Are Christians and Muslims Noahides? | Q&A at Dallas Beyneynu Conference
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- Do adherents of Christianity and Islam adhere to the requirements of a Noahide? Is believing in a Trinity acceptable according to the Noahide Law against idolatry? Are Muslims Noahides since they are pure monotheists? Must a Noahide believe in the Tanach (Hebrew Scriptures) as the word of God revealed through His prophets?
0:30 Was Jethro (Yitro/Yisro) a convert or a righteous gentile?
1:30 Are the Druze in Israel descendants of Jethro?
3:35 Are the Druze (or Muslims/Christians) considered Noahides?
Rabbi Rafi Mollot confronts these issues during the Q&A portion of his presentation at the @beyneynu conference for Noahides in Dallas, TX (July 2023).
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As a muslim i enjoy listening to this brothers explanations, he seems to have quite a lot of knowledge. He doesnt show hatred towards anyone and he seems like a calm person with a cool head.
Sounds like a Jew
As a former xtian, I can categorically say that I was Not a Noahide. I was an idolator. Having rejected the J man as messiah, and rejected all NT teaching, I am now a Noahide. Baruch HaShem.
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Okay throw stones to Stephen.
As Muslim, it ok to have different view, Rabbi very good people, because he careful what he explain, not to mock, offend, slander and made fun of others believe.
I like this outlook, no matter what religion, we must love each other. No mocking, no insults, accepting each other.
Because at the end of the day, the Creator is in control, and the Creator will do what He does. If we love each other and worship Him how we believe, surely that is profitable even if we are in the wrong religion.
Thank you 😊 I appreciate you visiting my channel, and as Jews we very much respect Muslims for their belief in the God of our forefathers, and we understand that the descendants of Ishmael are our cousins. I have found that Jews and Muslims believe many of the same things and have many similar religious practices. We have much in common and I think it is important to build on that foundation of commonality to create an environment of respect, tolerance and peace.
@@TaxEvasi0n Thank you for visiting my channel and for expressing this positive perspective. I am very much in agreement with this sentiment.
04:52, except He said Moeslem believed a False Prophet.
This is a good talk rabbi. I as Muslim have had many conversations with you through this channel in the comments and i hope Allah/Hashem blesses you for upholding his Scripture.
Love it!!!!!!
Rabbi, what an interesting lesson!
So, also the bene Noach are supposed to have certain believes to have a share in olam haba? Are they the 13 principles of Rambam or there is more?
Yes, the 13 Principles essentially. At least, according to Maimonides, whose opinion is very weighty in matters of law.
@@RabbiRafiMollot Thank you Rabbi
I hope you do not understand my question as challenging or opposing anything you said but rather I seek clarification.
Another major problem of the Hebrew Bible - besides the textual differences - is contradictions.
It is not as easy as "Muhammad was false prophet because he said Torah was changed".
Rather, how can a book from God - Torah - in this instance, have a contradictions? Sometimes even within same chapter.
A good example is Solomon being called the wisest man, whoever lived vs few verses later, text says Solomon worship foreign gods, the idols.
There are many peculiarities like Lot having intercourse with his daughters - he was a prophet of God. This definitely breaks the Noachide laws.
In Islam, we don't have these things in our scripture and no contradixtion
Hi Rabbj Rafi Mollot! I have a question about Muslims not being - Noachide - because of our belief that Torah was changed.
Dead Sea Scroll manuscript of Hebrew Bible differs from Masoretic text used by orthodox Jews, Jeremiah scroll is 15% shorter, as do Greek Septuagint differ from both in wording and in meaning. Isaiah 9:7 is famous example.
This is according to Biblical scholars, textual criticism experts, Hebrew researchers - even Jews in Middle Ages like Ibn Ezra had problems with the text.
So, my question is - given that universal dominant position of Hebrew Bible experts agreeing with Islamic position - then how we are wrong?
If Quran said that "Torah is true, pure as the original" then we would be proven false by bible experts.
So, are we still wrong here and what is your proof that you have Torah from Moses unchanged for 3500 years
Lastly, I hope you take this concern well - I am not trying to "debate" you, as you are much wiser person than me but no scholar of the Hebrew Bible, Textual Criticism field or otherwise would ever claim the Torah as it exists today is the same that Moses delivered.
First, because they don't believe Moses existed as person - due to lack of historical attestation but let's ignore this.
It is one thing for a much learned rabbi to teach his students that Torah is pure as the original from God to Moses. I think having faith is noble endeavor but it is completely another thing to claim that Muslims are false because we don't affirm this same belief.
Particularly when every textual criticism scholar in the field in Hebrew Bible - and even New Testament scholars both agree that text was changed by the scribes in multiple times thorough it's long history.
