It's not about ruining YOUR memories, it's about taking something the musician grew up with and repackaging it in a way that the younger generation can have an opportunity to appreciate it. By listening to Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Biggie, Too Short, ODB, and Dilated Peoples, I learned about music by George Clinton, The Isley Brothers, Bootsy Collins, Rick James, and William Bell. If it wasn't for sampling, I may never have listened to this new music.
The late 70's and early eighties were the last years of modernism where originality was prized in music and art. It was also the zenith of soul and funk where they still used real orchestration and valued virtuosity in playing and singing. When production went from analogue to digital (83-84) it co-incided with societal shift to the post modern era where originality has been replaced by playful appropriation and repitition.That's why music and fashion always have to borrow from the past now.
Just my two cents but I think you are really limiting yourself here. There is likely a ton of original sounding music from the last 3 decades that you could be enjoying. Every period has great music and every period has music that’s unoriginal and boring. If you look for good music, you’ll find it anywhere. If you look for bad music, you’ll find it anywhere.
Don't know anything about sampling, but I do know good music when I hear it. the 70's were a great era. From rock to soul to funk to disco, artists were "creating" new sounds. A very good period in time.
sampling gives alot of beat makers a whole new appreciation for music i was brought up on alot of this music but never really appreciated it until i started making music now il sample alot of this soul etc but il always pay for good records and just listen to them not even sample them. music is meant to be enjoyed but if there where samplers etc back then cats would be doing it its just part of music an has been for a long time peeps need to get off the high horse but i respect there opnions..
NO IDEA IS ORIGINAL !!! there is no doubt in my mind, that music like this was influenced & even took ideas & riffs & basslines & drum paterns from somewhere else, hip hop sampling actually pays these musicians & artists respect by sampling, rather than saying "i'm gonna take this bassline, change a single note & claim it as my own original work", unlike alot of artists back in the day & again, if it wasn't for hip hop sampling, alot of us wouldn't even know about certain music...
Ti all the comments thus far ....Relax guys and enjoy the music before you wake up dead and only wish youcould hear wonderful songs !! soul/funk /jazz .
I am a classically trained muso and work with samplers. They are another colour to the pallet. The first generation soul and funk guys did not have computers but they plagiarized ideas. Even the likes of Duke Ellington nicked riffs and phrases from somewhere to influence his style. I sample stuff and use it as a starting point to jam ideas to. I then twist it to my own. thing and drop the samples. Its musical interpretation. Sample isn't a dirty word guys technology should be embraced.
@HrhFish - thank you, im sick of people thinking sampling takes no skill. it can be done in a fashion that takes little skill but can also be very difficult. sampling goes back way before samplers when people used tape recorders
@HrhFish PREACH!!!! Sampling CAN be a form of flattery, a bridge in generation gaps, as well as way to get money to older artist that got shafted in there deals. Rick James was against sampling, until he got that first MC HAMMER CHECK!
@ those who say sampling is not talent or in other words natural inspiration i beg to differ. WHy? well lets put it this way. If i where to take a piece of this track chop it up and resample it, if done correctly that in itself is talent in its own way. Look at daft punk, dj premiere, skrillex, j dilla, madlib, exile and the list goes on. Anybody could chop a sample but it takes talent to take it to the nxt level. if your gonna sample incorporated like those guys
nicely put, nialldcrowley. diversity is what makes people from being bland and boring...nothing to take too personal. being open to new ideas and things is how one grows, in my opinion.
@btinsley1 you completely ignore the fact that everyone who plays an instrument takes ideas from what has gone before. Most music is about taking "already-created" stuff and appropriating it/giving it your own take... When you improvise as a musician ... where does this stuff come from? it comes from the music you are into, and the ways of describing it like theory and technique... the hardest thing is not playing... it's having ideas ...which is what you need to make good sample based music.
Cuz if you do then ud understand a thing or two about creativity and sound...its not easy making music. Something that sounds simple is sometimes more complicated than you think. that goes for any genre, fuck it even country..
music is about haveing fun feeling something getting caught up in emotions etc if i take a sample chop it up and have fun with it make a beat put it out for others to listen to and enjoy also( i dont sell anything i make ) i think thats the pure joy of sampling and what the music was intended for for me to have fun then i just put my spin on it for others to have fun a beautiful cycle i think lol im probaly not owrding that to right but yall get what i mean
Having a heated discussion about music, and strongly disagreeing, is fine but when people can only answer with abuse and bigotry then I can't see the point - they clearly know they can't win the argument. Nice William Bell track, not heard it before. Thanks for posting.
whosampled dot- com, is an awesome site to track the original tracks which are sampled. a lot of the time the original is way better, but still a very skilled artist can turn the right samples into a masterpiece. if a photographer takes a photo of a man in front of a sign, is he any less of photographer because he didn't take the picture in the sign?
