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  • @Jayztwocents
    @Jayztwocents  Před 4 lety +786

    A LOT of people have recommended the GoXLR Interface since I want to use this setup for livestreaming. I think I will give that a try... its pricey though at $500. If it works out I will give my Scarlett and and a mic to Phil since he wants to stream too. Thanks for the suggestions!

    • @JRaze
      @JRaze Před 4 lety +28

      Yeah if you are trying to simplify your setup, nothing beats one device to handle it all!

    • @georgiospappas
      @georgiospappas Před 4 lety +5

      I would like to know which microphone and camera you are using for your videos. It seems you have 1 microphone on the top of your shirt and another one on top of your camera. Those seem to be doing the best job out of all of them

    • @bigworm380gaming3
      @bigworm380gaming3 Před 4 lety +4

      @@maverickLIVE I went with the mini and I'm real happy with it. I also use the shure sm7b. works great with the goxlr.

    • @playthreetwo
      @playthreetwo Před 4 lety +35

      Not going to lie, sounds like you didnt do enough research to the microphone. i reccomend the channel booth junkey for mic information. no hate love your vids and keep them up!

    • @mogwix
      @mogwix Před 4 lety +2

      Cool! I'm not sure the GoXLR will have enough preamp gain on its own, you'll still need the cloud lifter with the SM7B. I'd love to see a video though!

  • @anthonyvolpe5221
    @anthonyvolpe5221 Před 4 lety +1525

    Sound engineer of about 20 years here: You have to be CLOSE to the SM7B to get that sound you want. I do agree that it needs more gain, but with more gain comes more noise- especially in lower end preamps like the one in your Focusrite interface. At the end of the day though, if you're happy with your sound then you're doing it right! One final note: the SM7B is $399 everywhere, up from $349 just a few years ago. I know this doesn't make your point any different, but its still a decent amount less than $500 :) Cheers!

    • @PrimeRsoul
      @PrimeRsoul Před 4 lety +35

      I'm definitely not a sound engineer. I'll just keep throwing SM57 and SM58 at everything (you can literally throw the SM57 at anything and it will most likely survive. After all of humanity has gone, you will only find cockroaches and SM57s.). Even though the SM57 has a slightly different spread than the SM58, I prefer the SM57 (if needed with foam) since you can easily EQ it and use it for almost everything, getting it extremely close to the SM7B. And 99 out of 100 people won't even notice the difference, especially if you only use it for simple vocals. Maybe this has also to do with the fact that the SM7/57/58 are all based on the Unidyne III capsule design. Then again, I'm not a sound engineer, so maybe I am talking poop. Aaaaaand you can easily find an SM57 for $100 or less.

    • @Easy_Skanking
      @Easy_Skanking Před 4 lety +29

      Also sound engineer here...The SM7B was an old broadcast mic. Emphasis on old. Rode has better sounding mics for the same application for a good price point. If Jay really wants a great sounding mic, the Neumann TLM-103 has a far superior sound. Is it cheap? Hell no. But you pay for quality and the difference is easy to hear. Also speaking as a former Pro audio salesman, the only way to get what you want in a mic, is t try them out in person. Your ears are your ultimate guide.

    • @sanjacobs6261
      @sanjacobs6261 Před 4 lety +42

      I'm frustrated that CZcamsrs keep defaulting to the SM7B instead of any decent condenser microphone, without any idea what kind of sound it delivers. There is a reason why the SM7B is the default choice for extreme metal vocals.

    • @RealLex
      @RealLex Před 4 lety +27

      Yup Jay, what this man said. I use the SM7B into a Triton Audio Fethed (gain booster like your cloudlifter) into an RME Babyface Pro. I keep the mic no further than 4-6 inches away from my mouth and it gives you THAT sound you're looking for. If you want to REALLY get that proximity effect (you know the smooth deep sound) you basically have to have it right next to your mouth.
      The Mic is great. Your technique and placement of the mic need some improving, as well as the focusrite is just a scarlett is just a mediocre pre-amp/AD interface.
      But your point of the Yeti is still valid. For the money it's a good mic. I used to own one. I like the Rode NT-USB better as a USB Mic, but once you cross a threshold the returns on quality for money spent are very diminished.

    • @grrkaa8450
      @grrkaa8450 Před 4 lety +11

      @@Easy_Skanking for death metal vocals it still works incredibly well - it's not just an old obsolete broadcasting mic

  • @Innosint
    @Innosint Před 4 lety +601

    The warmtone comes from basically speaking right in front of it (within an inch)
    The SM7B It’s not the the right mic if you plan to set it far away from you

    • @Danthrax66
      @Danthrax66 Před 4 lety +31

      Yep, this is why it's important to reach out to companies that sell and test this stuff and talk about goals you want to achieve and not just going with a product that works for other people. Especially if you aren't going to use it like those other people did.
      edit: also I find the focusrite gear to be not great, I use Shure's XLR to usb interface.

    • @nickloper2542
      @nickloper2542 Před 4 lety +20

      Yep, proximity effect is notable on this mic, just like its other SM cousins. Great mic, but kinda wrong application.

    • @NicD5150
      @NicD5150 Před 4 lety +17

      Spot on, and what I was about to comment.
      The SM7B, being a dynamic, is low-sensitivity, you need to speak (or sing) right into it to get the proximity effect (ie the big low end).
      Which also is why in another video I commented that getting a better interface with better pres instead of the Solo would help the SM7B a lot. Basically anything NOT USB bus-powered. An Audient id22 would be perfect, and not too expensive...-ish. Audio stuff isn't cheap. Focusrite interfaces are fine (I like my Clarett 8Pre a lot), it's just that the 7B is super picky about what pre drives it, and it requires massive amounts of gain to deliver THAT sound.

    • @blondiejoe
      @blondiejoe Před 4 lety +12

      Yeah that is a weird choice for streaming. When you sit in a radio studio or you're singing, you are meant to talk/sing right into it. It's not meant to be far away off axis like that unless you're belting it out etc. If you used it as you "should" it would probably be blocking your face or maybe making it hard to see your monitor. I agree that was a huge waste of money for the purpose haha. Live and learn though.

    • @henry67278
      @henry67278 Před 4 lety

      Also the orientation of the microphone matters I use mine verticaly and it sounds great

  • @Kickstandsup83
    @Kickstandsup83 Před 4 lety +390

    "I have no idea what I’m doing..." basically

  • @MattPicsET
    @MattPicsET Před 4 lety +373

    The SM7B works for people who know how to use it. 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @JamieFenn
      @JamieFenn Před 3 lety +17

      This guy has 2.5 mill subs and makes a video like this?! 🤦🏼‍♂️

    • @reverendglitch
      @reverendglitch Před 3 lety +13

      Definitely not an audio guy XD

    • @JakePendleton
      @JakePendleton Před 3 lety +1

      @@JamieFenn I'm saying. Jay is too smart for his own good 🙄

    • @JakePendleton
      @JakePendleton Před 3 lety

      @@hikhuhvhh7883 Um, yeah I did lmao

    • @Lutzsolar
      @Lutzsolar Před 3 lety

      Yup

  • @romero1337
    @romero1337 Před 4 lety +670

    Jay just pissed off alotta sound engineers lmao

    • @bdhale34
      @bdhale34 Před 4 lety +15

      Watch him piss off even more by getting a GoXLR and paying that $200 or more extra for their name. Is it good, yeah maybe but it's for sure way overpriced for a mixer of it's size/feature set.

    • @Kevinmatharu15
      @Kevinmatharu15 Před 4 lety +6

      He wouldn't be pissing off more audio engineers because the goxlr is by T.C. Helicon, a pretty reputable name in the audio world

    • @bdhale34
      @bdhale34 Před 4 lety +7

      @@Kevinmatharu15 they aren't reputable for a $500 four channel toy mixer though.

    • @angelopanzera3946
      @angelopanzera3946 Před 4 lety +9

      Nah, we cool...
      Actually the GoXLR is specifically designed for streamers rather than focusrite products that are intended for audio enthusiasts. As an engineer I'd say the GoXLR fits jays use case better, though he still may need that cloudlifter handy since I doubt a streamer targeted product will have any more gain/level than the focusrite.

    • @MARUKU
      @MARUKU Před 4 lety +5

      @@bdhale34 midas preamps for that price... tell me HOW is it overpriced ?

  • @Dyingtoliv
    @Dyingtoliv Před 4 lety +308

    *gets dynamic microphone*
    *puts microphone far from mouth*
    *microphone sounds bad*
    jay: *surprised Pikachu face*

  • @destin5103
    @destin5103 Před 4 lety +376

    "hey guys here's me being 6 inches too far from my microphone wondering why i need +80 gain"

  • @SpencerBerke
    @SpencerBerke Před 4 lety +105

    Gotta be closer to the mic.

  • @Rubiks_LIVE
    @Rubiks_LIVE Před 4 lety +460

    That smooth tone you were talking about has a lot to do with the SM7b's proximity effect. From what I see and hear, you're simply too far from the mic IMO.

