Noise and Experimental Music Is For Everyone (feat. Dreamcrusher)
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Dreamcrusher is a rising star in the world of noise and experimental music. Here our host Linda Diaz meets up with them to talk about their sound and the diverse history of experimental music. From artists like Sun Ra and Julius Eastman to musicians like Wendy Carlos and İlhan Mimaroğlu. We also got to see a socially distanced, life changing Dreamcrusher performance.
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Different perspectives.
Sounds like a...
- plane crashing for over an hour
- world being born
This is why music is magical. The right combinations of sound and audience equals magic ❤️
When I was researching all types of music I came across noise music. I was inspired to compose my own music. I became an artist. Now I compose music for movies, and television. I admire everyone of these artists, because they are all my inspiration. Thank you.
This is exactly why noise and the Avant-garde music is so amazing. Just being able to make what ever you want is just the most free experience possible
mad props for delving into more niche music and the talented artists who create it-- this is why I love Sound Field!
Thank you soooo much this means a lot to us.
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From pet sounds no less
Japanoise isn't a genre, and the artists have frequently have mentioned their distaste for the title. Merzbow, Hanatarash, Incapacitants, Hijokaidan, and The Gerogerigegege are so different in ideals and sound
I agree, Japan definitely is an important place for noise though
The Gerogerigegege are my favorite noise band, although Masonna and Merzbow are right up there as well!
yamataka eye and boredoms, cool artists. its more a show of the creative outlet these people have rather than a music show
Keep doing great things and pushing the boundaries, Sound Field! Rooting you guys on 🧡
Love you Nahre!!!!!
You haven't quit SF forever, right? Be great to see Nahre, LA, and Linda all in one ep.
@@MisterAppleEsq yes!!!!! we need to make that happen.
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Dreamcrusher's EP "Incinerator" is absolutely incredible and everyone should listen to it
Back in the 80's, I was in a lot or regular metal bands, and punk bands. But they just.. weren't "punk" enough for me. All of them just had the same damn elements, a drummer, a guitar player, a bassist, a singer. It was... BORING. That's what drove me to start experimenting with tapes. I started out using cassette tapes, a stereo, a couple of boom boxes, and a cheap Radio Shack tape recorder for recording. I didn't even have a mixer. I would just make these tapes, and cut tape loops together, stack the speakers in different formations on top of the microphone, and just blast the stereo and other tape players into that microphone at the same time. It created this.. wall of noise and strange distorted rythms, and I was literally the only person I knew who enjoyed it. Even the punks were like, "What the hell is this crap?". It was too extreme for even them. I didn't know it at the time, but I was creating what they called, "Industrial Music", back then. I had no name for it. I called it, "Sound Collage". I did this for years until I got my first PC in the early 90's, and on a dial-up BBS, I discovered this sound recorder/editor called "Blaster Master", and a tracker program called ModEdit. This opened up a WHOLE NEW door for making noise and industrial tunes for me. One thing that I used to do all the time was take random computer files, and rename the extention at the end to .VOC, or .WAV. Those files, when the audio edior thought that they were audio files produced so many amazing happy accidents (and sadly, you can't do that any more. Computers are just too smart now. You can re-name that file extention, but good luck getting a sound editor to load the thing without saying, "This isn't an audio file.". They somehow detect a difference between audio files and regular files now, no matter how you re-name that extension. Then I discovered Circuit Bending, and that added to my sonic insanity. And the latest thing that REALLY is a godsend to any noise/crazy sound artist is this free progam called VCV Rack, which is pretty much a virtual, massive Eurorack simulator. I can get that thing spewing out craziness that would give Merzbow a run for his money.
In Audacity you can use *File -> Import -> Raw data* to convert any file to audio. Might be similar functionality in other software too. 👍
that's so cool. do u have any of your music up online?
You should look up an artist named Isochronic Miner. He is an industrial rapper who makes his own beats and their amazing.
I used VCV Rack lmao.
That sounds exciting. I love changing sounds around too. When you add sound effects they sound so beautiful. I love composing music.
