my (genius) (flawless) arkham horror investigator tier list 2024
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- čas přidán 20. 07. 2024
- i decided to jump on the bandwagon and make my personal tier list of investigators, including having tried the new hemlock investigators!
my twitch, if you're interested, is amberautumnfaebrooke. i don't currently stream regularly but i do love thinking and talking about arkham so if there's interest i would be happy to do more arkham stuff there?
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My hot take is that every other channel's Arkham Horror investigator tier list is now shifted an entire tier down on account of not having a snake.
It was so fun listening to you - thanks for that. I would love to watch more from your arkham talking and your opinions. You got me from your first words, but seeing you rank Daisy so high was eye-opening for me (Daisy is this high for me too. To my bad Rex and I are not so good friends.). Till now I thougt, that is this way because I play Rex wrong and missed the point (or because of me being a new player and to silly for playing this game in a propper way). So far we played Core, Dunwich and Forgotten Age (Forgotten Age first run with Ursula and Tony. We won it and I was so happy. Ursula did a really good job - but my second thought after winnig was: I want to try this with Daisy, Boots and Esoteric Atlas and see, how far this goes.). Listening to you maks my eyes hiking to my shelf, looking at all those unplaid stories und wondering, if I could wake up my husband to play arkham (here in Germany it is 3 o clock in the morning...).
Please please PLEASE bring us your 20-handed Blob playthrough. I love your videos so much Amber Autumn!❤
Just started playing AH, just found your channel. Thanks for this!
I would say for Vincent, he doesn't have the support problem. Mostly his ability just applies to himself so that he can continuously pass tests. He fights and he passes tests and he gets clues whenever he doesn't have to fight. His best gameplan works well true solo. Being able to ensure that nobody else on the team dies and hand out some Unexpected Courage is very much a side benefit, completely unlike Caroline whose best gameplan is to glue herself to her team and get some crazy action efficiency via Synergy cards while topping everyone up. I would not say he's S tier or anything, but I'd easily swap him with some investigators of B tier, because what he can consistently accomplish is very impressive, but fair.
This is perhaps a bit of a playstyle difference though. I really don't care about characters popping off. I think what's valuable for winning is to be the most consistent at staying ahead of the curve and able to do just better than what the game requires. Cycling a deck is one way to do that, but you don't need to be running circles around the game to win and get all of the Victory.
Thanks for the list! I would be very interested to hear more about some of the heavy draw decks that you build. I understand how Wini and Amanda (or seekers in general) draw a ton, but for others i generally find drawing pretty anemic.
As a pretty new player (in 2024! imagine!) whose favorite is Winifred, your enthusiasm for her is appreciated! I fully intend to steal your build and churn the deck harder than ever.
Just so you know I'm going to comment multiple time while I watch because I wouldn't remember anything otherwise !
A compelling argument I heard from another cc about rex is that yes you get one deduction per round but what's really good about rex is that you need nothing to make it work . Milan + mag glass and you are set to beat the game on tempo. So you don't need any upgrade to get to his potential, he's super strong at scenario one so you can upgrade into generic busted seeker cards without having to buy his "core cards".
If you look at rex at scenario 5-6-7-8 he's definitely less good than other seekers. But he's so consistently good throughout the campaign and that I think wins people's heart.
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44:43 I recently discovered that as for the f.a.q. if you were to shuffle a card into an empty deck it would be discarded so you don't get the perma weakness as Finn.
Also I think saying Ursula's ability is like rex but better doesn't resonate with me. Rex can use fingerprint kit and burning the midnight oil as well, and I don't see a reason why you would need to do that many times per turn. I think succeeding at a single test by 2 or more is easier (in standard) than succeeding twice . This not counting the fact that Ursula needs to move, but that's trivial in seekers as you mentioned !
That's exactly it, Rex is absurdly efficient with little to no effort. And he doesn't just wins ppl's hearts, he wins the entire freaking campaign almost by himself very often. Certain scenarios, like the Dunwich train one or Horror in High Gear from Innsmouth, are supposed to be trilling and the doom clock dangerous, Rex simply destroys those without even blinking using nothing but a spyglass and a Dctr Milan.