    • @sebdhaese
      @sebdhaese Před 4 lety +20

      Could be, radio hosts are usually right in front of their mic. Streamers aren't.

    • @Rubiks_LIVE
      @Rubiks_LIVE Před 4 lety +46

      @@sebdhaese for a dynamic mic, you absolutely should be. Especially, with an SM7b.

    • @RocketDragons
      @RocketDragons Před 4 lety +6

      This is exactly it. That Yamaha is the only waste of money here (for this application, at least).

    • @Naminooo
      @Naminooo Před 4 lety +14

      This. You are too far away jay. Dynamic mics wants to be close. Proximity effect is something dynamic mics suffer from

    • @lawnytoast7399
      @lawnytoast7399 Před 4 lety +4

      Proximity effect is HUGE on these small sensor/diaphragm mics. Personally LOVE playing around with my Blue Ember and its crazy proximity effect.

  • @Alexandra-Rex
    @Alexandra-Rex Před 4 lety +137

    So the lesson is: Do some research first. The channels Podcastage, and Booth Junkie, are excellent places to go.

    • @iqhohacs6818
      @iqhohacs6818 Před 4 lety +2

      Alex R E Great channels with in-depth reviews for microphones

    • @stansteez
      @stansteez Před 4 lety

      Yup. Gearslutz.com ftw

    • @markusr3259
      @markusr3259 Před 4 lety +2

      Curtis Judd too.

    • @maxzett
      @maxzett Před 4 lety +7

      He should just learn how to speak into the SM7B.
      He needs to be way closer

    • @george_KC1TQF
      @george_KC1TQF Před 4 lety +2

      I second this statement. Both of those channels are very good for research purposes. Podcastage is pretty funny in his intros too.

  • @BasicFilmmaker
    @BasicFilmmaker Před 4 lety +120

    🤦 Sigh. The SM-7B is a mic that is properly used close to the mouth - inches away. This is like taking a shotgun mic and placing it on top of your camera and talking from 6-8 feet away, and saying it is not a good microphone - no mic (camera, light, screwdriver, etc.) will work well when it's being used improperly.

    • @wm1573
      @wm1573 Před 2 lety

      All the streamers are buying this mic these days and they keep it so fucking far.. shows you that people just buy whats popular and do zero research

  • @flowscreation3741
    @flowscreation3741 Před 4 lety +273

    Musicians, this is the best mic you will ever purchase at the price. He is using this mic completely wrong.

    • @Leonidas909
      @Leonidas909 Před 4 lety +16

      Please don't listen to that, this is purely subjective and situation based. The SM7B is proximity low sensivity mic, unless you plan on screaming into it or puting it inside a bass drum I don't see why you'd use it. There's of course the huge headroom before saturation that's cool in broadcast when you have thousands of $ in outboard gear to control the SM7B level without noise and distorsion but this is besides the point.

    • @saturnGEEK
      @saturnGEEK Před 4 lety +10

      This is not a good microphone for musicians. SM57 or SM58 is a much better microphone for musicians.

    • @eliaskyparissis4326
      @eliaskyparissis4326 Před 4 lety +25

      @@saturnGEEK you clearly dont know what you are talking about. Im a musician and have used all of those 3 mics and plenty more. You could record just about anything with the SM7B. Would not use on drums overheads but its suitable for anything other than that. The SM7B is all you really need. Electric guitars, kicks, snares, vocals you name it..

    • @Leonidas909
      @Leonidas909 Před 4 lety +6

      @@saturnGEEK if you're talking about live sound then yes they're dope, but for studio sound they're kinda trash especially in the high frequencies

    • @comrade_marv
      @comrade_marv Před 4 lety +1

      @@Leonidas909 you don't have to spend thousands of dollars on on board gear. A flathead does the job just fine.

  • @marcusnoehren3666
    @marcusnoehren3666 Před 4 lety +320

    Jay: take all the advice you are getting here, play with it, and do a follow up video. Tell everbody what you learned. I believe that would be really interesting.
    Why not even go the extra step and contact some other content creators who specialize in this type of area (sound, stream tech etc), and you both do a cross-over video for both channels.

    • @MNolanMillar
      @MNolanMillar Před 4 lety +1

      Great idea. I hope he sees it.

    • @pmAdministrator
      @pmAdministrator Před 4 lety +2

      Yea right. Did you not listen to what he said at all? Sounded like he already did all that work and this is the summary.
      Seem like you didn't understand that he now has what he needs, and he mentioned he wasted money already.

    • @pedrosilvamusician
      @pedrosilvamusician Před 4 lety

      @@pmAdministrator The title of the video says it all, he knows he wasted money to get that sound, but it's the sound he wanted, not what he needed, since the blue yeti was more than enough for his needs

    • @Denada246Z
      @Denada246Z Před 4 lety

      HA! Now I read the comments below mine and I see references to Audient, MOTU, etc! I was trying to stay away from talking about gear really irrelevant to the scope of Jay's video, but sure, the Neumann mic, my beloved SPL outboard processors, the RNC that delivers sound quality 4x it's price, all the tube stuff... they'll have to pry it out of my cold dead arms. Again, irrelevant to this discussion in my mind. I'm still going to assume the average subscriber/viewer of Jay's channel doesn't have collectable pre-amps/channel strips(!) U guys need to hop back over to ProSoundWeb/Gearslutz/SOS/etc. ;-p It's awesome that OBS decided to support VST v2 or v3 plugins, I mean I use an Elgato 4k HDR with SLOBS right now for messing around with my PC sims/rig... My RELUCTANT 1st AMD CPU in 15+ years... I'm having fun with the Ryzen stuff :-o It's not Type 1 Hypervisor/VM server stuff, but it hasn't melted down like Chernobyl YET & with an RTX, it's currently smoking a dual 8800GTX SLI antique that cost probably twice as much, and had RAID arrays LMAO. I dunno if Jay did a video on trying using one current PC to run high end sims, and OBS on the same machine... it works, but I'm sticking with distributed computing :-)

    • @charl-johnduplessis9034
      @charl-johnduplessis9034 Před 4 lety

      Great idea... give that man a Bell's

  • @zDerezzed
    @zDerezzed Před 4 lety +931

    Jay, I'll be honest. As a sound tech I came in here prepared to absolutely blast you for calling the SM7B a waste of money. As other's have said, you have to eat that mic. The wind screen should be touching your mouth and pointed directly at your mouth, not at an angle. The SM7B has a cardioid polar pattern. It has decent rejection from the sides so therefore you need that mic touching your lips and pointed directly at your mouth. This whole video can be chalked up to user error. You look at Joe Rogan who also uses the SM7B, he is eating that mic the whole time, you have to. Also, the Scarlett Focusrite is the go-to for a reason. All you needed is the mic, cloudlifter, and Focusrite preamp, you just didn't use them properly.

    • @sebiieex
      @sebiieex Před 4 lety +14

      zDerezzed go off

    • @Nososhea
      @Nososhea Před 4 lety +108

      I work as a live sound engineer, I also came here to say the exact same!

    • @AbsolutEden
      @AbsolutEden Před 4 lety +51

      Sound tech also, user error. This is not a mic for cheap built-in preamps.

    • @illgottengains1314
      @illgottengains1314 Před 4 lety +3

      Great choice of EQ tho 👀

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce Před 4 lety +3

      This... It is not a shogun mic, though saying that a Shotgun would be good for streaming also.
      RODE VideoMic Pro+ or NTG4+.

  • @happydudesbeingfun8842
    @happydudesbeingfun8842 Před 4 lety +236

    “This sm7b sounds terrible” as he is a foot and a half away from it. Knows ‘tech’, but not audio tech smh

    • @jamesshort6856
      @jamesshort6856 Před 4 lety

      The sm7b is actually renound to be a quiet mic, so normally you would need a lifter or a high end preamp

    • @kalijasin
      @kalijasin Před 4 lety +8

      @DrOshawott, right. Knowing computers and technology in general is NOT the same as having knowledge of computer audio and audio setups.

    • @CookieAsArrow
      @CookieAsArrow Před 4 lety +2

      @@kalijasin Yeah, knowing technology in general and focusing in computers is not the same as specialising in audio or camera stuff or any of the thousands of other technology fields, that's why linus for example hired camera people with experience. Most tech channels usually don't pretend to know much about something outside of their field of expertise, as long as they do that, everything is fine.

    • @moristar
      @moristar Před 4 lety +1

      It still sounds better than Yeti to me. I love Blue mics, but come on...

  • @trevorisnotcool6235
    @trevorisnotcool6235 Před 4 lety +98

    As a producer I always love to see the weird ass audio setups youtubers end up with lol.

