I'm a 40 year old veteran rhythm games player. I used to enter DDR European competitions over 20 years ago. I tried playing djmax online and got my as kicked. Those players are hardcore and on another level
TBH, I feel like modern Rhythm Games like DJMax, Muse Dash and OSU kind of keeps the genre alive steadily which allows sub genres of it to fluctuate and have a chance at trying like Deemo, Voce, Groove Coaster, Heck Rhythm Doctor too.
Good video but as someone who has been playing rhythm games for over 20 years I don't think we can blame Activision for its decline. Konami completely neglected the western market. They could have kept it going
activision released 14 guitar hero games from 2007 to 2010, they made games that looked and played the same and charged 60 bucks people just stoped caring about it, that's why people say they killed the genre
@@genshinlover123 Triple A games now focus on milking successful hits until it dies. They don’t bother to evolve it. I’m trying to find games as fun as Hi-Fi rush and so far I’m not impressed.
As much as I love rythm games and really want to get this the always online DRM is what kills the deal for me. My internet can by iffy at times so not being able to play offline is a huge issue.
such a great video. you really nailed the flow between topics and i thought your commentary was insightful. i picked this game up the other day and am excited to get into it! cheers
I got introduced to rhythm games in march thanks to djmax respect V. The game & the songs are so fun no matter how many times I play them. My only problem I'd say is the inconsistency of the performances (freezes, fps drops, desync) as well as the always only DRM as you mentionned. Not being able to play the game offline and even worse, having problems with the SOLO mode if your connection isn't that good shouldn't be a thing at all. Other than that, I still love this game and I'm happy to have played it for so much hours.
well while i dont play DJMax i already play Osu!(who hapens to be Kinda Triple A in upcoming Client Codenamed "Osu!Lazer") and altough it was far from perfect at least it was my 3rd Biggest Rythm game that made me back to that genre oh btw my 1st and 2nd was Konami's DrumMania when i was a 5 y'o child and Pump It Up when i was in my early Middle School
Great video review! Amazing touch to add a brief history of the game and the Konami lawsuit. Two key points I want to add: 1) It's available on Xbox Game Pass 2) Xonic is a similar game worth noting (I remember it had some DJ Max influence or devs too)
DJ Max used to be a f2p online game for the pc before it was ported over to mobile game devices. So it could be said the online drm stuff is just a continuation of its roots...
I came here because I wandered upon DJMAX RESPECT V on Steam and wanted to see what it was all about. I've come across many rhythm games in my area of Japan at the game centers, but this game looks so stylish, and it has sooooo many DLC to choose from, including one featuring League of Legends characters or another with ultra cute designs from Muse Dash, which really piqued my interest! Thank you for the video, I may have to try this game out!
this video is really concise and really helped me decide if i want this game, and personally, while i do think the "constantly online to avoid piracy" shtick is always lame, i personally dont see it as a deal breaker? unless it actively gets in the way of actually experiencing the game in the future, and for some reason cant be removed if/when it gets to that point it will mostly just be an inconvenience, at least to me, anyways great vid
I'm shocked you don't have more subs and views considering the general production quality of these videos. Definitely not 300 sub material lol. I recently got into rhythm games via a bout with a few mobile ones on a trip and another attempt at Osu once I got back. This is one I've been eyeing but I've heard... mixed reviews I spose. The DRM is a massive pain in the ass, and that issue compounded with a $50 pricetag as well as any DLC I would opt to get down the line. I also worry $50 could be too much considering how basic it is. I do know basic isn't bad, but it's a lot of money for something that could probably be serviceably replicated by a great many cheaper options, albeit at a quality cost I'm sure.
I was first introduced to this series on the PSP when I couldn't afford any games and relied on free demos to kill time. It's always been a bit difficult to get my hands on various releases of DJMAX (not only due to the absurd anti-piracy you mentioned). I'd head some negativity towards this version, but I really enjoyed your review and decided to pick it up while it's cheap on Steam :) thanks!
I play got into Mania Rhythm style from Friday night funkin'. The thing i'm questioning myself is if it's worth buying this, i barely tried playing with more then 4 keys. (I got into Osu!Mania too). I see this as an opportunity of jumping in higher diffs. My basic level rn is around 4 stars in 4 keys but i believe this will get me really satisfied with everything since, it has all of the gamemodes. Even the rank, i don't really bother if people are try harding. But seeing like, a rhythm game having a battle pass for example and actually have to grind for stuff, like aside pp or an grade on a song, it's something new in my opinion to me, something that can keep me on the track for a long time, i saw there are seasons and stuff, a lot of dlcs but that's not the problem. Hopefully my thoughts on it are correct and btw, thanks for the video, i watched more reviews but i only found yours good in my POV. :)
They have pretty easy 5 , 6, and 8B modes too so you can practice on those as well. And the DLC tracks are great fun too, even without keysoubded tracks.