I wonder, is the cc you're talking about Rather Incoherent?
@@Monsieur_E yes! I think he had a great take on this
1:49:07 i think this is the hottest of all the hot takes so far. Lucky cigarettes 3 is SO praised in the community. But it totally makes sense to think this way with the way you said you like to play, drawing your whole deck on every character and such.
Im very interested in decklists for you at this point! Im only drawing my deck in gimmicky characters like amanda, wini, or in very long games.
Id love to see a non seeker build from you for every class that "represent" this style of playing.
Maybe i dont know,
Kimani/finn, any survivor, zoey/leo.
It's a very interesting take on the game !
(finishing this up tomorrow.have been a very interesting journey so far thank you)
thanks for the video, I would love to see more arkham content from you!!!
1:29:58 I'd be interested in you trying some sort of weird build eith amanda and breaking it. Maybe using lot of hemlock vale cards! Just so its not EXACTLY the one you are referring to in the video but a side spin of it. That could be fun
Fantastic vid. Well done.
One thing. I've had huge success with Hank as a damage dealer. I only gave him two pitchforks, then I layed waste with his fists. Using all of his innate damage boosting skills and all of the cards that let me pull those cards out of discard let me put out lots and lots of damage. He almost single handedly tore down the Hemlock House
It was cathartic in it brutality.
how did you handle his elder sign? genuinely curious what the strategy is, are you recurring coats and teddy bears somehow?
Well, I figured since he's was all about tanking and damage distribution, I did indeed load him up with leather coats and teddy bears. But I also gave him a full pack of dogs. They helped quite a bit with soak and damage as well.
Also had ancient covenant on him and had him teamed up with paradox loving Kohaku, so honestly the elder sign thing didn't really come up as an issue.
Oh, can't forget good draw luck.
Mostly pitchforks and meaty fists and dogs. It was a pretty epic scene.
Insightful
My group just ran through The Circle Undone with Green Man Jenny, Delve Too Deep Dexter w/ Charon’s Obol, Will Yorick, and Carson Sinclair. By the end of the campaign Jenny was at 89xp, Dexter was at 61xp, and we soared through that final chapter
i once had a mateo that broke 100 xp at one point in tfa - i think i inserted a bunch of side scenarios to make it happen? i literally ran out of places to put the xp haha
There is now some reasonable tech for getting rid of Finn's weakness. You can make your own enemies with Kicking the Hornet's Nest or Biana die Katz or whatever, and then fish out your weakness with Mr. Rook or Friends in Low Places (Blunder). You can also draw until your deck is down to 6 cards and then Black Market to empty it temporarily so you can reshuffle.
I love this playlist I just finished watching I completely agree with you that loking at different playlist different ways of playing the game is a lot of fun. I will try your style of super drawing for sure. 2:34:59 also Hank seems not only weak bad even more boring than Calvin, you don't do anything you don't have a game plan. Been Good at soak is fun if you are like Lili or Tommy because then you do other stuff but soaking Just you soak is So doll
You know instead of using a house rule to swap their deckbuilding options you could have have Leo use Teamwork to hand his Butterfly Swords to Vicious Blow Amanda.
I strongly encourage you to play Kymani. Kymani is the most powerful fighter in the game. The problem is that people look at Kymani and go, "Oh, they're a flex." No! No they are not. They are 100% fighter. It's ridiculous at how easily Kymani breaks the game for fighters. Literally just breaks the game. Swarm? Easy. Vengeance? Easy. Elusive? Easy. Concealed? They burst through that with the best of them. In every campaign except for Innsmouth, Kymani is the #1 fighter. Their ability to discard enemies is just so vastly superior to everyone else. In a recent HV scenario, there are a lot of victory 0 enemies that you don't want in the victory display. Guess who laughs at that? Kymani.
Kymani does things so incredibly well. They only need a weapon for elites and bosses, so feel free to pack a single big weapon with Underworld Market so you can find it quickly. Stealth 3 is absolutely bonkers in Kymani, as is Dirty Fighting. At its most basic: Use a riot whistle to engage an enemy, evade (1 action spent), fast action to engage, Stealth 3 to evade. You spent 1 action and have successfully discarded an enemy, no matter their hp value. It's crazy good.
