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BTS held a 1-hour livestream to celebrate the group's 9th anniversary. And during this live, the guys explained exactly what they were going to do with the planning, not just written text, it was on video and they left it marked on the official channel. But here comes the media, and it left a lot of people worried and shocked, just catching a part of this live, to simulate the ultimate break, but they forgot the rest of the whole conversation. I hate these news media.
And it became a serious issue for Hybe as well because it caused their stocks to plummit while they, the group and the fandom did some serious damage control. It could've ended really, really badly financially for Hybe.
@@imajinallthepurple yes, I saw that there was a drop of millions in just 1 day after the announcement
@@imajinallthepurple Fun fact: Even SM Ent. lost about 9.9% of their stocks. The other Big3 labels lost quiet a bit more. Someone high in the Korean music industry begged BTS not to go into "hiatus" because of that (and other things), too.
That is so funny to me.
Sé que ellos dijeron en el festa que no se están separando pero también dijeron que la banda los limitaba no los dejaba crecer como artistas y que no los hacía felices, solo escuchar a Namjoon decir cómo sufrió por ser el líder de BTS te hace pensar que no van a volver como banda porque esto lo viene diciendo desde Bon Voyage 3 ep 8, además en tres años cada uno va a tener su camino y también hay que ver si todos continúan bajo la misma compañia sin decir que aunque se quieran separar no podrían decirlo ahora y tan abiertamente porque hay muchas fanáticas que se pondrían irracionales como mínimo.
the way media treated the announcement was frustrating for us but it was even worse for bts themselves. just the other week yoongi mentioned in his talk show that the situation was scary for them. "why is the world telling us to take permanent break? we are still active"
Yeah. Media is so stupid
Just this week Hobi and Taehyung were live streaming from JKs place, because JK called them over because he missed being with his brothers. JK was just doing laundry.
Tae suddenly remembered about Hobi leaving soon for his military enlistment. Tae was seated and Hobi was standing behind him and Tae suddenly pouted and turned and embraced Hobi around the waist and said essentially “oh no! You’re leaving soon!” Because they don’t really like being apart.
Suga " it was so scary how the world is saying bts broke up when we still have so much to do , we are still active tho "
He said that recently
Jungkook right after the articles twisted their words went on a live stream and said " I woke up and saw all the news and I was shocked , we are not disbanding , we are not on hiatus, we are still active 🤨"
I truly believe that BTS will never officially disband. Don't get me wrong I think they will definitely take breaks, start families, pursue solo endeavors, etc. But they love each other too much to ever put an end to BTS completely. BTS aren't just a music group, they are a family who love each other and who celebrate each other's successes.
After this 7y contract they will disband. I don't know what you mean with officially but if they stop releasing music as BTS then they're disbanded. They're probably gonna go solo and collabs between members but BTS will disband. One Direction disbanded, i don't know what does "officially" really means, since disbandment is something you can see even if they don't say it. When they stop making music together, Even if the company doesn't say they disbanded, it's still "official" if they stop making Music together. I don't know if you understand what i mean.
@@KARIAP The members of BTS have always said they want to remain BTS for as long as possible. They even said when they are too old to dance they will perform sitting down. I don't know why you are so sure that they will disband when that's never been said by the members themselves or HYBE. A contract ending doesn't mean automatic disbandment. It just means they will either re-negotiate their contract or leave HYBE. They have no reason to disband. They can do everything they want to do while still being a member of BTS. BTS isn't One Direction, BTS is BTS. And I meant they will never stop making music or performing together. Other groups/bands have remained together for decades why not BTS?
@@KARIAP did u not watch the last bangtan bomb? yeah I see ur not really a fan if u think 1d and bts is the same
@@crystalsnow1138 I dont think they know the whole bts story and the members themselves. They just sayin what the seeing and not WHAT IS ACTUALLY a truth
@@Oleg_1998 I know right. And it makes the members really sad when people say they will disband. Even Suga said during his interview with Taeyang that he didn't like that people were saying BTS were breaking up.
Honestly it was really heart breaking to see when namjoon said he's never gotten more calls from people ever after they dropped the Video announcing the break.
Not when they broke records or got nominations or reached a dreams they said they had
I disagree with your assessment of the members ' faces while in the room with their President, mainly because I know they were nervous and also because of what they've revealed in the past. RM said he was mostly confused about his identity when they were called upon by their government or the UN to participate in diplomatic activities. I suspect some of the others felt similarly. They also have revealed how they're constantly nervous when participating in diplomatic activities and how focused they are on representing their entire culture and country well, even though they don't believe they have earned that status.
They can feel and think all those things, and still feel upset along with it. The human heart and mind is multidimensional like that. Because they've also expressed how they are proud to serve their country but at the same time, would rather not enlist. It is not a flaw nor detriment to their character to 'want to' and 'not want to' all at the same time. It's really the most basic of basic human traits.
The internal system bighit created in hybe before refocusing on its main music and entertainment management specialty is a piece of work, bang pd made every step that was taken while going public, creating hybe and then making sure hybe is what becomes public while bighit remains private and completely independent within it is a major boss move, he not only succeeded, but he made sure every move was shared publicly with the fans, we literally could follow every step they took with excessive explanation and detail that literally nobody in ANY buisness does. It was brave because if they left room for corruption or mistakes, the media and rival companies would campaign to bring them down, or if risks for BTS members artistic freedom were exposed (like money hungry investors getting a say in anything basically) they would've gotten eaten alive by ARMY before they could breathe. That's why sharing almost too much tbh was a boss move, it added on to the integrity of the label, hybe doesn't manage the artists or the creative process, it only provides the resources and logistics needed for the activity, they made it so that no investors or share holders will have any control on the artistic process, that's why a lot of other labels agreed to join under Hybe, and that's why bighit still exists and bang pd, the largest shareholder in Hybe, is no longer the CEO, he kept only the shareholder position in Hybe and came back down to bighit as the owner of bighit, his private company that BTS are signed with and is their parent company basically. I think bang pd as a producer knows all too well what buisness interfering in music can do the art itself, and protecting his label and BTS his greatest creation from it was his biggest priority, and he succeeded since he managed to keep the guys trust in him when they could've gotten some much much bigger money if they announced not renewing their contracts especially from US labels..
This explanation is overall great but Bang PD did not change to be the owner of BH. He is the chairman of the board for HYBE and remains a producer and give creative input.
@@WE__BTS yeah of course what I meant is big hit remains a private company that doesn't in fact get its management direction dictated by the overall Hybe corp, he's the chairman at Hybe but big hit is still active as his private company that is unaffected by Hybe's other shareholders whims who could have that whole money gain tunnel vision that leaves very little to art as a whole to find a good environment to develop..
@@hadia254 yeah I agree with your main point. But Bang Pd is helping many HYBE labels now, not just the BH ones
@@WE__BTS aaaaa i wasn't focused on that point 😅😅
@@hadia254 it's okay 💜 I'm just helping out 😁
14:25 no, that's just BTS in any interview situation.
That clip was from an interview with Nightline done with former president Moon Jae In and BTS when they came to speak at the UN General assembly. He was praising BTS for their global influence, and also explaining that their appearance at the UN could help young people around the world become interested in becoming more involved with sustainable practices.
The SK media may not want to give BTS the recognition they deserve, but the government understands what BTS means to their soft power, and they have no problem exploiting it. The BTS members are aware of this, and they are willing to go as far as to use that platform to speak directly to their fans about protecting the environment or standing against racial discrimination. They may have those somber looks because they are with the President and they tend to get shy when being praised, they had a laugh a couple of times during that interview.
If you watch more interviews with them though, sometimes they seem like they just don't want to be there, But if you heard some of the b.s. interviewers say you would understand.
