Bare Shaft Tuning: Getting the most Forgiveness out of Your Set Up

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  • Bare Shaft tuning will help you get the most accurate and forgiving tune out of your set up. In this video I'll show you my process.
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  • @InsideOutPrecision
    @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety +8

    Hey Precision Junkies! I'm on vacation for the rest of the week with very little internet. Feel free to leave any questions below and I"ll get back to you when I'm home 👍

    • @darrylbattenjr5986
      @darrylbattenjr5986 Před 4 lety +1

      What distance were you at when you shot bare shaft through paper?

  • @ManOverBeast
    @ManOverBeast Před 4 lety +24

    This is absolutely the best way to "super tune" your arrow flight. You did an excellent job of explaining it!

  • @30cpe
    @30cpe Před 4 lety +39

    Great job! I especially enjoy the no music aspect of your videos. Too many youtubers seem to think they need to play annoying background music WHILE they are talking. Thank you for keeping it real!

  • @tysobol
    @tysobol Před 2 lety +2

    I can't tell you how helpful this video was. I watched several others that were similar, but nobody painted such a clear picture of the steps to take and what to look for. I was going back and forth from my garage to my computer after each couple shots and re-watching bits of this until I was shooting bullet holes. THANK YOU!

  • @jons7e
    @jons7e Před 2 lety +1

    Perfect way to do it. A lot of people stop at paper tuning, and this really illustrates that's a starting point and this is how to really dial it in.

  • @kevinhoward2463
    @kevinhoward2463 Před 5 lety +3

    Great video. One of the best I've seen on bareshaft tuning.

  • @TheAllankuz
    @TheAllankuz Před 4 lety

    Getting a new bow and set-up and it's a great time to revisit this video. I find when using this method I'm also solid or things go more smooth when I attach a fix blade and broadhead tune.

  • @wadegrinager5866
    @wadegrinager5866 Před 5 lety +1

    Very good job explaining this have to say it made me run back to the shop and double check everything great channel
    Thanks

  • @Rippinmolips
    @Rippinmolips Před 4 lety

    This is the best breakdown. Always enjoy your videos

  • @garymiller4715
    @garymiller4715 Před 5 lety +2

    Favorite video thus far!

  • @mudbugsoff-road4081
    @mudbugsoff-road4081 Před 2 lety

    This helped an old guy remember how I did this yrs ago...sadly I quit shooting for a while and forgot a lot.. nice refresher

  • @yvantomac9502
    @yvantomac9502 Před 5 lety +7

    It's nice to see someone demystify the bare shaft syndrome ..... most will talk about it, but just don't explain how to fix ..... keep up the good work!!!!

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety +1

      Thank you! Feel free to reach out if you have any questions. Keep it in the middle

  • @MountainMan_NZ
    @MountainMan_NZ Před 4 lety +1

    Excellent video, I am going to bare shaft tune my bow Thanks to this video

  • @stephendockray6698
    @stephendockray6698 Před 5 lety

    Your videos are awesome. Keep up the good job.

  • @pickin4you
    @pickin4you Před 5 lety +6

    Also, tune with the release you plan to use. A different release can change your tuning. Even more noticeable when going from a trigger release to a hand held release. But two release of the same style, but different make can also make your arrows fly different.
    And for those who will do nothing but shoot indoor 300's and shooting 20 yards only, your bow will be a tad more forgiving if you paper tune a tad nock high.

  • @eddiealvarez5493
    @eddiealvarez5493 Před 4 lety

    Great stuff!! You made a believer out of me!

  • @Jonny-wn1fl
    @Jonny-wn1fl Před 4 lety

    Awesome job on this video!

  • @SeaSaltMud
    @SeaSaltMud Před 4 lety

    I just found this. This is awesome. Thank you.

  • @pekjoek
    @pekjoek Před 11 měsíci

    Really well explained, thank you.

  • @zealmarketing923
    @zealmarketing923 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for all the videos - you just earned a sub!

  • @toddwolfe1978
    @toddwolfe1978 Před 5 lety +4

    Man your videos are great! Very useful information and very well explained! Thanks for the tips!

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety +2

      Thanks! Feel free to reach out with any questions

    • @toddwolfe1978
      @toddwolfe1978 Před 5 lety +1

      @@InsideOutPrecision Thanks man will do. I have the same bow and loving it. Bare shaft tunned it to perfection using your info 👊
      I was wondering...why you don't use a back bar for hunting?

  • @monkeymind7246
    @monkeymind7246 Před 3 lety

    Thank you. Great vid!

  • @AlwynKirk
    @AlwynKirk Před 19 dny

    ❤ Great explanations.