I just want to say thanks to Dreamcrusher for doing this with us. It was amazing and they are an amazing person. Check out their music on bandcamp! dreamcrusher.bandcamp.com/ Also don't forget to hit subscribe and if you'd like more footage go to our patreon
i'm stunned by the clips of dreamcrusher's performance. i can't say i like the sound of the music, but attending one of their shows must be electrifying - the lights, the sounds, their dancing... like a whole new dimension.
I never heard of this type of genre before and it's always great to explore the depths of how far music has gone.
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YES! I love Noise and Experimental music. They get a bad rap from people who aren't used to them, but there's genius at work. I also needed to know more about the LGBTQ+ and black noise scenes, so thanks!
Thanks for watching and commenting Christian! Hope you'll dive even further
For further exploration of both in the avantgarde scene, check out Plack Blague, Backxwash, Venus Selenite, (jazz), Lotic, etc. You probably know Arca.
was hoping Sound Field would cover experimental styles
we got you!
The work you guys are doing --not only as musicians but also as musicologists-- is amazing. *Applause*
Thank you for recognizing us holographer. We appreciate you
This is big facts!
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Jean Michel Basquiat in his band "Gray". is always overlooked in noise music.
I really enjoyed this piece, as a lover of this kind of music, but I have my criticism. I don't think the authors of the piece excluded these points out of malice, but they are overlooked points which would have added to the richness of this story.
There's a token mention of Psychic TV, but then no delving into frontperson, Genesis P-Orridge, who was a queer person. Nor is there mention of h/er previous project, the seminal Throbbing Gristle, which also included Peter Christopherson, who was also queer (gay) and one half of another experimental band, Coil (with his partner Jhonn Balance). Psychic TV gets thrown in as "another white noise band", but diggging a little deeper and talking about Throbbing Gristle and Coil would have told of the deep queer roots of experimental and noise genres, even if they were white people.
Then there's how dub was left out of this piece, and is a huge part of the black roots of experimental music (cEvin Key of Skinny Puppy and Download fame has attested to this), especially when talking about the development of techniques in using the studio space as an instrument.
Just something to consider.
What about Metal Machine Music? Lou Reed was lgbt and was doing noise music back then, and even put it in the mainstream for a sec.
Dreamcrusher is iconic. So happy they got this opportunity!
Dreamcrusher is the future!
really opened up a rabbit hole for me this is great
Yessss this is exactly what we want!
yes! i have like 7 new tabs open and a handful of playlists and albums to listen to cause of this
@@sh-bp4iw That's so perfect, I really hope our episodes inspire y'all to dig deeper
Mimaroglu is the BOMB!!! Haven't ever heard him mentioned outside of my old composition seminar.
Let's look at class as well as identity. There's a wealth of interesting and crucial shit to get into looking at the 20th century avant garde through a class lens. Mimaroglu understood this deeply and founded his own recording company under Atlantic to distribute music outside of the hegemonic academic avant garde of the time with labels to like CRI et al.
If people are down, his record 'Sing Me a Song of Songmy' with Freddie Hubbard is the most politically explosive and musically hypnotic record that I know of
Wow this is fascinating Campbell Umbers thanks for sharing!
@@SoundFieldPBS pleasure! This is an interesting book looking at civil rights struggle and improvisatory music. That record is spoken about specifically. Thanks for the great work as ever! books.google.com.au/books?id=Ijq2AgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA269&ots=x95ctDXEqV&dq=mimaroglu%20fierce%20urgency%20of%20now%20improvisation%20social%20practice&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q=Mimaroglu&f=false
Very glad to see ‘Sing Me a Song...’ mentioned! I was flicking through the comments to see if it had come up yet. I think it’s a vision of what music could be - politically and in its sonic exploration - and yet I find so little that parallels its scope. String section, choir, organ, jazz ensemble, spoken word and musique concrete tape manipulation - plus words that capture the horrors of the time so incisively. I’m constantly hunting for more music that can match that!
Was blessed to see Dreamcrusher open for clipping, I didn’t know who they were before hand, they performed in the crowd the whole time, and now I’m a fan for life what can I say
WHAT that sounds like an insane show, wish I was there
I highly suggest to anyone to go to a noise show. I wasn't a fan of it until I went live.