You know what is funny? Literally less than 5min before watching this I saw an article saying "BTS broke hearts around the world in 2022 when they split up and now they are individualy pursuing fashion" ... it has been over HALF A YEAR and they STILL are reporting that BTS split up
(I am still watching the premiere)
Edit 1: Proof actually has 3 CDs.
CD 1 is their title track
CD 2 is each member chosing 2 songs
CD 3 is their demo tracks that are ONLY available on the CD and you can't find them on any streaming service.
(Unfortunatly a lot of their AMAZING songs like Sea are literally only available on their CDs and not on any streaming services)
Edit 2:
I havent seen this saying in a years, but we always used to say: The biggest BTS fans are BTS themselfs. Whenever a member does a solo thing, or simply an amazing viral thing in their group things the other members are always the first ones to hype them up. Even now the members learn their solo songs and dance moves and promote them on their solo accounts, and they keep mentioning them and praising them in solo interviews.
Edit 3:
Yes now you get it. BTS helped to build Bighit ent. from the ground up and then Bang PD made a separate Bighit Music label that is under HYBE, but still has their own freedom and is only responsible for Lee Hyun, BTS and TXT who are still the only artist under Bighit Music.
Edit 4:
That boat video is from 'In the SOOP' which is their filmed vacation during Covid. They usually traveled every summer in 'Bon voyage' but during covid they filmed 'in the Soop' which is then chilling in one place.
Edit 5 (final)
I mean.. to be honest BTS hasn't stopped their group activities.. or at least Bighit has so much of their content that during this 'break' we will still get constant group content with their solo content.
Like just today they dropped behind the scenes of their Busan concert in October. In two weeks i am going to see that group concert in the cinema. In the latest Run BTS that dropped not long ago JK joked it was the last one but the members corrected him saying they still are scheduled to film at least one (before Jin left). Oh even a few days ago their group video for 2023 wishes dropped that was also filmed before Jin left.
Plus we know that there are more documentaries coming because we know their previous tours were filmed but we didnt get content from that yet...
So yeah while they currently aren't filming any new group content (because Jin is already gone) we still have a lot of content that they prepared to drop in advance. So while they are maybe resting from group activities we the fans arent hahaha
(Oh ps. from what I know 1D didn't have a leader.. they didnt have any structure from what I remember, just members like Harry who were always more popular)
Media really likes to make something out of nothing, smh.
I Just saw that on Twitter😂
Saw that on twt today and yes dumb journalism doesn’t stop !!! So trusfrated !!!
i don't think you were exactly correct on the guessing of what bts members were thinking in that room with the president because they weren't talking about the bts law in that conversation, they were talking about bts becoming presidential envoys for culture and future generations. i'd say they were just mostly nervous to be in the room but they probably didn't really ask for that title either so some of them might have been annoyed haha
To add to this. This is a formel setting with lots of etiquet that they are not used too. That adds to the pressure of just sitting there. They can't just be goofing and saying what they want, without giving it much thought. This caused many of the members to stiffen in my opinion.
Also we don't know what there schedule was like during this time, but I wouldn't be surprised that it was very busy. Meaning that they have lack of sleep, which adds to why they may look like that.
@@wendydubbelyou exactly. when they film content, whatever it is, they are typically much more goofy and relaxed with each other, but this is obviously a situation where they couldn't be.. along with the fact many of the members were probably anxious to possibly get asked to speak or something of the sort.
The guys had a very busy schedule during this period.
The arrived in NYC after a 14+ hr flight. Had to rehearse their UN speech and film their peformace that same night. Woke up very early the following morning to deliver their speech. Then had an interview with at the UN. They also attend an even with the South Korean First Lady to gift some korean art to the Met.
And the following day they had this exclusive ABC interview that was clipped in the video - which had some pretty serious topics. Such as yoongi's lyrics on mental health in his solo work, the members worries and desire to see their fans again in concert, the misogyny in Korea, and how do you respond to people who are affraid to take the covid vaccine.
It's actually a veryyyyy good & well researched interview that I would recommend for others to watch.
And the interviewer herself is Korean American, and also was present at their speech.
This. They, esp jhope, is always vocal about being honored to be there, so to imply that he doesn't want to be there or that he doesn't give 2 fucks about what's up couldn't be further from the truth. It's part of their culture to be 'sullen' in those kinds of settings; it's being polite, it's decorum and etiquette given the context of the situation.
Agree with what's been shared, and also to add - their work ethic is that they are perfectionists, all of them, so they took this role very seriously, especially during the interviews with President Moon, (previous meetings seen, though also formal were more relaxed).
I agree with you wholeheartedly about the media. They have NEVER done their research on BTS, so they constantly misspeak, know absolutely nothing about the Korean culture, and automatically relate everything they think they know to Western boy bands and Western music industry. It’s a disservice to BTS, the integrity of the Press, and the fans.
i just thought of this... you should watch their festa 2022 dinner where they announced the 'hiatus'. its completely them without anyone mediating in a safe place and speaking completely from the heart as they had some drinks. of course at the time they couldnt reveal everything (like the enlistment) but they layed down all of their worries and struggles and it was directly from them. i became an army in 2021 and only when that festa happened did i understand what other armys meant when saying that we should listen to what they say directly from them and the company, that's why whenever they announce big news, they do it through their own media platforms such as weverse and their own accounts on twitter and instagram
21:44 - Yes! They are unlike any other group or collective of artists. They have achieved an impossible near-perfect balance of Eastern collectivism and Western individualism. They know how and when to keep their egos in check because they understand that the success of the collective is also beneficial to the individual, and vice versa. They can and willingly make sacrifices for the group, but without stamping out their individualism. BTS, and their management, encourage & support each others growth as artists because they also understand that it is the contributions of each individual member that make up the unique dynamic and magic of the group.
I actually didn’t bother to listen to what the media had to say especially when I heard that they were twisting everything. BTS said and explained everything they needed to to ARMIES.
I started to cry during Festa when Namjoon was talking and near the end he suddenly started to tear up and after him, Yoongi started to tear up. I'm telling you, we simply can't hold ourselves when Yoongi starts to tear up, then every member started to tear up or cry so it was emotional but they never said that they would stop as group. And 2 days after I saw things like: "BTS IS SPLITTING UP"or "BTS BROKE MANY HEARTS WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'LL GO INTO THEIR SOLO CAREERS" or "THE KOREAN BAND BTS WILL BE NO LONGER EXISTING" I was like 'Huh? Did I miss a whole chapter or something?' The media was switching things up and it was so annoying. So Yeah, Fck Media.
Hiatus literally means a break in activity.... in this case it's a break in group activity. The reason I think it applies and the comparison from boracity is apt is because they could have continued to do bts tours.... or a mini world tour before enlisting in the military but they CHOSE to do solo work because of the group burn out. They weren't forced to do solo activities because of the military, that's just how they themselves decided to schedule it. Also Jin had the option of postponing his service for a few more months but he decided he did not want to wait any longer.
Yes
Jin wanted to enter the military in summer. He was talked into doing the Busan concert: One last time as a group before the military service.
He talked to Chris Martin about it and asked if he had an idea for a gift for Army/song. That was how "The Astronaut" was made (and that cute new mascot).
I think Namjoon needed the break from responsibility. He was already not hearing the reasuring of his members.
Why should they do tours when they had different plans? the vocalline needs to explore their own art. Hobi wanted to try new things, too. As do the rest of the rapline.
Who are they as individuals? that was a question that especially Namjoon wanted answers to as his brain probably asked him what if they are only telling me they want that and than don't?
But that was all structured around military service as it was clear between the 5 years between the youngest and the oldest that they would not all go with the same few months.