    • @A7mad.
      @A7mad. Před 2 lety

      what's the good interface for sm7b? please help before I turn it back , 2 days searching and cant find answer

    • @TheBlackTroll
      @TheBlackTroll Před 2 lety

      @@A7mad. goxlr (get the goxlr mini if you are looking for a cheaper version with less features)

    • @rikinotdeath
      @rikinotdeath Před 2 lety

      @@A7mad. get a cl1 or a fethead

    • @jedenzet
      @jedenzet Před rokem

      @@A7mad. 100% wavexlr for any type of live content. It works good as a recording as well but it has only one input. You can watch Podcastage and Julian Krause on this subject.

  • @myname7021
    @myname7021 Před 4 lety +157

    1.) it is a dynamic mic, you will need to have the mic literally in your face. That is what it is designed for. If you want to have a mic that is further away from you, then buy a condenser mic.
    2.) 2min of research let's you know that the SM7b needs lots of gain, which can often be an issue with dynamic mics in general when used for low volume sources - such as speech, acoustic guitar e.t.c.
    3.) Don't buy cheap crappy gear expecting it to improve quality of expensive high-end gear...

    • @Aberusugi
      @Aberusugi Před 4 lety +3

      For number 2, he said he bought and is using a cloudlifter for the gain issue. Which is commonly what engineers suggest for the SM7B anyways.

    • @sam-dn9hr
      @sam-dn9hr Před 4 lety +2

      I agree with you 100% Cant believe someone of Jays intelligence would pair a $400 microphone with a $80 worst on the market interface!

    • @Gamekanaal-net
      @Gamekanaal-net Před 4 lety +1

      Basicly he needs a cloud lifter

    • @myname7021
      @myname7021 Před 4 lety

      @@Aberusugi That is a perfectly fine solution if you already own preamps which do not have the headroom for an SM7B. But the point I want to make is that he found out that this is a problem after he had already bought one of the cheapest audio-interfaces on the market, and then blames the microphone for not meeting his expectations...

    • @LunchboxDOTinc
      @LunchboxDOTinc Před 4 lety +2

      don't forget, throwing 9db of eq @20hz will solve everything... EQ fixes everything!! hell throw another 6db of both "bass" and "treble" gain at it on the mixer too... that will will fix the short comings of this terrible, terrible Mic....
      i wonder if he has the bass cut circuit on the SM7b switched on at the same time...? lol

  • @MaxdFunk
    @MaxdFunk Před 4 lety +45

    F to pay respects to all audio people shaking right now

  • @ronnieryanpc
    @ronnieryanpc Před 3 lety +7

    11 months later this got recommended to me and it immediately, immediately reminded me of the Verge PC build guide guy

  • @Mebzy
    @Mebzy Před 4 lety +40

    "Keep it about a fist from your mouth" -Joe Rogan

    • @MrJesseforsell
      @MrJesseforsell Před 4 lety +5

      @Michael Hansen well Joe rogan uses that exact mic and it sounds good on his podcast at about a fist away from his face

    • @komarms3465
      @komarms3465 Před 4 lety +4

      Michael Hansen other way around chief

  • @crazybigball82
    @crazybigball82 Před 4 lety +96

    You gotta eat that mic! Don't treat it like a condenser. EAT IT!

  • @MrTimdog1985
    @MrTimdog1985 Před 4 lety +324

    I'm a music producer (yes you can touch me) and have recorded plenty of vocals with a wide array of mics, and to me, the Shure sounds head and shoulders above that USB one. The gain structure is off because you need to be speaking far closer to it. You know how Joe Rogen is always telling people to get in close to the mic? That close. It's so much warmer and nuanced, especially for your voice. I'd actually bring those low-mids down a touch if you want some more presence, plus get a high pass filter control those subs (especially on the Yeti). Plus you can hear the Blue Yeti overload the moment you get too close or do anything vaguely dynamic. There's a whole condenser rabbit hole you can go down too if you like. Obviously, there's some subjectivity to this, but really it sounds night and day to me. If you've got the money, which I'm sure JayzTwoCents Ltd does, it's well worth it.

    • @oven2066
      @oven2066 Před 4 lety +18

      I don't think his point was that the sound quality is bad. The point seemed to be the amount of time and money and effort invested in this setup, vs a USB mic setup with "good enough" quality that isn't going to set you back nearly four figures, means it's just not economical for his usage.

    • @xenonram
      @xenonram Před 4 lety +10

      99% of people can't hear a difference, or can only hear a difference when alternating between the two, like he did in the video. And most people also don't care one bit. There are a lot of people that want to act like they care, or act like there is "night and day difference," just like the headphone guys. (Not talking specifically about you.) It's a CZcams video, or even less importantly, a gaming stream. There's way too much wanketry going on. The amount of people in the comments talking about mics they use, or mics they want to buy, is astounding. Most have 3 people watching their videos/streams, and none of this matters.

    • @MrTimdog1985
      @MrTimdog1985 Před 4 lety +10

      @@oven2066 Well then he "shure" did make a mistake then! Haha.
      If he just spoke closer to the mic most of those problems would go away, he wouldn't need to double boost the gain, and getting close to the mic ups the bass and presence so he probably wouldn't need to eq either.

    • @oftankoftan
      @oftankoftan Před 4 lety

      what's the name of the model you're talking about?

    • @MrTimdog1985
      @MrTimdog1985 Před 4 lety +12

      @@xenonram For 99% of people I would totally agree, and obviously, Jay can make up his mind about his own use case. But if you want that "professional" sound, the Shure is the way to go.
      Audio is a strange one, because although you're right that most people can't explicitly tell the difference, we're all conditioned to pick up audio quality cues at a subconscious level. Really interesting side of music psychology.

  • @Moove_Studio
    @Moove_Studio Před 4 lety +69

    I find it interesting that Jay said it himself: This mic is used worldwide in major studios and national radio stations creating amazing results. So why question and bash the quality OF THE MIC instead of thinking - "maybe it's a user error?" o.O
    It seems a bit naive IMO and surprises me coming from Jay.

  • @flo4650
    @flo4650 Před 4 lety +8

    The SM7-B is really great and as some other people said, the proximity makes the warm tone.

  • @schwarzerrogen930
    @schwarzerrogen930 Před 4 lety +134

    One thing to keep in mind when using the SM7b is that it's 'classic's sound is making use of the proximity effect that is inherent to all cardioid mics; you need to pretty much be on top of it to get that rich low end and midrange 'bite'

    • @BerkmanLord
      @BerkmanLord Před 4 lety +17

      Came here to say that. It's mind boggling how people who shop for high end mics miss out on this elementary info.

    • @Haddleton
      @Haddleton Před 4 lety +5

      Exactly - plus, it's a dynamic mic when the yeti is a condenser, only enhancing the required proximity factor. I have an AT2020 xlr hooked up to a Scarlett Solo, and it works great at Jay's proximity because it's condenser.

    • @Awkward_Fox
      @Awkward_Fox Před 4 lety +3

      When I was trained to do audio at my old church, it was drilled in to us that we need to ensure that anyone using the mics were "eating the mic" so that they would be picked up properly
      And the amount of people who are used to condenser mics is insane... Makes me happy that I know what the old style of mics are like!

    • @DoesNotInhale
      @DoesNotInhale Před 4 lety +1

      Don't expect a boomer to research anything

    • @KevinMurray242
      @KevinMurray242 Před 4 lety +1

      It's been 20 years, but when I was studying Radio Broadcasting, to get the best sound out of our (admittedly cheap) mics, I found that i basically had to have my Moustache just millimetres from the mic.

  • @phfatband
    @phfatband Před 4 lety +309

    The closest analogy I can think of for what you've done here is buy a sports car chassis, plonked in a lawnmower engine, screwed on some biscuit wheels and gone "man this car drives like cr@p"
    It is literally the mic that Michael Jackson used for his lead vocal on thriller. It SH!TS on that blue POS.
    I've been a Sound Engineer for years and unfortunately you did a lot wrong to come to your conclusions.
    (and I say this as a big fan of your other videos).
    Please don't give up on the sm7b
    1: The sm7b likes to be eaten. 1-5 inches away and speaking directly into it. It's a cardoid mic which has a beautiful proximity effect (Ie. it adds low end/bass as you get closer)
    Most people using an sm7b are wearing headphones and this helps them to hear themselves 'feel' where they are in terms of the low end response
    2: Your eq setting was horrrrible. I don't know an engineer on planet earth who would add low end to an sm7b like that. If anything people would do a slight lower mid-range cut (160-320hz) and do a broad boost the upper mids (1-4khz).
    3: The SM7b is NOTORIOUS for being gain hungry. Generally needing around 55db of gain to be useable. You don't get that sort of gain cleanly enough out of an entry level, all in one interface. Most radio guys and the big podcasters and radio stations are using a microphone pre amp that costs upwards of 1000$ a channel, and those channels are connected to other bits that cost much more. Now, you don't need that to get there for your uses maybe. But you do need a decent pre amplifier that costs at least as much as the sm7b per channel.
    4: You've completely ignored dynamic compression. Also a huge part of the radio sound.
    In all, unfortunately once you get to the more professional side of sound, costs rise exponentially (and the sm7b is considered a bargain in the sound world!).

