy to give up.
But with a better emotional stability those things are now much more enjoyable.
Sometimes it’s not only the adhd but also comorbidities like depression, anxiety, trauma etc.
I have it as well, along with autism. My mom refused medication even when the doctors insisted, glad she did that, cause the side effects are not fun. Turned out alright in the end, without meds
1st thing, you don't have ADHD, that's invented bullshit, so just embrace common sense, honesty, and morality and get on with your life...
Right.. it's all great and awesome until something vital falls under the "don't want to do" category, and then you are absolutely fucked, and you only need to have like 2 or 3 of those in your life, especially early on, and you're never recovering from that. That shit happened to me a while ago, my brain decided that backend development work was boring, so it made me unable to work. I just could not do anything except stare at the screen and think about losing the job and having to find another one quickly.
12 years of abusive desk containment; age 6 to 18.
3 years of catching up on regaining highly motivated movement; age 18 to 21.
-Former U.S. Paratrooper Sgt. 82nd Abn. '71-'74
You substituted one regimented system for another. Militaries wear uniforms because they are servants to the political class. School should have many opportunities for physical activity; sports, theater, dance etc.
As a vet, you are surely aware that some of the worst behaved soldiers during idle periods turn out to be the best warriors in battle. Situations that cause many, even the highly trained, to panic, freeze or melt down have the opposite effect on others. A calm comes over them, their mind focuses, and anything & everything not required to survive & excel, and achieve success ceases to exist. It's much like an elite athlete or race driver being "in the zone".
-Thank you for your service, and sacrifices.
Very old to be a soldier. Ah, now I see the apostrophes: 1971-1974.
Sold to be Diers thank you for your service.
@@adamsmith3413 Theater merely teaches children to be narcissists, that people should clap and applaud you for dressing up and playing let's pretend. Dance and music, both have that strong narcissist component, but, at least, the dancer and musician are perfecting a skill. The same might be said of spectator sports, playing for the roar of the Sunday crowd.
I always thought that very active kids should have gym first thing in the morning at school.
That makes me go brain dead 😂😂
If I work really hard I can’t focus on anything at school
Very active and Adhd are 2 different things. But I do think morning exercise is healthy and good for all children able to exercise..
It was like that in Soviet Union, a good warm up before lessons. 🤔
YES! You. Are. Correct. Gym with friends followed by a big breakfast as Peterson says. Then they can sit still then. Same way with dogs (or any mammal, really): If they’re anxious or unable to obey commands, exercise them first!
“If We Can’t Teach Kids To Learn, Then Maybe We Should Teach Kids The Way in Which They Learn”..... In the mind of a child, to play is to learn...
The school system is an archaic monster which feeds on the hopes, dreams , creativity, individualism and happiness of billions of children...
On purpose
I agree but I also look at it in a different way. Years ago before we started to test for, identify and treat ADD/ADHD, these kids were simply labelled as problem or unruly students, punished and got on with their lives after school, coped, often successfully, none the wiser. For example I was diagnosed with dyslexia when I was in grade 2, but never treated. I often didn't pay attention, was a daydreamer and did poorly in school in my earlier years. Reading and remembering names, places, dates is difficult for dyslexics. What did I do, I slung my dyslexia and all my other oppressions over my shoulder, strived and succeeded despite my oppressions as kids did before labeling ADD/ADHD and drugging became common place. I also believe that drugging kids out of daydreaming, per se, is robbing them of an important practice or visualizing their future so they can plan and execute it.
Most of us do not "cope(d), often successfully." Most of us could not be successful academically, have struggled excessively with careers, relationships, and daily life skills.
I agree with John Casey. I'm a teacher. That is one job nobody wants to do with the lack of discipline in our (post-)modern society. In my day, these students were just treated as naughty and they had to adapt. Most of them did. Nowadays, teachers bend over backwards for them and it means the teaching environment has become poisoned. Later the students without ADHD also become difficult to handle, so that hardly any of the teacher's objectives are met anymore. Our society's future is determined in the schools, whether we like it or not. I do agree these children with ADHD shouldn't be put on drugs, but they should learn to adapt. I'll try and channel this experimental need Peterson is talking about with these ADHD students.
@@rustler160 You do not understand your ADHD students. You are writing them off as if they can turn off their behaviors and conform/"adapt." Your comment is disgraceful. I went through absolute hell and perpetual major depression in school because of teachers like you, who said I was just lazy, that I wasn't really trying, that I just didn't want to do what I was supposed to. I was an eleven year old little girl who wished every day that a car would run over me on my way to school so I wouldn't have to feel like a failure no matter how hard I tried and wouldn't have to be subjected to humiliation in front of the whole class from the teacher publicly announcing my mistakes. SHAME on you. I suppose my teachers at least had the excuse that ADHD wasn't widely known of, there was very little information about it, and it was only associated with boys. You have no such excuse.
The difference with dyslexia is that it is an objectively discernable physical condition, unlike ADHD, and is not treated with medication. If special eyeglasses or whatever are helpful for dyslexia, then use them, just as a near-sighted child or a child with poor hearing should be given the appropriate eyeglasses or hearing aids. ADHD is quite different, and I agree that it should not be dealt with via meds.
@@rowanaforrest9792 If you are so completely ignorant that you think a pair of glasses will correct dyslexia, you are in no position to comment on what ADHD is or how it should be treated.
I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 8, my mother who is a psychologist sad the exact same thing as peterson and dismised the diagnosis.
Today Im a healthy relatively high achiveing coledge student
who can’t spell.
@@elconquistador98 yeah, very bad at spelling. Then again, english is not my native language
How did you combat it?
@@MainelyLove well, yeah. I was just very active and wanted to know everything (how strange for a kid) so basicaly my parents would let me do all sorts of different things and would encourage me and help mi in my "quests" so that I learn lots of stuff and dont get bored.
@@elconquistador98 Go conquistador some man ass
Cuz we’re simply not meant to sit shut up and be slaves. Our bodies aren’t meant to be programmed.
We are biologically programmed. Each of us individually as well.
@@humblehalfacre8464 I think you're seriously misunderstanding the kind of programming Zach was talking about.
@@humblehalfacre8464 we are not. Free your mind and question everything. It's the information that programs us. It's how you deal with it. They can never take your free will. I won't eat no pill because someone says I have 2. Nature provides every solution. Who made chemicals. Not nature. The ones who want 2 control and enslave us. Pharma industries and technology are our worst enemies. Money and power are causing it. It's mind over matter. HUMANS are more powerfull if we unite our energy. That's why they divide us. They are afraid of our natural born skills. It's the energy within everything. Connect together and we are unbeatable.
@@Thalanox no I wasn't......I was adding that our bodies...."biologically" are already programmed. You're referring to emotional and/or mind programming. What we believe in...allow....and adopt along the way in life is each to his own.
@@nickynederkoorn2315 Zack said "bodies" when he might of referred to one's mind and/or emotional being. I have not allowed myself to be programmed nor have I sent my children to public schools OR so called college to be programmed. BTW, information does not PROGRAM anyone. One allows themself to be programmed.
I can't believe JP would say these things. It just leaves me so disappointed to hear so much misinformation and misunderstanding from a man who has been so important otherwise in my life. I was diagnosed at 26 with adhd. It explains my whole life, my relationships, my growing up, the choices I have made in my life. On medication I found out who I really am, I distinguished the pathology from my character traits, I understood why there has always been so much disparity in my life between what I've always wanted to do and what I've always ended up doing instead. I understood why I've always felt so capable but was never able to use my capabilities to get where I want in life.