Kind of a weird question, but does the game have a skin or setting to visually indicate what beat the note is landing on? So for example, in Step Mania, downbeats, upbeats, 16th notes, and triplets are all different colors. Some games I know of have a other different ways, but I find that most rhythm games don't have anything of the sort. Does this game have anything like that?
was really hyped to get this game to play on steam deck. But the DRM is leading me to think of less favorable ways of obtaining the game if any yet exist.
The worst part about DRM bullshit like that is that pirates will always find a way to either bypass or remove it completely, so the only ones suffering are those that actually buy the game. As Valve once put it and has been proven to be right again and again: The only way to stop piracy is to offer a better service
Which is a funny quote, because it aged badly. Modern Valve is so out of touch with their players that they'll, for example, drop OS support, because they relied on Chromium for the base of their client, instead of something else. Extra funny, because the fat man supposedly hates anything that forces stuff on you or is difficult to work on e.g. PS3 architecture. Valve has sold out a long time ago, they don't care anymore and nor do most consumes. Thanks for reminding me why I had this game as "ignored" on my Steam. I wanted to buy the GFL pack, but likely won't do so now.
Was looking forward to get into Beatmania for years, but been still a line on my ToDoList... so that kindof rhythm games was new to me, and being able to play it on Steam is a blast for me and I still see myself training on DJMAX for months. But I cannot disagree with the cons mentioned(DRM, price of DLCs. the steps of difficulty on mission mode... Personal notes: no practice mode and game can be pretty laggy at times even on Freestyle)! The only commercial alternative for a Western PC gamer atm is EZ2On and the visuals and soundtrack seems less appealing to me, imao... OSU have a huggGGGGeeee community fanmade songs that I find very overwhelming and less didactic to get into(they made a very good jobs on difficulty ranks on DJMAX which is motivating personally). So yeah... was new to those Beatmania rhythm game, so no shame to admit my dupe side :P Nice to have a veteran's opinion on it!👍
I'm a complete newbie to beat games with this style of gameplay, with the only other title I have ever explored being OSU. This game has been refreshing, I may not be playing on hard-mode difficulties, but I can max combo most normal mode songs, and have been exploring into slower 'hard mode' difficulty maps. OSU I played competitively, and I was pretty good at it - but DJMax Respect I bought to just chill out and relax to. Some of the controls were confusing in the beginning, and how much is locked behind a paywall was daunting - but so far this game has been a very good experience, even with just the base game. The only things I could think to add, would be: A "Non ranked no fail" option, for practicing, or an option to slow advanced songs down (with a score reducer) for rhythm practice.
Ah yes, Activision, famous producer of the Rock Band franchise. But of course! Seriously though, it's Activision's fault for guitar hero's part and EA for Rock Band.
I bought the game today and thought that the always online thing wouldn't be that bad only to be disappointed when I played it on the Steam Deck. NOT an ideal experience because if you wanna stop and put the system to sleep, trying to play will greet you with a black screen, at least in ny experience. I also tried launching the game in offline mode only to be greeted by an error message, which left a bad taste in my mouth. Needless to say, I requested a refund shortly after. I have no patience for this BS nor will I deal with it. It's a rhythm game, ffs. Guess it's back to Project Diva till I find a better rhythm game. Edit: XIGNCODE3, really? Might as well install an actual malware at this point because at least an actual malware doesn't always pretend that it benefits me somehow, and tell me that "hey, I'm here to destroy your PC".
Always-online is a glorified rental, even more so than your regular digital purchase. Steam DRM isn't horrible, you can use Steam it offline mode indefinitely, but in the end you still need Steam to run most games bought on there (some are DRM-free) and they could theoretically be taken away from you. But this game's always-online scheme is just plain stupid. Add to that the anti-cheat and yeah, it's pretty damn bad.
does it have the same problem as OSU does? where all of the music is absolute weebtrash that i can't stand? are there songs that aren't just dumb weeabu anime waifu songs about love and friendship and anime OP type stuff? because if it's only weebtrash i'm gonna stick to osu cause it's free and i can just download music i don't completely hate
It has it’s own share of cute pop and etc. but there are a lot of different genres of music such as techno, melodic trance, RnB, hip-hop, rock and DnB. I would recommend you to listen to such songs as Rain Maker, Outlaw Reborn, Enemy Storm (original thought, not remix), Fancy Night, Renovation, Back to life and My Jealousy. This list with songs of quite different genres but still it’s better to just find and listen to whole ost and then decide)
Always online is a massive deal breaker for me. I tend to play games on the go, rarely at home. A shame since I've poured so many hours into the PSP games, I was looking forward to this one.