"If it wasn't for sampling, I may never have listened to this new music..." Then whose fault is that? If I and my friends thousands of miles from the source could "discover" old 60s and 70s recordings without the aid of "sampling" and "repackaging", why can't contemporary youth? What exactly was stopping anyone listening to the original artists out of sheer curiosity? Do we need some two-bit rapper to "sample" his music before young people experience Duke Ellington?
@HrhFish Hey - I agree with you, but I don't so much see it so much as plagiarizing as much as using a template - which is practically natural if one is not familiar with or accustomed to a process... Like walking. Who has intellectual property rights on the pimp-walk? LOL - Once again I'm sayin' that I agree with your point but would call it using a guideline or template, or creative reference point - tomayto tomahto, right?
u done?? cuz thats not the point at all... the point is to make sumthing completely different than the original song. and since when do you have to choose...its not like once its sampled the original is lost...in fact it exposes that music to more people and a new generation...sooo calm down lol
Fuck me are people still arguin about samplin? Accept it - music changes, develops & uses new technology. It's not ignorance or philistinism. Anyone who says that a sampler or synth is not a 'real' instrument has obviously never used one. They're complicated as shit & require a deep understding of electronics & music production. Sure, u CAN make a tune without knowing what you're doing, just as u can play a Beatles tune after a week of pickin up a guitar. Doesn't mean it's any less musical.
@andersingram: and you completely ignore the fact that almost no one knows how to play an instrument these days, just talking over a beat looped from a song over 30 years old. i think its gr8 old music is revived, but it's not the answer for eternity...don't you get that? If sampling is not a crutch, why is old music needed the way it is? you can ignore the truth, but the fact remains...we are losing our once well-known talent for instrument playing. FACT.
Do young people only ever listen to music with a view to "sampling" it? What's wrong with leaving the original song alone and enjoying it as it is? - or do you REALLY think you are so more talented than the original singers and musicians here that you can somehow "make a better job of it"? From what I've heard of much contemporary R&B and rap music, you AIN'T and you CAN'T !
It's the young people who are almost totally ignorant of THIS music, not the other way 'round. "Pushing the boundaries of music" is one thing, but previous music genres didn't "progress" by shamelessly stealing existing sections from previous recordings as happens with "sampling". That's a strange form of evolution indeed - more like that of a parasite if you ask me...
Your point of view cannot stand because it's based in ignorance. If we do not push the boundaries of music, it can not evolve. The music you talk about was born from experimenting with a pre-established form of music. You may not like the use of sampling in rap, or maybe even rap as a genre, but sampling will never stop, so it's foolish to even get frustrated about. If you don't like it, all you have to do is turn it off.
What makes you think I haven't "tried sampling" know-all? As a matter of fact I HAVE played around sampling music - but not for wider publication or profit, and I have no desire to hear either YOU or other pathetics ripping-off original musical talent, or dream of doing so myself. As for William Bell "working on the breakbeat", that's just typical of hip-hop's self-absorbed nonsense speak. I'm pretty sure that William Bell was far more interested in doing what he did best, ie. SINGING.
"you would never where it came from unless I told you.." ??!! - So that's your "art" is it? The art of deception? I may well be ignorant of some things, but I know good Soul music when I hear it... and it rarely comes from today's artists. So I'm a "very ignorant and misinformed person" - well I know what I hear, and I'm hearing way too much CRAP from second-rate plagiarists and no-talent chancers who never had an original idea in their lives. William Bell was and is an original.
It's not about ruining YOUR memories, it's about taking something the musician grew up with and repackaging it in a way that the younger generation can have an opportunity to appreciate it. By listening to Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Biggie, Too Short, ODB, and Dilated Peoples, I learned about music by George Clinton, The Isley Brothers, Bootsy Collins, Rick James, and William Bell.
If it wasn't for sampling, I may never have listened to this new music.
The late 70's and early eighties were the last years of modernism where originality was prized in music and art. It was also the zenith of soul and funk where they still used real orchestration and valued virtuosity in playing and singing. When production went from analogue to digital (83-84) it co-incided with societal shift to the post modern era where originality has been replaced by playful appropriation and repitition.That's why music and fashion always have to borrow from the past now.
Just my two cents but I think you are really limiting yourself here. There is likely a ton of original sounding music from the last 3 decades that you could be enjoying. Every period has great music and every period has music that’s unoriginal and boring. If you look for good music, you’ll find it anywhere. If you look for bad music, you’ll find it anywhere.