ADHD isn't about not being able to pay attention to things that don't matter or things that are boring. It's about not being able to direct your attention to the things that matter the most, like your future. ADHD makes you time-blind. you are condemned to constantly live in the moment, you are dragged by the nose wherever the present takes you. It can make sure you never reach your potential as a person, it can make sure you suffer without deserving it. No amount of motivation can take you out of that prison, you are physically incapable of breaking out of it.
Too bad he has to further the stigma on this condition.
May I ask what has helped you the most with this condition?
@@FrankSpeer66 Many things can somewhat help you manage it, but nothing comes close to medication.
@@moikanos11 can I ask what meds work best? I know different for everyone.
@@FrankSpeer66 for me it's amphetamines, but i'm not done exploring all options yet
Well, I totally agree with you, but JP in this case is mainly talking about kids. I don't think it is right to have young kids on those meds. I am exactly in your situation, I'm trying my hardest to get a prescription. I'm an international student in the US and I feel like I just can't attain the levels of focus required by US colleges. Sitting in a classroom for me is just another form of torture. I always live in the moment, extremely spontaneous. I am incapable of prioritizing. Not that I convinced myself of that, but I just can't. Caffeine gets me alert but still not able to direct my attention to something. Sometimes I feel like a less structured manner of learning would help just because of how spontaneous I am.
He has a great way of scientifically explaining, what many of us have known in our gut for a VERY long time.
Hats off to JP for daring to explain an inconvenient truth.
Its a truth from his point of view. Which does not always appear to be a good one.
Scientific? What's scientific about it? He's just speculating.
Agreed. It begins in the gut. Ain't always right, but very well can be.
@@gregshirley-jeffersonboule6258A lot of ADHD diagnosis is unscientific, it’s based on a broad presentation of symptoms without taking into account the environment and parental guidance that child received from the time of birth.
Super-ego/Ego/Id conflict is NOT science
I think adult ADHD is a real thing. I have interests, and I want to do certain things that interest me, but my brain can't focus on it at all. I have to constantly change music, constantly move, and I'm constantly twitching. If I don't stop what I'm doing and change what I'm listening to every five minutes- switching from music to videos and vice versa- I can't focus. It makes me actually anxious. I feel like I'm walking through a cloud at all times.
People say things to me and my brain instantly deletes it because it doesn't care. I have something in my hands, and forget it's there every ten seconds, because it's not stimulating enough for my brain to remember it's there. Things that I love and am deeply interested in, I can't work on efficiently or easily because I have to /move./ It's constant and involuntary. Like a tic, almost. My brain misses things normal people would catch. It's a nightmare on a good day.
I'm not sure if this is a result of childhood forcing me to sit still for long periods of time or not- I was like this when I was a child, too. Even into my early adulthood it was bad. I remember crying to my father when I was nineteen, because I felt like I had some kind of learning disability that wouldn't let me do the things I wanted to do, but my father swore up and down I didn't.
I took one pill and good lord, I've never been so relaxed, calm, and clear in my life. It felt like my brain just slowed down, I was able to see and pay attention to the things around me. I could put a pencil down and remember I did ten seconds later, and I could sit and work on things without having to move or shuffle through things in an anxious fit every five minutes. It's the most peace I've had in my life. Maybe there's lasting damage that happens over time for those of us who experience childhood symptoms of ADHD due to the education system.
You may just have anxiety. Make sure you don't have a medical issue and then check for sleep apnea. I had both. I thought I didn't have it because I don't snore unless I'm sick. I didn't realize I had insomnia either. I'd just be awake for a couple hours in the middle of the night. It's much easier for me to focus and be still now that the anxiety is gone. The years of being late to things and being called lazy and irresponsible. Detention in school because I was late to 1st period.
@@belindagarza3958 Its not anxiety, I've already been to several psychologists. I'm not anxious unless I'm not moving. If I'm moving or changing things around every other second, I'm perfectly calm and happy. It just interferes with my life. Thanks, though.
You people are all the same dull, winy martyred bores. Pure negative energy.
@@goodyeoman4534 I don't see any dull bores except people like you who feel the need to be rude over something you don't understand. More people need to educate themselves on mental health instead of listening to idiots who make up bullshit.
if you are playing videogames I recommend stopping. Your brain wants a certain amount of stimulation, you will have to get that from things that actually move you forward in the world, and your mind may settle. definitely take up a sport or exercise. you will probably enjoy more exploratory things like running or rock-climbing. Avoid stimulants like cigarettes. get a plan. hope this helps.
They use to call ADD and ADHD boredom. Children are bored to death in school.
You have nothing to offer this conversation. You are unformed and glib.
Jon Hatton yes this is a symptom of boredom, but I know the cure. Stare out the window.
Your naivety and limitations on this topic are mind blowing.
So what do you do about it?
@Peter Potato thanks for saying this. I also have ADHD and this comment section is full of people without proper understanding or experience.
I was diagnosed with ADHD at age 9. Diagnosed with PTSD at age 15. I decided at age 16 along with my therapist at the time to stop taking medication, including Ritalin. Later at age 19 I tried ADHD medication (Ritalin and a couple other types that I can't remember) again to see if I actually had ADHD. Since I did not respond to any of them and only experienced side effects, they determined I didn't have ADHD. Looking back, I think my symptoms of PTSD early on were misinterpreted as ADHD. I see that happening to lots of kids. Parents rushing to psychiatrists to put their kids on amphetamines without first seeing if there might be some other underlying issue.
This may be true in your case and is very unfortunate for you but we can’t downplay the prevalence of the disorder itself. AD(H)D is a very real thing that mentally tortures both kids and adults alike and goes far beyond being either hyperactive or inattentive.
@@_D_A_V_E_they changed it .. all of it is called ADHD now... 3 types. Hyperactive, inattentive, and combined
Agree. In many situations its trauma, or attachment issues, or living in a chaotic hole without routines ....etc. There is no way as many people actually have ADHD as think they have. If so, it would be just normal human behaviour no need for a label
@@jayjaydubful I feel it is just normal human behavior... Since it is in the minority, we consider it to be pathological.
@@brendalg4When it happens occasionally then its normal human behaviour. When it happens every day, or every hour then its not.
It's interesting that my history of economic thought teacher says the same thing even though he is not a psychologist.He emphasizes the same effects that industrial revolution brought about on human psychology.
Oh really? Talk about that. Btw econ grad student here
@@MrPaulopspm I learned the same thing studying education.
In the 1950s in schools, there was no such thing as attention deficit whatever. This is what an aunt of mine told me. Kids had different personalities, some quiet, some mor gregarious, but there were no kids ever being disruptive. Modern society has nurtured and glorified this so-called condition.
As a person who has it but was never disruptive I can only half agree with you there. ADHD IS real. I would know. That being said we tolerate a lot of crap we should not tolerate in anyone at all.
Rashone I totally agree.
Kids are enabled now. They knew then they would be punished at home for acting like a jerk.
Schools regiment the day because to do otherwise risks lawsuits. Fights in classrooms are blamed on the teacher.
I was an elementary student in the 1950s. There were some disruptive kids. The nuns had authority to punish but mostly used intimidation. In order to keep a few under control all of us were subjected to unnecessary discipline. Admittedly, they had little help and few resources.
@@peakae44 My friends who went to Catholic school in the 1950s had similar reports. But I'll bet those nuns would be at a loss in today's classrooms...what was considered misbehavior in those days wouldn't be counted today.