    • @erikheijden9828
      @erikheijden9828 Před 4 lety +25

      I also get bored in quarantine

    • @joshuamckown3145
      @joshuamckown3145 Před 4 lety +29

      +1000 this post. Pro audio is not something you just start doing by plugging in crap you got from Amazon in whatever order it occurs to you. If you don't know what you're doing and don't seek the help of someone who does, it will (1) be very expensive and (2) not sound any good and (3) be entirely your own fault.

    • @phfatband
      @phfatband Před 4 lety +9

      @@erikheijden9828 hahaha You better believeit . Bored... AND PASSIONATE GOOD AUDIO DAMMIT.

    • @TheAcorn96
      @TheAcorn96 Před 4 lety +14

      PHFAT Wish I could upvote this 10 times!! Just a common case of not knowing what you're doing. Combo-ing a, not necessarily "high end" microphone, but a fantastic sounding mic with budget and entry level equipment is just simply a bottleneck.

    • @udfbino
      @udfbino Před 4 lety +2

      your comparison with the car is so spot on,it made my morning coffee taste better

  • @AmusementMachine
    @AmusementMachine Před 4 lety +15

    Jay, I've watched your content for years, but I have to put my own two cents in on this one.
    Everyone else has already touched on the major things here, mic distance (I keep my SM7B about 2-3 inches from my mouth), choice of gear, etc.
    I've been saying for a long time that condenser mics like the yeti are a poor choice for livestreaming. They're more sensetive by design, picking up background noise much easier, as well as catching room reflections of your voice, giving a "ringy" or "roomy" kind of tone in an untreated space. They're designed for use in treated studio environments, and are excellent for that. I would personally use an SM58 with a low end USB interface before ever considering one of my condenser mics in close proximity to a mechanical keyboard, mouse, PC fans, and AC unit. Condensers are by far cheaper, and more accessible, but marketed way too hard at the gaming and livestreaming crowd. If I had a treated room, a condenser might find its way into my setup, but for most people's situation, a decent dynamic mic is always the better choice.

  • @AdiPurdila
    @AdiPurdila Před 4 lety

    Thank you for your honesty Jay! And sorry your sound setup didn't really go as planned.

  • @zakkbeard
    @zakkbeard Před 4 lety +186

    Jay, sounds like you had the pad enabled on it. Also useful to have some pretty beefy compression on the SM7 on the way into digital conversion.
    Also, watch how people typically use an SM7B. That mic is meant to be used UP CLOSE. The weird bass response you're seeing on that thing raw comes from you not being up close enough and not compressed.

    • @sheaz1435
      @sheaz1435 Před 4 lety +9

      agreed. There's also an EQ on the back of the mic....

    • @chdrummer
      @chdrummer Před 4 lety +5

      I doubt he had the pad on. The sm7b needs more gain to drive it than the scarlett solo preamp will have. Most people using a mic that like will have an external preamp to give it all the gain it needs. Been using a sm7b for 10 years. Entry grade interfaces like he has just don't have enough clean gain to push it properly.

    • @NicD5150
      @NicD5150 Před 4 lety +1

      Nah, an USB bus-powered interface just won't have enough juice to gain up the SM7B. Even with a Cloudlifter. It would be exactly the same with a ribbon mic.

    • @danielgaudet6114
      @danielgaudet6114 Před 4 lety

      @@NicD5150 Not necessarily all USB bus-powered interfaces, but I'll say most low-cost USB interfaces won't have good enough pre-amps that can push 65db of clean gain. That being said, I usually use a CloudLifter or a FetHead with an SM7b to get some more headroom just in case.

    • @tawlney
      @tawlney Před 4 lety

      As someone with a ribbon mic for his gaming setup a USB preamp is all I needed. Granted, it's a little cheap and I wouldn't recommend the usb interface I have to anyone but the gain on it is fine. But that might be one of the properties of the sE Electronics x1r. (it's a stupid name I know) I've also used a cloudlifter with it and both work fine on it. But that probably comes with the territory of a passive ribbon mic I guess.

  • @evanbelcher
    @evanbelcher Před 4 lety +49

    I know others are already saying this, but it just hurts me. "Eat the mic" is a saying for a reason. You're waaay too far from the sm7b to get the sound you're looking for out of the box

    • @mogwix
      @mogwix Před 4 lety +3

      You're absolutely right, but I think it only looks that way from the wide camera angle. I'm within about an inch of the SM7B but on camera it looks to be off to the side.

  • @LoveMeBack
    @LoveMeBack Před 4 lety +10

    “You have to eat that mic” is (one of) the best comment ever. Never heard of it before.

  • @cassiothird
    @cassiothird Před 4 lety +2

    I think the warm tone effect you're looking for is in part thanks to the proximity effect so you need to have the mic a lot closer to get it (without EQ).

  • @LiraeNoir
    @LiraeNoir Před 4 lety +155

    Buy (by mistake) the right microphone for the job. Pair it with one of the cheapest interface around. Grumble. And worst of it, doesn't frickin learn how to use it.
    As it's been said a lot in other comment, the mic (like 99.999999% of microphones, by the way) needs to be CLOSE to your mouth. The distance from your lav to your mouth is already very much pushing it, for a dynamic mic for example.
    As for the tone of voice, the SM7B is a very smooth, and quite dark microphone. Unless you had an operation, I very much doubt you'll need more low end through EQ.
    Learn to use the gear, before throwing more money at it. And before complaining.
    Let me put it in terms you may understand easier: you bought a Ryzen 3900X for your gaming pc. And your paired it with a GTX 1050. And since it wasn't fast enough, you got an upgrade and a X570 motherboard for it. And since it didn't make any difference, you added an Optane drive because everyone knows Optane is fast. That's what you did for audio.

    • @kyleconklin1472
      @kyleconklin1472 Před 4 lety +10

      I love it when these mainstream tech tuber who dedicate so much time to their builds and gear still make terrible decisions especially when it comes to audio. It took Linus Media Group YEARS to get a true set of converters, preamps, compressors, and mic for their WAN show broadcasts, and their audio is still terrible. However it is nice that they are using hardware limiters now so when linus screams it keeps it under deafening clipping levels.

    • @LiraeNoir
      @LiraeNoir Před 4 lety +5

      @@kyleconklin1472 Well the thing is, it shine the rest of it in a new light. If someone can say something stupid with authority on one subject you happened to know and recognize the bullshit, how can you trust them to be good source for other subjects you personally don't know as much?
      I know, audio is hard. If you think there are a lot of subjectivity and tribalism and fan boy wars in PC gaming, you've seen *nothing* until you tiptoe into audio. But still, here we're talking about _extremely_ basic stuff.

    • @patricktho6546
      @patricktho6546 Před 4 lety +3

      @@kyleconklin1472
      LMG has done also a mistake regarding their "Red" Cameras. Corridor did a good job of explaining, what they did wrong.

    • @featheredpaws671
      @featheredpaws671 Před 4 lety +2

      and the worst part is he is telling everyone that these products are just a waste of money?

    • @thomasr7129
      @thomasr7129 Před 4 lety

      @@featheredpaws671 - wasted for his use.

  • @JRaze
    @JRaze Před 4 lety +131

    Things to mention:
    SM7B is generally used from an inch away to get that nice smooth proximity effect... helps achieve a warm sound.
    GoXLR Mini could have handled the SM7B in terms of gain needed and also provided EQ, compression, gating... for $250
    Using the SM7B is useful for many over the Blue Yeti because it is a dynamic mic. Dynamic mics are less sensitive and reject noise better picking up less fan noise, reverb, and anything else you can think of. I did notice a hiss or fans coming through the background music which could have been avoided using a dynamic mic.
    With that being said, there is more cost effective mics out there but the SM7B is hard to go wrong with. Might be too dark for certain voices or perfect for smoothing sibilant ones.

    • @somasora7
      @somasora7 Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah, not sure why he didn't just go for the GoXLR. That plus the SM7B would've been lethal, and less expensive. The GoXLR Mini would've made it even cheaper

    • @pa693
      @pa693 Před 4 lety

      @@somasora7 i got the goxlr mini and i had to purchase now a tritonaudio fethead to gain the SM7B better... but the fethead costs prox. 70$ and not 140$ like the cloudlifter..

    • @JRaze
      @JRaze Před 4 lety

      @@pa693 what kind of distance do you have from the Mic?

    • @Alllvii
      @Alllvii Před 4 lety +1

      I bought the Go xlr mini and paired it with a Rode Podmic and I love it. i paid less then what i would with the sm7b. I played with the EQ a bit and my mic sound just like the sm7b now. Mic aside the Go XLR mini is a game changer

    • @m-tech1816
      @m-tech1816 Před 4 lety

      SM7B is too dark for certain voices? yeah i guess so, its pretty much black.. In that case the Rode Podcaster is the best, that mic is white;)

  • @sybilreichlan6117
    @sybilreichlan6117 Před 4 lety +6

    The SM7B is great for what it's meant for..... close proximity sound. It's really designed for radio and vocal performance.