![Evolution of DJMAX games [from 2004-2020]](/img/n.gif)
always online thing is a deal breaker
I'm a 40 year old veteran rhythm games player. I used to enter DDR European competitions over 20 years ago. I tried playing djmax online and got my as kicked. Those players are hardcore and on another level
TBH, I feel like modern Rhythm Games like DJMax, Muse Dash and OSU kind of keeps the genre alive steadily which allows sub genres of it to fluctuate and have a chance at trying like Deemo, Voce, Groove Coaster, Heck Rhythm Doctor too.
Nice recommendations, thanks!
Good video but as someone who has been playing rhythm games for over 20 years I don't think we can blame Activision for its decline. Konami completely neglected the western market. They could have kept it going
activision released 14 guitar hero games from 2007 to 2010, they made games that looked and played the same and charged 60 bucks
people just stoped caring about it, that's why people say they killed the genre
@@genshinlover123 Triple A games now focus on milking successful hits until it dies. They don’t bother to evolve it. I’m trying to find games as fun as Hi-Fi rush and so far I’m not impressed.
As much as I love rythm games and really want to get this the always online DRM is what kills the deal for me. My internet can by iffy at times so not being able to play offline is a huge issue.
such a great video. you really nailed the flow between topics and i thought your commentary was insightful. i picked this game up the other day and am excited to get into it! cheers
I got introduced to rhythm games in march thanks to djmax respect V. The game & the songs are so fun no matter how many times I play them. My only problem I'd say is the inconsistency of the performances (freezes, fps drops, desync) as well as the always only DRM as you mentionned. Not being able to play the game offline and even worse, having problems with the SOLO mode if your connection isn't that good shouldn't be a thing at all. Other than that, I still love this game and I'm happy to have played it for so much hours.
well while i dont play DJMax i already play Osu!(who hapens to be Kinda Triple A in upcoming Client Codenamed "Osu!Lazer") and altough it was far from perfect at least it was my 3rd Biggest Rythm game that made me back to that genre
oh btw my 1st and 2nd was Konami's DrumMania when i was a 5 y'o child and Pump It Up when i was in my early Middle School
i bought this game like a month ago, and it was the one that made me get how fun rhythm games are, since i could never get into them before
I agree. A story mode would be awesome.
Great video review! Amazing touch to add a brief history of the game and the Konami lawsuit.
Two key points I want to add:
1) It's available on Xbox Game Pass
2) Xonic is a similar game worth noting (I remember it had some DJ Max influence or devs too)
Awesome, looks fun. Coming to xbox GAME PASS this month!!!! looking forward to checking this out as it's my first DJ MAX game.
DJ Max used to be a f2p online game for the pc before it was ported over to mobile game devices. So it could be said the online drm stuff is just a continuation of its roots...
I came here because I wandered upon DJMAX RESPECT V on Steam and wanted to see what it was all about. I've come across many rhythm games in my area of Japan at the game centers, but this game looks so stylish, and it has sooooo many DLC to choose from, including one featuring League of Legends characters or another with ultra cute designs from Muse Dash, which really piqued my interest!
Thank you for the video, I may have to try this game out!
this video is really concise and really helped me decide if i want this game, and personally, while i do think the "constantly online to avoid piracy" shtick is always lame, i personally dont see it as a deal breaker? unless it actively gets in the way of actually experiencing the game in the future, and for some reason cant be removed if/when it gets to that point it will mostly just be an inconvenience, at least to me, anyways great vid
One of my friends showed me this game on his Pc one day. Found it was very fun, and so when i got my pc recently I bought it immediately
I'm shocked you don't have more subs and views considering the general production quality of these videos. Definitely not 300 sub material lol. I recently got into rhythm games via a bout with a few mobile ones on a trip and another attempt at Osu once I got back. This is one I've been eyeing but I've heard... mixed reviews I spose. The DRM is a massive pain in the ass, and that issue compounded with a $50 pricetag as well as any DLC I would opt to get down the line. I also worry $50 could be too much considering how basic it is. I do know basic isn't bad, but it's a lot of money for something that could probably be serviceably replicated by a great many cheaper options, albeit at a quality cost I'm sure.
personally i bought it on sale for super cheap and I'd wager if you were on the fence mainly due to price buying it on sale might be worth it?