I do hope that the last member will enter the military by end of 2023. They probably will. But it is still months till than. In fact Jin is already done with Basic.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ruthfischer7615 you may have misunderstood my comment but I did not say they should go on tours. My comment is in direct response to the reactor saying Boracity's video title is misleading.
@@nuhkyah23 I know.
It was just my 2 cents to the topic.
It wasn't necessarily a criticism. Just my thoughts/flow of thoughts/ramble.
It wasn't a planned attack. Not really. Sorry.
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@@ruthfischer7615 💜 didn't think it was an attack
it was so frustrating. I don't understand why people can't just listen to what bts actually say. I get that most are not used to trusting what artist say, but... in the same video where bts revealed their group music releases will be on a break for few years (not even group /activities/ because they stated that they are continuing to film their shows and we even got concert after that), in the same damn video they said "we'd be thankful if you take these words for what they are"
but the way media was making it a sensation and twisting their words and assuming and calling it a disbandment was really hard to deal with in the moment when we were already dealing with new information and changes. fighting against those false articles, trying to defend the truth, trying to still stand by the truth, while still being shocked and sad and just worried about them because there were a lot of honest things said in that video
the bs was so loud that jungkook went live next morning to confirm that there's no way they are disbanding and they never said that or anything close to it, they have plans and dreams and goals as a group still. he was so bewildered by the reaction of media over a video that wasn't even a press release or anything like that, but an annual dinner celebration of bts' birthday which is bts and army personal event but whatever i get that info spreads anyway, but it was just so bitter they took just what they wanted to hear
namjoon was also angry and frustrated and posted a long letter on weverse. this is the translation (credits: @ miiniyoongs):
"after the broadcast/show was released, i received the most calls since ive debuted
seeing the screenshots and article titles that went sent i saw there were quite a lot of provocative and one sided (t/n: partial/wrongly taken)
it’s not as if i didn’t know that this might happen or that i didn’t prepare for this, but i feel quite bitter. it’s not as if we hoped that they (t/n: media people, non armys) would leave opinions after fully watching the show where we cry and such..
Bangtan ‘Dinner’ is a casual form of content, and with the symbolism behind the date the show was released, June 13, this video was solely dedicated for ARMYs who were together with us for past 9 years. though of course there might have been reactions from the outsiders who overreact/exaggerate and say we think too highly of ourselves.. but what kind of singers/artists and fans wouldn’t have (after all those years) there’s something rare/special between ARMYs and Bangtan due to what we’ve endlessly shared for almost 10 years time. though this question about our emotions/sentiments (towards our fans) was asked countless amount of times during interviews, it’s something that is really difficult and hard to express in words. anyways, it was a confession that was wanting to be said for all the fans who have been with us until now without asking for anything in return. those who watched the video knows, but the title of the song, ‘Yet to Come’, is as implied, where we honestly wanted to say that now is not the end. screenshots of the scene where i was crying/sobbing started spreading, so i wondered whether or not i shared something i shouldn’t have been brave enough to share.
it seems that having the courage of wanting to be honest always creates unnecessary misunderstandings and calls for anger.
what i wanted to say was that we’re not trying to say that 1 is 2 (t/n: not trying to twist words or the truth) we’re saying 1 is 1, and we just wanted to share all our emotions that we experienced during the process, with our courage and tears. if it is ARMYs who know us, i have no doubt that you will understand what we say. what we said in the video is all we said.
Jungkook and Taehyung might have mentioned on Vapp/Vlive well, but we’ve always freely expressed facts regarding BTS’ long term future. though there were times where we’ve conflicted/quarreled or sulked, but i believe that it was clumsy/uncertain trial and errors as 10-20 year olds growing into adults while starting our social life.
though im scared that these words may cause become another big deal.. or if it will be as if i poured gas into the noise (t/n: pouring oil/fuel into a flame -> make situation worse), i will briefly give these words as the person who talked the most. thank you to everyone who watched the video and sent good cheers, love, and energy, whether it be from afar or close. we’ll work hard moving forward to show you good sides of us whether it be as a team or individually. thank you."
The sort of openness and honesty we get from BTS is rare. Most people, especially Americans, have come to expect a level of dishonesty and deceptiveness from celebrities/wealthy people. More so becaues of the long track record that groups have of lying to their fans to save face. It's easy for us to say because we have extremely high trust in BTS, but to outsiders that trust is seen as childish and naive. They think they know better and we're just a bunch of delusional little teen fangirls who couldn't possibly understand the real world enough to know we're being lied to. Many of these media persons are patiently waiting to say "We told you so" because they believe BTS are lying, as celebs do, and ARMY are going to be left in shock because we didn't see it coming. It's ridiculous but there is a patronizing, condescending air to how they talk about BTS being liars and ARMY being too gullible to see it. This sort of bond isn't common in the world of fans and celebrities of this global scale. It's annoying.
@@ZariDV What they don't want to know or understand is that ARMY in the main is made up of 'older' music fans then the 'normal' Boy Band, that they are so used to.
@@eileencritchley4630 That's an excellent point. ARMYs are mostly grown folks with careers and families. Some of us are even retired with grandkids. Also, even the ARMYs who do happen to be younger people shouldn't be dismissed as delusional and naive. Many of them gravitated to BTS because they enjoy the complexity of the lyricism and they contribute just as valid idea, theories, and critical thought.
They are just as valuable to the fadom community. I dislike the way they attempt to infantilize us by also attempting to disrespect young people. It's not only rude, it's lazy.
@@ZariDV I completely agree with you.
Honestly I cried during the Festa when they talked about taking a break, not because I thought they are breaking up but because I just experience my first comeback with Proof and I wouldn't be able to experience that for awhile. It was sad for me because I wished I knew them from the beginning and was able to have all that first with them. Needless to say I can't wait to experience my second BTS comeback in 2025. But right now I'll be enjoying their individual projects. APOBANGPO
Same with me
I actually felt really sad for all the armys who joined during proof or before proof. But don't worry y'all got enough time to consume and appreciate all of the bts' contents before their cb in 2025.
@@Sam_70 yeah. i also have to go to school till the end of 2024. And all of my school life exams will end in 2024. so now focus more on studies while listening to BTS. And their songs helps me in every instances
@@foreverwereyoungarmy5657 oh..thats really great then. Wish you all the best!! Hope u succeed💜
I get what you mean. I became ARMY a month before the release of Butter so I missed everything before that too. Proof was the 3rd comeback I experienced but I still felt like I just joined. We will wait and be here to support them with their individual projects and their group comeback in 2024
The difference between BTS and most of the groups in the music history is that they genuinely love each other as brothers and family. They have always respected each other and when there are issues they resolved them together
In Korea and other Asian countries most people have washers but not dryers. S. Korea is a very small country and most houses and apartments are small so space is a consideration. Also they air dry due to energy and cost saving measures. It’s just a way of living as my mom will still hang laundry outside if she could and we’ve been in the US for 53 years.
Armies don’t use the word hiatus because BTS said they are taking a break. However the western media went crazy reporting that are in a hiatus and compared them to 1D.
27:43 Big Hit Entertainment went public in mid-2020, then later announced and then became HYBE in 2021 (end of 1st qtr?), and “Big Hit Entertainment” became “Big Hit Music” the label in which BTS fall under. HYBE agreed/voted amongst stakeholders that they should allow Big Hit Music be an entity/be operated independently (separate) from HYBE, even though it’s owned by HYBE. I remember liking this idea and was relieved that Bang PD and company did this as their first decision for HYBE.