  • @carbon_no6
    @carbon_no6 Před 4 lety +2

    There’s a HUGE difference between the 2.. the Shure setup sounds AMAZING! If it’s the sound you’re looking for then it’s worth it. You did great when it comes to the sound clarity with Shure!

  • @joshuamckown3145
    @joshuamckown3145 Před 4 lety +27

    1. That tone you're looking for is called proximity effect, and it starts kicking in about three inches away from the mic, maximum.
    2. You cannot achieve what you're looking for by just throwing a mic at the problem. You need proper preamplification. The mistake wasn't buying that particular mic, it was attempting a professional microphone setup while knowing nothing about pro audio.
    3. You should be cutting EQ bands rather than boosting. Take that curve you've made and move it all below the 0 dB mark. It's not a volume knob, for pity's sake.

    • @thisen1146
      @thisen1146 Před 4 lety

      I was about to make a rage filled comment. Thank you for your restraint.

  • @crowdx422
    @crowdx422 Před 4 lety +40

    This is a case of, you should have asked someone how to use the SM7b before buying additional stuff.

    • @Mateusz143
      @Mateusz143 Před 4 lety

      one throws money at their own lack of knowledge...if they have any

  • @KuyaMagik
    @KuyaMagik Před 10 měsíci

    Do you use the 48v Phantom power from the Scarlett or from the Yamaha? to power your SM7B

    • @ComixProductions
      @ComixProductions Před 8 měsíci +1

      You don't need to power up the Shure sm7b with phantom power

  • @VanScott69
    @VanScott69 Před 4 lety

    Hey Jay, this was a great video to put out. A lot of people, like myself, have or are pondering new mics. Some would go the route you did with the "gotta have it" and end up spending far more money than their true budget allows. Or like me, I now know that the mics I've been looking at in the $100 range will give me the sound quality I'm looking for.

  • @Kblender798
    @Kblender798 Před 4 lety +114

    What you're referring to when you're comparing the Shure to the "radio" sound is proximity effect, you have to get your mic a lot closer to your face in order to boost the low end of your voice, without using EQ.
    A lot of streamers or content peeps don't speak directly into the mic when recording, and these professional mics operate best when the presenter is talking on axis to the mic capsule.
    I work in radio and we use the Sennheiser MD 421 mics in our A studio. By using the proximity effect to your advantage and adding compression as well, this setup will sound very decent. Compression is another tool I would highly recommend you use.
    Another issue could also be the Solo interface. Even with the Cloudlifter, sometimes it's just not enough gain to drive the mic, even with other dynamic mics like the RE20. Something like the new MOTU M2 would have been a better choice to pair with the Cloudlifter in this scenario.
    It makes me sad when others have an audio related issue :(

    • @tiresomeandy507
      @tiresomeandy507 Před 4 lety +6

      hence why Joe Rogan (who I believe uses these mics) is constantly badgering his guest to put the mic closer to their face.

    • @JohnM-og5rt
      @JohnM-og5rt Před 4 lety +6

      I hope he sees this. As an audio engineer this video was kinda hard to watch...

    • @masterseanwit3594
      @masterseanwit3594 Před 4 lety

      @@JohnM-og5rt This is exactly what I was thinking. How are you holding up with events being canceled btw?

    • @alexr.8397
      @alexr.8397 Před 4 lety +1

      I cannot wait to get myself a Motu m2

    • @AlexValliMusic
      @AlexValliMusic Před 4 lety +1

      An MD 421 in Radio? Interesting. I've never heard the MD 421 used in Radio applications. Usually, it is the SM7B or RE20. In my home studio, I do vocal recording for local rappers and I'm trying to get actual bands to come through, but I've got some pretty high-end stuff, although my level of clientele isn't equivalent to the gear I have lol. I've got a Mojave MA-300 in my ISOVOX right now that I use as my primary vocal mic and if that doesn't work for the particular singer then I switch to my Neumann TLM 102. I run through a Heritage Audio HA73EQ -> Golden Age Projects Comp 3A -> Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen. Decent setup for sure.

  • @Elwon20
    @Elwon20 Před 4 lety +193

    Several points to make here: Would loved to have heard you do some typing and mouse clicking and stuff... That Yeti will pic up everything in the room you don't want it to. The dynamic mic shouldn't.
    Also you should deffo be closer to both of them especially the Shure.
    Thirdly,... The Shure still sounds way better even when playing this video through crappy phone speakers.

    • @LiraeNoir
      @LiraeNoir Před 4 lety +9

      HEll, the Yeti as most condensers will probably pick up noisy kids and dogs the floor below. A condenser mic is, most of the time, destined to a studio. A room in a residential house or an office isn't a studio.

    • @jboo8966
      @jboo8966 Před 4 lety +4

      I don't have this problem with my Yeti. /shrug

    • @gamerbidd
      @gamerbidd Před 4 lety +7

      But that's why you use a noise gate, to prevent any background noise that you don't want being picked up from being picked up. I use a Blue Snowball on a scissor arm... which is half the price of the Yeti and in my opinion, just as good. Add the noise gate, a small amount of noise suppression, a small amount of volume compression and an EQ to get the tone you want... you're onto a complete winner! For $70 all in! (or in my case, £70)

    • @sanjacobs6261
      @sanjacobs6261 Před 4 lety +2

      Not if he doesn't move it as close as everyone is telling him to.
      Dynamic microphones don't reject background sounds better than condensers, they're just more often used close up, giving a better signal to noise ratio. Which means the yeti would also reject equally well if he used it closer up.

    • @ghty56222
      @ghty56222 Před 4 lety +3

      my friend has a yeti and i fkn hate it. i can hear his neighbour 4 houses away close a door. its so fkn annoying for gaming

  • @griffonklassen4328
    @griffonklassen4328 Před 4 lety

    Man I’ve watched you for a long ass time now since I was a little kid only dreaming about having a computer that could run a game at 40 FPS lol, anyways. I’m very glad to see how much happier and healthier you’ve become. Keep on keepin on jay !

  • @johndomulot1431
    @johndomulot1431 Před 4 lety +35

    blah...blah..blah, as a sound engineer, to get the sound you're looking for you need to be right up on the mic, as some have already mentioned the proximity effect (closer you get the increase of low frequency response), also unlike most dynamic mics the capsule for the SM7B is further away then most dynamic mics hence why u need to eat the mic, giving it that legendary sound we all look for. Anyway that was my two cents there's tons more id like to say but I'm shure other people are on to it, keep up the content!

    • @FelipeVinhalMus
      @FelipeVinhalMus Před 4 lety

      So, even being super close to my sm7b I dont have much gain. My interface is the Behringer UMC202HD. What do I need to do to improve the sound? Thanks

  • @benjaminmellingen5340
    @benjaminmellingen5340 Před 4 lety +30

    with any dynamic microphone you are going to experience a pretty substantial amount of proximity effect. The closer you are to the microphone the fuller and "boomier" the audio is going to appear. Even moving more than an inch will change the way the audio sounds in many cases.
    Going with a professional solution to any problem is going to demand a certain amount of knowledge and experience to get it to work properly. Now that you have this wonderful microphone you will on the bright side never need another and it can take anything you throw at it, you can also sell it as the there will always be someone drooling for a shure microphone :)

    • @LS-oh8kv
      @LS-oh8kv Před 4 lety +1

      It’s a great mic but it definitely has areas where it just can’t keep up with other better mics though. For example recording the ambient sound of a room (like two people talking) this mic will never do well. Or recording any music other than vocals. It’s a great mic which is why I have one as well, but it’ll certainly never take “everything you can throw at it”
      Using that mic for anything is like only having a flathead screwdriver because you can make it work in both flathead screws and Phillips screws. Sure it will technically work but it’ll do a terrible job at things it wasn’t meant to do.

    • @Malc180s
      @Malc180s Před 4 lety +2

      @@LS-oh8kv That's certainly not it "not keeping up". You want the ambient bright sound of a room go buy the cheapest condenser on sale.

    • @LS-oh8kv
      @LS-oh8kv Před 4 lety +1

      Malc180s When I say that I mean it sounds like you’re in the room with them rather than them whispering in your ear ASMR style. Rhett and Link use condenser mics in the exact way I talk about and their sound quality is excellent. The shure SM7B is a specific use case mic. It is not a “go everywhere do everything” mic. End of story.

    • @MikesBasementx
      @MikesBasementx Před 4 lety +1

      That goes for many condenser mics as well.

  • @ryancox2134
    @ryancox2134 Před 4 lety +8

    This just sounds like a lack of microphone proximity effect combined with a cheap preamp that doesn't have enough juice for the sm7b. It doesn't make a lot of sense to expect a $400 mic going into a $100 interface to sound absolutely incredible. It also just sounds like Jay doesn't quite know how dynamic microphones differ from condensers.
    I would also recommend that if you can use VST plug-ins with OBS, add a compression plug-in and it will help you greatly. As a sound engineer, I almost always use a compressor with a dynamic when vocals are involved.