@@jamdeluxe7456 I did nab it during the summer sale. It's very fun. Definitely has its own mapping style, which was nice to see.
This video convinced me to buy this game. Thanks!
Chilling listening to cool tunes and pressing buttons❤ 100%
Got that cash flow! get it! ready! blast off! 🔥
I just discovered this game, it's nice, I went from O2jam to Krazy Rain to this now, I'm happy with it
I was first introduced to this series on the PSP when I couldn't afford any games and relied on free demos to kill time. It's always been a bit difficult to get my hands on various releases of DJMAX (not only due to the absurd anti-piracy you mentioned). I'd head some negativity towards this version, but I really enjoyed your review and decided to pick it up while it's cheap on Steam :) thanks!
Now we have a " muse dash " DLC!!!
I have a question, I really want this game but, is it a series? As in will this get discontinued and replaced by some 2nd game
I play got into Mania Rhythm style from Friday night funkin'. The thing i'm questioning myself is if it's worth buying this, i barely tried playing with more then 4 keys. (I got into Osu!Mania too).
I see this as an opportunity of jumping in higher diffs. My basic level rn is around 4 stars in 4 keys but i believe this will get me really satisfied with everything since, it has all of the gamemodes. Even the rank, i don't really bother if people are try harding. But seeing like, a rhythm game having a battle pass for example and actually have to grind for stuff, like aside pp or an grade on a song, it's something new in my opinion to me, something that can keep me on the track for a long time, i saw there are seasons and stuff, a lot of dlcs but that's not the problem. Hopefully my thoughts on it are correct and btw, thanks for the video, i watched more reviews but i only found yours good in my POV. :)
They have pretty easy 5 , 6, and 8B modes too so you can practice on those as well. And the DLC tracks are great fun too, even without keysoubded tracks.
8:59 the odd touchscreen arcade game technika LMAO
DJMAX was around before 08 as an online game. And I’m pretty sure Technika was the result of that lawsuit. They settled out of court I think.
Fuser was released semi recently and is an amazing rhythm game. It has lost regular updates, though.
Kind of a weird question, but does the game have a skin or setting to visually indicate what beat the note is landing on? So for example, in Step Mania, downbeats, upbeats, 16th notes, and triplets are all different colors. Some games I know of have a other different ways, but I find that most rhythm games don't have anything of the sort. Does this game have anything like that?
It doesn’t unfortunately. Just have to feel the song. It does have lines that indicate where the “1” is but that’s about it.
This game is very fun! which I do love the songs they have for this game also :D
The note ghosting constantly isnt visible in the game right?
was really hyped to get this game to play on steam deck. But the DRM is leading me to think of less favorable ways of obtaining the game if any yet exist.
I love the base game but around 500€ of DLC content is just too much 😭
I just bought this game and then saw that it had a muse dash dlc pack. And I love playing muse dash so I bought that. They are downloading right now
I am a DJMax Technika Player. is this Respect V recommended for me?
The worst part about DRM bullshit like that is that pirates will always find a way to either bypass or remove it completely, so the only ones suffering are those that actually buy the game.
As Valve once put it and has been proven to be right again and again:
The only way to stop piracy is to offer a better service
Which is a funny quote, because it aged badly. Modern Valve is so out of touch with their players that they'll, for example, drop OS support, because they relied on Chromium for the base of their client, instead of something else. Extra funny, because the fat man supposedly hates anything that forces stuff on you or is difficult to work on e.g. PS3 architecture. Valve has sold out a long time ago, they don't care anymore and nor do most consumes. Thanks for reminding me why I had this game as "ignored" on my Steam. I wanted to buy the GFL pack, but likely won't do so now.
@@sourcedasher windows 7 and 8 support is ending and it also means that if steam is running on unspported os, there is a security risk.
@@justarock9553 "security risk"
Tell me you're technologically inept without telling me you're technologically inept.