OMG YOU TOTALLY GET IT 💜 Yes! BTS is so unique because they do group projects and solo projects - but even more unlike other groups we also get solos and 'subunits' of music *within* BTS: songs by just the vocalists, songs by the rapline, songs with one vocal/one rapper; two vocals/one rapper; etc
The solos & combos and musical styles that result are so full of variety just within the group that you just never really have to deal with the ear fatigue you get when listening to other groups or artists where you just hear the same voice(s) on every song with little change in music style/genre
Did I misunderstand you or you are one of those people who accused them of having a backdoor deal? Haters said they did those activities such as Busan concert for the bid because of exemption from military. No, BTS already decided to enlist a couple years ago, but things didn't go as planned due to pandemic. They couldn't talk about it since it would affect the stocks.
33:33 i dont think she wanted to use them as an example as much as she was forced to. im on twitter and often see army arguing with one directioners about the same issues bora discussed in this video. i think she just wanted to end the conversation once and for all. cause media outlets sometimes see arguments like these online and then write articles further fuelling the fire. bts is all too often compared to other western or even kpop groups and it is in many cases left to army to set the record straight and provide context or a bigger picture.
Just like ARMY had to set the media right with their 'White Paper'.
idk if u know but just wanted to add that the repackaged albums do also have new songs. so putting industry stuff aside, the anthology album was simply a here have this as a gift while we go to the military and obviously because of their huge amount of music. personally i thought doing this anthology album was a good idea. a callback to their beginnings and a journey through their youth which is something they often talk about recently in their music.
also i too disagree with ur analysis of their faces bc based on what they have said about those kinds of diplomatic activities they are just nervous and have a huge amount of pressure. after all they are one of the groups that have the most political debates going around them bc of military service.
Also, a large amount of people only got to know bts through their English singles and putting out an anthology album allows those people to get to know the range of their work. A gift for long time fans and a revelation for new ones.
Bighit company was a small company and then in 2021 it became Hybe (made some acquisitions like other small label pledis) and Bighit (the label not company) became an independent label (Bighit Music) under Hybe. This is why ARMY truly appreciates Bang PD, before he stepped down from CEO of Hybe (still chairman) he separated Bighit and made it private from Hybe so that they maintain independent control of creative and business decisions (he also stayed as a producer under Bighit Music). But when we talk about independent companies we mostly mean in America, in Korea Hybe is big despite having less power and influence than the main 3 entertainment companies. But in the US, despite their size, most expect them to have connections with us companies and in the industry (paying radio, Spotify, etc) in order to succeed but they don’t have that. It’s also not just ARMY calling them independent, they are categorized as such by the us industry for example billboard still has BTS under their independent artists year end chart (probably because they are a foreign label). Hybe being big now, doesn’t negate their history (which many people think was handed to them like other boy bands) or their current lack of connections/power in the us industry that works to keep them out. They still could go higher if they connected with a us company and paid to play but they don’t do that. So no they are not poor anymore but when it comes to the American industry, they are still outsiders.
14:41 So... I think there's a HUGE lack of context regarding this interview you're seeing. That interview was with ABC news with their former President Moon (who is pretty liberal by Korean standards) and was regarding the topics being discussed at their 3rd speech at the UN. The topics during that meeting were about climate change, women's equality, and the effects of COVID on young people...all serious topics... so of course they're not going to be grinning and joking around, because the mood of this interview was serious. Do they particularly enjoy being involved in politics? No, they're performers and writers, they'd rather be doing that... But they understand that they have a platform and are willing to use it to bring attention to issues they think are important. I think maybe you thought that interview had something to do with their military service, but it did not.
You are right
You worded the context of this interview very well. It was actually a well-researched and introspective interview. Even going into their gloabl audience impact and lyricism.
Ironic that the one time BTS actually taken seriously by western interviewers (Zach Sang & Liam McEwan are the exceptions) was when they we visiting the US as diplomats.
To be fair during FESTA 2022 dinner (where they announced their hiatus) RM said that because of their crazy schedule and pressure that he personally going through as a leader of a band and only fluent English speaker, it became extremely hard for him do his own solo work. So, yes, they always had an opportunities to do solo music still being part of the group, but this huge worldwide sucsess put restrictions to it (physically and mentally). They were exhausted. Especially rapline as they are doing most of the songwriting and producing. I hope they will slow down after their comeback in 2025.
Funny story. I worked in hostel during The 2018 FIFA World Cup and there was one American guy, who was in shock by the fact we had no dryer and was confused what to do with his wet clothes he took out from washing machine. So we have to explain him that he suppose to hang his clothes on the strings in the hall (that was home-like hostel) an leave it till it dry naturally. During the next two hours we watched how every 20 minutes or so he would go to the clothes to touch it and check if it dry already. It was both hilarious and kinda adorable.
Edit: I want to add something. Did their announcement of taking a break as band was completely unexpected? Not really. Did it break our hearts? Yes. Was it because of our fear that they wouldn't return as a group anymore? Oh, no, this definitely wasn't the reason all ARMY ended up ugly crying.
Do it naturally and save energy, save money and save the planet.
That independent title you say they no longer hold does not change the fact that they’re still to this day undermined in their own country’s industry (not even talking about America) You saw videos where it showed that korean media hides or undermines BTS achievements while praising achievements of acts from the big 3 (YG JYP and SM) because these 3 companies have the media and the industry in their pockets. YG even owns stocks in Naver (the google of Korea), the journalist that asked Suga the plagiarism question at the album press conference was later discovered to be working under YG.
Army like to say there’s no longer a big 3 cause HYBE is bigger than all now and while that might be true in certain aspects like popularity and profits, the big 3 still continue to thrive because while HYBE might have more money now, more resources, they don’t have the power and connections. the big 3 do.
Korean citizenz don’t actually know how big bts’s reach is because that type of information is being withheld through any means possible.
And you know the story with their US distribution deal and lack of support.
So you’re saying they’re no longer independent because they’re under this hugely successful korean entertainment company and record label. But that company and record label became big because of them. They didn’t sign with a already commercially successful record label, they created one. I think that makes all the difference. They signed with an independent one and the trajectory of their success brought their label the success it has today. Success that (I want to reiterate once again) unfortunately still cannot compete with the pull the big 3 have over the industry and the media. HYBE does not have the power to guide the public’s perception towards what they want to be popular and talked about and what shouldn’t. The big 3 do (and while i wouldn’t even want HYBE to have such type of power, when someone else has it and they’re using it against them to control the narrative, it does come at the detriment of their artists because their actual accomplishments get buried, and it is insanely unfair)
So if the only reason why they’re not seen as independent anymore is because they did what everyone aspires to do, be succesfull, (in their case exceptionally so) that’s a very unfair take to have, especially when considering this particular case. Like to remain independent is to stay small. Yet artists have no control over that. I understand if someone is not deemed independent because they become popular when signing with a label that is already huge so it provides them visibility and everything they need in order to succeed because they have the budget to do so. But we both know that’s not BTS’s story.
Like, if BTS decides tomorrow they want to make their own record label, army will go with them no questions asked. because that’s where our loyalty lies. So while you’re entitled to your own opinion, yes, even with all this success i consider BTS very much still independent artists.
Yes. Its really sad😔
that's exactly it💜
Once they finish military service and start to get into and/or reveal romantic relationships, then I think their work as BTS will slow down, but they will never stop being BTS. They will continue to work more on their own projects but will come together every so often to give us great music and fun content.
I mean by 2025 they will be between ages 27 to 32 so we want them to find love, we want BTS babies eventually, maybe Yoongi could write a film score, while Tae could start a fashion line. The possibilities for the future are endless for them but ARMY has to realise they can't keep up the frantic pace. I would rather have a BTS who is healthy, happy and giving us content when they can rather than no BTS at all.💜
What if members don't have babies not everyone reproduces due to many different factors it's not the be all and end all to that everyone has to reproduce. Many Koreans are choosing not to reproduce and choosing not to marry. Their birth rate is falling fast.