I think what Preston does so much better than calvin is lola buying clues.
Also what do you think about spender preston? I think it's more fun than big money, mostly because every rogue can do big money now, and they get more out of their actions as you said . But spending everything without being poor is a lot of fun ! 56:57
1:02:05 holy shit 4 handed is hardcore props haha
Ah, Daniella. My hot take is that leaning fully into her ability with cards that benefit from you being attacked is Bad, Actually. I think this is partly stubbornness on my part, and I think some of these cards are probably Good, Actually but my general feeling is it's a bit underpants gnomes; it just ends up being enemy management with more steps and less good. She *has* enemy management built in, it's right there on her card, I don't necessarily think you need to go too much further down that route.
I've run her a few times and found the most success with her as a general Mythos tank over a pure enemy manager, which means a combination general cancellation for effects like Ancient Evils, passing Brains or Fists tests, or taking damage or horror on the chin and healing back up with your Survivor allies. This makes her a good partner for strong offensive but weak defensive characters; I'm going to chuck out Roland and Trish of examples of characters who might be like this? It's a team role I think Gloria (who my buddy insists is the most mechanically powerful character in the game) fills too.
For building, I actually went with exile in one build with her and grabbed Fortune or Fate (doom cancellation) and Deja Vu (and Alter Fate), that seemed to work pretty well. Weapons I just take, like, 2 meat cleavers and 2 survival knives and I don't worry about upgrading them. However: I always struggle with card advantage in her, and I end up with 2 or 3 turns where I'm taking everything from the mythos on the chin, giving the rest of my team additional actions to build tempo... and then I grind to a stop and end up clicking for cards every turn. You can't really leverage survivor recursion to get those useful level 0 Guardian events back (Let Me Handle It and First Watch), and you're sort of stuck spending 6xp on 2 Nothing Left to Lose.
Anyway: I'm not an expert by any stretch! Great vid, thank you!
Additional thoughts on Vincent: I have played him and have him be absolutely wild BUT the big caveat is this was in partnership with Mark. I think this was basically one 60 card self perpetuating Mark deck, and as we know Mark *already* goes brrrr.
this is probably a better imagining of daniela than i have heard elsewhere, it's just then it's like..... her ability isn't actually helping you do the thing you're trying to do with her? i could do that build just as well with stella. better, actually, probably.
@@amberautumnfaebrooke I really rate Stella, so 'you can do it better in Stella' isn't something I would disagree with about a bunch of gators, plus Stella over Daniella can ultimately be built in a number of different directions too.
I guess my headline is: Daniella's ability stops you needing to tech into more damage because she has auto damage on her card, and also don't be tempted to go all in on triggering attacks because there are better cards for your deck. I mean it's not a pithy headline, sure
Would you mind showing some of your decks? I have a hard time imagening how a Level 0 character can draw his whole deck every single turn.
yeah, i did a little write-up of that winifred here! to be clear, i do mean "drawing your deck every round" by the end of the scenario, you won't be really going at that rate until you have your pickpocketings and cigarette cases out, but she does definitely get there by the end of the scenario (although, you know, obviously you shouldn't NEED quite that much to win the scenario, but it is quite fun to do) arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3635012
Also, do you play Hard with only the chaos bag or also the scenario card on Hard/Expert-side?
And I'm even more intrigued by your Winfred level0 and end of campaign description, I'd love to see a playthrough of a scenario with her. If takes too much time maybe a deck on arkhamdb would be much appreciated, I'd like to give it a try. Thanks in advance!
i play real hard, with the scenario card on the hard/expert side! that's honestly the much harder half making the game hard.
i will maybe do a winifred stream at some point - someone requested a game of 4 of my s-tier investigators and that could be fun! in the meantime though, i threw together a wini deck on arkhamdb, take a perusal, tell me if anything in there surprises you!
arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3635012
Thanks! Looks like a flex deck. I'll give it a try soon for sure! I have to stop being afraid of Rogue and their low Willpower stat.