  • @toddferrell518
    @toddferrell518 Před 3 lety

    Man I know this video is old but I have a triaxx and I followed this video exactly and tuned my bow that I thought was already tuned , taking note to where everything was at just incase I had to move everything back ,but when I was finished I screwed on a 125 Gn magnus black hornet and from 30 yards cut my plum bob string into and after a few more shots I’m amazed how my Broadheads fly (exactly like my field points ) thanks man for the great information

  • @RcB_1985
    @RcB_1985 Před 5 lety +1

    Great vid keep it up

  • @theguyinmaine
    @theguyinmaine Před 4 lety +2

    Just used this video for a reference. Got rid of my nightmare QAD HDX and went back to a Trophy Ridge Kill Shot Whisker Biscuit. Paper tuned, then walk back tuned as I began sighting in shooting a bare shaft as I moved back. As you said, if it's paper tuned it will be real close. 2 fletch, one bare tight, tight groups every time. Never touched the rest on the way back. Thanks for your time.

  • @compoundbowpro8175
    @compoundbowpro8175 Před 5 lety +1

    Excellent video blog, Continue the beneficial work. Thanks a lot.

  • @ericjung2713
    @ericjung2713 Před 4 lety

    your channels fucking awesome man. answers so many questions that seem so hard to answer. Ive got this PSE and its just shooting twirly arrows like curly fries or something. just so many things wrong with it. ill take it to the proshop and get it tuned and then ill do these fine adjustments myself as my proshop has a range of about less than 8 yards haha.

  • @Erick-ie8ll
    @Erick-ie8ll Před 5 lety +1

    Really good video! I bare shaft tune and don’t even worry about paper tuning with fletched shafts. Would like to see how your broad heads fly after a tune like this.

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety

      Agreed. My fixed blades fly right with my field points out to about 70yds, then start impacting low. But that's because there's more drag

  • @RC_Nerd801
    @RC_Nerd801 Před 5 lety +4

    Do you dynamic tune your arrows? Just learned about this and it tightened up my groups immediately. Love your videos! Thanks for all the info.

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety +3

      Yes, "spining" ( dynamic tuning ) definitely helps, especially with small diameter shafts. It ensures they all cone out the bow flexing the exact same way. Thanks for watching man, good shooting to you!

  • @joeybennett1491
    @joeybennett1491 Před 3 lety

    I really like the video, I have a question on bare shaft being mock right or left, if you shoot a bareshaft with a fletched arrow and nock of the bareshaft is right with the impact of the arrow being right of the fletched arrow, should you go back to a bareshaft arrow to get it as straight as possible before fletching?
    If it’s close, , do you just fletch, shoot to watch grouping and then micro adjust your rest as you did?

  • @gsstyles1
    @gsstyles1 Před 3 lety

    You might want to try showing with arrows on an overview shot what you’re talking about versus wiggling your hand around

  • @ryanflores8916
    @ryanflores8916 Před 3 lety +1

    What would you suggest after having your bow tuned, and your 1st 20 yard shots to
    sight in are 50-50 such as 1 shot will be center bulls eye and the other miss the entire bag by 3ft

  • @johnkrieg9933
    @johnkrieg9933 Před 3 lety

    Great information. It would be helpful if you would explain that these adjustments are for a left handed
    shooter and how these adjustments would change if you are shooting right handed. Keep up the good work.

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 3 lety +2

      No the rest movements are the same whether you're rigjt or left handed

  • @TheChas60
    @TheChas60 Před 5 lety

    Like that. Thanks.......maybe show how to tune broadheads and field tips to shoot together....Thanks.

    • @ManOverBeast
      @ManOverBeast Před 4 lety +1

      Fixed broadheads will shoot like field tips using this method of tuning. Once you're tuned in this method you will have no worries.

  • @natecarter5
    @natecarter5 Před 5 lety +4

    Nice video, all your stuff is great. The only thing I would recommend is adding a bit of electrical tape wrapped around the back of your bare shaft. This will add the same weight on the back of your arrow to match up with your fletchings and arrow wrap. Not that I would be able to shoot good enough that this would come into play while bare shaft tuning for me... :).

  • @CMsports12
    @CMsports12 Před 3 lety

    I know this video is two years old but you do a great job explaining tuning! Anyways I ordered the new bowtech solution and haven’t gotten it yet but can I use the deadlock cams to adjust rather than my rest?

  • @Ahmad0819
    @Ahmad0819 Před 3 lety

    I have been bare shaft tuning for quite some time now. Trying different spines and weight up front. When I think I have it and I start shooting bullet holes, I end up shooting that same set-up again and find that I can’t get bullet holes. I fletched an arrow recently that was getting bullet holes and now that it’s fletched it’s getting right tears. I know it’s obviously my form changing or being inconsistent, and as much I try to get consistent it is still off. When do you say call it good? I’m driving myself crazy over here!

