Fist of the North Star Retrospective part 2 (re edit)

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  • The second part of the FOTNS retrospective edited so it can be showb.

Komentáře • 86

  • @elijahfyffe5176
    @elijahfyffe5176 Před 4 lety +28

    Toki and Time are in reference to how Toki was on "borrowed time" his clock was ticking as the radiation slowly killed him.

  • @TheSunsRay
    @TheSunsRay Před 2 lety +6

    The intro is so hard , awesome.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 2 lety +2

      Hahaha! Finally, some love for the intro. Ya'll have mostly been negative. It's good to hear something nice about it!

    • @TheSunsRay
      @TheSunsRay Před 2 lety

      @@snkeveryday6240 have you ever see the translation to " you are shock" or whatever it's called. The translations are like a prayer.

  • @SpScarletSpider
    @SpScarletSpider Před 5 lety +33

    Looking back, I don't know if Kaioh was ever *meant* to surpass Raoh's popularity or importance in the story. He's meant to be similar to Souther more than Raoh, I feel. While Raoh was definitely more charismatic and willing to fight for his ideals on the battlefield with his men, Kaioh deliberately kept himself hidden in the shadows (he viewed himself after all, as a demon), use manipulation and cowardly tactics, and hardly ever showed an ounce of humanity for anyone besides himself. He killed his own sister to manipulate Hyoh into fighting with Kenshiro because he was hoping Ken and Hyoh would kill each other, took Lin for himself because he wanted an heir that was of the Hokuto and Gento bloodlines (willing to probably even rape her to have a child with her). Kaioh essentially represents the worst within humanity, and more specifically, what a man should be. It's only until Kenshiro decides to really break him down like he did with Souther, do you see Kaioh's humanity emerge.
    Like with Souther, Kenshiro dismantles the demonic aspects of Kaioh, as Kaioh starts to lose his armor as the battle goes on, and begins to fight more honorably once he realizes he can't defeat Kenshiro in a cowardly or manipulative fashion. You start seeing flashbacks regarding Kaioh's past, and you start seeing what started to break him mentally, from losing his mother to being forced to hide his potential so Hyoh could be the successor of the Hokuto Soke style, etc. etc. Kenshiro realizes that the tragedy of their origins was what caused Kaioh to become the demon Kaioh rather than Kaioh the man. Because of Hyoh and Kenshiro being trapped inside of a burning building (not sure if it was just Ken), Kaioh lost his mother, and eventually because Jukei sent Raoh and Toki with Kenshiro to Ryuken, Kaioh lost his brothers, including the brother he was closest to, Raoh; because of this, Kaioh had to devote his life to serving Hyoh. Ken realizes this, and feels partly responsible, since what happened to Kaioh could have very well happened to him. He gives Kaioh a merciful defeat in turn because to Kenshiro, Kaioh was a family friend led astray.
    This is why when Kaioh asks Kenshiro why Ken would show him mercy, Kenshiro says "because you were once a friend too." We end up seeing this in action once Hyoh dies in Kaioh's arms, and he reverts back to a child-like state. Kaioh's death is kind of similar to Raoh's and Toki's in that he died as a man standing up on his feet, but it's a death brought upon by shame rather than by glory (Raoh) or out of peace of mind (Toki). Kaioh is just meant to be a shameful part of the history of the Hokuto Soke, as had he been given equal treatment to Hyoh in terms of successorship to the Hokuto Soke and Ryuuken styles, he may very well have stayed on the side of good. Story-wise, not many knew of him unless they were in the land of Shura (which is China in the HnK world), and given how secretive he was, I doubt anyone really knew his true origins that he didn't already kill. As for the fanbase, I think a lot of people tend to draw a lot of comparisons between Raoh and Kaioh, and don't realize that both characters are completely different characters in their own right in terms of origin and motivation.