@@amberautumnfaebrooke Nice guide on WIni. There's a few cards I would not use but it is a deck that will do good in scenario 1! There's just something I think you are doing wrong tho. You said you use Lonnie every round to heal the horror you get from cycling but for Lonnie to heal the horror you have to also be able to heal the trench coat. Because if there's no damage on the coat you can't activate her ability. This is because of the rule on ability and choosing target. When an ability ask you to choose a target (in this case an item asset) the ability has to change the gamestate of the chosen asset to be activated. So Lonnie can heal an item even if there's no horror on her but she can't try to heal an undamaged item to heal horror on her.
from the rules:
Target
The term "choose" indicates that one or more targets must be chosen in order for an ability to resolve. The player resolving the ability must choose a game element (usually a card) that meets the targeting requirements of the ability.
-If an ability requires the choosing of a target, and there is no valid target (or not enough valid targets), the ability cannot be initiated.
-If multiple targets are required to be chosen by the same player, they are chosen simultaneously.
-An effect that can choose "any number" of targets does not successfully resolve (and cannot change the game state) if zero of those targets are chosen.
-A card is not an eligible target for an ability if the resolution of that ability's effect could not change the target's state. (For example, an exhausted enemy could not be chosen as the target of an effect that reads, "choose and exhaust an enemy.")
the fourth dash is the important one! If you already knew that just pardon me!
@nicmichaud7868 i know, you just have to find a way to take a damage every turn. i normally find it's not actually as difficult as you'd expect! forcing an AoO, taking a treachery, using any one of a whole bunch of scenario effects, it's actually a very common thing for scenarios to do to you. you won't actually get it EVERY round but i do find i get to trigger it more often than not!
Can you do a supplment video with the parellels, grandma, and suzy?
Would be suuuper into watching the 20-handed Blob!
I just got Insmouth and I cant wait to try sister mary. Any recommendations for a good duo with her? Im not going to play the hammer i promise
depends who you have available in your cardpool, but assuming you're playing two player... you want a primary clueverer who can handle a lot of enemies in the early scenarios. some who would work for that: winifred, stella, finn, trish, jacqueline, wilson, alessandra. actually trish is probably pretty ideal.
@@amberautumnfaebrooke thanks ! My card pool is everything including return To's, except :dream eaters TSK and hemlock vales .
Trish seems fun ! Too bad she has no sinergy with bless, but it seems like blessed is mostly fighter oriented as a whole archetype..
A Little low on the audio for us podcast-listener that bike around.
Crack it up a tiny bit next time :)
Damn right Akachi is great. Just because she is boring for most others. doesn't make her bad.
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So, i dont optimize, like at all, i play with my girlfriend and she doesn't even like deck building so i make both of our decks so that they are powerful enough that we win at standard.
But oh boi.
Blind run through edge of the earth Daniella DESTROYED the campaign. I was running monterey jack and getting clues at a bad pace as one does as Monterey. But the damage output she could put out was ridiculous. I love that you could run aquinnah that is basically a meme outside of Daniella, and her signature asset is just insanely powerful from scenario one to 8.
I built her with simple survivor weapons, upgrading to fire extinguisher 3. Point is she doesnt need good weapons to be a great fighter. She can average tons of damage and has plenty of way to survive through those times were her efficiency is not as high as other guardiands, because she is super resilient as a survivor. I think with a larger access to guardian cards she'd be the broken paladin tommy wish he was.
But
I played her only once
So that could have just been an outlier experience
Also she was a super fun puzzle for my girlfriend to figure out, like how do you optimize here damage output in a turn using her ability, aquinnah, not dieing and such. Really good suggestion for beginner players i think!
1:45:51 i never thought people think badly of Harvey, i think he's just insanely powerful, a lot stronger than daisy in my eyes !