  • @steve8828
    @steve8828 Před 5 lety

    Very informational. Thank you. There is a lot of "bad" info out there on this subject. Thanks for helping clear this up. Is there any reason to bare shaft tune beyond 20 yards?

    • @zachattack4982
      @zachattack4982 Před 4 lety

      It's hard to be accurate enough beyond 20 yard to tell you anything.

  • @Bullbluegill
    @Bullbluegill Před 4 lety

    What kind of string do you have on that bow? I want to know what NOT to run....I don't like to fix peep position every time i shoot.

  • @SeaPro360
    @SeaPro360 Před rokem

    So you moved the rest a CH to the bareshaft direction? The fletched arrow passed the bareshaft and you moved it left again?

  • @shanestout3543
    @shanestout3543 Před 2 lety

    Okay I have a question I am having issues trying to tune my Hoyt torrex compound bow. It's almost like no matter what I do the spine of my arrows seem to still be too weak but at the same time I can't tell if it's just the arrow is not knock turned or if my bow is not in tune. Where should I start any comments would be greatly appreciated

  • @torreyintahoe
    @torreyintahoe Před měsícem

    So when adjusting your rest you move toward the tear vertically and away from the tear horizontally?

  • @paulcrave3112
    @paulcrave3112 Před rokem

    How far from your paper are you from the paper on your initial paper tune shots?

  • @bobbydenezza7795
    @bobbydenezza7795 Před rokem

    If you bareshaft tune, is it necessary to check your center shot by doing modified French tuning or does your center shot get lined up when you bareshaft tune?

  • @DoubleClutchCarlos
    @DoubleClutchCarlos Před 3 lety

    So I nock tuned my arrows through paper and had a consistent high tear. I lowered my knocking point and shot bullet holes with all 6 arrows. I then fletched one arrow and shot it through paper and I’m getting a low right tear but my bare shafts still shoot bullet holes? What’s the reason for this?

  • @tylereaton7653
    @tylereaton7653 Před 3 lety

    When bareshaft tuning at distance should you pay attention to what the shaft is doing in flight? So I shoot a bareshaft that bullet holes at like 3 feet and 6 feet. Then I take it outside to see if bareshafts and fletched group together. They group together but my bareshafts will be flying tail left or right. Enough you can see it and it is flying at an angle through the air. Is that just normal due to not having the vanes or no?

  • @scottsalz6899
    @scottsalz6899 Před měsícem

    With bare shaft tuning, are there any vertical corrections? Or is bare shaft tuning just a left-right thing?

  • @UrMom_says
    @UrMom_says Před 3 lety +1

    how far are you standing away from the paper?

  • @dxt6
    @dxt6 Před 4 lety

    I paper tune my bows and got a perfect bullet hole from 8 feet all the way to 40 yrds I only shoot mechanical broadheads would I have to do a bare shaft tuning.

  • @CYOTsNiper
    @CYOTsNiper Před rokem

    Do you paper tune the fletched shaft before adding the fletching?

  • @briangregory2458
    @briangregory2458 Před rokem

    Why do you paper tune with a fletched arrow first? In this case, it seemed like the fletched arrow lied to you a little. Why not start with bare shafts first? Thanks for the content.

  • @TheSpeyfisher
    @TheSpeyfisher Před rokem

    Question? Since I shoot the new Bowtech with the ability to adjust my upper and lower cam left or right. When tuning my bow, do I need to move my arrow rest. I understand about porpoising of knocking point! Thank you my friend Excellent Video!

  • @alpinezach
    @alpinezach Před 2 lety

    What about checking your shaft stiffness or weakness when bare tuning?
    You mentioned in beginning and never talk on it. I run a 350 VAP SS. 65lb. 250 up front. 510 gn total.

  • @CYOTsNiper
    @CYOTsNiper Před 2 lety

    My question is after paper tuning I get a bullet hole but then when I check my center shot doing walk back tuning I have to make rest adjustments, won’t this knock off my paper tune in the process?

  • @gorankorovljevic810
    @gorankorovljevic810 Před rokem

    What means if i get bullet hole with bare shaft and paper tear with fletched arrow?

  • @RockyMountainWest13
    @RockyMountainWest13 Před rokem

    great video. i really wish i could come to your shop since you really know what youre doing. this stuff can be a bit daunting for the laymen archer

  • @nimrodmightyhunter6496

    I have a bear Devergent eko that paper tunes a 300 spine and a 350 does fine bare shaft but my pse drive 3B only does good with 350 spine the 300 leaves a bad tear. I'd like to go heavier. Peace Leo

  • @ryanr6656
    @ryanr6656 Před 3 lety

    what did the paper look like after you walked it back?