Don't know anything about sampling, but I do know good music when I hear it. the 70's were a great era. From rock to soul to funk to disco, artists were "creating" new sounds. A very good period in time.
sampling gives alot of beat makers a whole new appreciation for music i was brought up on alot of this music but never really appreciated it until i started making music now il sample alot of this soul etc but il always pay for good records and just listen to them not even sample them. music is meant to be enjoyed but if there where samplers etc back then cats would be doing it its just part of music an has been for a long time peeps need to get off the high horse but i respect there opnions..
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THIS IS SO SMOOTH!
Forever a good song!! Love it!!!! Thanks!!!!
NO IDEA IS ORIGINAL !!! there is no doubt in my mind, that music like this was influenced & even took ideas & riffs & basslines & drum paterns from somewhere else, hip hop sampling actually pays these musicians & artists respect by sampling, rather than saying "i'm gonna take this bassline, change a single note & claim it as my own original work", unlike alot of artists back in the day & again, if it wasn't for hip hop sampling, alot of us wouldn't even know about certain music...
GOOD GOOD MUSIC
Ti all the comments thus far ....Relax guys and enjoy the music before you wake up dead and only wish youcould hear wonderful songs !! soul/funk /jazz .
I am a classically trained muso and work with samplers. They are another colour to the pallet. The first generation soul and funk guys did not have computers but they plagiarized ideas. Even the likes of Duke Ellington nicked riffs and phrases from somewhere to influence his style. I sample stuff and use it as a starting point to jam ideas to. I then twist it to my own. thing and drop the samples. Its musical interpretation. Sample isn't a dirty word guys technology should be embraced.
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du lourd!!! top de chez top!!!
omg! that break!
Well, well Willy has lifted the riff of an old Calla record from '68 - Jean Wells !! lol
@HrhFish - thank you, im sick of people thinking sampling takes no skill. it can be done in a fashion that takes little skill but can also be very difficult. sampling goes back way before samplers when people used tape recorders
Its like the rappers are getting more recognition for songs they had nothing to do with making, than the ppl who actually made them. Thats fucked up
@HrhFish PREACH!!!! Sampling CAN be a form of flattery, a bridge in generation gaps, as well as way to get money to older artist that got shafted in there deals. Rick James was against sampling, until he got that first MC HAMMER CHECK!
Melody sounds like breezin by george benson in parts
Nice groove. :)
@ those who say sampling is not talent or in other words natural inspiration i beg to differ. WHy? well lets put it this way. If i where to take a piece of this track chop it up and resample it, if done correctly that in itself is talent in its own way. Look at daft punk, dj premiere, skrillex, j dilla, madlib, exile and the list goes on. Anybody could chop a sample but it takes talent to take it to the nxt level. if your gonna sample incorporated like those guys
nicely put, nialldcrowley. diversity is what makes people from being bland and boring...nothing to take too personal. being open to new ideas and things is how one grows, in my opinion.
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@btinsley1 you completely ignore the fact that everyone who plays an instrument takes ideas from what has gone before. Most music is about taking "already-created" stuff and appropriating it/giving it your own take...
When you improvise as a musician ... where does this stuff come from? it comes from the music you are into, and the ways of describing it like theory and technique... the hardest thing is not playing... it's having ideas ...which is what you need to make good sample based music.
waw very classy , very high culture waw
Cuz if you do then ud understand a thing or two about creativity and sound...its not easy making music. Something that sounds simple is sometimes more complicated than you think. that goes for any genre, fuck it even country..
No one out there doing this sound anymore...All the song writing talent has gone
music is about haveing fun feeling something getting caught up in emotions etc if i take a sample chop it up and have fun with it make a beat put it out for others to listen to and enjoy also( i dont sell anything i make ) i think thats the pure joy of sampling and what the music was intended for for me to have fun then i just put my spin on it for others to have fun a beautiful cycle i think lol im probaly not owrding that to right but yall get what i mean
@jgk381 I couldn´t agree with you more, JGK.
This isn't on spotify 😕
Free love SAMPLES people, totally FREE
@HrhFish I am not a classically trained musician. But I clearly believe autotune is a dirty word and is slowly pushing genuine musicians under water.
Having a heated discussion about music, and strongly disagreeing, is fine but when people can only answer with abuse and bigotry then I can't see the point - they clearly know they can't win the argument.
Nice William Bell track, not heard it before. Thanks for posting.
whosampled dot- com, is an awesome site to track the original tracks which are sampled.
a lot of the time the original is way better, but still a very skilled artist can turn the right samples into a masterpiece.
if a photographer takes a photo of a man in front of a sign, is he any less of photographer because he didn't take the picture in the sign?