I work with a guy who is 31 and has adult ADHD. He can’t focus on anything for longer than 30 seconds. He’s lost his keys several times. He’s left his sunroof open on his car on rainy days like 3 times. He’s misplaced his wallet 5 or 6 times. When it’s his turn to get everyone’s lunches he always forgets someone’s order or screws up an order. When we have a rush of customers and we’re very busy for an hour or so, after things ease back to normal he has to go and “take a moment” in the break room and lays his head down on the table. When you talk to him he tries to finish your sentences for you like he’s trying to hurry the conversation along. Dude is all fucked up. Big time.
As a person with ADHD who has never been medically diagnosed, I have struggled to identify why I have struggled with learning problems throughout my life. I do very well in some subjects and yet awful in others. The identification a common cause does not stop with education, its with everything. Until my 50s I thought I was never bored with anything, yet now I understand that the reason I dont feel I am bored is because i am always bored, most of the time. I can hyperfocus for hours on end, and yet to concentrate on someone speaking can be very difficult if not impossible. This sound bite does not really adequately give any kind of objective explanation to this condition. Maybe in the last 3 years he has investigated the subject more thoroughly.
So youre bored of others but can focus on what you want to focus on.
I think add is just unaccountable.
You can focus you just don't focus on the right things.
@@ZenCorvus Actually thats not wrong. I have ADD. The thing is, I can concentrate on things I want to concentrate on but when concentrating on things I dont want to, in many instances I fall asleep. I can fall asleep standing up. Fall asleep whilst working (my hands still moving whilst I am asleep). Fall asleep whilst having a conversation, whilst driving, reading etc. The mind gets bored and then shuts down. Its not something you can overcome with will power, its not a conscious decision. Over the years (unaware I had ADD) I developed strategies to cope. For example I only drive cars with manual transmission and I chew gum. My theory is that ADHD is a hangover from Hunter Gather times. A small group is more likely to survive if it has a couple of all rounders (people who get bored tend to be OK at many things but great at nothing). So, the person who turns skins into clothes dies, you take over and train up a replacement. Modern economies (and large societies) only reward specialisation, ADD offers nothing and so is seen as a disorder.
@@myyololand I officially got diagnosed with ADHD two years ago. Being now in my 40ies, this diagnosis was the long awaited missing link to my underachievement and tendencies to burning out. With ritalin I am now able to work full time and even have a life after a 9 to 5 day. Before, a normal workday would have normally crashed down my system for the rest of the day.
maybe you're just willful stubborn or simply not interested in schools bullshit agendas? You're totally overthinking the simplicity of life. Quit trying to annalise your direction and find yourself.... good luck. T Leary said, "tune in turn on and drop out" -maybe that will help...
@@ZenCorvuswow the amount of times this exact statement is made is insane - and maybe is a problem with some other ADHDers here perpetuating the idea they have an attention deficit problem, which simply isn’t the case. I suppose it comes from the term itself “attention deficit” but this is a complete misrepresentation. It is actually a disorder of regulation of the executive functions due to a lack of dopamine sensitivity, production or uptake in the frontal lobes (or at least that is the central thread to all the different manifestations of the condition) - it is literally a natural extension of this which tells us why ADHDers (like myself) cannot focus on things we don’t find interesting. Our attention is DYSREGULATED not deficient hence the hyper focus. Saying that people with ADHD can focus is not a revelation to anyone who has done more than 5s of research and believes the environmental explanatory bullshit you and Jordan Peterson are perpetuating. I personally see it is as a difference that is disabling in the modern world in certain aspects and just saying “change the school system” and “education has failed you” doesn’t cut it if 99 percent of people benefit from the system while you suffer in it.
I respect Dr. Peterson immensely. I've watched many of his lectures, many of his interviews, and I own a copy of Twelve Rules for Life. I've recommended him to other people, and I intend to expose my son to his lectures when I think he is mature enough to absorb them.
All that said, he is misrepresenting ADD here. I have endured it my entire life. In hindsight, my limited memories from before kindergarten include coping with ADD symptoms. He is correct that it isn't a 'disease,' hence the word 'Disorder.' but to imply that it's merely a consequence of denying children (boys, primarily, as boys are diagnosed 7:1 compared to girls) adequate physical playtime is inaccurate.
Yes, ADD is grossly over-diagnosed. And yes, we educate our children in a 'one-size-fit-all' strategy that will naturally serve many poorly. But, if we bring back permitting rough-and-tumble play, and PE class, and letting the more curious and adventurous children get up and touch things more, after those children properly socialize, some will still be left over whom cannot adequately function. Figuring out how to prevent that is complicated, because ADD doesn't appear to have one trigger, but rather many, and rarely do you see all of them present in any one child. What's more, it's difficult to account for how babies and toddlers are raised in the real world, as that happens privately, at home.
ADD does appear to have a genetic component, like Alcoholism. I believe it also has a developmental component. My parents split up when I was very young, and I believe during the time frame when I should have been learning how to regulate my attention, I instead had to learn how to cope with my loneliness, as I essentially lost two parents; one left, and the other worked full-time to support me. But all this is merely conjecture on my part.
Ritalin and Adderall are not 'cures' for ADD. And they each come with their own set of side-effects.
Your amygdala is permanently enlarged because your parents effectively abandoned you. This will cause you to be hypervigilant like a prey animal.
I see what your saying and agree to an extent I thing a major part of this video was how unnatural our school/ work lives are I also have ADD and get your point but I think we will never be able to fit into the world as it's being constructed
@@henryjubeda7617 Thank you for that. That provided me with a line of questioning I hadn't previously thought of. I'll look into what you're saying.
You didn't listen to anything he said, he straight up quoted studies saying that restricting social beings such as rats and thusly, humans, LITERALLY STUNTS YOUR GROWTH and leaves you unable to internalize the vital socialization necessary for proper mental health.
You didn't touch on the point he made that, only since the industrial revolution where factories were introduced, making time a quantitative element in our lives that it NEVER PREVIOUSLY WAS, is damaging and straining on the human psyche, I wholly disagree that what Jordan has said is untrue to any extent, Need I remind you that this man is a well respected professor and clinical psychologist and unless you can show me some credentials, I won't attribute the same credit to you as him.
Me too! My daughter is an introvert who CANNOT focus, she's quiet and unfocused and it's a problem.
For how i see it, any Kid that is not active, curious and willing to communicate everything, is the one who needs medication. We are becoming so stupid.
Studies have shown that children (esp adhd/add kids) need 3 things to be "settled" and attentive.
1) at least 9 hours sleep each night
2) same daily routine EVERY day
3) food without preservatives/additives.. lots of vegetables, fruit, protein. As a teacher, with parents, we turned many so-called ADHD kids into settled students who excelled in the classroom, with no meds. Taking kids off processed food showed behavior improvement within 2-3 days.
I would add #4 limit screen time. It seems ADHD is much more common among kids that spend a lot of time in front of a TV, computer or phone. It stimulates them but doesn't allow them to burn off the excess energy
I was truly diagnosed with ADHD at age 8 by a pediatric psychiatrist and again that same year by a child psychologist. I remember unable to stop squirming in my chair, I would act impulsively, I'd get written up for disrupting the class when I wasn't even trying to, I was easily distractable. I was then prescribed Adderall. My world changed. For the first time, I was able to sit still, think before I acted, make plans, and remember class lessons. At one point in my adult life I was separated from all my psychiatric meds including Adderall (well they gave me just enough to not go through withdrawal). They did a 6 hour neuro psych test after which I was again diagnosed with ADHD (although its more like ADD now. no impulsiveness). Adderall has improved my quality of life without adverse effects. The point is: ADHD exists, but it is WAY over diagnosed.
No you weren't. You're just another mediocre little man blaming his failed life on a mythical 'condition'.