Yes, one thing..their good genes needed to spread world wide. More is better. 😅😅😅
Around your 5:00 time stamp, I agree, there should be criminal charges for the damage caused be intentionally misreporting what is happening just to get a sensationalized headline. HYBE stock dropped because of the misreporting. As ARMY since Fall 2018, I knew the guys were going to continue to release content as a group and as individuals until they all come back after their military service. They have always pre-recorded content and kept ARMY well fed. Even when we hoped the guys were taking well deserved breaks, they always produced content during their breaks. They never said they were not going to be giving us group content, they said they were going to focus on their individual projects. I will be ARMY and will support these men for as long as they want to continue.
Agreed with you
They've sued people in the past for spreading lies and rumours they could simply do that with some of these so called news reporters.
Sidenote: BTS had a fantastic relationship with President Moon. They shared some hilarious moments together, and President Moon was basically ARMY. It was so good that ARMY made funny fan edits of a President Moon light stick. 😂 He advocated for them a lot and was a much more progressive President as far as I've understood. If all that makes any sense to what you were talking about. Their faces are kind of deceiving sometimes haha.
just a side note : The Best is a compilation of their hjapanse songs, but Proof is not a compilation album, it's a anthology ! songs in chronological order that tells their journey as BTS, the first of this chap 1 being a rendition that they performed 2 times but never release before, + 3 new original songs (one for BTS history, one for Army memory, one for the future and promise they made to us) + solo, duo and sub units songs, + original demo whe never hear before. Proof is something meaningful.
BTS never needs steroids for streams lol
In 2019 BTS announced a 2 month vacation and the media went wild calling it a hiatus and how they would disband etc. We knew this media frenzy would happen again and worse this time.
They mess up their articles by using the wrong photos, I never expect them to know context of anything or to do any research.
Media and the locals compare them all the time to 1D so I see why she used them as the example. Not to mention having so much more info on the the contracts and who said what/acted b/c of of the current digital age vs the speculation of what happened with older boy groups. Thx for your reaction
Hybe bought out Scooter Braun...so now Bieber..Ariana Grande Jay Balvin...Demi Lavotto...Black eyed Peas etc...now under Hybe
But...Old BTS songs are still being streamed....every new ARMY streams their old songs too.....They don't need to benefit from that "waterfall" several of their old songs we suggest to new ARMYS have recently reached over a BILLION views
But they are using it still.
There's a really good response in the comments about bts being an indie artist
the thing is, bts never signed with a company to have control over their music when they became popular. THEY WILL BUILD ONE 🤧
This hybe image with all these companies is BTS money. The company became this huge conglomerate with army money and BTS blood.
We are extremely proud to say that. If BTS leaves this company they can build one as big as hybe from scratch simply by being them. The army's trust is in bts and not in the company
please continue to share your opinion on this issue of whether or not to be independent, we still haven't come to an understanding
English is not my language, I'm still learning it so I'm having a little trouble understanding your words ☺️
BTS never broke their promise with us. All (we) Armys have to do is trust them.
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Backstreet Boys never disbanded, they're still together. They just lost steam.
Reason pretty much only 1D is mentioned is because 1D is the one BTS kept being compared to or the ones that were brought up by the media every time they talked about BTS hiatus. Also the repackaged anthology album might be "Steroids" but it had a lot of new content, including one whole disc of unreleased demos and three new songs. So at least it wasn't only a compilation of old songs.
Yes, also they put demos, not originals songs and not remixes. Thats why that called "anthology album"
Yep, the Backstreet Boys will be celebrating 30 years together this year. They are still pretty successful, they do a lot of touring.
the jonas brothers had to have a fight and break up for them to come back and be able to do both group and solo and i feel the only reason they were able to come back together was because they are actually related and they still were part of each others' lives that they had to sit down and have a conversation and find an agreement. i saw an interview nick jonas did where he said that only after they broke up and went solo and then more years passed and they got back together and then he again released a solo without breaking up that they realized that they could both at the same time by just respecting each other. but again, the reason it worked with them is probably because they are actual brothers and theyn had to resolve their issues and could not ignore each other like other band members do
The group were given shares of the company, so they can benefit in the wealth!
Yes
13:13 for real! At some point politicians started using BTS's name for their gains, and I think they were cornered because they already have such a tricky relationship with Korean media and the Korean music industry, so it would have been easy to make even more enemies if they took a clear stance against involving the group in politics. They kept a fairly neutral position overall, and quietly planned for their military enlistment despite the whole nation debating whether they should be exempt, and both politicians and K-pop companies fearcely using this debate for their gains. In a recent interview between RM and Pharrell williams, RM said that he started wondering "what am I, a diplomat??" 😆 I have a feeling that this will be it, and they won't be involved like this after their military service... Or at least, I hope so.
You can't use JK's facial expressions as a metric for anything. He's often a little.... in his own world at the best of times. We gotta use those "what are they thinking?" memes somewhere! 😏
When BTS had their Festa in June announcing their rest period I don't even think American news outlets were aware of mandatory military service. I mean honestly how many Americans who don't follow BTS or kpop know military service is mandatory in South Korea for all able bodied men? I sure didn't, I only learned about it after discovering BTS. So for them having the biggest group in the world at their peak say they were going to work on solo music and taking a break from group music didn't sound promising (even though we as fans knew military service was quickly approaching). I think they might've covered that news differently had BTS said we're taking a break to do solos while we all complete are mandatory military service and plan on coming back together in 2025.
I think you might be right on that one as I know the USA is often lacking when it comes to what goes on in other parts of the world. I'm British but I knew South Korea was one of the countries that had mandatory military service and I knew it was due to North Korea. Americans who have never been outside of the USA tend not to know much about the rest of the world. I think that has a lot to do with your schooling system, your lack of world news and the fact the USA is extremely large is size.
Not all of Proof album is repackaged. I get what you're saying but full disclosure.
Its got 3 CDs and 3 new songs and the last CD contains all new unreleased songs army hadn't heard before.
What is funny and the video doesn't mention is than in august of 2019 they took a break, like proper vacation, for like a month I belive? And they all said the same thing "1D said the same and blah blah blah", what bothers me is the patronizing way they talked to us like ???? in this case they have a contract until 2027 and then (on 2019) they had a tour sold out, they weren't going anywhere
Right these boys are clearly looking to stay around and not go anywhere
Yeah, we know how the numbers work in terms of streaming with the anthology album. Still appreciated the explanation, maybe some people will watch who are not aware. This album was EXPENSIVO, but its also the first one I bought with my own money (vs receiving one as a present), which is great cause the art book that comes with it with an overview of the entire discography is amazing, and I am enamored with how their discography connects in general. The joy of the Proof album btw, was actually cd 3 which is not on spotify (you can still find the songs anywhere on youtube) - the "hidden" physical-only songs, I am sure you've seen albums with songs like that. Cd 3 is original demos for songs and songs that almost made the cut. Likely inspired by the book "Midnight Library", exploring what would have happened if we made different choices, and had alternative lives (Everything Everywhere All At Once deals with the same parallel universe ideas.) I am not sure if anthology albums have that usually? Demos of songs? Is that a thing?
About the whole redebute, I always think about Izone: they were formed through a competition show and the top 12 contestants debute in the group, but a temporary group. After I think two and a half very successful years the disbanded and some of them are now actors, soloist or debute in other groups. To be honest I find it hard to imagine something like that happening or working for a western group
7:35 okay you officially know all the members by face!!!
11:27 NAH I completely agree with your take on digital sales. It is very much inflated, expecially when songs get repackaged in new albums. BTS been doing this since the HYYH series began and I always wondered why they keep adding old songs to new albums. It makes since. It's why I never really care about the "streams" statistics. They have enough accolades with just physical sales, awards, concert sales and more that these inflated Spotify numbers dont need to be added to their records. But hey, labels gotta do what they gotta do I guess so whatever.