Was looking forward to get into Beatmania for years, but been still a line on my ToDoList... so that kindof rhythm games was new to me, and being able to play it on Steam is a blast for me and I still see myself training on DJMAX for months. But I cannot disagree with the cons mentioned(DRM, price of DLCs. the steps of difficulty on mission mode... Personal notes: no practice mode and game can be pretty laggy at times even on Freestyle)! The only commercial alternative for a Western PC gamer atm is EZ2On and the visuals and soundtrack seems less appealing to me, imao... OSU have a huggGGGGeeee community fanmade songs that I find very overwhelming and less didactic to get into(they made a very good jobs on difficulty ranks on DJMAX which is motivating personally).
So yeah... was new to those Beatmania rhythm game, so no shame to admit my dupe side :P Nice to have a veteran's opinion on it!👍
You should look into quaver
human play do you think that a new djmax game will ever be released?
I still think that DJMAX Respect V is still "new." So not anytime soon, as in maybe not in the next few years.
I'm acting the PS4 version and I'm just mad I can't play K/DA's Popstar.
I'm a complete newbie to beat games with this style of gameplay, with the only other title I have ever explored being OSU. This game has been refreshing, I may not be playing on hard-mode difficulties, but I can max combo most normal mode songs, and have been exploring into slower 'hard mode' difficulty maps.
OSU I played competitively, and I was pretty good at it - but DJMax Respect I bought to just chill out and relax to. Some of the controls were confusing in the beginning, and how much is locked behind a paywall was daunting - but so far this game has been a very good experience, even with just the base game.
The only things I could think to add, would be: A "Non ranked no fail" option, for practicing, or an option to slow advanced songs down (with a score reducer) for rhythm practice.
DJ Hero and Rock Band would be nothing without Parappa The Rapper. You should check that PS1 classic out.
play it on 1.25 speed thank me later
You have attention deficit disorder or something?
O2JAM
great video plz continue ., and yes the drm in this game sucks and made me to refund the game ,
this game has weird chat censoring. Like Con is censored, Mond is censored. Weird ass censoring in AIR chat
this game is 60$ for me... and a dlc is 10$. is it like that for everybody else?
No way
Ah yes, Activision, famous producer of the Rock Band franchise. But of course!
Seriously though, it's Activision's fault for guitar hero's part and EA for Rock Band.
Bro how t f is this game 60 gbs
Look at the DLC section lmao. Over $600 dollars worth of DLCs
DRM is such a deal breaker
why are djmax games always so fucking expensive brah?
o2jam was free wth.
bang gift dong hehe
I bought the game today and thought that the always online thing wouldn't be that bad only to be disappointed when I played it on the Steam Deck. NOT an ideal experience because if you wanna stop and put the system to sleep, trying to play will greet you with a black screen, at least in ny experience. I also tried launching the game in offline mode only to be greeted by an error message, which left a bad taste in my mouth. Needless to say, I requested a refund shortly after. I have no patience for this BS nor will I deal with it. It's a rhythm game, ffs. Guess it's back to Project Diva till I find a better rhythm game.
Edit: XIGNCODE3, really? Might as well install an actual malware at this point because at least an actual malware doesn't always pretend that it benefits me somehow, and tell me that "hey, I'm here to destroy your PC".
Always-online is a glorified rental, even more so than your regular digital purchase. Steam DRM isn't horrible, you can use Steam it offline mode indefinitely, but in the end you still need Steam to run most games bought on there (some are DRM-free) and they could theoretically be taken away from you. But this game's always-online scheme is just plain stupid. Add to that the anti-cheat and yeah, it's pretty damn bad.
42$ for a game that's a copy of another game you can play for free (I mean osu mania, but I know osu mania isn't original either) is not worth it
Cringe opinion
Djmax > OSU mania
songs are crap
does it have the same problem as OSU does? where all of the music is absolute weebtrash that i can't stand? are there songs that aren't just dumb weeabu anime waifu songs about love and friendship and anime OP type stuff? because if it's only weebtrash i'm gonna stick to osu cause it's free and i can just download music i don't completely hate
It has it’s own share of cute pop and etc. but there are a lot of different genres of music such as techno, melodic trance, RnB, hip-hop, rock and DnB.
I would recommend you to listen to such songs as Rain Maker, Outlaw Reborn, Enemy Storm (original thought, not remix), Fancy Night, Renovation, Back to life and My Jealousy. This list with songs of quite different genres but still it’s better to just find and listen to whole ost and then decide)
This games trash
Always online is a massive deal breaker for me. I tend to play games on the go, rarely at home. A shame since I've poured so many hours into the PSP games, I was looking forward to this one.