@@goodyeoman4534 I graduated from a top 100 university with a degree in philosophy. I am only one of 1,500 Certified Paralegals across the entire U.S. I have devoted over 10 years of my life to becoming a qualified expert in the martial arts, and I have ranked on the National and international levels. I can burn through $450 dollars a week without my bottom line being affected. My Full Scale IQ is 130 and I scored in the 99th percentile on the vocabulary subtest as measured by the WAIS. I am only 31 years old. Nothing about this is mediocre.
@@Robert-uz2mz And after all that trumpet-blowing, you still haven't grasped the scientific method. You lame boasts don't impress me, cupcake.
Good Yeoman You are the one who can’t grasp what a neurological disorder is. You’re as dumb as the people that say dinosaurs aren’t real because we can’t see them roaming around
@@lembu7220 I understand that you are an emotional child incapable of rational debate. Rather embarrassing for you. Must be hard being so tormented.
Giving children speed is child abuse. Period. Give them two recesses of 30 minutes a piece and one hour of physical education per day. Get the pharmaceutical industry out of your daily life.
This is a really uninformed comment
@@OTPpride Objectively less so than yours is uninformative.
Trevor B mine is telling you that this is information lacks substance. I work in schools and children get physical education and 2 breaks every day.
Also have ADHD and know how much benefit can be reaped from proper treatment.
Also do child psychology. I’m not debating anything JP says, but to insinuate a well balanced program that involves a prescription drug (not ‘speed’) is child abuse is simply shallow minded and inexperienced and uninformed.
Maybe in your state...in Ga they are trying to pass bills to get recess back....nothing has passed yet.
Trevor B No, the original post was not informative at all.. so how could his response be less informative?
Hats off to the truth.
Society is the one that is sick not kids
Thank G-d for all of the modern methods of dealing with ADD. I started school in the late 1930's. I now realize that I had an advanced case of ADD, my parents never even realized that I had a problem and it was ignored. My ADD was passed down to most of my grandchildren, fortunately their parents living in a modern society, recognized the problem and dealt with it. I certainly wish that I had the benefit of modern drugs and regimens. I beg all parents to recognize that there are certainly problematic diagnoses, but think for yourself and exhaust all avenues. DO NOT accept others opinions especially those that just take cheap shots at scientific solutions.
Agree completely. My son could not function in society without his medication. It's been a godsend to us. Ironically, his name is also Elliott.
I didn’t get diagnosed until after my freshman year of college. It explained a lot, and once I started on my medication, school suddenly became WAY easier. I don’t know if I would have given myself the diagnosis earlier, but I do know that ADHD made school a lot harder than it otherwise would have been.
There was time consciousness long before the factory or industrial age. Agriculture had and has to depend upon time to plant and harvest. Farmers rely on signs of nature to indicate the best time to plow and take physical action, no longer using the horse, but rather machinery to work efficiently in time before it rains, freezes, or the wind whips up making it hard to complete farm tasks. This learning is cooperative with nature. In the "outdoors" classroom, there is movement. No constrictions to sitting in desks.
Well, this makes sense. I was in elementary school 1956-1962, and was bored out of my mind. I remember being a class cut-up in the fifth grade, because I couldn't stand the class. And it continued through Jr. High and High School. Reminds me of Paul Simon's words in "Kodachrome", "When I think back to all the crap I learned in High School, it's a wonder I can think at all."
......and yet, I bet you are able to read, write, do math, still know your multiplication tables, and probably had (have) a good job. Regardless of the fact that you "could not stand it".....you did actually "stand it", and came out better for it. For reference, I was in grammar school exactly at the same time you were.
@@rds990 Everyone was tested for their IQ in the fourth grade. I scored high enough to qualify for the accelerated program, called Rapid Learners at the time. There were about six out of the whole school. There was just very little inspiration in school...and yes, I joined the USAF in '69, trained in electronics, and have a good job in IT today.
Stories of recovery that I hear from people usually have a common theme of "I couldn't fit the mold, I suffered, this thing allowed me to fit the mold and be in less conflict with the world." But I rarely hear it discussed whether the mold is actually what everyone thinks should be achieved when you take a step back.
I believe that you are one of the many wonders of the world....thank you for speaking up and clearly for many damaged people who used to be perfect children before they were loaned out to schools. Love your words and images so helpful.
Check out how Norwegian pre schools are structuring their outdoor schools.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu Eat the meat, spit out the bones. Socialism is shit, evil, long term unsustainable, and cowardly. But people within socialist systems aren't precluded from having good ideas.
In Illinois, I taught public elementary, junior and senior high school mixed for 22 years, starting at age 41. I taught special education. 2 different years I taught in alternative schools; the ones where all the 'bad' kids are sent when kicked out of regular school. I'm reading a lot of comments stating school teaches you to think for yourself. Wrong. Thinking for yourself comes from your own human makeup, genetics, family environment, social associations and opportunities for your mind and body to jointly connect to the elements of the world you were born onto. Most of the 'bad' kids I worked with were extremely intelligent, some more so than some on the staff. They did lousy in general school because they hated sitting and doing the rote crap. They also had social challenges and personality differences for various reasons. But once I let them have some control over how they wanted to learn a topic, WOW, they shined on what they liked and were much more cooperative on what they didn't like. I had the freedom to adapt my class to the individuals on a better basis than the super controlled regular ed classes. I learned that all kids; aka all human beings; have two best learning environments which I expressed to our in-house psychologist during my last month of teaching before retiring; " I'll say that 65% of the kids learn just fine in this regular system. But the other 35% are in hell all day long in this building with little reprieve. This does not work for them." Last note: when I tutored two 10-year-olds at the town library one summer, I started with this: " You are very smart just as you are right now. From the day you were born your brain was working on learning everything about your homeworld, outside world, social world, everything being connected through the context of regular life and language. If I could record all you know right now on the front and back of regular typing sheets, this entire library would be filled with so many stacks of paper that no one would be able to get in. The doors wouldn't open, the windows would be totally blocked. The reason you think you're not smart is that school breaks everything into pieces that don't mean a thing by themselves. they tear what you know apart to the point you don't know what you're looking at and then you feel dumb." They'd look around the library imaging all those stacks and they'd smile and then we'd start working with what they know and attach it to what it's for and go on from there. Their mothers told me they did great after our sessions. Anyway, I strongly encouraged my son and his wife to homeschool their now 3 boys, ages 4,6and 8. Those boys are sharp, curious, well adjusted and love learning. Their parents do their schooling at home. I am a part of the home school community they belong to and meet with twice each month, and I help teach as well.
Love your narrative ❤
Totally agree. We had a very active childhood and my parents encouraged us to discover and play. Children today it seems are "imprisoned" in a school system and then a corporate/factory system that stymies their natural growth and curiosity....then just give them a pill.