Being in a space that forces you to feel music in places in your body you shouldn't feel music is exhilarating.
I didn't ask for noise music video, but I'm so glad some people did
Luwayne is a treasure - had the pleasure of meeting them in Queens. One of the most genuine, sweet people ever. I was right in the front row when they grabbed my shirt collar and did not let go until it ripped.
“Kids are a lot more vocal in Philly.”
Thank you for putting over the Philly noise scene
Dreamcrusher and PBS in the same video is the weirdest combo I've ever seen
Dreamcrusher deserves the WORLD
I agree
It's always nice to see Dreamcrusher and this type of music get some shine. He's been killing it for a while.
Good lookin', Sound Field
*They’ve been killing it…
Dreamcrusher is non-binary.
@@averydelacruz5267 You're right. My apologies 🙏🏿
@@ThaddeusBigsby 👍🏼💯
12 years!?!? How old is this spectacular artist?
Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw DREAMCRUSHER in the title, they are so blissful 💝
DREAMCRUSHER FOR LIFE! Dreamcrusher has helped me through some really tough times, one day I hope to see them live! Thank you x
I hope you can see them live too. Filming this episode was incredible and seeing them perform was really special. My whole body was vibrating for a week it was so loud. It's definitely life changing to exist in a dark foggy room while listening to the sounds of a planet being born.
First thought PBS was a joke but they are killing it!
I am so glad you took a moment to look into Noise.I know it’s not for everybody but you might want to check in from time to time because there are a variety of people doing a variety of things. Noise can be your friend.
You were a world builder and just like a sweet projection of love
Thanks soundfield for researching all the things you do it helps as a young musician to help my own research
hell yea we do
lol you edited your comment and now my response doesn't make sensee! but you're welcome! much love
Sound Field I mean y’all do the research so it kinda does lol
@@JLMSC309 haha you're right. Thanks for watching!
I'm curious how artists like Dreamcrusher feel about styles like Grindcore that on one hand reject the traditional notion of what music is while, on the other, being based on very usual instruments and arrangements
YEAA MERZBOW and MELT BANANA!! Japanoise and japanese indie was an oft-explored niche in the online message boards of the 2000s/2010s e.g. rym, last.fm, etc. and the actual irl scenes that existed deeper in the genre. Love that Dreamcrusher was on here to draw that lineage out and expand it for the next gen - there has never been more noise than in todays era!
Curious that they single out the Moog synthesizer as a "breakthrough" for experimental musicians, as a Buchla is much more geared towards the avant-garde and or a more experimental approach to composition. Also, it's kind of hard to imagine any straight-ahead noise musicians being able to even afford Moog musical gear, even in this day and age.
I'll be completely honest: I almost got done with this video and simply moved on, but I decided to check out Dreamcrusher. There's a lot of artistry and talent going on in their songs that isn't put on full display in the few clips in this vid. So if you're like me and getting dismissive feelings, seriously, check out the music. There's a lot of interesting things going on in it.
I notice yall didn't do the "we make a ___ song" segment on this one 😂😭
Thank you for highlighting these artists and covering so much ground in this video. I'm sure some will be unhappy with this and say you missed things or explained things wrong, but for people who are not so interested in this area of music, this will introduce them to a lot of the core movements and some interesting underrepresented figures.
Thanks so much Conor Ellis! Not paying attention to the haters today, just spreading love and positivity.
Boredoms is another important noise band. Great stuff.
Boredoms is probably my favourite band! Some of their tracks are so goofy that they made me burst laughing and their thirst for weird structures and sound research was incredible.
