The Feast of Hemlock Vale Rogue: Arkham Horror First Impressions | Optimal Play
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- We start our chats about the player cards in the Hemlock Vale expansion with the chatty investigator!
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22:08 Motivational Speech parleys with an ally in a players hand.
On Emergency Cache vs Grift;
Emergency Cache doesn't draw you a card with Lucky Cigarette Case, can't be made fast with Chuck Fergus, Winifred can't commit 2 cards to Emergency Cache, Emergency Cache can't be used to setup a Momentum, All In or Watch This.
I think many decks will still prefer Emergency Cache, but there are a lot of very good cards that make many decks prefer Grift.
I think you're a little bit harsh on Grift.
- For one, it's not that hard to get more resources out of it than EC, and it does trigger your Lucky Cigarette Case (and if you have the level 3 version of LCC, it does trigger it for a big amount) and other "succeed by" shenanigans. We have learned from parallel Skids that a difficulty 0 test on demand isn't something to ignore as a rogue.
- Second, it's a Parley so you can play it while you're engaged, say if you need to play your .25 Automatic or some other gun that doesn't trigger AoOs.
- Both traits are extremely relevant, unlike Faustian's. You can put it in your Underworld Market, you can search it with Finn's signature, you can Fence it to make it fast, you can play it with Rita, you can make it fast and/or +2 with Chuck, you can +2 it with Crafty, you can attach it to Bewitching (which you'll get to later in the video).
- Its icons are probably more relevant for rogues than Faustian's
- It doesn't add curses, which admittedly isn't a big deal, but it can cause a test or two to fail.
- If you play without taboo, Double or Nothing is insane on this card (like anything that tests at very low difficulties)
Sure you can fail with this card or get a low amount of resources, but I think the bigger problem is that it requires an enemy. Sometimes you need money without an enemy being around, but still I have played this card in several non-Alessandra rogues since its release, and it has performed just fine.
They're overly harsh on quite a few cards tbh, I think that Fake Credentials 0 is better than they said tbh, simply because it lets you completely ignore shroud values (it wouldnt be your main clue getting tool though yeah)
Ha that's true that grift has a lot more build-around potential than emergency cache and different build-around potential than faustian bargain, but... I don't usually want to build around my staple econ events? If you're doing those things you listed then yeah, it's definitely worth considering (other than Rita, I'd still play emergency cache over grift with her). But hey I'll probably run 2x grift next chance I get, because playing with the new toys is a perfectly good reason in and of itself.
Good point we didn't dwell on the ignoring shroud part of fake credentials, but I feel like intel report fills that role better? It's a similar cost to get 2 clues while ignoring shroud, and it's a lot fewer actions, no tests, no slot, and does not require an enemy.
@@OptimalPlay Sure I wouldn't build my deck around Grift. I would see it less as a card that you build your deck around, and more like a card that really fits in well if you already built your deck around Chuck, or if you already have Underworld Market or Beguiled. Or if you're already a "succeed by" deck, or if you are already passively boosting your agility to 8 anyway.
Sort of but sort of not I guess? Intel Report will get you two clues from one location, typically though that's not what you'd be doing with Fake Credentials, and depending who you're playing, it can trigger your succeed by 2 stuff for example@@OptimalPlay
I think a lot of these cards are better than you are giving credit for. The general design is for the cards to be good in a combo deck rather than more powerful than the cards that you are already using in every deck and that is a good thing for the game.
Notes on individual cards.
British Bulldog: standard cost for a firearm level zero firearm is one resource per ammo, standard bonus is +1 fight +1 damage. Even without the ability to put this into play for free, this gun is right on curve if you have one better agility than strength better than curve if the difference is more. This opens up the possibility of using a firearm to a lot of one and two strength rogues.
Fake credentials(o): The card you should be comparing this to in rogue is lockpicks (0) and for my money it's a pretty comparable card. Which one is better is very much a matter of what investigator and deck you are playing.
Bianca De Catz: for this one you are either looking for an enemy that you can use during the scenario for your other cards, or you are looking for easy tests to trigger succeed by effects (just choose to take one resource).