I watched a video yesterday where a psychiatrist (Dr Gabor Mate) said ADHD is a result of sensitivity in a baby. He explained that some people are born with more sensitivity to other people's emotions and as a baby if their caregiver has negative energy they're giving off unintentionally due to trauma, stress, fear or whatever and the baby is picking up on that but has no way to escape it they will learn to tune out and find a distraction and if the caregiver is always giving off negative energy it will become automatic for the child to tune out when they feel any distress. He said if he were the child's doctor and they came to him he'd tell them there's nothing wrong with your child's brain.. he's just sensitive and developed a coping skill to deal with it. It was a major lightbulb moment for me hearing that because it makes so much sense and got me thinking about other coping skills sensitive children (or just children in general) may have developed to avoid feeling distress due to other people's negative energy such as avoiding eye contact because infants do look into the eyes of whoever is holding them if they feel safe and comfortable (if they feel stress or fear though they'll get upset and cry and not bond with them) and they kind of imprint on the person by associating the feeling their energy gives them with their eyes and face to remember you..I had 4 little sisters and I babysat a lot growing up and one of my favorite things in the world is seeing their eyes light up with recognition or when they figure something out. Kids and babies have always been drawn to me and I think it's because the energy I give off matches what they see in my eyes and body language so they instinctually know they can trust me. You can smile and coo at a baby all you want but the more your energy doesn't match your actions the more distrust they'll have for you and the more they are exposed to inauthenticity the more distrust and coping skills will be developed and hence, there is your autism spectrum. I believe all children are born sensitive to energy, some more than others, and their experiences early on determine whether it'll be considered a "symptom of a disorder" or a "gift" of intuition and empathy. They're so caught up in labels and giving meds to suppress "symptoms" instead of finding the root cause and educating people. They can start by calling them coping skills instead of symptoms.
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I was the perfect student when I was in class. I would just sit and pay attention and found almost everything interesting, but I was never taught how to discipline myself to do homework at home.
You didn’t do homework and your still alive ? You should be in jail how dare you not do your homework. That could ruin your whole life 😂😂my point it’s not needed your doing fine
Are you able to get things done now? If so how did you learn? I can get things done at work but not at home)
I understand his point. And then there's my wife. She is ADD, and a day without Ritalin is a very interesting day indeed, for both of us: for her as she changes the subject three times in one sentence, and for me as I try to figure out what's going on.
That is me as well. And no sense of organization but I multi-task extremely well. Adderall has made such a difference. I'm more organized, complete tasks and people can follow my conversations. And I'm not chasing squirrels!
I was diagnosed with ADHD in elementary school in the early 1970s. They gave me Ritalin which made me a zombie. It also led me to harder drugs in high school mostly amphetamines and alcohol. Coffee and soda can actually make me sleepy because of the caffeine and sugar.
The military helped me a lot with focus because it is so structured with routine.
The original doctors had said my hypothalamus was damaged. In crowds I can't distinguish between the crowd noise and someone standing right next to me talking. Everything is at the same volume and I cant stand the chaos.
We know so much more today but I still struggle with focus and concentration. Maturity helped a lot too. I was able to go to college in my 30s and now have a 23 year career in IT.
I still need routine and structure even though I hate it. People are strange and social ques are still foreign to me.
It took me longer to grasp things in school but, when I did I never forgot them so, I did much better than other students on the governmental standardized tests of the time. My teachers were dumbfounded and asked me if I could explain why my grades didn't reflect my high test scores. Here is the reason I gave: you move so rapidly through the subject without discussing it in depth that I have learned it only after you have given the tests. After each test the teachers would go over the subject again. I would have had better grades if I had better teachers. Later I enrolled in Baylor University and made excellent grades. By that time I had learned how to teach myself. I was an excellent teacher and served as a volunteer tutoring other students while I studied for my own degrees.
Well done you broke the ‘cookie cutter’ approach. Meaning you didn’t follow the herd.
Deep respect for this man. Brilliant mind.
brilliant mind ? he is very emotionally unstable
Like Elon Musk, he ain’t that brilliant.
@@AmyStar-yh6bnhow?
@@Decimus78 To be fair... they are both Brilliant... But Neurological Pharmacology is NOT Jordan's specialty. Elon, also brilliant... but not when it comes to anything at the level of social interaction.
@@AmyStar-yh6bn Let's agree for arguments sake... since when are those two mutually exclusive, Miss yh6bn?
Just discovered this guy today. I have heard his name in passing before but this guy is incredibe. I have watched a few videos with him now and this is all stuff I wish I heard and could have showed my parents and teachers decades ago. Wow.
This is why his university is attempting to destroy him now.
I think he is a great orator and has a brilliant way to break down Jung, Freud, and attachment theory ... and the way he links it to philosophy... however like any human he has frailties and ideas I don't agree with and I wish he leaned more to vulnerability
@@meenachadha3766 NO one should ever be worshipped. What specifically are you referring to?
@Mrbfgray I don't worship him.... I feel when he is challenged such as at the university he teaches at suspended him for refusing to use student pronouns he doubled down and has a high misogynistic hypermasculine group of fans
He is spot on with this. I was never an ADHD kid, because I was already well controlled by the time I went to school and introverted. However, I remember the type of kids that would have been diagnosed with this if it had existed in the 70s. They were the sort of kids that were into everything, were liberated and had a lot of energy. They were the sort of kids that would come in with their arm in a cast because they had been out playing and taking risks and had broken their arm etc. If is not a disease at all.
Rubbish, he's far from spot on.
You were never a adhd kid? You were controlled by the time you went to school?
You obviously have no idea about adhd. You cannot just be a adhd kid by choosing to be lol, it's a complex neurological condition that involves deficiencies in specific neurotransmitters which is 80% hereditary. It regulates attention and emotions in different ways than a neurotypical brain would.
You cannot be controlled prior to attending school if you have adhd, unless on medication.
Some 90 percent of non-adhd people called "neurotypical"which doesn't necessarily mean they are “normal” or better but that their neurology is accepted and endorsed by the world.
I'm talking from personal experience, I didn't get to choose of how I would of liked to have behaved.
It's pointless trying to explain to people of what it's like to have adhd unless they have it, then they would understand.
Unfortunately this presents your limitations in the understanding of what Adhd is; which is implulse and emotional dysfunction caused by frontal lobe processing and seratonin uptake. You seem to be commenting on a debunked caricature of Adhd which is indeed not factually based by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm sorry, but you don't know what ADHD really is. ADHD manifests itself in many ways and to different degrees in each person who is dealing with it. If you haven't had to deal with it yourself or in one of your kids, you need to educate yourself and understand what it really is and the hell it puts people through. Look at the books "Driven to Distraction," "You Mean I'm Not Lazy, Crazy, or Stupid?" and "Taking Charge of Adult ADHD" by Dr. Russell Barkley (who also has a number of excellent diagnostic and explanatory lectures posted here on CZcams).
I have ADHD and am introverted.
In 1952, juice was given to students. I was forced to drink canned pineapple juice, and I hated the taste, The teachers forced my head back and pinched my nose to force me to drink. My way of dealing with my ADHD, I skipped school until I was caught. At age seven my family moved to a home in the country where the teachers loved their students. The good news, my ADHD turned to gold in my later years.
I don’t have a problem focusing, but medication helped me so much with impulsive behavior. I am able to think through my decisions and I have better grades, not because I am hyper focused, but because I can think through my choices. I am a female who was diagnosed at 6, but didn’t take medication until 18.
I must have adult ADHD then...I've always preferred fun and socialising over piss boring, monotonous, repetitive jobs, that mostly pay peanuts.
I read an article once that back in early tribal times, ppl with adhd made good hunters. They could sit and observe the forest- scanning the forest and listening . Also when excited there’s that high energy , perfect for chasing game right? I also have adhd and it made sense to me. Same as the theory that night owls come from ppl that had to guard at night , and early birds guard during day etc..
And....what is your net worth? Are you able to tolerate the things you mention in order to feed yourself?
7Earthsky As long as you can support yourself and do that, have at it. just don’t ask anyone else to pay for it.
@@nachooos7530 Do you make a living scanning the forest ?
@@SteviePaints I'm unemployed...You're paying for my up keep son.