    • @suohmikoto4711
      @suohmikoto4711 Před 4 lety +7

      Very well said

    • @laurencejones4947
      @laurencejones4947 Před 2 lety +1

      Huh

    • @synx5196
      @synx5196 Před 2 lety +3

      Wow... you explained exactly how I feel about kaioh and didnt know how to express

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 Před rokem +2

      Fittingly the final villain, Bolge, is an absolute monster similar to Zeed.

    • @fogblades6811
      @fogblades6811 Před rokem +1

      Late to the party: I actually think that Kaioh is the literal embodiment of the Post-Apocalypse. Cold-hearted, Unfeeling, and Unwavering Dread that makes life hell for those who are unfortunate or weak to survive it.

  • @mrmanju6989
    @mrmanju6989 Před 2 lety +6

    HNK2 is some of my favorite anime series. I wish that some plot elements were changed, but I loved the island of the Shura, Kaioh, Shatchi was a cool character, the entire Shura culture was cool and coulve been explored alot more. I also prefer the rocky terrain and sea settings to the singular desert wasteland backdrop. I noticed that they always made the sky cool colors in HNK2. Tons of scenes with purple, orange, yellow skies. Fun shit

  • @JalekokRespawn
    @JalekokRespawn Před 5 lety +9

    Great to have this back.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 5 lety +1

      Nice to hear from you again JalekokRespawn. Yeah, it's back, as hard as it was to take out some of the best scenes.

  • @askanison2266
    @askanison2266 Před 5 lety +13

    Yesssssssssssss!!!!! Thanks so much for bringing this back.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 5 lety

      Of course man, just sucks I had to remove some of the best parts.

  • @donaldstuckiii
    @donaldstuckiii Před 5 lety +6

    By far my single most favorite manga/anime story. I've seen all the parts to your retospective but have been re watching them they are so good and I thank my lucky stars that finally someone sat down and took the time to really give it the in depth look I believe it has been deserveing.
    And also I agree juza sucks so so glad raoh gives it to him.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 5 lety +1

      Hey, thanks for the nice comments. I am always glad to hear that I'm not the only one who hates Juuza! Haha

  • @haiasieel6099
    @haiasieel6099 Před 5 lety +10

    Such a great retrospective. Your work is greatly appreciated.

  • @GothamKnight84661
    @GothamKnight84661 Před 5 lety +8

    Dammit Toei! Glad you got part 2 back just intime to cebrate 35 years of Fist of the Northstar.

  • @InfernosReaper
    @InfernosReaper Před 5 lety +20

    Gento arc was a bit of a stretch, in credibility, but not that much of one. It just needed to be fleshed out a little better. It seems like the goal was to express that Shinken & Nanto were allied specifically to deal with other comparable forces, like Gento. Meanwhile, Gento strikes once they learn of how badly ravaged Nanto & Shinken have been by the infighting and Jako's rise to power in the Gento lands.
    The Asura arc *could* have worked if it didn't try to shoehorn in a villain with ties to Raoh & Toki and have Kenshiro be part of a fated Hokuto bloodlines feud. If Kaioh had been the long lost brother of Kenshiro, Souther, or even Jagi, it would've worked well, since we didn't have an established background for their childhoods other than "orphans adopted to learn a martial art."
    *Souther's brother would've been perfect, because you could still keep all those lines about a "foolish brother who was vanquished because of love" and it would make a lot more sense than spouting them about Raoh.
    *Imagine if Jagi had a brother who could actually fight well. It would really highlight just how much Jagi's failings are his own fault. It would also show what the fight against Jagi *could* have been like if Jagi didn't have his entitled mindset.
    *Hyou was fine enough as a #2, but could've been great as a #1. Hyou vs Kenshiro had a lot more weight than Kenshiro vs Kaioh, even though that was the harder fight. It kinda stole a lot of the thunder from the Kaioh fight, which tried to have emotional weight but fell a bit flat.
    Also, that 1% male survival rate from fighting only seems to apply to men who chose to be warriors, which explains the "rags" people and doesn't even seem to be consistently applied or might have just be a myth to scare people. Hell, the masked Asura initiate(s) might just be elites who guard from invaders and the rumors of them just being trainees is just to scare off would-be attackers.
    That would've been a fine explanation for that initial explanation that wasn't supported by what we would see past the coastal area.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 5 lety +5