Besides I'm a HUGE fan of anything Yamatsuka Eye does (music, DJ, artwork...)
daaang i requested this all the way back in January! I'm so glad to see that others also wanted to see this come to fruition!! this was great thank u
Yesss thank you! We really read every comment and love every suggestion
I’ve been making noise for over a year and didn’t realize there was this much to it. Pretty cool
That's awesome that you've been making noise. thanks for checking this out
Distortion is my favorite audio effect
Long live Sound Field! Hope we get to see more of the experimental side of styles, it is a good way to get to know international artists in our favourite genres. From my side of the Equator, I'd invite y'all to check the work of Brazil's Tom Zé and the late Sivuca. Cheers from São Paulo ✊
Thanks for these recommendations this is great! Also thanks for watching :)
I found this very interesting since I had no idea that this was out there. While it will probably not become my favorite any time soon, it will influence how I think about music.
Thats awesome Susan and such a great perspective
I've been a fan of experimental music for a long time, but I've only recently begun to seriously recognize how white my listening habits are and the problem of whiteness in general in these spaces. Just the fact that I'd never heard of Ben Patterson before despite knowing about Fluxus for years is evidence enough of that. Thanks for reminding me how much work still needs to be done, and how much great music there is to discover!
(also thanks for introducing me to Dreamcrusher specifically -- sounds like their music is right up my alley, and they also just seem like a great person to be around!)
This was really beautifully put. Thank you so much for watching and commenting Patrick!
As a young gay trans girl making noise-adjacent electronic music, this video means a lot to me. Thank you for making it!! :)
Edit: Oh my gosh you talked about Wendy Carlos!! She's a personal hero of mine
yay i'm so glad you liked this video!
I wish content creators would give meaningful responses instead of flat out ignoring the comment to just say "Glad you liked it!"
It's really patronizing the way every PBS presenter treats their audience.
I read every comment and each one means a lot to me, even the negative ones. How would you expect us to respond?
@@solchapeau6343 bruh calm down!! i appreciated the video, they appreciated my comment, i appreciated their response. it's chill!! i think it's cool they responded at all tbh
Yo I have Wendy Carlos' Switched-On Bach album on my wall; found at a Goodwill, picked it up because I loved that cover, discovered a genre because of it. 👌
Also thank you for boosting Dreamcrusher and this whole genre 🤘
That's incredible. a truly well curated wall
Don't forget her synth-based A Clockwork Orange soundtrack, that was arguably "out there" for the time.
I'm a huge fan of noise. Merzbow and The Gerogerigegege are some of my favorite artists of all time. Thank you for making a video on this extremely important art form!
@Sound Field Thank you for this amazing episode. Watching this has made Dreamcrusher become the most inspirational and influential Artists to me within minutes!!! In fact, they have helped me shape my sound and has push me to further represent myself as an Experimental Queer Black Artist and I will have an EP or LP out in the near future. Hope y'all show more episodes like this and hopefully y'all will be talking with me! Blessings, Y'all!!!
Dreamcrusher is so awesome! Never heard of them before this video and now I have mad respect for their process in making music and their impact on the noise genre!
noise is arguably the most inclusive community in underground music. there is no regard for a specific race, gender, clothing style...etc. and that's because the main focus is just getting lost in the sound, the noise itself. one of my favorite things about noise as a genre is the complete lack of beats/melody (and hopefully politics) which only distract you from the transcendent possibility of enjoying sound free from the conditioned way we listen to music or dialogue, it's a new way to listen to something...it's a much needed escape from all the stuff that seeps into majority of the mainstream entertainment and information we consume on a daily basis...including rhythmic structures and strict ideologies or constructs.
It's cool to see a video like this from PBS. I saw Dreamcrusher open for KTL (an experimental/drone project) at Le Poisson Rouge in 2019: at first there were some chopped-and-screwed vocal samples and I didn't know what to expect, but then it got SUPER intense, like being blasted by an unrelenting, unpredictably-morphing flood of sound. I've seen other noise acts like Melt-Banana and Wolf Eyes live, but Dreamcrusher was the most mind-blowing experience by far.
I listen to Johnnascus, and this is what he mixes in his music.
The history of this genre is so interesting
This rules. I didn’t know about dreamcrusher, I love their stuff now, love at first listen. Awesome to hear people talking about Julius Eastman too, underappreciated avant-minimalist genius
This is awesome, and cool to see Melt Banana get some noise on here, an awesome group just as groundbreaking as Sonic Youth
Also, I'd be curious about the splinter between more the traditional noise rock of Sonic Youth, Melt Banana, early Blonde Redhead, etc and the much more avantegarde harsh noise artists like Merzbow.