"I couldn't go to university, I had a business to run" who said that? I did, and it worked out alllllright. I am so glad my youthful ambition was not misdiagnosed as ADHD etc. By the way, my family weren't happy with this decision and neither did they help... the one was on me... let YOUR heart be your guide and if you are forced to measure yourself against the many sheep, do NOT slow down to match their pace, let them try and match yours. Happy New Year, make 2020 count.
As someone who grew up on every ADHD med on the market, it calmed me down, helped me focus better, but as I got older, I realized I could focus without those meds. They got me through school but I honestly think those drugs stunted my growth in ways. I'm not a very successful adult, I've had many failures, ADHD meds wont solve everything, in fact, they could cause other problems.
I’ve always been very extroverted, active, curious, adventurous, and had a tendency to talk to absolutely anyone and everyone when I was younger. In fact, my teachers would always complain to my mom that I talked “too much” and got distracted way too easily. Anyways, I got bullied pretty badly in both elementary and middle school and to be quite honest, it’s a huge contributor as to why my ADHD tendencies tremendously decreased overtime. Why have Ritalin when you could just get bullied? 😂 haha
I had the exact same experience. It robbed me of my confidence from the age of 13 onwards. I became a people pleaser, which meant that I was often taken advantage of emotionally , financially and in my workplace.
I used to treat people how I wanted to be treated and it was very rarely reciprocated, now I treat people the way they treat me and now I don't feel bad for doing that.
@@lastofthefamous2542 You found the truth. Contrary to what is preached by many, one shouldn't treat everyone nicely. One shouldn't treat everyone like shit either though. I am nice by default to new people I meet to begin with and then regulate my treatment to them based on how they behave towards me. If they treat me not with the same fervour and friendliness, I then treat them exactly the same way. They deserve it cos they earned it. Same goes for cases where I continue treating people well cos they treat me well too. Same idea - they earned it.
You all are resonating with me on a deep level
Wtf its actually the same for me
@@albussd That's exactly what I do, treat everyone with respect and kindness they deserve.
Show me just ONE study proving a correlation between ADHD and open extroversion.
I don’t buy it. Some people are internally hyper. I am. I’m also an introvert diagnosed with ADHD.
I think Peterson’s problem is that he wants to be an expert on everything, but that’s not possible.
Yep exactly the same I’m a pretty introverted person and was diagnosed with ADD which doesn’t really fit the description Peterson is giving here
Yeah. Peterson's got some great advice sometimes but he really botched this lecture. He doesn't even cover the other ADHD symptoms like disorganization, impulsivity and procastination. And he could at least get his stimulants right.
Or you could just be INFP. Personality most likely to be misdiagnosed with all personality disorders, especially ADD/ADHD.
ask the Etruscans I’m INTP, actually. But an INFP with ADHD would also score low on extroversion.
@@Adam-bq2vw i an "infp" and have thought I had add for a long time. fUCK KNOWS ANYMOEW LMAO. i SCORED 41 OUT OF 50 ON THE AQ TEST THE OTHER DAY. Oops caps lock, my bad.
It's interesting looking back now on Dr. Peterson - and seeing. You can see how sick he is, how much his body is suffering. It's good that he's healing his body now, thanks to lovely Michaela.
I'm 33. My graduating class was the last to learn Cursive. If I was distracted, wouldn't focus, or was goofing off... The solution my Dad had for me was a swift smack. I had no problem focusing after that solution. Worked like a charm. The problem isn't some wonky ADHD garbage, it's lack of discipline. As Jordan mentioned, schools are similar to factories.
When I was in the third grade in 1973 I was diagnosed with being hyperkinetic towards the end of the year. I was put on Ritalin until school was over for the summer. I wasn’t hyperkinetic at all because I didn’t have problems after the third grade with concentration and staying still. My guess is the teacher was boring and couldn’t hold my attention.
Couldn’t watch this video in full length. Squirrel past and vid was too long
nice one
A squirrel!
Where?
I was gonna reply to what you said but I can't remember what it was.
I saw the same squirrel, then a shiny object distracted me from the squirrel
What? I wasn't paying attention...
i was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid in the mid 90's. they wanted to medicate me. my parents were highly against it and had me seeing a behavioural therapist instead who taught me how to focus.
i remember once a week i was made to sit in a chair across from someone else for 15 minutes. you couldnt move, you were to stare forward at the other person, you cant even scratch an itch.
i assure you, your focus gets better and better. (there was a lot more than that, just an example)
The over diagnosis of ADHD makes it REALLY frustrating for people who have ACTUAL ADHD due to a nerve disorder. No one takes it seriously because the bar has been set so low.
"I have ADHD."
"Yeah you and everyone else."
"No, I have the REAL thing."
This dismissal even happens when the person in question is an adult.
My dad and sis have that. They have made it work for themselves.
How so?
How?
My ex wife (who is also quite likely a narcissist) has ADHD. Her inability to focus on anything that didn't give her a high level of stimulation (I.E. 'something fun") nearly drove me to the nuthouse.
textbook psycopath
Women are just grown children. "Entertain me! Entertain me!"
@@mohammedelaminemihoubi1867 Although she was never diagnosed, it was pretty clear to me that she was a narcissist. Those people are evil in their own way.
My son was " Diagnosed" ADHD by his teachers/ school...had me medicate early. The side effects are horrible, stunted growth etc.
After repeatedly forced Covid school shutdowns we switched to homeschooling.
Took him off all meds.
Guess what? He's 11, been off them 2 years...
He is doing FANTASTIC!😎
I'm INCREDIBLY Proud of him!
While in school when 1st tested 5th nationally on Standardized Testing. Upon retest to confirm..3rd nationally.
Guess what there is absolutely nothing wrong with my kid!
He is smart, inquisitive,hardworking and a CHILD.
A great kid😎
# Don't be bullied into medicating your children! The schools want " zombie kids " they are easier to " handle "😒
# ALWAYS be your child's #1 ADVOCATE
My son will grow up to be...exactly whomever he is meant to be. A fantastic person with a mom that has his back.
I know you think this man is some kind of messiah and guru but quite honestly this is mostly common sense to people of my age…thankgod the young parents have a voice of reason to listen to now!!
Compare N. American schools, or government run daycare so moms can go to work and pay taxes too, to Finnish schools, or Swiss schools. Each are about 3 hrs a day, with slight variations for diff ages. Considered best educational system in the world, Switzerland also very high
Marla Jacques compare also to China, where all the kids basically live at school. And then the work life they’re put into
The school days arent that short here (Finland). 4-5 hours for 1-2nd graders, then 5-6, 6-7, eventually 6-8 when you're 12+ y/o. Ironically when you get to Uni then its back to the same level as at 1st grade, or less, having few 1,5-3 hour lectures a week (depending on your schedule ofc)
AleK and is it true that Finn kids get a 15 min break after each lesson and also have less homework? B4 they were home schooled mine got 1 recess for 15 mins and a 45 min lunch with over an hr of homework every eve, even primary grade
Marla Jacques
Finland is a very small, ritch western country that is very homogenius it is a lot more easy then to give all the kids a great education. Trying out different metods and stick to the ones that work the best.
This is extremely true, and untrue at the same time. Some of core ADHD symptoms, as in restlessness and seeming defiant/hyperactive behavior (+ later, the low motivation and selfesteem) is absolutely caused the way Jordan desribes here. It is only in the conflict with "the system". However, ADHD is "real", as in - it is a "disorder", that has neurological origin separate from psychology - it would take waaay too long to try to put all the pieces of why together in the comments, and I definitely dont even have all of them, so I wont attempt it, but its there - even if the system was perfectly ADHD friendly, the 2% of actually significantly ADHD people will still have "quirks" and problems that are unexplainable through psychology and temperament. And yeah, problems too... Some of it is just problematic in basically all contexts.