It's site of sample snitchin & that ain' hip hop
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Its not that samplin is bad, I'm just tired of reading more about who sampled these songs than about the ppl who ACTUALLY MADE the songs.
hey youtube: relax, baby
"If it wasn't for sampling, I may never have listened to this new music..."
Then whose fault is that? If I and my friends thousands of miles from the source could "discover" old 60s and 70s recordings without the aid of "sampling" and "repackaging", why can't contemporary youth? What exactly was stopping anyone listening to the original artists out of sheer curiosity?
Do we need some two-bit rapper to "sample" his music before young people experience Duke Ellington?
Who said that buddy ?
@HrhFish Hey - I agree with you, but I don't so much see it so much as plagiarizing as much as using a template - which is practically natural if one is not familiar with or accustomed to a process... Like walking. Who has intellectual property rights on the pimp-walk? LOL - Once again I'm sayin' that I agree with your point but would call it using a guideline or template, or creative reference point - tomayto tomahto, right?
cut up by a DJ yes, sampled no.
Musicians don't need to convince anyone that they are a musician.
u done?? cuz thats not the point at all... the point is to make sumthing completely different than the original song. and since when do you have to choose...its not like once its sampled the original is lost...in fact it exposes that music to more people and a new generation...sooo calm down lol
Fuck me are people still arguin about samplin?
Accept it - music changes, develops & uses new technology. It's not ignorance or philistinism. Anyone who says that a sampler or synth is not a 'real' instrument has obviously never used one. They're complicated as shit & require a deep understding of electronics & music production.
Sure, u CAN make a tune without knowing what you're doing, just as u can play a Beatles tune after a week of pickin up a guitar. Doesn't mean it's any less musical.
No. I thought "pipsqueak" quite appropriate to your mind set, rather than descend to your own crude and semi-literate levels of expression.
@btinsley1 sampling is a crutch?????? are you kidding me? listen to some promo are q-tip.
Doobie dude same exact for me man
@andersingram: and you completely ignore the fact that almost no one knows how to play an instrument these days, just talking over a beat looped from a song over 30 years old. i think its gr8 old music is revived, but it's not the answer for eternity...don't you get that? If sampling is not a crutch, why is old music needed the way it is? you can ignore the truth, but the fact remains...we are losing our once well-known talent for instrument playing. FACT.
dont mention skrillex here haa i dont see how anyone sees that as music
@btinsley1 do you really believe that 'almost no one knows how to play an instrument these days' ?
you sound more than a little bit silly
Do young people only ever listen to music with a view to "sampling" it? What's wrong with leaving the original song alone and enjoying it as it is? - or do you REALLY think you are so more talented than the original singers and musicians here that you can somehow "make a better job of it"?
From what I've heard of much contemporary R&B and rap music, you AIN'T and you CAN'T !
It's the young people who are almost totally ignorant of THIS music, not the other way 'round. "Pushing the boundaries of music" is one thing, but previous music genres didn't "progress" by shamelessly stealing existing sections from previous recordings as happens with "sampling". That's a strange form of evolution indeed - more like that of a parasite if you ask me...
You're a still a fuckin idiot 7 years later
Your point of view cannot stand because it's based in ignorance. If we do not push the boundaries of music, it can not evolve. The music you talk about was born from experimenting with a pre-established form of music.
You may not like the use of sampling in rap, or maybe even rap as a genre, but sampling will never stop, so it's foolish to even get frustrated about. If you don't like it, all you have to do is turn it off.
Hey . Fringe.
How typically eloquent of the "sample everything, create nothing original" generation!
What makes you think I haven't "tried sampling" know-all? As a matter of fact I HAVE played around sampling music - but not for wider publication or profit, and I have no desire to hear either YOU or other pathetics ripping-off original musical talent, or dream of doing so myself. As for William Bell "working on the breakbeat", that's just typical of hip-hop's self-absorbed nonsense speak.
I'm pretty sure that William Bell was far more interested in doing what he did best, ie. SINGING.
"you would never where it came from unless I told you.." ??!! - So that's your "art" is it? The art of deception?
I may well be ignorant of some things, but I know good Soul music when I hear it... and it rarely comes from today's artists. So I'm a "very ignorant and misinformed person" - well I know what I hear, and I'm hearing way too much CRAP from second-rate plagiarists and no-talent chancers who never had an original idea in their lives. William Bell was and is an original.
Nah, that's bullshit.
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if you believe sampling is just recycled junk, you truly, truly have no idea what you are talking about.