      Wow, that's interesting, I hadn't even thought about that. Souther's brother, hmmm? Yes, I agree that would work a lot better. Still there is the idea that he has the imperial blood running through him and he seemed to be raised alone with that old master of his, but still, that would work a whole lot better than Raoh's older brother.
      I mentioned this in my second FOTNS vlog but Buronson's favorite character is Jagi. So a Jagi that could actually fight would also be a better twist.
      Haha, yes, a 1% male survival rate is just wildly inconsistent with the people that you see just milling around Shura who do not seem to be warriors, and that is kind of my point about things being a little double-edged and not fully-fleshed out. Still though, FOTNS is a gem to me because it is its own unique thing in a manga/anime world where everything is so pre-packaged and cookie-cutter.

    • @SurelyYewJest
      @SurelyYewJest Před 3 lety +4

      @@snkeveryday6240 Interesting that his favorite character is Jagi. They did a great job of making him so eminently hateable and irredeemable. Jagi was such a self-destructive and corruptive though short-lived demon but he commanded enough of a presence in the few short episodes he was around that he is nearly as memorable as Toki, Raoh, or Shin.
      As far as the 1% thing goes, ya, how would a nation even function like that? How would rebels like Rock's gang have survived in a world of absolute zero tolerance for anything outside Kaioh's cult of personality? How did Hyoh's #1 serve with distinction and respect Hyoh so much in spite of his evil if he was more kind-hearted and compassionate? Even with Hokuto Ryuken, how does a hot-headed and amateurish hot shot like Shachi survive hand-to-hand battles in a place where super-elite fighters are the *baseline* opponent? Lots of questions.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 3 lety +4

      @@SurelyYewJest Haha, that 1% survival rate always gets me. As you said, lots of uncomfortable questions. I hate to have to say it so often but turning off your brain is sometimes the only way to enjoy anime! LOL

    • @artansadiki3244
      @artansadiki3244 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@SurelyYewJesti mean...IF we are asking these kind of questions, we can ask the two most obvious ones.
      Where does Kenshiro get all of his shirts from, and why is everyone in a destroyed postapocalyptic world with scarce resources a 8 ft Bodybuilder?

    • @SurelyYewJest
      @SurelyYewJest Před 4 měsíci

      @@artansadiki3244 These are the questions of our time.

  • @MetaKnuxXbeats
    @MetaKnuxXbeats Před 5 lety +14

    Was hoping this would not be gone forever. Damn copyright claims

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 5 lety +4

      Yeah, they're a pain. And completely automatic.

    • @Unknown-xx7ft
      @Unknown-xx7ft Před 4 lety +1

      @@snkeveryday6240 Any chance you gonna get to part 7? Since you still seem to be pretty active atleast. Also if you do wanna conclude the series with the games I highly reccommend FoTNS Lost Paradise. It's story is lackluster, but it's non-canon anyway and the game itself is great with a lot of callbacks and references to the series. Especially great if you like the Yakuza series because it's the same devs.

  • @ARYANJCE
    @ARYANJCE Před 2 lety

    I’ve watched this series multiple times man fire retrospective

  • @stevenreyes7779
    @stevenreyes7779 Před 2 lety +1

    Despite hnk2 problems I still really enjoyed. Especially the parts with hyoh (i still tear up when he remembers kenshiro)

  • @theowl2134
    @theowl2134 Před 3 lety +1

    underrated anime and one of my fav

  • @chrisdooley6468
    @chrisdooley6468 Před 4 lety +2

    How do you not have more subscribers or views? I don’t understand the quality is superb! I’m really enjoying the retrospective so far. I first watched this on Fuji TV when I lived in Kobe City and actually learned Japanese thru this show lol. Great job👍🏻