21:08 I agree 100% I think the main reason BTS doesnt feel the need to go solo is becasue they are always allowed to do their own thing while a part of BTS anyway. Like even in official BTS albums, the members ALL have multiple solo songs. They get to do songs outside of BTS and everything. Sure, this hiatus makes it easier because they aren't spreading themselves too thin trying to do too many different things, but BigHit never tried to restrict them to BTS as a group and let them breathe in their own projects. I think that's why a bunch of other groups end up breaking up in the first place.
I sent the email of all the KPOP groups, and in that email I explained the Hybe/Big Hit situation and background as well as which groups belonged to Hybe and which groups belonged to Big Hit (because yes its separate) Hybe actually went from a garage studio to the biggest in the world with the most successful groups in K-pop.
I did not receive the email and I’ve checked spam. Could you dm on patreon the email address I need to look out for to receive this list. Ty.
In kpop it is more of a regimented situation. It is hard for others to understand, in most management companies there are 30 or more groups they manage. So for those companies it is like moving chess pieces for those companies. Especially if you have a 7 yr contract with the company not specifically the group so if that company wants to reuse you because you as a person have lots of fans even though the group did not do well then you are tied to how the company wants to handle your contract.
You are right about the demonizing of "hiatus" to One Direction is short sighted. I really miss Boys to Men myself.
President Moon was the man in the seat and the one that gave them awards and the deligate passport. The problem is they never wanted to be political but they and their military service became very political.
Loved Jimin's new solo song with Taeyang.
Jungkook has a sleeve and it is beautiful.
lazy journalism is due to the fact that western media does not know or understand the korean music industry. they write what they think and plus it is a form of click bait. there are haters both in the west and in korea who want bts to fail period. lack of understanding of the phenomenon of bts is 'strange' to the music industry. each member of bts has been producing individual songs for their albums since the beginning, therefore solo projects are just solo projects for them, no big deal. with jin away in the military the other members are doing their own thing until they go into the military.
Right
But the difference between the American groups you mentioned and the 1D marketing group is that the latter were always talking about a comeback and giving estimates of how long it would take for them to come back. BSB never gave estimates. They themselves were silent. The media itself gave deadlines, but neither the group nor the marketing team gave estimates for anything!
I kinda feel bad for the men or women in their lives. They honestly have to compete for the dudes' attention. Not only are these dudes bffs, but their families are friends. Jin and RM's dads hang out almost daily. Each of their families embrace them as family too. Families that have gone through hell together develop strong bonds
Yep I get what you are saying about compilations and sales. Except that there was a full CD included on proof which is available ONLY as a hard copy CD and has not been released on Spotify or any other platform. It is purely for fans, demo versions, alternate versions, historical material. It is still a historic album, a summary of their chapter 1. Yes they get credit for older songs is a factor, but releasing a song they first performed in 2013 which has never before been released (Born Singer)? That's special. Plus the three new songs. But it's still not eligible for many awards as it doesn't have sufficient new songs.
I just really want us all to be aware of what the repackaging means. Past that I’m not really tripping. Plus like I said BTS had to do an amazing amount of work to even be able you make these compilations.
@@Jurnalist_ Yep, all good. ARMY are actually pretty good at understanding all this. For EG once the track lists for Proof came out there playlists used which boosted numbers for those tracks available. People criticise ARMY for these kind of tactics sometimes but they are just playing by the rules of the industry which as you say are different in the streaming era.
I rarely cried in my life as hard as during the Festa dinner 2022🤣 like ugly crying!!! (I got also quite worried about how tf this parasocial relationship with 7 asian millionaires got so deep) but it was really emotional! I cried everyday for like a week eveytime I'd hear For Youth or Yet to Come 🤣🤣 hadn't cry in YEARS, like i don't cry like that.. but dang that sh!t crushed my fvcking soul 🤣
As said they are not afraid to cry, to share their doubts, all the thoughts they are going through and I'm sooo grateful for it and all this was as they said explicitly in the video was to lay healthy foundations for the future, they felt lost and needed to reflect to remain as a group for as long as possible and they detailed their plans clearly, to the extent they could share with us at that time (with the Busan bid negotiations and enlistment settlement with the SK government pending)...
But of course the media just heard hiatus, and took the clips of Joon crying and not understanding all the background and it was like a war was announced... ARMYs we trended "BTS it's okay to rest", showed all our support despite the general mental breakdown, and thank god the members saw our supportive reactions first BUT the chaos that ensued in the media was crazyyy!! We got so mad at the press and even Joon had to release a statement to the press and called out their toxic lazy journalism which was shocking, sad but glad he called them out! And I'm forever grateful for Jungkook going live the next day for 1h30 to do some damage control, but just reassure each other! Healing.
That was already/just 7 months ago.. crazy
These bonds are ones I have never seen before. The honest I’m communication and the music is what I think really did it. This is what I’m trying to add to my repertoire. As in very honest in my music but very reserved in sharing myself personally. That is where yt has been helpful I can show myself without having to fake it.
Also Y’all keep trying to make me cry with these comments I swear.
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They just love in a pure way. They give everything they can (and there's a lot they keep for themselves). If you continue to watch the rise of Bangtan you'll understand their moral values, the work ethic, humilty but always confidence they were unique.
Once you've done the series and understand how they are family you can definitely watch the Festa Dinner 2022 and see for yourself!
BTS regardless if ppl end up not liking the music we are okay with that, but I think anyone can learn a lot trying to understand their character and attitude towards their artistry. And they represent hope for a lot of things: you can beat the industry and have integrity, you can be at the top and not be an a$$, you can be successful and spread philosophical concepts/art and advocating for change, self-development. And because they dare having that hope and achieved that it inspires and garners ppl, who themselves don't settle for the status quo and so this is what creates an army.
Sorry for the lengthy passionate messages but if I could recommend you a first group song it would be Born Singer (their take on J Cole's Born sinner).
2013, J cole drops weeks after BTS debuts, Suga gets inspired and writes a verse on it, then each rapper and they put it on soundcloud. They talk about their mentality, their principles and promise to remain true to their art. I kind see that song as their Hippocratic oath lmao. They performed this song 3 times: 2015 when they started winning shows, 2017 when they started dominating globally, and 2022 they cleared the copyright, gave J Cole the credits and released the song officially. To sing this song these lyrics 10 years later, is such a statement to their character and how grounded they are.. and every milestones they keep that reality check, that song just sums up BTS for me.
I can link you both performances, you can chose any of these.
*2015/ 2017 performances mixed: czcams.com/video/dE68ZbmDi_A/video.html
* 2022: czcams.com/video/9sJ_I1lHpps/video.html
That's how you lay your foundations!
FYI they signed a new contract for 7 more years added to current contract...They are not going anywhere
Thank you for your work. I appreciate your insights in the music industry and even the cultural things. (Like I'm from Germany and I use a drying-rack (is this the right word?) and don't have a dryer. Members of my family have their own dryer but choose to dry it in the air like in the summer). I do not have a lot of knowledge in the Music industry because normally it doesn't hold my interest at all. So your input and delivery is entertaining and educating at the same time. 💜
Just to let you know, Jungkook has a full arm tattoo on top of hand tattoos
The reason she only talking about 1D is bc 1D is the only other boy and in relevance and bc bts are always compared to.them and Liam for 1D even said that bts wouldn't have happened I'd it weren't for them breaking up. That's why this video is in response to directioners and media who wo to stop comparing the two.