Thanks for your video on it
I work in a sector where everything you do is measured by seconds not minutes. It's high pressure and I love it.
I have been reflecting on myself and addressing my health over the past few years. I have been aware for most of my adult life that I struggle with focus and I often forget conversations I've had. I met with a specialist and she interviewed me. She told me I show a few of the traits of Attention Deficit Disorder and had me try Ritalin at the lowest dose. I was expecting that a big light bulb would turn on for me. It did not. She increased my dose from 10mg to 20mg. I noticed some changes then. My focus is much improved but the best part is that I have become extremely productive. I was a guy who had ambitions and motivations but never followed through with them because I was tired all the time - mentally and physically tired. Life had passed me by and I had wasted my time. Now, I do my job (I teach gifted students), work a second job in the evenings, and still find the energy to get up and lift weights at 5am every evening and take my dog to the dog park every pleasant night. I wish I had discovered this, and the other health issue I didn't know about, when I was in my early 20s. I can't help wondering what I might have done with my life.
Congratulations on all that you’ve accomplished- that’s so amazing. I’ve personally seen ADHD medication transform people’s lives. If you’re able to, I highly recommend pairing therapy with your meds, so you can process this significant life change. I’m sure you’re going to/ are doing amazing things!
I love this guy. I have a 7 year old boy who is now in 2nd grade and I can see him struggling with the current school system here in America. I struggled the same way when I was his age. I pick him up from school and I let him play and run at the park and playground and I also have him into sports to let him get his energy out as much as possible. I think that’s about all you can do.
Let him focus on what he finds interesting, and he'll be all right
“About all you can do”???
Homeschool
I haven’t been diagnosed but I’ve always known I was ADHD because I was homeschooled and had no bells or rules or was forced to sit all day but I’m still extremely hyper compared to most people. I’m way louder and bouncy and laugh more and am seen as silly and immature although those who know me know I’m more mature than the average person my age. When I have recently studied more about adhd there are so many more things about it than just hyperactivity and inattentiveness and all of the things that are attached to it are things I do and struggle with are the same.
I agree many kids are misdiagnosed when they should just be allowed to run and play but what about us adults?
Hyperactivity is not the same thing as ADHD. If you are not struggling with executive functions to the point it greatly impacts your daily life then u do not have adhd. As someone who actually has it I’m sick of people thinking it’s just hyperactivity or extreme extroversion
None of those things are evidence of ADHD.
@@hannahgomes2259 The thing is, extraversion and openness, especially added to disagreeableness and unconscientiousness, also affect executive function to the point where it greatly impacts your daily life.
I'm not saying that's the same as ADHD, I'm saying your definition of ADHD does not differentiate them sufficiently.
The problem is, as Jordan points out, ADHD is not an objective thing in the world, like say, cancer or diabetes. ADHD is a socio-psychotic category we've established and put gates around (the DSM-5). Therefore we can very easily put up the gates far too wide, which in this case we have.
Virtually every 5 year-old boy could be diagnosed with ADD or ADHD according to the absurd guidelines in the DSM. This is why it's hard to take these things seriously as a pathology. We're pathologizing character traits essentially.
So ADD isn't something you "have", because it's not a disease. It's a name we came up with for traits that a person can have. And when a person has those traits "in excess" (as we define excess), then we say you "HAVE" this disease.
It's incredibly misleading. Not to mention destructive to those who are told they have a problem, when it's just the world that has a problem with them.@@hannahgomes2259
@@SeraphsWitnessThis is a completely non sensical take and clearly is bred from a complete lack of knowledge and a sprinkle of intellectual narcissism. ADHD is on the of the least fuzzy categories in the clinical literature and diagnostic manuals and the criteria are just fact very narrow - it essentially covers the executive functions and their regulation. It certainly IS an objective disorder - individuals diagnosed have relatively far more inconsistent frontal lobe activation compared to TDs due to problems with dopamine sensitivity, uptake and production globally in the brain. Stimulant medications directly targets this issue and brain functional imagery shows the activation tends to level out to a TD standard with the correct dosage and so on. It is certainly the most well researched and easily treatable disorder in the literature and to spew this bullshit in your daily life may be preventing people who genuinely need the support from getting it. Maybe we would have a more productive conversation discussing the “fuzziness” of the diagnosis of autistic people which certainly has far more caveats and understanding needed.
Happily homeschooling my 3 kids! Yesterday morning we went fishing using live bait they dug for themselves. They swam in the lake while a water snake came within feet of them and we spent time researching all about that snake and other snakes in the area. They came in the house hungry and devoured a healthy lunch. Then they were ready to sit and get their math, reading, and writing done with no problem.
As a professor and anesthesia provider I can say that Jordan overall is very much correct and the his book the 12 rules for life is amazing and I think everyone should read it. ADHD is way over played and I think is too much used by an excuse without proper diagnosis by parent’s, to compensate a lack of proper parenting.
We are too busy looking at our damn phones to pay attention to our children
I respect and admire Jordan Peterson. However, I must point out a few things I totally disagree with. 1)what about inattentive (I have adhd(pi) [primarily inattentive]) which was formally called ADD. 2)Ritalin is NOT amphetamine, it is a "stimulant" very similar to Adderall for example which is an amphetamine combination drug. Ritalin is methylphenidate which works a bit differently than amphetamine. 3)ADHD cannot just be "made up" there are scientific pointers/ proofs that suggest problems that we call "adhd" such as brain scans showing abnormalities, blood flow issues primarily in the frontal lobes, etc.
abnormalities according to who? to the majority of the population?
Yeah Ritalin is a phenidate but it's structurally still quite similar to an amphetamine. And there are phenidates that act like releasers and amphetamines that act like reuptake inhibitors but either way it achieves a similar effect. So yeah he got it wrong but it's a petty thing to point out. Even Bupropion is a cathinone but functions differently from most cathinones. All of the fall under phenelthylamines so it would be a lot easier to start just calling them that.
Frontal lobe executive issues are persistent irrespective of setting and task application. Adhd impulse is primarily emotional dysfunction and the primary genetic component allows brain chemistry to be observed via EEG, also irrespective of of the intricacies of the super ego and pleasure principles.
Is this explanation not a psychological one in lieu of the various causes?
I don't remember seeing many ADHD kids in class at school in the 1970s, now they are everywhere.
In my unprofessional opinion (both in the medical field and being a parent), ADHD is over-diagnosed. But at the same time I suspect I have some level of ADD (not officially diagnosed). I often perform better at work (tech industry) if I have something like a show going on at the same time I'm working.
What a sad and messed up world we live in. I could listen to Jordan and people like him all day. We are let down badly by governments, education systems etc.
The education system was created by the needs at the time. The problem that we have now, is that school design never evolved, other than Montessori schools and others similar to them, so we still deal with an outdated model.
Failing to abolish a now-harmful tradition is just as damaging as creating a harmful model in the first place@@danduntz2539
Homeschoolers and adults are diagnosed with this too, so no, to say that it only exists in the school system is inaccurate. Yes, the way that the school system is set up and run is messed up, and can potentially cause misdiagnoses. However, to say that it's not a real disorder is to turn a blind eye to the historical documentation/studies spanning from at least the 1700s as well as denying the visible, structural evidence from brain scans proving its existence.
He is great, when he is right. Just not this particular time.