  • @SurelyYewJest
    @SurelyYewJest Před 3 lety +3

    HnK 2 had issues with over-the-top survivability of Kenshiro and Falco (impaling by car-size spears to the chest, cutting one's leg off by choice in a world where hospitals and modern medicine don't exist), the tacked-on supernatural aspect to Lin's character and the Celestial Emperor, Lin even as an adult reprising her role as flag to be captured and saved, etc. But its biggest problem in my mind was how it set up Shura and the characters that were sacrificed to force the rest of this second series to its end.
    Falco going from a man facing down/turning away Raoh and the ultimate warrior of Gento Kouken, to a man barely able to beat the first literally nameless Shura warrior he comes across was one of the worst excesses of the writer(s). Falco had soooo much more potential and was just tossed aside out of convenience. The tragedy was not what happened to him in the story; it's what happened to him before the art cells were even drawn. The rest wasn't terrible; it just wasn't as deep or flowing as the first series.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 3 lety +2

      Falco was a good character and had a lot of potential. It reminds me of what they would often do in Dragonball where they would set up a supervillain throughout a long series, then at the beginning of the new series they would have someone come in and blow them away immediately to show how everything has leveled up (i.e. Trunks comes out of nowhere and blows away a mecha-Frieza). They wanted to show that Shura was a step up even if it didn't make logical sense.

    • @realamericannegro977
      @realamericannegro977 Před 11 měsíci

      The Falco bit is one of my biggest grips. They could have atleast gave him a sickness that was slowly killing him rather than that nameless Shura bs.

  • @djsdesignsandcustoms4779

    Fist of the North Star should be at the top along with other anime’s . Just to let you know fist of the North Star open the doors for other anime’s later on in the future if it wasn’t fist of the North Star other anime’s that we all know today would not be exist.

  • @djehutymehal3861
    @djehutymehal3861 Před 4 lety

    This retrospective series is awesome
    Thanks for your work

  • @Loader2K1
    @Loader2K1 Před 2 lety

    Some points:
    -On the unfinished English release of the manga version of _Fist of the Blue Sky_ ( _Soten No Ken_ ) by the now-defunct Gutsoon Entertainment, Nobuhiko Horie is credited as the writer and Buronson was credited as the advisor.
    -If I'm not mistaken, the name "Toki" also means "aura." I'm probably just reaching, but I think that might be a play on Toki being a Christ-like figure in the world of _Fist of the North Star_ (_Hokuto No Ken_ ). Also, "Ryuken" literally translates to "dragon fist" or "dragon sword".
    -On the subject of _Hokuto No Ken 2_ : Maybe Buronson, Hara, and Horie ran out of ideas? At the end of the day, the franchise is basically _Mad Max_ meets _Mortal Kombat_ , except the characters that get killed stay dead, LOL.
    Great video.

    • @realamericannegro977
      @realamericannegro977 Před 11 měsíci

      I heard they wanted to end it at Roah but thr popularity made them stretch it. Great ending still. I feel like Ken should have married Lin. Bart didnt deserve her so they basically gave a bs reason why they end up together.

  • @turtleanton6539
    @turtleanton6539 Před 2 lety +1

    Giving your eye is like odin

  • @SpScarletSpider
    @SpScarletSpider Před 5 lety +2

    Also, regarding the Hokuto Soke bloodline; I imagine that the reason why others who weren't part of this bloodline were taught Hokuto Shinken or Ryuuken was out of a need for training partners, or in the event that someone from the Hokuto Soke bloodline couldn't measure up to the mantle of successorship or if the Hokuto Soke bloodline ended in some way. Koryu, Jagi, Han, Shachi, Jukei, etc. aren't part of the Hokuto Soke bloodline, for example. All that said, the actual martial arts of Hokuto Shinken and Ryuuken need to be passed on no matter what, so those strong enough or those that have potential are still required for the arts to be passed on down to the next successors. The way the successorship for these martial arts work, the Hokuto Soke bloodline will still be the most favored, while the others are an insurance policy to keep Hokuto Shinken and Ryuuken alive.