  • @root9065
    @root9065 Před 4 lety +46

    Turns out Jay's two cents are worth exactly that.

  • @jpjdo1212
    @jpjdo1212 Před 4 lety +1

    I think that buttery warm tone you're looking for is mostly proximity effect. an inherent phenomena with cardioid microphones. From my personal experience using the Sm7B recording artists and such the sweet spot is usually around 3 to 4 fingers away from the top of the mic. Hope this helps!!
    By the way just for some cred. i'm a recording and mixing enginee. Love your videos!

  • @RickWoody
    @RickWoody Před 4 lety +99

    Isn’t the SM7B notorious for having low output? I think you need to be a lot closer to the mic.

    • @markusr3259
      @markusr3259 Před 4 lety +5

      Very low output. Upwards of 65dB gain needed.

    • @felixklimm7225
      @felixklimm7225 Před 4 lety +5

      That's what the Cloudlifter is for

    • @markusr3259
      @markusr3259 Před 4 lety +12

      @@felixklimm7225 Yes and no. The cloudlifter will give you the gain, but you still want to be really up close to the mic to bring out its desired characteristics.

    • @RickWoody
      @RickWoody Před 4 lety +8

      Felix Klimm Still is a dynamic mic. You‘ll need to speak directly into it. Boosting the crappy signal a dynamic mic will pick up from more than a foot away won’t make it a condenser mic.

    • @KennethACrashwaggonMusic
      @KennethACrashwaggonMusic Před 4 lety +2

      Yep. A Cloudlifter or a good external preamp is absolutely necessary. Mostly because most budget audio interfaces just don't have enough juice for it.

  • @zellers4
    @zellers4 Před 4 lety +18

    I personally use the SM7B for my home streaming setup and love it. I have the SM7B running to a Cloud Lifter and then into my scarlett 2i2. (also remember you can change the way the mic sounds with the tabs on the back, alot of people forget to make adjustments according to their wants. I made my a little bit brighter sounding by changing the one slider. It really does help) Makes for a phenominal setup. I sit right on top of the microphone as well like 1/2 the time im touching the mics spit guard. Its a great mic just gotta get into the mic itself. Its annoying at first but its the correct way to use it.

  • @Whisper555
    @Whisper555 Před 4 lety +5

    Hey JayzTwoCents
    I actually prefer that "clip on mic" sound at the start than all those other mics for what CZcams actually finally outputs

    • @caitlinomalley80
      @caitlinomalley80 Před 4 lety

      I do too, and that lav mic cost far less then the shure did.

    • @ReivecS
      @ReivecS Před 4 lety

      I use a $10-15 sony clip-on mic and run it through a dedicated sound card and get much better sound on it than I do with a Yeti or more expensive mics I have tried. Granted I haven't dropped serious money on a sound setup but the clip-ons can be quite good.

  • @gizhaz77
    @gizhaz77 Před 4 lety +1

    When he said Alesis Multimix, I took in a sharp gasp. I have an Alesis Multimix FX-6 hooked up to an MXL 770. Beautiful setup, and i've had it for years. It sounds AMAZING!

  • @TheSengard
    @TheSengard Před 4 lety +40

    One lesson to learn: Inform yourself about the right application and how to use it, before you buy expensive gear.

  • @supermario2100
    @supermario2100 Před 4 lety +109

    "Because I'm stubborn"
    Ah, that explains so much.
    Also even EQ'd, the Yeti had a certain boxyness in the mids that made it sound way less smooth than the SM7B to my ears.

    • @KryssN1
      @KryssN1 Před 4 lety +6

      It sounded robotic in headphones, but ok in comparison.
      I fault bad EQ by Jay, you are supposed to do subtractive EQ and only add EQ a little bit to complement your voice.
      You would add software subtractive EQ, gating, compression, limiters, de-esser to Yeti and it could get close in post-processing or Live with VST plugins but with delay and good CPU for low buffer.

    • @Jayztwocents
      @Jayztwocents  Před 4 lety +13

      @@KryssN1 Im still learning :)

    • @KryssN1
      @KryssN1 Před 4 lety +3

      @@Jayztwocents
      Haha, we all are, didn't meant to be rude just funny :P
      God bless :D

    • @vintageyamahasquid
      @vintageyamahasquid Před 4 lety +3

      @@Jayztwocents No Jay! You have to get everything exactly right the first time! It's perfection or nothing. God, it's almost like you are human or something. To be more serious though; For me learning is half the fun. I have more fun screwing around with a product and learning how to use it than I do using it. Oh and the SM7B sounds way better by the way.

  • @dharvell
    @dharvell Před 3 lety +47

    Rule of thumb: if a product works great for literally everybody, but doesn't work for you, it's probably that you're doing something incorrectly.

    • @Nathansomething
      @Nathansomething Před 2 lety +1

      Na.

    • @Latzi
      @Latzi Před 2 lety +5

      @@Nathansomething yes it is. He clearly uses it wrong. Who tf talks into a sm7b as a shotgun mic? OMEGALUL

  • @joshwall2398
    @joshwall2398 Před 4 lety +10

    Hey,
    Ban drew has created a podcast episode (BSB-212) with great information!

  • @IceeFanta
    @IceeFanta Před 4 lety +95

    I changed the comment so people don’t know what I originally said.

    • @rickyrigatoni
      @rickyrigatoni Před 4 lety +5

      i am a mathemagician and there can be as many firsts as you please if you can contain them.

    • @stronkde
      @stronkde Před 4 lety +2

      Schrodinger does and doesn't agree with this statement

    • @wil-fri
      @wil-fri Před 4 lety

      @@rickyrigatoni in an array

    • @joetowers4804
      @joetowers4804 Před 4 lety +4

      Depends on what girl you ask.

    • @WookieWarriorz
      @WookieWarriorz Před 4 lety +1

      than*

  • @solidstatealchemy9080
    @solidstatealchemy9080 Před 4 lety

    Thanks so much for making this video! My channel is definitely A/V quality challenged right now, but thanks to some smart purchases I've been able to slowly up the quality of my vids (which isn't saying much). I went with a Samson G-track Pro that I bought used and I got a Rode mic arm (like the one in your vid) at an in person auction for $20 (new in box). That would be my biggest tip to those it's an option for (once all this COVID stuff passes) is find a brick and mortar auction house and watch their upcoming auction listing for A/V equipment. I got lights, stands, and a UWQHD monitor for pennies on the dollar.

  • @CNC-Time-Lapse
    @CNC-Time-Lapse Před 4 lety

    I use the Blue Blackout Spark XL ($199) with a Yahama MG10XU ($199) connect to the Rode PSA1 arm and I love the setup. Warm sound with nice tonal base. I use to have the Blue Icicle XLR to USB but needed a way to monitor the audio over XLR since there is about a 200ms delay over USB. Glad I chose the MG10XU for monitoring and power. Gives me options I need with room to add more mics as I build out my studio. If you're interested in having faders per channel on your mixer, I recommend the MG12XU or higher.

  • @alex-poeppel
    @alex-poeppel Před 4 lety +68

    The SM7b was good enough for Michael Jackson to sing into. He recorded "Thriller" on one.

    • @KatalistProductionsKozzySasha
      @KatalistProductionsKozzySasha Před 4 lety +9

      It is one of the best Mic's of all time

    • @itsJPhere
      @itsJPhere Před 4 lety

      @@KatalistProductionsKozzySasha For Michael Jackson.

    • @hoopthe3rd136
      @hoopthe3rd136 Před 4 lety

      Completely different scenario. But yes, it's a great mic.

    • @stunninguitars
      @stunninguitars Před 4 lety

      comparing a multi million recording studio w/ jayzTwoCents makes totally sense to me

    • @Sossingro
      @Sossingro Před 4 lety +2

      I heard the police used one when interviewing his victims too

  • @ralentinovossi8081
    @ralentinovossi8081 Před 4 lety +15

    Lol when you said you didn't wanna go cheap with the audio interface, I was expecting something really nice, and then you said Scarlett Solo

    • @thecaffineman
      @thecaffineman Před 4 lety

      Haaa! Thought the exact same thing mate.

    • @Jhakaro
      @Jhakaro Před 4 lety +2

      Yeah like Scarlett Solo isn't bad. it does its job well for most people's needs but it's just weird coming from the guy that spends like thousands on custom water cooling loops that is as he has said himself, more or less completely unnecessary. He'd never skimp out on computer parts or expect an i3 processor to be capable of intensive workstation loads so making out that like 200 or whatever for the scarlett is a lot of money when you can look out there and find ones for 3000 plus (not that you need those by ANY means for good sound) seems a bit mad. It's like going to buy an office chair and saying I didn't want to skimp out so I got one for 120 euro when proper office chairs all exceed the 300 mark at base entry level. That said though, its more than enough for his needs.

    • @MrTVintro
      @MrTVintro Před 4 lety +1

      @@Jhakaro that's the thing though. Price wise it *looks* like an i5. As a noobie looking for a mic setup you see the $50 mixers and shit and the Scarlet Solo looks like the i5 option.