Yeah... I don't know why they say most noise has been focused on white dudes. When I think noise, the first thing that comes to mind is Japan.
I totally did the same shit with the trial version of FL lol if i wanted to work on it again id just export all the stems
Hahahaha sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
If you explore experimental music again, I would recommend Ornette Coleman and Derek Bailey as some unique pioneers
Free Improvisation deserves its own series of epiodes.
I saw dreamcrusher back in September maybe, in Manchester UK. They were amazing.
to wear a mazzy star shirt and be performing like that is a fuckin mood. Almost every topic on this vid is a whole rabbit hole to dive down, which is insane!
Lad seems like the nicest person
Dreamcrusher are the absolute best, love seeing them getting props
They deserve it. Their art is genius
Y'all really caught me in the middle of breakfast, but whatever I'm here for the noise~
Snack and watch! what a great opportunity
I'm surprised Ornette Coleman was not mentioned.
Love this episode! Thank you for pushing our music boundaries
Ayyyy I love Dreamcrusher!!
WE LOVE DREAMCRUSHER
Every damn Sound Field episode, without exception, becomes a favorite re-watchable journey. There is no other YT channel where I gain more with each and every viewing.
Some episodes immediately become old friends, such as the Vogue (Ballroom) episode, which shares more joy and expressiveness than I had thought possible for any YT video. I love knowing such a community exists, and has such great people and music to celebrate. I also love what it did inside my head, forcing me to reconceptualize that Madonna song, something I previously would have thought impossible.
Other episodes help me learn more about my own musical tastes and preferences, by making connections that help bridge my internal contrasts. I still don't know why I love all the music I do, but I now know that it knits together, where the opposite edges of my fabric may have very different colors, patterns and textures, yet are solidly connected by a web of fascinating history, collaborations, influences and culture. For example, Nahre's episode on the role of improvisation in classical music totally blew me away.
Sound Field is especially relevant and important to me during 2020: Every episode feels like I'm sharing music with friends. While I can't presently do this in IRL, Sound Field truly is the kind of musical conversation I enjoy most. You, the Sound Field cast, crew, staff and especially guests, are the kinds of folks I'd like to share a concert with, then spend the rest of the night talking about it. Thanks!
You could make me cry BobC. This is why we make this show. It feels good to know that even though some people might not get what we are trying to do, there are those out there that it's resonating with. Thank you for sharing this message with us.
Great documentary. Next do one on Show Me The Body. They are friends with dreamcrusher and often do shows together
That's a great suggestion Cyrus!
I saw Show me the body live, it was one of the most intense experiences I've had.
I didn't really know about noise music but it's cool as.
I love how with a genre as abrasive and niche as noise you guys can show it is not a cis hetero white hemegenous entity, but so much more diverse in action and origins! Sound Field is the best!!!!!!!
CJ it's always so welcoming to see your response. Thanks for watching as always
loving this! shouts to Dreamcrusher and Geng
What's up! Thanks for checking it out
This is very cool I'm big fan of Sun Ra and other avante garde musicians. Also Linda Diaz is very cool looking forward to her doing more shows.
Next episode you guys should cover 70s progressive rock and the extremely talented artists and bands such as ELP, Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull who made progressive rock in the 70s! (Loved this episode btw)
who's Linda, I thought our host is l.a.?
1:46 sounds like white christmas
Yessss!!! Lu changed my life the first time I saw them perform. What a legend
Lu is an amazing artist and one of the kindest people. So glad they changed your life
@@SoundFieldPBS yes! great video btw :)
Another wonderful video - and another genre that I had never heard of nor listened to before! A fascinating set of ideas - I will be thinking hard about this music for a long while!
Sonja Johnson thank you! I always look forward to hearing from you after each upload.
@@SoundFieldPBS ahhh I am blushing!
L. A. You’re such an inspirational teacher!!
Thanks Elijah!