Liam smoking good drugs. BTS don’t happen if 1d doesn’t break up. 😂😂
Where’s his dealer I need what ever he is buying and in a Large amount at that.
27:35 Of course! I agree. I think what they mean when they say they're independent today is like only for the American market because they aren't signed to a recording label there like other kpop groups or artists. But yeah, at least when I say it I always say they *started* as an independent act from an indie label, not that they *are* right now.
Yea this description would be way more accurate to what they are to me.
A Stevie Nicks situation, like members dating each other? Unlikely but very welcome. 😂
It’s gotta be next level for it to cause a break up 😂😂
Your comment on sh*tty journalism is so spot on!!! Thank you for calling them out!!!
Also BigHit Music (formerly BigHit Entertainment) only has 3 artist: BTS, TXT and Lee Hyun.
BigHit Music is a privately held company of which HYBE board of directors has no say on.
Bang PD separated BigHit Music out and made it a privately held entity prior to taking BigHit Entertainment public and renaming it HYBE.
Bighit is part of hybe labels but they are independent label
Respectfully, at serious events or when in the company of high ranking ppl, if we were to look happy or joyous it looks like we are not being sufficiently serious in a serious situation. Interesting how you interpret it as them looking sullen and not wanting to be there, for me it's just putting on your serious face in a serious setting. Is it an Asian Vs Western perspective difference? Since they're on TV with the president they have to be suitably calm and serious . - I hope I don't sound sarcastic but I don't know how else to phrase it. I genuinely found the difference in perspective of body language interesting 😅
Totally I think western vs Asian. We don’t have this idea that joy during serious is frowned upon or would denote lack of care for a moment. I totally read that differently due to this. I had no idea that was a custom, be more serious when in big moments.
The only times I'd air dry clothes is if I don't want it to shrink. The closepin method outside is nice and relaxing, it's warm from the afternoon sun and smells special when the wind catches it.
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They literally are on a hiatus from group activity and being able to work on other things, solo projects, individual campaigns / embassadorships etc. Under their previous contract they only did ad campaigns as BTS the group. 7 or none. which i think was great for the company trying to prevent solo stans.
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Looking forward to your next BTS reaction 💜
Thanks heaps
Ty for your time. More coming later today.
Clothes dryer question: I grew up in the UK and came to Canada in the early 80s. At that time, no one I knew in the UK had a dryer. Even my aunt and uncle who had built a brand new house, still only had a washer. Maybe it was just cultural, and what was always done, but everybody hung out there laundry to try. When it was raining or too cold, the clothes would go on these rocks to dry on the inside of the house. all homes that I knew of had their washer in the kitchen. It was seen as just another kitchen appliance along with your stove and fridge. There really wasn’t a place for a dryer even if you wanted one. When we moved to Canada, everyone has a washer and dryer. Because we moved in the middle of winter, it was clear why a dryer was necessary. It was also the case that everybody had a basement and that’s where the washer and dryer would be situated. Fast forward to current day, and my family in the UK still prefers to hang up the clothes on the line outside. They also have to go through baskets of ironing before putting the clothes away, but the dryer is only used as a last resort. Hanging clothes outside is still thought of as a better option.
Thx for taking the time to re-record
É exatamente como você entendeu a coisa. Eles são livres, sempre foram, em nenhum momento o Army se preocupou que eles estivessem problemas típicos de boyband, sobre liberdade individual como artistas. Havia a possibilidade de ser um problema com a empresa (eu ainda tenho minhas suspeitas em relação a hybe, apesar de ter certeza que a big hit sempre tentou manter uma boa relação com eles, enfim, aí já outra história). Mas a mídia expôs a situação da forma como entendeu. Como sempre fizeram, pois eles não se preocupam minimamente com a história do BTS como artista único, e não só uma boyband famosa entre outras, de forma geral. Eles so reforçam estereótipos por pura preguiça.
well as proud as we can be about national culture awards and official status the boys got, it's not a secret that the gvmnt was playing tag and pull with them for years and was very shady and ready to exploit them to the fullest. like how few weeks before bts announced their decision on soon enlistment, there was a new law or smth under revision that would "allow" bts to take 120 days a year to spend away from the military base for concerts, award shows or other appearances, yet by the law they can't make money while enlisted thus the profit would have gone to the gvmnt lol. so they wanted them to serve and produce and write and perform and for free
correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I got the whole situation back then
I have a washer/drier and all the time I've owned it I think I've only used the dryer part about 3 times. It' so much more energy efficient to line dry or use the clothes horses. I prefer line dry as the items just are so nice after drying outside they often don't even require ironing so less energy wastage again and less work with a hot iron.
Are good marketing and working the system considered unfair advantages? That's what steroids implies, right? They are just products we would buy anyway. We are always happy to support when their marketing team use strategies that crack into the system. They gave good value with the new anthology - photo books, poster, cards, a couple new songs, and an entire CD of guide tracks and stuff. It was an easy buy - unlike all the remixes from the English language trilogy that we just bought because we knew they were making a huge push to chart and lay a path to the Grammys. Those were crap, tho. Just the original vocal stems laid over scrambled music, for the most part. 😜😜😜
Anyway, I'm glad to hear that each repackaging go towards the song's sales as a whole. If that's the system, I'm glad they're working it!
marketing manipulation and abusive exploitation is steroids.
Great marketing is fine. Massaging numbers with abuse of a system and the constant drive of bleed all profits from a song is where I feel its not right.
I do not think they(BTS) don't provide value for what they do.
Plus they had to work very hard to have that music that is good enough to compile and repackage.
Steroids in my metaphorical and euphemistic sense isn't always bad but I would like to point it out so we have a better understanding.
@@Jurnalist_ thanks for clarifying!
@@flyushkifly not a problem at all
Yes they are independent in the sense that their label BH was set up as an private company not creatively controlled by the parent company HYBE. That doesn’t just not just BTS. Also TXT and Enhypen are in the same situation
*that doesn’t affect only BTS
true. when we talk about hiatus we think of 1d because its so recent i was a fan of them still fan of their solo stuff but they for sure ended and they were so young suffered a lot simon cowell drained the hell out of them zayn suffered from ed and anxiety and liam with addiction they are so different from bts .bts bond is so special and i believe that they wont disband + they make music the actually like together 1d did not es they caused trauma but thats also because a lot of 1d fans became army but it is so different
But I don't know why as it was clear they weren't on hiatus as 2 of members of 1Direction had already got out of their contract and sign with other record labels. I really don't understand how anyone could have believed the lie they told when the information about their split/disbandment was already evident at the time.
@@eileencritchley4630 ik it was clear but when you're a huge fan of something you tend to kinda believe them? louis himself believed they will come back again niall also said he's ready for it anytime. it's a whole different situation for one direction and directioners
LOL the drier "rant"
Here in Europe we do get how you do things, the most shocking thing to me when I spent 1 year over there was that the movies were accurate about life over there and well... I'll stop here. But I know for a fact too that they are the farthest thing from accuracy when portraying ANY European country xD (most of us still live in caves with no faucets - true story from a Canada apartment hunting visit xD more or less).
And yes, my mom bought a drier 5 years ago ish... Not a fan. I've used them in diff situations, but still love the smell of leaving the clothes to dry in a clothesline or a rack ^^ Here in Germany, they use them 50/50 I guess? Not sure about it. Whereas what I'm 100% is their love for dishwashers. I only use that sh^t when working: either at the office, in the communal kitchen, where someone puts the plates there or when way back I worked 3 years for Starbucks or at my grandpa's restaurant. Since I live in Germany, there is always one included which I use as storage for lids and whatnot lol
Anthology albums isn’t steroids bc there are 3 new songs and a full disc of demo songs. The new song (title tack- yet to come) was the one that charted the highest (13th on billboard hot 100)
all the old songs having meta data that numerically boost the song metrics is steroids. the 3 new songs hold no bearing here.