  • @DjJMuna
    @DjJMuna Před 4 lety

    SM7B all day and twice on Sunday. You did go the long way around with how you got everything but that was definitely due to your lack of understanding. This video is great cause you have definitely helped folks out there for sure not make your mistakes. When you did the shoot out I played it through my phone, headphones, Bluetooth speaker and my computer and the 7B won everytime. I want to get a 7B now!! Thanksl

  • @ThriftyAV
    @ThriftyAV Před 4 lety +2

    At least one nice thing, the SM7B will hold it's value if you ever decide you don't really need it as a status symbol.

  • @UrThysis
    @UrThysis Před 4 lety +20

    Hey Jay ... i feel like you're a bit far away from the mic and we can hear the room reverb a lot .. maybe with less gain and closer to the mic it would sound better because of the proximity effect too , the closer you are to a mic the low frequencies are brought up more

    • @DerrickRG
      @DerrickRG Před 4 lety

      All that noise is covered by the gameplay anyway.

    • @LS-oh8kv
      @LS-oh8kv Před 4 lety

      SinikkaL It is covered by gameplay but that mic was designed to be less than 3 inches from your mouth to get proper sound qualify out of it. He should’ve either went with a condenser mic to have it further away, or he needs to eat the mic way more

  • @youridv
    @youridv Před 4 lety +57

    the mic you've got in your shirt sounds more natural to me than either of the other mics

    • @jorenvangoethem343
      @jorenvangoethem343 Před 4 lety +7

      He's just complaining about an awesome mic because he doesn't use it the way it was intended to, he should've gotten a condenser mic

    • @rob1253
      @rob1253 Před 4 lety +1

      Yup. This entire video, the tie clip mic is the cleanest audio.

    • @SabentHD
      @SabentHD Před 4 lety

      @@rob1253 I'm assuming they cleaned it up but the other ones are raw eq because it's about live streaming which is harder to clean up than pre recorded

    • @mados123
      @mados123 Před 4 lety

      @@SabentHD when you say cleaned it up (regarding the lapel mic) what's a typical workflow for something like that? Is it possible that is also on a mixer? Thanks!

  • @jmodum90
    @jmodum90 Před 4 lety

    I got a cheap XLR bundle on Amazon that really outperformed my expectations. I think it was around $35 for a mic, arm, windscreen, pop filter and XLR cable. I added a U-phoria UMC22 XLR interface and the sound has been better than every headset or lav mic I tried before. I went this route so that I could upgrade parts as necessary but I don't see myself upgrading anything but the arm any time soon. While I'm sure more expensive mics have a better sound, the performance per dollar I get out of this has been fantastic. I would highly recommend this route for someone who wants to improve their audio but doesn't want to commit a big monetary investment. For about $70 total (mic bundle + xlr interface), it's tough to beat the value.

  • @wot_noobclown5621
    @wot_noobclown5621 Před 4 lety

    I love those funny “takeouts” during the video ❤️

  • @KatalistProductionsKozzySasha

    That Shure mic is one of the best of all time. Some of the best albums ever recorded used it, not to mention podcasters like Joe Rogan and many others use it to do shows. Quality wise the mic is great for many things, BUT.. you do need to have it CLOSE to you and it has been known to need a good amount of gain. Might be to much for some people, but used right it is the GOAT of mics for many people. More for recording instruments and doing podcasts than streaming on twitch. I would say try the mic closer and get something better than can give it the gain it needs. If used right that mic will blow you away. Not needed for most people, but if you do anything audio related it is well worth the investment imo. Been to many studios over the years and dealt with many mics, this Shure mic is my personal favorite overall.

    • @CheesyMcBeard
      @CheesyMcBeard Před 4 lety

      You forget that the it isn't the mic alone. It's the tube preamps too that they used to get the sound.

    • @FritzGillis
      @FritzGillis Před 4 lety

      People don’t realize how much the, you know, Neve, SSL, API or wtvr broadcast quality Preamp has on the mic

  • @chrisrjones
    @chrisrjones Před 4 lety +68

    Now the one thing I'd point out, you are comparing a Dynamic Microphone vs. a Condenser Microphone.... Two different types of microphones.......

    • @TheBCProject
      @TheBCProject Před 4 lety +2

      Thank you.

    • @ThomasGail
      @ThomasGail Před 4 lety

      I scrolled looking for this.

    • @dalelince
      @dalelince Před 4 lety

      Exactly what I had to learn. It's amazing what that mic is capable of.

    • @Nostaljack
      @Nostaljack Před 4 lety

      Agreed. Not the same in any way.

  • @geekiejesus8482
    @geekiejesus8482 Před 4 lety

    Im personally using the old Blue snowball mic, voicemeeter, and tweaked some settings. You get the tuned sound with a little play in the settings. The only drawback is the Blue Snowball is legendary in being difficult with Windows drivers. Less than £100 a few years ago and still going strong!

  • @thatrealba
    @thatrealba Před 4 lety +58

    TLDR: Jay dumb. Don't be a Jay.
    :D

  • @CrackerSnifferBurger
    @CrackerSnifferBurger Před 4 lety +28

    Man, imagine being this wrong

  • @dontthroworanges
    @dontthroworanges Před 4 lety +17

    Former production sound mixer here. #1 Too far from the mic. #2 SM7B needs a ton of preamp gain which obviously the Scarlet Solo doesn't have. #3 Most radio stations use a lot of compression in conjunction with EQ to give you that "warm" sound you are referencing.

    • @lutboy2909
      @lutboy2909 Před 4 lety

      And a valve preamp for extra warm sound

    • @hacobhudkins
      @hacobhudkins Před 4 lety

      he has a cloud lifter, which i use regularly in studio applications and pairs perfect with the sm7b, it's just a 20dB boost before it ever hits your pre-amp

  • @playerone4080
    @playerone4080 Před 4 lety +1

    I use a SM7B with the cloud lifter and my Apollo Twin Duo interface and use the Manley Voxbox in the console and Boyyy does it sound clean and crisp and loud

  • @autobotguy
    @autobotguy Před 4 lety

    I looked hard into audio vs. money when wanting to upgrade from my Yeti Snowball that was starting to fail and I came down to an inexpensive solution. MXL 990 and a Behringer Q802USB. This setup has tons of expandability, its VERY easy to setup and sounds fantastic! Best of all, its all under $200.

  • @valtervincere
    @valtervincere Před 4 lety +110

    This happens when "buy" goes first then "research" comes second.
    I recommend watching Juan Carlos Bagnell's response video to help you out in case you still don't acknowledge the helpful comments here.
    czcams.com/video/lguFei5IS14/video.html

  • @TiffCat
    @TiffCat Před 4 lety +87

    More sound engineers in the comments than stars in the night sky

    • @saber-jocky3436
      @saber-jocky3436 Před 4 lety +8

      About how the verge pc build video went when they got it all wrong. What do you expect? Professionals take their trades very seriously and want to set the record straight for people that don't know any better. There is a reason audio engineering degrees exist after all.

    • @ShaneMcGrath.
      @ShaneMcGrath. Před 4 lety

      @@saber-jocky3436 Not even sure it matters these days, Half the population suffers some form of hearing loss, Wouldn't matter if he was using a $20 USB mic to most people watching youtube.

    • @hacobhudkins
      @hacobhudkins Před 4 lety +2

      yeah it's almost like when something directly related to someone's career is in a video, they want to comment on it and combat ignorance.

    • @DominikJuzeHaus
      @DominikJuzeHaus Před 4 lety

      Yesterday pleb, today audio engineer, exactly some people in chat. But no argument that Jay is using the mic very bad way, since the distance is so long, and also, I think that other DAC may do better for this setup. I remember being told to eat the mic so many times at my dabing lessons. If seing a mic in frame is anoying for you, why not consider using a lav or shotgun mic? The are not the same quality, they may be actualy lot worse in terms of vocals, but if hate the look of big black object in front of ur face, then they are a solution.

  • @StrayMedicine
    @StrayMedicine Před 4 lety +3

    07:28
    You can get a few GOOD standalone EQs for roughly $20-50, or you could just get iZotope's Ozone 9 Elements for free from Sweetwater (free version doesn't come with standalone), then get VB Cable, and route the audio from OBS into whatever program you want using VB cable.
    Also an oldschool style EQ vst like the one you're running might not be the most useful unless you run a separate spectrum analyzer alongside it to see where your levels actually are across the entire spectrum. Always trust your ears first while EQing, but a spectrum analyzer helps a lot still for precision.

  • @PowerCheez
    @PowerCheez Před 4 lety

    I'm actually using a Genesis Radium 400. A nice starter package with mounting arm, suspension ring, pop filter and wind screen. And with your advice on the plugin it sounds great.