Excellent documentary! Great introduction to Noise Music and to an incredible artist.
YES! This episode lives up to the potential this series always had to correct who is remembered in music history. Thankyou!
I don't know if they have already talked about this but... What is the "indie" genre nowadays? Since now literally anybody can make music on their own, these independent productions can't be really considered "indie", can they? So how did "indie rock", "indie folk", "indietronica" etc, became a thing? And is there "indie metal"? I was discussing with a friend whether Grimes, Arca, Sophie and PC music could be considered "indie", I think they can be considered "alternative" but not "indie"... What do you guys think?
Damn. Deathcore and Metal should take notes on this dude
OOH! This episode gave me an idea. How about an episode on turntablists like DJ Q-Bert?
GREAT video! Thank you guys so much for covering this!
Thanks for watching Ruxinator!
That first sound of the door opening at 0:00 needs to be sampled! Shits dope!
super, SUPER cool to see dreamcrusher on here!!!
Sound field is one of the best internet shows and shows every.
They expose me to artist I have never heard of but I found this dream guy and it’s amazing
Thank you sound field
Thanks for watching Shrimpy_! We really appreciate you. I just want to share that Dreamcrusher is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. Keep making music and keep memeing :)
Absolute legend
an icon!
I was hoping this would focus more on the actual music.
I love noise but like, the music is just 99% distortion, there’s not too much to talk about there
i remember meeting dream crusher at a crystal waters concert for gay pride in cowtown wichita kansas. swag
wow being able to see crystal waters live sounds life changing
dreamcrusher is amazing
5:55 they have the best line
I love that this is here and will hold my tongue about the corrections I want to offer because the positives overwhelm everything
This is bonkers. Keep it up lad!
I’ve never heard of this genre before, thanks Soundfield
That's what we are here for! thanks for watching Joseph?
That's wild! Thanks for the introduction : D
You're welcome Mark Davis I hope this is a kicking off point for more exploration
Many interesting artists on display - thank you! :)
I did really miss a mention of Stockhausen and Ligeti, though - they were absolute pioneers of both noise music and experimental electronic music. Also, "IDM"/"Breakcore" would have been a really great fit - talk a little about " from complexity" (Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, Venetian Snares, Richard Devine)... and maybe the partial roots and connections to post-rock. So much interesting stuff here. But of course - limited time in a video.
I certainly get why a reaction to "wow, you're such an anomaly" has to be "no I'm not - look!" - and appreciate that you're making that point. Great stuff!
At the same time - and maybe that's just my Western-European surroundings talking - nobody in the circle of friends and acquaintances I share & discuss music and go to concerts with has ever been bothered by or even interested in the birthplace, skin-color, gender or sexual orientation of an artist - and especially in the electronic and experimental music scene, the feeling had always been "hey - you just do you - express yourself!" - (though musical snobbery still abounded). So for me, electronic and experimental music have been (similar to theater) a "place" where during my lifetime, it really didn't matter what your skin-color, gender or sexual orientation (etc.) was - people engaged you for what you did artistically, not for any of those things.
So... I get that there are groups where that message "hey, PoC and LGBTQ+ people in experimental music are nothing new" is needed or useful to reiterate. But for someone who has never experienced it mattering to anyone I know what color or orientation an artist was, this does feel a bit like making it about identity again where it shouldn't be... just because of the amount of time in the video that is spent on identity. But as I said - I know that not every circle of people doesn't care about these things for art, so the message needs to be put out there. I hope it's still understandable why making a video about an art-form almost more about specific group-identity instead of the art-form feels kinda wrong to me (especially given what didn't make it into the video about the history of the art-form and its connections to other subgenres).
Still - all the respect for Dreamcrusher and all the people involved with this video. Love the info and the message of acceptance and inclusion!
Nice to see this. I've been doing noise and experimental music since the early 90's as well as punk stuff.
Currently working in Eurorack modular synths and have many videos on my channel.
Also just did a set for Norcal Noisefest a couple of weeks ago as well as in previous years live.
Cheers fellow POC explorers of the avant garde! keep it going!