Rita is exceptional in true solo
I think you just don't like Rex, he is absurdly efficient at doing his job (so much so he needed a taboo to become a little less efficient at it), the ability to pick one extra clue isn’t low on Seeker's list, it's what Seekers are designed to do. You compared it with Daisy, Daisy jumps through hoops to get extra clues every round, Rex just does it. And every card you mention she can use to investigate better Rex can also use. He investigates better than any other investigator in the game even with a very basic deck. I think your problem is more with the fact his ability is not flashy, it's consistent and efficient but does nothing to change the way you play the investigator. Non tabooed Rex is probably the best investigator in the game (aside from building combo decks that simply negate the whole game), tabooed Rex is top 5. I also strongly disagree with Jenny in D, she isn't unplayable, she isn't even really bad, she is just super average, especially with the 2024 rogue kit. I wouldn't say any of the other D's are unplayable either only untabooed Lola is, the rest of D should be C imo.
I didn't play Hank yet, but that seems nuts to me that he is on D. Like with 1 Leather Coat and 1 Cherish Keepsake he can soak 12 damage and 10 horror, that'd leave him with 1 HP and 1 horror, he is a 11 HP, 9 Horror investigator (in the 6 fist form) before soak, he should be unkillable. Ye his ability makes you want to take damage, but maybe you were leaning too much into taking damage? And seeing how you don't like Daniela either, the playstyle might not be for you. I also think the first form has to probably stick around for over half the scenario, maybe 2/3, seems like it’d be an uphill climb if he transforms too early. Maybe he is just weird when I play the guy, and I agree with you about survivor weapons being horrible, but ppl are hyping him so much, it'd be very disappointing if I run him and he falls as flat as you described.
i mean taboo rex is picking up what, like an average of 5 clues per round maybe? if you're playing on standard and your basic xp pieces are in place? i'm just not sure what is is about rex that's supposed to be skyrocketing me to absurd efficiency! his stats are underwhelming, his deckbuilding is pretty low on the scale of seeker deckbuilding, his signature event is fine, all he really gets is +1 clue per round, most other seekers give me more value than that!
i think part of this also is that i do play on hard and that 4 int is a genuine problem rex has to contend with, i don't see him as not needing to jump through hoops, he just has different hoops to jump through.
i don't know, i'm willing to be told i'm wrong, if there's a particular deck or playtgrough video where he blows your socks off i'm willing to look at it, i just. i don't currently really. buy it.
@@amberautumnfaebrooke First I'm sorry, I'm not trying to tell you are wrong, I’m just presenting my arguments.I didn't mean to offend or anything.
I play on hard as well (half the time, when I'm solo 2 handing, with my family we play standard in bigger groups) and I have played him on hard. He picks whatever every other seeker does, because he can play all the same assets and skills, plus 1 per round, even on hard. I’d say tabooed Rex, in a weird way, plays to his full potential better than untabooed when on Hard, cause out of three investigations (or more depending on what you are running in your deck), getting one to succeed over the target difficulty by 2 is rather easy. When ppl say he is a deduction every turn, that's cause he kinda is, my fingerprint kit would get me 2 clues, but hey I'm Rex so it got e 3, my Divination would get me 2, but hey I'm Rex so it got me 3, my normal investigation + Deduction would get me 2 clues, but hey I'm Rex I get 3, its pretty much he gets the same amount of clues everyone else does plus 1 and all you need is a very basic 0 XP increase your book deck. The thing is he is super-efficient without needing any XP, any specific deck build, any skill, any knowledge, nothing really, he is just efficient out of the box.
I agree that best-case scenarios favor other investigators, and your list was very geared towards that it seemed, I just think it's not the best way to rank investigators cause best-case scenarios require a lot of building, XP, knowledge, trial and error, and even then sometimes everything blows up in your face. Rex is kinda like Tonny, in that they exist to do one specific thing and they do that way too efficiently without even needing a proper set up.
And what I said about the D tiers is because you said your D means "unplayable", I don't think any investigator is unplayable even on Hard (on Extreme maybe, but I guess we can all agree Extreme kinda shorhornes ppl into playing specific kinds of decks), I mean I've ran a Jenny on Hard successfully, was it easy? No, but it worked, she did what she was supposed to do. My opinion on even Skids is that he is bad but not umplayable, Lola pre taboo would be the only one cause her weakness is a death knell.
Fucking love your takes.
Very fun video thanks for your takes! And please bust Amanda open I'm still intimidated by her!
Agnes' ability can be triggered once per phase, not round. She's a machine gun, I'm shocked she wasn't higher than average.