  • @nmarmz
    @nmarmz Před 4 lety +50

    Jay doing audio advise when he clearly dont undestand the products he bought ! GJ Jay

    • @trje246
      @trje246 Před 4 lety +2

      That's his two cents i guess :oP

  • @sarahharrison7852
    @sarahharrison7852 Před 4 lety +3

    On the back of the mic, you will find the switchable bass roll off switches. I'm fairly sure yours is set to flat. Seeing that you didn't mention the switches, I'm fairly sure you didn't research the SM7B very well. Hope to see a follow up video when you try the roll off switches. Sorry if you wasted a bunch of money over a simple fix.

  • @VetBodGaming
    @VetBodGaming Před 4 lety +1

    So would you recommend using that scarlett DAC though with a lower cost XLR mic like an at2035?

    • @ryanschneider3700
      @ryanschneider3700 Před 4 lety

      I have the 2nd gen 2i2 which is a distant cousin of this thing. The drivers are notoriously shaky (mine is pretty much bricked because of it) and Focusrite has basically done nothing to help the situation. Idk if their 3rd gen series has changed that at all, but I wouldn't recommend their stuff. btw the 2035 is a condenser so make sure your dac/interface/mixer has 48v/50v phantom power otherwise it won't work.

  • @hsfilms9999
    @hsfilms9999 Před 4 lety +1

    I currently own the HyperX Quadcast. Very nice USB microphone for around $130-140. It's in the same range as a Blue Yeti classic, and some of my friends debate that it may be better. To me, it's personal preference as they both have their pros and cons. Must I saw though, it's very cool looking. LED light that internally lights up when the microphone is active and turns off when muted. Built-in shock mount and pop filter are an added bonus!

  • @beurksman
    @beurksman Před 4 lety +43

    Sound engineer here tearing my hair out

    • @thesidekick6
      @thesidekick6 Před 4 lety +1

      while not the biggest audio misstep, anyone else still waiting for his list of popular broadcast mics to mention the RE20

    • @adamgeorge8327
      @adamgeorge8327 Před 4 lety +2

      Join the club, there seem to be a lot of us......

    • @emmytmo4914
      @emmytmo4914 Před 4 lety

      Guys, Help me get an even warmer AT2020 usb mic, pretty please

    • @LS-oh8kv
      @LS-oh8kv Před 4 lety +1

      Not a sound engineer but I minored in music technology and took a few classes on the physics of sound. I’m also pulling my hair out. 100% user error, if he wants the mic 18-24 inches from his face, he should’ve gotten a nice condenser mic. He needs to eat the mic, and he should’ve gotten a proper preamp as well. This whole setup is what it looks like when you don’t do enough research on a topic and then spend a bunch of money on it. Sweet water has excellent sales reps that could’ve gotten him set up properly the first time.

  • @ariadne2746
    @ariadne2746 Před 4 lety +28

    you're too far from the sm7b!
    pro sound engineer here.

  • @blkspade23
    @blkspade23 Před 4 lety +1

    The scarlet interfaces are quite sound, but you probably should have gone with a condenser mic as the scarlet has phantom power. I only do guitar recording, but my dynamic mics clearly are meant for strong source output and/or close proximity. My scarlet 2i2 gets use as a general purpose audio interface when I'm not recording.

  • @bykaminokage
    @bykaminokage Před 4 lety

    I went an Audio-Technica AT2020 road as I think it has a very fair price for what you get in terms of sound quality. I currently have RODE arm + AT2020 +
    Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd Gen) and I'm very happy with it, BUT there was a problem for a long time with Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd Gen) and Windows drivers. After some time your mic started to "glitch / crackle ". The problem was connected to the buffer size and it was only solved with a last version of their drivers (it took them for more than a YEAR to fix it).

  • @ErnieJay08
    @ErnieJay08 Před 4 lety +31

    I love that mic. You heard that a lot of studios and radio stations use that mic, but have you ever noticed how close they usually are to the thing? We use them for my church for recording and all we go through is a Scarlett, nothing else.
    So yeah PSA, don't do what Jay did. Learn to use the gear before you pull the trigger and buy. Could have easily ran an SM58 through the Scarlett and been fine.

    • @CheesyMcBeard
      @CheesyMcBeard Před 4 lety +5

      It isn't the MIC alone who delivers the sound you heared on albums. It's the combination of Tube preamps, the warm sound of a analog tape recording etc. CZcamsrs think they get the sound with a 100 dollar interface. Lol.

  • @thesockloser
    @thesockloser Před 4 lety +13

    So, is it just me that started watching the green led light on the Scarlet Solo go on and off every time Jay spoke ?

  • @bluecollarbuddha948
    @bluecollarbuddha948 Před 4 lety

    Great advice. I WAY overdo and constantly redo my podcast setup, but I buy all my gear used and I enoy trying wacky, overcomplicated methods. I'm using a Linux Mint/Firewire computer/interface with a ridiculous analog rack at the moment.
    I've noticed that Christopher Titus just uses SM58s for his podcast and it sounds great.

  • @prismech
    @prismech Před 4 lety

    So I've been looking into getting a new and separate mic for myself to record while playing games or something and one mic I found was the HyperX Quadcast. Looking in the comments here, I didn't see anything about it. So I'm wondering, is the quadcast actually good or are there better and less expensive options?

  • @whatskraken3886
    @whatskraken3886 Před 4 lety +5

    the SM7B is a great mic, but yeah it's meant to be used really up close and personal

  • @Deathignator
    @Deathignator Před 4 lety +46

    I’m listening to this on $5 headphones...

    • @bogartwilley
      @bogartwilley Před 4 lety +1

      I'm on a broken free phone lol

    • @sujimayne
      @sujimayne Před 4 lety

      And I'm listening to this on €300 headphones... and I have a €10 mic.

  • @gphillimo
    @gphillimo Před 4 lety

    I bought this mic recently for my home recording studio. I think it's a great choice. I got the mic and a cloudlifter for $355 plus shipping. That's a great deal. I also bought the scarlett 2i2. For music, i feel like I have a perfect combination 🤷🏿‍♂️

  • @caseyfitz2136
    @caseyfitz2136 Před 4 lety

    So I have a condenser mic (CAD GXL 2200) and I really wish it had a warmer tone. Since I already have it and use it, would it be beneficial to grab that Yamama MG06 so I could adjust the sound no matter if recording or talking live in to discord?

  • @ronknight1010
    @ronknight1010 Před 4 lety +64

    Jay if you need to do anything sound related Very Highly recommend talking to someone at Sweetwater. I'm a live sound engineer and they are my goto for everything and anything audio. They are extremely knowledgeable and there customer service is second None.

    • @JohnPaulHare
      @JohnPaulHare Před 4 lety +3

      I only buy my gear from Sweetwater. No one else is better at this stuff. And I freaking love my sales engineer, Kenny. The man is legendary. I miss chatting with him on the phone now that everything is shut down.

    • @zulegmat
      @zulegmat Před 4 lety +9

      Hey Aaron, THANK YOU! I’m a sales engineer at Sweetwater and when I started this video I immediately face palmed. I REALLY wish he would’ve called us because I know anyone of us would’ve have gotten him setup correctly from the get go. Also, I appreciate you coming our way for audio / music needs, thanks for the shoutout my friend!

    • @zulegmat
      @zulegmat Před 4 lety +4

      John Paul Hare Kenny is awesome man! We’re actually not shutdown right now, just most of us are working remotely from home. Thanks for the shoutout, we appreciate you! I’ll tell Kenny you say hi haha.

    • @JohnPaulHare
      @JohnPaulHare Před 4 lety

      @@zulegmat dude, that's awesome! Happy to hear you guys are working from home. It's tough not being able to plan gigs where I might find myself needing something in a pinch and being able to call up Sweetwater and have that piece in a couple days. Anyway, give him my best! Hope you're all doing well.

    • @Midnight_Nihilist
      @Midnight_Nihilist Před 4 lety

      Sweetwater has been my goto for hardware since I bought my first amplifier as high school rocker in the 90's. Save for a few small pieces of hardware and my string instruments they've been the company that built me and my business. Every time I get with gear heads we end up discussing at least breifly who each person has as their personal engineer. Mine is Stewart.

  • @iSupermanCKi
    @iSupermanCKi Před 4 lety +27

    All I could focus on was the light flashing to your voice.

    • @tims4654
      @tims4654 Před 4 lety

      same here

    • @VulgrDisplay
      @VulgrDisplay Před 4 lety

      Thats the clip indicator on the Scarlett solo. Green is good, read is too much gain.

    • @gendolitan
      @gendolitan Před 4 lety

      Dude same

  • @tonesnaps
    @tonesnaps Před 4 lety

    are those vst plugin settings the one you are using for that sound?? wondering, so i can use it for a start

  • @Skipper-1031
    @Skipper-1031 Před 4 lety +3

    As an audio engineer, this is what pro audio costs. But the SM7B is $399. If I were you, I’d really look into mic placement techniques. The sound you’re thinking of is achieved by one being right up on that mic. With a dynamic mic, you probably want to be about 2 inches from it as much as possible. Also nice job with the cloud lifter, I always use one with those mics! If you ever want a better interface, checkout the Apogee Duet, it sounds amazing!