So, I appreciate the passion with which you teach your deeply held faith but this one we can examine and see with our own eyes.
Not a single one of the Hebrew Bible expert is a devout Muslim, who has axe to grind with Jewish people but many of them are Israelite scholars.
Rabbi Tovia Singer, a well learned man is deeply familiar with this field.
So, if the Torah is pure and as original as the one Moses delivered - then where is that text? I don't mean believing this to be true what is the actual evidence we can examine?
Didn’t realize you had your own channel. I was curious if we would end up seeing any footage from this conference
Remind me how I know you... from TeNaK Talk?
@@RabbiRafiMollot yes
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@@RabbiRafiMollot if you have a few minutes, could I get yout input on my response to William and Greg's discussion of luke4 vs Isaiah61?
I posted a vid yesterday
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I've done a lot of thinking about this subject myself lately, then I saw this video. I've come to the idea that Islam doesn't believe in the same G-d in Torah. I think they use a similar word used in Hebrew "Allah" but I don't think it's the same G-d nor the same word. I think the origins of Allah in Hebrew are different from the Allah in Islam.
The J3-ws w0rsh1p in the Musl1m masj1ds and acknowledge that the Muslims w0rsh1p the God of Abraham (peace be upon him). You need to continue with your research and go the distance. The T0rah / Tanakh call you to Islam. It's an INBUILT system for course correction ONLY for those who sincerely seek the truth with an open heart and mind.
Its akin to saying that Diety in English and Deux or Dios in French or Spanish are not the same word, though with a slight difference in usage.
They are the same but the problem os how the mainstream muslim denominations have defined Islam itself. Islam doesn't exclusively refer to the followers of the Quran but it refers to followers of the monotheistic path. Those who essentially followed the creed of Abraham in monotheism. Abraham wasn't a muslim in the modern day understanding. He was a regular monotheist amd the same goes for issac, Ishmael etc. Muslim is am adjective in the Quran, it doesn't refer to those who nominally follow the Quran. A jew who upholds Torah is a muslim for example though not a mumin (which was the original term for the followers of quranic law)
@@ace9924
A J3w can't help being a Muslim (come to Islam) if he follows the Torah. The Torah commands the I-s-ra-el-it-e nat10n to acknowledge and follow the Law which God sent through Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The previous scriptures have an INBUILT system which call the people to Islam and The Quran.
@@ace9924
Are you a j(e)w or a m-u-s-l-i-m?
Nonsense, when someone follows the gentile ways, instead of fully accepting God's way, while still claiming to be righteous, such individual is a complete hypocrite, while people who accept such a hypocrite as part of their religion, those people are either fools or decievers.
Longest NO ever 😂
😂 Yeah, I can a bit long-winded, especially when I'm trying not to hurt people's feelings.
@@RabbiRafiMollotexhausting and near impossible these days, plenty of people are seeking to be offended for sport. They will never stop being obsessed with self if coddled. Gotta rip it off like a bandaid "No. Here's why" or "Here's why the answer is No". If enough people do that they might grow up rather than demand pity parties to feel powerful. I guess you're lucky being a bit insulated among Jewish people. It's HELL out here 😭
Did the angel Gabriel come to you and tell you that Muhammad is a false prophet? What will you do on the day of judgment if God says Muhammad is the true prophet?
Salam/Shalom. You are right about the mainstream view of the Tanakh but their view is incorrect as ive studied the Quran and if one reads it, the Quran told the arab jews at the time to uphold the Torah and to bring it and even God said that they shouldnt come to the Messenger for arbitration as they have the Torah. This leads me to believe, as you know from my previous comment conversations, that the Torah isnt corrupted. I do maintain the view that is has changes but i dont believe that it constitutes corruption and ergo it shouldnt be used. I actually have a separate copy of the Pentateuch and the jps Tanakh. Alot of the archaic ridiculous hadiths have sadly turned the Mumins against the previous scriptures and hypocritically they follow oral sayings which werent ordained by God at all.
The way i study the Quran and Torah goes like this: i study the narratives and compare and contrast them, if the Quran doesnt present a counter narrative then i have to assume it likely happened, for example, mainstream muslims dont believe Jacob wrestled with a man and earned the title israel because they say a man cant wrestle with God, but they forget that this is a metaphor and not literal. And when you read the Quran, it uses his title of Israel which means it did happen. As i read the Torah it also gives insight into the Quran as i found a reference to Balaam from Numbers in the Quran itself. And this is fascinating as it throws a wrentch into the views of mainstream muslims that prophets were completely infallible.
"..... that the Torah isn't corrupted....."
Produce your proof if you're truthful.