They were burnt out, from the anniversary dinner video. It was an emotional video to watch tbh, and a lot of fans, me included, needed a day or so to process it. But ultimately, like you said, there’s really no reason for them to break up at this point. And there’s no sign that they don’t mean their promise to reunite as a group. The speed at which kpop releases happen are unsustainable, and eventually the slow down was gonna happen. Most of us are used to one album every few years anyway with non kpop musicians.
It’s nice to see RM showing his desire to make new music during Indigo interviews etc. In a way, BTS was becoming kind of a figurehead for some diplomacy stuff, and while they shouldered the new role admirably, I imagine it’s draining in a different way (and probably contribute to the burn out). They are bigger than they ever dreamed of becoming, and they admit to being stressed by that several times since 2017.
I live in sunny part of US and I can count on one hand the number of times I used the dryer that came with my house. Growing up in Asian family, it was pounded into my head not to waste resources (and money)! Also, my mom always said sun-dry clothes feel better and supposedly kill any chemicals that might still be on the clothes from washing. Myth or not? Don't know but to save my electric bill (because my dryer is old, and not energy-saver), I line dry my clothes outside in my backyard ;)
Love it. Here in the UK hardly anyone use's their Dryer part of a Washer/dryer we tend to put the clothes outside on a washing line or rotary line or hang them on these hanger things. Winter times the clothes get placed on the radiators. Saves energy and we are heavily into saving energy and recycling.
Raising my hand about the anthology albums bit: would it make more or less sense for the songs on the anthology album to waterfall those streams? what does 'certified diamond' mean for a song, aside from saying "this song was streamed 10 million times since its original release"? these are genuine questions, because im not too sure about how that all works and how it benefits an artist
It would make more sense that they do waterfall. It’s the practice I’m trying to make people aware of. Steroids as I call them are not all bad but a lot of people don’t know they are being used is more so my point. So I was noting it with an album that shows the implementation but not in a bad way.
Certified Diamond means you sold 10 million cd sales not streams.
How it benefits the artist. The waterfall of the numbers these songs generate compound and inflate when the repackaging of music happens.
That’s the benefit.
The benefit for Diamond is financial but more so a milestone. To sale that many cds is an amazing feat to do.
some piece of clothing cant go in the drying machine bc it'll shrink up, half of my pants have to be air dried
They didn't pick their biggest songs to go on their anthology.
That’s exactly how most anthology or compilations work. Most artist don’t even have 3 big songs. Compilations are typically bsides and fan favs
@@Jurnalist_ but that's not what they did either.
Im American and use dryer racks. Our town has an ordinance where we can’t use close lines! Ridiculous lol
Thats crazy.
I think of Korean music groups more like theater companies. They can re-convene in different configurations to put on a new production (if that makes sense.)
Great analogy.
I know I’m late, this says a month ago; but BTS are the only artists that are also shareholders in their own company. In 2019; the CEO Bang gifted each member several shares in the company they built and now they each own a piece of HYBE!
So it’s more than just ‘say so’ and just being able to say what they will and will not do! 😜
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Yeah and all artists do anthologies. Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc… remember that these albums are more expensive so you can’t compare them to remixes, esp bc they limited the availability of the cheaper compact version the release week. I appreciate your honesty, but I think you need to temper your remarks bc you should know you don’t know all details of how BTS does things
Just because they all do it doesn't change it from being steroids'. Re-usage of an isrc code repackaged or branded or what ever is effectively manipulating the numbers. They all do it my point is look see this is a prime example of steroids.
The beatles and legacy acts that started this practice did it for the exact same reasons we do it now to increase the numbers and exposure of the music plus we can make more money.
@@Jurnalist_ I disagree that its steroids or a bad thing, but at least you dont think BTS is unique in doing anthologies lol
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I agree that the resale of an album is “steroids” to use your term. This comes from 2 places imo. First, it’s normal in K-pop to do repackages of albums. BTS has been doing that forever. They’ll repackage an album and add a few songs. That’s a common K-pop thing. Second, once we knew that no matter what we would not get American radio spins, the company gave army ways to beat the system. They started to release multiple versions of the MV, so it’s easier to stream, as well as multiple versions of the song. They would sell the song very cheap and then they’d sell a new version of the same album. The second MV drops a week or two after the first one to help with longevity. It’s very well calculated. However, I’m not mad about it. Give army the tools, we’ll do the rest.
Ok, it seems that I have to do more research next time.
@@livuniverse The most beautiful moment in life: young forever, you never walk alone, and love yourself answer are repackages. MOTS:7 also includes 5 songs from the previous album, MOTS:Persona.
@@tina-cu2xt thanks for this reply. I’d add BE Essential edition released 3 months after BE, which was the exact same album with new extras.
Misinformation is serious, so yeah, maybe not jail, but stricter measures.
I have a washer and a dryer and I have a heated clothes stand I don't always use the heated bit some clothes say drip dry only or dry flat
What do you mean you don't dry your clothes like that in america? Why would you use a dryer in Summer? The things I learn in these Videos😂😂
Why would you use a dryer in summer? Well, I don't have a clothes line. Also, my clothes might get sandy/dirty if I hung them outside. Cause dust storms are a thing where I am. And it's so~ hot in summer. I don't want to go outside if I don't have to.
Some people hang their clothes outside (my grandma used to), but most people don't.
@@chere100 when it's summer I just hang them up inside but fair point about the Sand😂
As an American, I will say that unless the clothes tell me they have to be line-dried, they're going in the dryer no matter the time of year lmao
Well, it’s very hot in the summer in this dry climate. The clothes kind of “bake“ and are very stiff. I know people in the UK seem to iron everything based on what I see in movies and on TV, but when we put things in the dryer and fold them as soon as they come out and they’re warm, we don’t have to use an iron. If I have something hanging outside, it is very stiff and needs to go in the dryer to soften up. My towels feel like cardboard!
Curious to know if demos are considered steroids. I mean they had demo versions of their popular songs and also unreleased songs from their vault in the anthology album and so was just curious to know if it would still work in the same way you mentioned in the video?
Demos are not. They are like supplemental vitamins. 😂
Seriously though demos are not where the steroids come in. They come in when you take those demos and repackage them with music that is released. The Want of a fan makes them want to buy those never heard before demos while the already released songs insure the purchase. The issue here is those rereleased songs bolster the sales projections and the prior numerical achievements of the songs that are out steady compound and inflate the numbers. That is where the steroids come in.
19:19 The graphic was just to show how 'interconnected' the members are still with each other, it has nothing to do with Zayn being at the top bacause he's the "leader" there's no leader in 1D, it was most likely unintended
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Hybe only came to be AFTER BTS hit it big. The statement still stands true, they defied all the odds while being with a small independent company. However, yes, as of March 2021, BTS is now part of a huge music label. I'm not sure if we're on the same page, but it sounded as though you are assuming that their big music label made it big partly due to their label. Great reaction as always! 👏
No I’m saying BTS made big hit now hybe into a major label which was a small independent label.
finally, the wait is over. LOL!
I DONT KNOW IF ITS RIGHT TIME FOR U TO REACT TO THIS BUT BTS COMPANY DROPPED A NEW VIDEO YESTERDAY ON BANGTAN TV OF THEIR PREPARATION OF THE FREE CONCERT THEY HELD IN OCTOBER (THIS WAS AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF BREAK AND B4 THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF MILITARY ENLISTMENT ). I HOPE U CAN SEE THAT. ND ITS SO VISIBLE HOW MUCH THEY LOVE DOING THIS CUZ IT JUST SHOWS IN THEIR HARD WORK
33:00 Yes!