  • @gort3969
    @gort3969 Před 2 lety +1

    Series 2 was just as good if not better then 1

  • @allenyoung3088
    @allenyoung3088 Před 5 lety +2

    It’s great to see this back up again. Now I have two questions: 1. What are your thoughts on FoTNS: Lost Paradise? And 2. What do you plan to do for the remainder of this series. As always it’s a pleasure seeing your content on my feed, and I hope you can continue to spread the legacy of Hokuto No Ken.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 5 lety

      Hey man, to be honest, I am not aware of Lost Paradise and it seems I need to keep improving my knowledge. And as for your second question, as I have said to others, please be patient as I only seem to have enough free time for video-making in the summer. The plan for the final two episodes is: ep7: video games and ep8: comics and the future of the series. Cheers.

    • @allenyoung3088
      @allenyoung3088 Před 5 lety +1

      snk everyday I hope my comment didn’t give the impression of my rushing you. Because I’m just really happy that you’re active again and I understand that it takes time to create content and to work it around your daily life. So I’ll be patiently waiting and supporting you to the end. And as far as Lost Paradise is considered, I’d say it’s pretty stellar. The gameplay, the story, and the characters are what’s expected of FoTNS. Even if there are little quirks and nitpicks I have with the game. But I’m still interested to see how the continue the story of their universe and add some more fan favorites. So I’d recommend picking it up when you have time. As always I hope you’re doing well and I patiently anticipate for your to continue wrapping up the series. Peace and blessings.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 5 lety

      @@allenyoung3088 Hello Allen, no, I didn't get that impression. I appreciate the kind words and I will definitely come out swinging in the summer.

  • @lamiatorchani7648
    @lamiatorchani7648 Před rokem

    Fist of the Blue Sky, which features real-life countries, is the prequel of Fist of the North Star

  • @austinreed7343
    @austinreed7343 Před rokem

    About there being more fighting styles, volume 1 also had Rakan Niohken, a style that was said to be banned. Most of the Nanto schools are also only seen in expanded universe content, to be fair.

  • @g1la12
    @g1la12 Před 3 lety +1

    The time with toki’s name could be alluding to his limited time left living

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 3 lety

      Someone else mentioned that and I suppose it is possible but I am very doubtful. If that is the case, why is it only Toki whose name is somewhat ethereally connected to him and absolutely none of the other Hokuto brothers are? Also, the word for time as Westerners might conceptualize time in one's life or the flow of time is the word JIKAN. I just don't think it really has an underlying meaning.

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 3 lety

      Someone else mentioned that and I suppose it is possible but I am very doubtful. If that is the case, why is it only Toki whose name is somewhat ethereally connected to him and absolutely none of the other Hokuto brothers are? Also, the word for time as Westerners might conceptualize time in one's life or the flow of time is the word JIKAN. I just don't think it really has an underlying meaning.

    • @g1la12
      @g1la12 Před 3 lety

      Also is there a link to the intro?

  • @justvort2322
    @justvort2322 Před 3 lety +1

    YOU ARE THE MAN

  • @fergusmckee
    @fergusmckee Před 4 lety +1

    Great video no one seems to mention how the remastered version ruins the original colours making everything too sharp and diminishing the atmosphere of the original 86 movie

  • @mercifulalient.v750
    @mercifulalient.v750 Před 2 lety

    The intro song to this, is my lllllliiiffffffeeeee😩😭😭😭

  • @ottoman7017
    @ottoman7017 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for reupload

  • @rec7614
    @rec7614 Před 4 lety +2

    Yo when is part 7 coming out?

  • @zeoinfinitneospace2134

    Without the Shonen Jump editor idea he should be the third creator of this he should be the writer instead of an editor, the writers and artists owns a lot to him, lot of seinen manga owns a lot to him, without him there's no one punch Man series

  • @turtleanton6539
    @turtleanton6539 Před rokem

    Cool😊

  • @opheliadarkthorn
    @opheliadarkthorn Před 8 měsíci

    Please can anyone tell me the name of the song in the intro? I love it...