What you've mentioned about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) telling the j-3-w-s to judge by what they have is about a specific incident where the J3ws were looking to get a certain ruling from him and so that they can have an excuse. To tell them to go by what they have was to defeat their tr-ap attempt.
The Quran confirms the whatever truth still left in the previous scriptures and corrects the falsehoods which had crept in as people corrupted the previous scriptures.
Isaiah 40:28 (God
does NOT faint NOT weary)
28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, NEITHER is WEARY? there is no searching of his understanding.
VS
Exodus 31:17 (God rested, and was
REFFESHED.)
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he RESTED, and was REFRESHED.
Isaiah we can accept as the truth about God whereas Exodus gives something not befitting God Almighty. The Quran sets the record straight in what is called Ayatul Kursi.
@truthdoesntcomeeasyyes4968 corruption aren't the changes of ink on paper every scripture is a representation of the tablet with God. The Quran can't protect a scripture which is practically extinct, if we go by your sunni paradigm. If the scripture were corrupted, then the Quran wouldn't want the jews at the time to use it. And it also says the jews who uphold the Torah "guide with the truth and with it they become just". No direct verse uses the word corruption. A mumin can read the current Torah with the Quran as an authority, if there is a narrative that the Quran states is not correct then you ignore the piece of the narrative in the Torah itself. Ayatul kursi is something that the hadith placed emphasis on. While the verse obviously is in the Quran, the benefits fir which the heresay oral sayings state aren't correct.
@@ace9924
What you've mentioned about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) telling the j-3-w-s to judge by what they have is about a specific incident where the J3ws were looking to get a certain specific ruling from him so that they can have an excuse. Their attempted T-R-I-C-K-E-R-Y was thwarted.
@@ace9924
Homing in because you evaded:
Does God get *REFRESHED* ?
Yes OR No
So muslims cant be Noahides bc
1. The prophet Muhammad (saw) is a "false" prophet
2. Muslims dont believe the Tanakh is completly perserved
1. The prophet Muhammad by the will of Allah completly got away with polytheism in the arabian peninsula and the muslim world. Let that really sink in... Out of nowhere in a world where polytheism is the truth (everyone practised it), a single fought against that and abolished it, so too worship Allah Alone. I really want u to think about this. These people were destined for the hellfire. Satan got them really tight. And then within a generation they left this evil behind them and somehow worshiped the God of Noah/Abraham and Moses. Also note that in the city of the prophet by accident there is a mountain inside of it called Sela...
2. I mean.... euhm... do u really believe that. Did Allah make a promise to the believers of that time to preserve the text.
I mean the 1) Dead sea scrolls, 2) Septuagint 3) Masoretic Text r not the same and conflict each other in some parts. But even in the same text they conflict for example the age of Ahaziah when he ruled...
So with all due respects, but Islam really seems to get it factually right here on both accounts
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Keep in mind Christians make the same argument about their Messiah/God-man.
@@RabbiRafiMollot
What argument? That christianity is monotheistic or that they worship the God of Abraham/Moses?
Regarding the monotheism, i dont think i need to explain that to u....?
Regarding them worshipping the God of Abraham/Moses well, the first "christians" or followers of Jesus were jews... of course they new the God of Abraham. The Arabs had enough other "gods" to choose from (hubal, lat and uzza) these were the gods that the arabs worshiped and not Allah.
Or perhapse u mean that polytheism was deleted by christianity/Jesus? Which is also not the case, it only morphed into something of the same...
They, the christians, regard the "old testament" as perserved (just like u do?). Eventhough, again, there are clear contradictions
@@RabbiRafiMollotallah in Arabic means (His Majesty) !
Scriptural changes aren't equivalent to corruption. These are metaphysical books at the end of the day. The Tanakh shouldn't be thrown out as you have the Quran that presents the correct narratives. Something also can't be corrupted If it has another book that counteracts it. The Quran also states many time for the Jews to uphold the Torah, why would God want them to uphold a book that is "corrupt"? Scripture is more than ink on the page. And the Quran says it protects the Torah, if the Torah is corrupt than the Quran is then protecting an extinct scripture which doesn't make any sense.
Christians worship a wonderful counselor, a mighty God, an Everlasting Father and a prince of peace.
I understand the reference to Isaiah 9. Obviously we have a different understanding of that passage. I wish you only well.
@@RabbiRafiMollot The wrong understanding causes division.
@@ThroneofDavid8 Agreed.
@@ThroneofDavid8 I'm trying to avoid division by choosing not to argue the point.
@@RabbiRafiMollot The division was discovered when the disagreement was made known.
Wow... What a bunch of weak bs! Too much of a coward to just aay what he thinks or thr truth 👎👎👎👎👎
@Kobe7166 the israelites weren't black. Bro just stop taking another culture a d drafting yourself into it.