“Men are built, not born…. Give me the baby, and I’ll make it climb and use its hands in constructing buildings of stone or wood…. I’ll make it a thief, a gunman or a dope fiend. The possibilities of shaping in any direction are almost endless…”
John B. Watson, psychologist, founder of “Behaviorism”
I went through school with dyslexia and ADHD growing up and never had to take medication, just had to work hard and concentrate on my task. Mostly sit on a quite room by myself with no distractions.
I am not and advocate of med. HOWEVER, the issue is far more complex. This does not address ADHD in adults or on females. I was diagnosed in my 40s! I graduated colleges Summa. However, I have always struggled with organization and with keeping jobs. Until I talked with others with ADHD, until I saw the similarities with others who have it I never even realized I was different. That said, I am now 67 years old. I have learned various was to cope yet even now most of my life is a disorganized struggle. It is a daily battle and any day that I don't misplace my keys or my phone is a victory.
Thank you for this comment! I graduated uni with a 3.9 GPA and didn’t get diagnosed until my final year. I always wondered why I had to work twice as hard as my peers to get the same grade, and it took a huge toll on my self esteem when I couldn’t focus. I still cannot do mental math, no matter how hard I try. JBP seems to think ADHD is only for little boys. 💀
@@itsmarinah Interesting I wrote this three years ago. I was in therapy than and I still am. I am now on meds! It helped at first not as much now I need a dosage adjustment. However, since I wrote that several situations have occurred and I have spoiled down a bit and am now climbing out of the pit.ADHDis REAL we are a special minority with unique challenges and talents. I’m 70 now still work and am optimistic. Praying for the best for you
Love listening this intelligent man who puts issues in common understanding language.
That's funny, cause Jordan Peterson is a unintelligent grifter, who uses just enough jargon and word salad to both be meaningless, and impressive sounding.
I was born in the 60's, went to school in the 70's. We had recess every day and P.E. class every day. We also could leave the lunchroom when we were done and play in the playground. When my son was in school I asked why they didn't have recess and I was told they didn't have enough teachers to watch the kids.
I’m a psychotherapist and I work with people who ‘have’ ADHD, they variously say I am wired wrong there is something wrong with me. I am not normal. I have got ADHD. I tell them you are not wired wrong you are normal, there is nothing wrong with you and ADHD is not something you ‘have’ or something you ‘get’. Then we do the psychotherapy, it’s the same as any other psychotherapy, but it understands the variety of human beings.
Alongside all the various ways in which I work a big big part of it is to understand and to celebrate the uniqueness of each person who comes through my door.
Each one of them is quite spectacular and quite wonderful.
Hmmmm, I find myself disagreeing with Dr Peterson for the first time. I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 35 (I'm now 53). I made it through school with strong academic and sporting achievements although I was known as an extrovert and prone to being disruptive in class. I completed a uni degree and have built a good career in IT. I was only diagnosed after I finally quit caffeine and my wife had had enough of me after 6 months - apparently I was horrible to live with without the caffeine stimulating me. After a medical consultation I was prescribed dexamphetamine. I have been taking it now for close to 20 years with only positive effects. I can still be spontaneous and extroverted but I find it possible to focus on problems and deadlines at work without additional support. In the past when I couldn't concentrate on an issue at work I would have some caffeine, go for a short walk and when I returned to my desk would dive in and resolve the issue which had me stumped. For me, ADHD is definitely an imbalance in brain chemistry which is balanced out by a stimulant (caffeine, nicotine, dex, ritalin)
@@robertwatson818 actually I went from Coca-Cola to a prescribed medication. Yes, it was a positive step for me as my body now receives a measured and controlled amount of stimulant on a regular basis rather than ad hoc dosages of varying amounts. My family and friends can see the positive difference it has made. Using prescribed medication is also much cheaper.😊
Caffeine is far more addictive than dexamphetamine. If I forget my dex for some reason I do not experience any withdrawal symptoms at all. When I was using caffeine, if I didn't have some for a period (even half a day) I would start to get withdrawal headaches.
Robert Watson every body is different. I can usually go cold turkey as well. But every once in a while if I get into a bad cycle again and quit... I get some headaches too
Try eating keto or carnivore diet. The mental clarity and focus is amazing! Works better than Adderall which I took for several years for fatigue due to fibromyalgia. Brain fog is gone except during a bad migraine. I think ADD/ADHD is most likely a result of the crap processed food in the Standard American Diet. Mood is great now too.
Claire Sutton , using amphetamines to fight fatigue is not the same as using them to fight symptoms of ADHD. Fibromyalgia and ADHD are two completely different things, so how can you suggest that someone try a fad diet because it helped with your condition?
I think ADHD is a real thing. I have friends who can't even hold their attention for you to finish 2 sentences. They switch topics every minute, they don't even listen to you properly, they are constantly distracted and always looking at social media on their phones.
But maybe it's just bad mental habits, I don't know. Because I don't believe they can function like that at work, they would be fired.
I think a lot of this is like you said habitual. It's like being addicted, only its addiction to electronic stimulus
Social media is designed to be as addictive as possible, so .. yes. They're addicts
We do get fired, regularly. We jump from job to job, are impulsive, suffer emotional dysphoria, become oppositional defiant, are hypersensitive to rejection. Authority figures cracking down make us worse and we have huge problems patenting. We cant plan or prioritise well and have an insatiable appetite for dopamine, sex drugs and novel interests. I was diagnosed at 44yo after almost destroying my life and the lives of people around me. Medication fixed much of it instantly and finally understood the reasons my life was impossible. ADHD is real, but possibly over diagnosed in children.
Jordan speaks the truth. When industrial communities first arose in Britain, industrialists had to employ a man to rap on people’s windows with a long thin stick to get them up for work. Otherwise they got up when they preferred and cost the factory money.
I find it interesting in the way school books are written. And the tests seem to be written in such a way to confuse the student. However in the commercial and business environment everything seems so much clearer when reading text and passing exams.
🤔Feeding kids a Sugar filled breakfast, then send them to school to have them sit still.
It’s very sad that that’s what we do to our kids, but most of us didn’t know better... we should have more discussions on the subject , and make sure more people hear about it, so we can understand it better
You should have known better. Not knowing better is a bad excuse. These doctors should be in prison
Also.. to use today as an example. I am filling out several confined space forms for my job. Drifting off to sleep out of sheer boredom. Unable to focus. So I put CZcams on in a single ear piece to give part of my brain something to focus on while the other part does the work. No more drifting off. 8 out of 9 forms done. Stopped only because this video was playing and it’s a deep personal interest for someone super “ADHD” like me. 🤷🏻♂️😁
Exercise is essential for a child, youth or adult with ADHD. Exercise (particularly aerobic) helps exhaust, calm and thereby alleviate the overwhelming and exhaustive feelings of an "Internal Running Motor" (i.e. Hyperactivity). Plus, the deep breathing resultant from aerobic exercise adds additional calm, and supports the ability to sustain attention and complete tasks well. Can't sit still? Do some stretches and then run around the block! Add to that some deep breathing exercises, progressive muscle exercises, plus some quieting meditation. With those techniques, even the most distractible and hyperactive person can achieve increased calm and sustained focus. Consequently, the powerful feelings of self-esteem and confidence will naturally flow from the experiences of success and competence!
Thank you Dr. Peterson for explaining this so thoroughly !❤
Oh how I like when people who have no idea of what adhd actually is, say "adhd doesn't exist". It does, and I wish I was diagnosed long before my 30s and before it ruined my life. It's like that obscuri kid in Fantastic Beasts movie - you have some abilities. They can also be considered an improvement comparing to neurotypical people. But what it mostly does - it ruins your life, since you cannot and don't know how to manage it.
What do u do to manage it now