  • @artkid1117
    @artkid1117 Před 3 lety

    Hello @snk everyday, much respect for you sir. I think you have a great job for your series of Retrospective. If I might add, you never mention the songs of HNK. Without those HNK wouldn't as good as they are. Hope you agree. Best of luck

  • @lamiamekni2802
    @lamiamekni2802 Před rokem

    Seeing special moves/Sure-Killing Arts (必殺技, Hissatsuwaza) that are exclusively in Japan, even outside of Japan really annoys me

  • @antonydrossos5719
    @antonydrossos5719 Před rokem

    Personally (and I'm likely not alone) I disagree with the notion of anime characters not actually being Japanese. It's noticeable in manga & anime that a character meant to be a foreigner will be drawn to look extremely different from the majorly Asian cast 12:37 Case in point (Leme tell ya, brotherrr!). I do get the exotic naming of the characters, though. I was under the impression that the names were possibly meant to invoke imagery of ancient Chinese warlords.

  • @freewilliam93
    @freewilliam93 Před 4 lety +2

    You wa shock!
    This show has a lot of esotericism in it.
    And Japan sided with the nazis cause they see themselves as caucasian....really using the asian part of the name.

    • @geokaker9630
      @geokaker9630 Před 4 lety

      that sounds like some next level larp shit

  • @nazaren45
    @nazaren45 Před 2 lety

    👌

  • @orangecrush1208
    @orangecrush1208 Před 2 lety

    I think hokuto no ken is in the an alternate real world, cause most of the countries are real, except Shura,

  • @komujimaru
    @komujimaru Před 5 lety +1

    talk about juzza he was as strong as rah at one point

    • @snkeveryday6240
      @snkeveryday6240  Před 5 lety +1

      Well, ... I do talk about Juuza in my FOTNS vlog (part 1) but fair warning: I don't think you'll like what I have to say about him.

  • @JayDee284
    @JayDee284 Před 5 lety

    Glad to see this is Back Up Bloody Copyright btw have u played Lost Paradise on PS4 its easily the Best FOTNS game too dated it does have its problems Story is kind of Weak it wastes Souther pretty badly & there's no Ai wo torimodose part gets a lot right it sure makes u feel like Ken :)

    • @taraishot100
      @taraishot100 Před 5 lety

      I reckon that fighting game that was on ps2 was the best fotns game it was so good

    • @JayDee284
      @JayDee284 Před 5 lety

      @@taraishot100 its a good game but it doesn't really make feel like Ken.

  • @zeoinfinitneospace2134

    So wait a minute they reference Star Wars huh I knew something funny was that old man. In volume 3 of the end that old man was wearing a cloak and is very similar to Obi-Wan Kenobi's cloak huh what a weird coincidence 🤔🤨

  • @smoov-e8830
    @smoov-e8830 Před 3 lety

    Man i wanna know the name of the opening music in the beginning

  • @lamiatorchani7648
    @lamiatorchani7648 Před rokem

    Asura in Japanese is Ashura (阿修羅) or Shura (修羅)

  • @NostalgiNorden
    @NostalgiNorden Před 4 lety

    They took all characters from Rocky 3-4 haha

  • @user-ge9jr3vo7q
    @user-ge9jr3vo7q Před 2 lety

    😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

  • @NoName-hd1jb
    @NoName-hd1jb Před 5 lety +1

    22:00

  • @realamericannegro977
    @realamericannegro977 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I wonder if the new hokuto no ken anime will fix some of what fans complain about. I love it either way .

  • @realamericannegro977
    @realamericannegro977 Před 11 měsíci

    One thing about Hokuto no Ken is that the 2nd half seems to be more influential than the end of the first half

  • @realamericannegro977
    @realamericannegro977 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Akuma is a rip off of Kaioh and The Hulk is a rip off of Roah, especially World Breaker Hulk.

  • @saintjamesent.866
    @saintjamesent.866 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Bruh. "Time" has nothing to do with Toki? 😂 yep the man on borrowed time with the nuke cancer. 🧓