Grift: You are taking this card over Faustian Bargain if you are running one of the following deck archetypes, succeed by (cant beet a zero test), trick(See below), parley or some dragon decks.
false surrender, stiring the pot, vamp: These are all tricks in addition to being Parley cards, you are either running these with parley tech, trick tech or both. Chuck Fergus and Crafty are the two most obvious cards here. Chuck fungus will do 2 out of make the card fast, reduce the cost by 2 or boost the test by 2, crafty will give you an additional two points to either reduce the cost or boost the test. For the best case for these cards you are taking Allesandra with a parley/trick deck or maybe somebody like Sefina who can get extra value out of the high cost events.
With regards to the Parley archetype.
I think in a lot of ways this is a mirror of the doom archetype in that it requires taking risks that you wouldn't otherwise (the risk here is that you need to keep enemies alive to be effective and that can get out of hand). This is the reason the set contains cards specifically designed to mitigate these problems. I like that it is a mostly event focused archetype, it's good to give players reasons to play more events / fewer assets. Even though the keyword only does one the design does effect how several parts of the game work. aloof enemies gain value, particularly aloof hunters, and you can do a lot of interesting things to enemies with the retaliate / alert keywords.
I would gladly play Bulldog in any 5-Agility Rogue.
I think Lightfooted is generally much better than Survival Instinct. Survival Instinct is mostly only useful as a solo card. Lightfooted works well in multiplayer and somewhat okay in solo. Thanks!
Yeah I feel like they didn't think of one of the main advantages of Lightfooted (not sure if they ever play 4p), but it's not too unlikely that both your evader/flex and your cluever draw an enemy in the same round, and this lets you evade your cluever's enemy without even engaging it, making it quite efficient. Now I'm not saying this is a very good card, and I don't think it'll make the cut very often in my decks, as the limit of 30 card becomes more and more competitive with each expansion, but for a campaign like TFA I would probably consider it in high player counts.
one wonders if the level five version of stir the pot was printed with the level zero version's effect.
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I disagree with almost every reaction here, my opinion on some of the cards are as follow:
British Buldog 0 has a skill boost, it gives you +2 to hit in most rogues since their foot is 2 greater than their fist and it makes the test a foot test, so you can simply commit all your foot icons to it or use streetwise, something you can't with normal guns. It's pretty much an Azure Flame 0 or a Shriveling 0 for foot investigators.
Grift is great, albeit situational. If you are running a high foot gator and does not want to curse the bag, those curse tokens aren't nothing, ye Faustian is great cause its very efficient, but if you can reliably gain 4 or so resources with Grift (which you can with certain investigators) there is no reason to run Faustian and get two curse tokens for it. And there are decks that will want both Faustian and Grift over an Ecach and a Faustian for example. Finally sometimes you just want an on demand 0 difficulty test so you can succeed at a parley action, or at any test really, and trigger other cards.
Fake credentials, both levels, are good to great cards, they are investigation actions that heavily reduce shroud and do not provoke attacks of opportunity. It's not meant to be your main investigation tool, it's your side tool, and the card can run very well even in non parley focused gators.
Snitch is one of the easiest ways there is to get two clues without testing in the entire game, if you are running a parley deck there is a bunch of 0 or low difficulty parleys you can run and simply snatch two clues after it with Snitch (Fake Credentials 4 can net you three clues in one 0 difficulty test for one action in combination with Snitch for example). This card might be the best card in the entire set, it is weaker on non parley focused decks but still not unusable (you can splash some parley cards, there are a few that are just generally good and aren't limitted to the archetype), but on parley decks it is nuts.
Bank Job is as effective as Faustian (net 4 resources discounting the card since every card costs a card anyway) without cursing the bag, there are a bunch of other details and fringe cases that go into the comparison of these two, but at the very least ppl should consider running both if they were gona run Faustian and something else.
Anyway those are my views, sorry if they came out as rude, it was not my intention.
Bank Job costs an additional action so not nearly as effective as Faustian. It is essentially two emergency caches in one card.