  • @dusanpavlovic2201
    @dusanpavlovic2201 Před 3 lety

    how do i know if my spine is right and when to move rest or cut arrows

  • @ILikeCatsMoreThanILikeYou

    I wish I were a good enough archer to need to do this.

    • @jacobpillow3639
      @jacobpillow3639 Před 3 lety

      You can be just get out there focus on ur hand placement an everything else will fall into place maybe take ur bow to your local pro shop an make sure everything is in time an square thats a good starting point.

  • @steve8828
    @steve8828 Před 5 lety

    Love your videos. Do you use more than one bare shaft arrow? Is it necessary to nock tune? I ask this because I am finding that bare shaft tuning can be difficult, or finicky. Thanks for your help.

    • @flip66five
      @flip66five Před 4 lety +1

      Nock tuning can help define the stiffer side of the arrow... This is ubertuning though, you need to be good good to be able to even tell... If your having trouble effectively bareshaft tuning you either have a bow tune issue or a form issue...bare shaft tuning, nock tuning require a tuned bow and rock solid shooting form and are at the end of the process...you dont just go out and shaft tune.

  • @vickventer53
    @vickventer53 Před 5 lety

    I have a Right Hand Traverse and keep on getting a tail left. My initial thought was spine but from 250 up to 340 I get same tail left. I have the centre shot at 13/16. I had it that you move the rest to the left if you have a tail left but from your video it seems that I need to move it right. In my case this will bring the rest closer to the riser and that can result in vane contact.
    How much closer to the riser can I move centre shot? Will swapping top hats help? Looking at the cams from behind the bow the spacing of the top cam is basically even. Bottom cam is much more to the left almost touching the limb. Itis not that I’m new to the sport. Got my national colors last year in IBO and was the over-all winner of the South African Bow Hunters Association’s 3D shoot in the Fixed Blade Broadhead class. That was with my Bowtech Insanity CPXL. I though I know how to tune a bow.... but I’m not getting the Traverse to where I want it. Specs, 65#, 31.5” DL. Arrows at 31” with 50gn inserts and 100gn tips. Blazer vanes 2” x 3 and Bohning double lock nock and 300 spine. Most charts and calculators indicate 300 spine. Need some guidance. Thx Vick

    • @Keveritt43
      @Keveritt43 Před 4 lety

      Keep your center shot at 13/16. Left tear, move your cam to the left with top hats first. Rest goes to the right only on final micro adjustment. Cams follow the tear, rests go opposite tears.

  • @n377prflightsimulators3

    Hi, what's wrong when the arrow tail is high with bare arrow?

  • @carolbrown8918
    @carolbrown8918 Před 2 lety

    After paper tune.long distance do I just move my sight only

  • @josephtreadlightly5686

    I'm amazed that people won't take that little extra time & synchronize the difference between the fletched arrow & the bare shaft. U can align a car but if the frame or foundation is crooked it won't matter. Then to make things worse they then throw a mechanical on & say good enough. Then they wonder why they have an 8 hour long bloodtrail with no results. I personally will not fletch an arrow unless the field points spin perfect & I know that I have the insert/outsert perfect. I have 5 perfect on my latest arrow build for my new bow & I'm still working on the 6th.

  • @mr.skeptical3071
    @mr.skeptical3071 Před 2 lety

    I may have missed it...how many yards away from paper?

  • @optimuscrime608
    @optimuscrime608 Před 5 lety

    I would add that you need to use the Mathews tophat system if you can’t get the tear out by moving the rest SLIGHTLY. You dont want to go out of recommended centershot per manufacturer

  • @85ZERO17
    @85ZERO17 Před 2 lety

    AT WHAT DISTANCE ARE YOU PAPER TUNING....AND ARE YOU SHOOTING THROUGH AT MULTIPLE DISTANCES TO VERIFY

  • @Bowhunter-ft8cn
    @Bowhunter-ft8cn Před 3 lety

    OK I have some questions for you. I've been playing around with this a bit and am not having the same results on my VXR 28.
    I paper tuned my bow and got it shooting bullet holes with bare shaft and fletched arrow at 6' and 5 yards.
    I went outside and started at 20 yards and after my left and right adjustments, the bare shaft and fletched shaft were hitting together with the bare shaft no more than 1/4" higher than the fletched arrow. I figured this was due to the bare shaft being a bit lighter with no fletchings.
    I then stepped back to 30 yards and my bare shaft hits about 2" higher than the fletched shaft. At 40 yards its about 5" so it keeps climbing as I step back further.
    I moved my rest down and it improved a bit but only to a certain point. From there on, the bare shaft and fletched arrow point of impact move together with any adjustments of the rest and the bare shaft stays at about 4" higher than the fletched shaft and they don't get any closer. What am I doing wrong here? Thanks.

    • @eligunnoe8
      @eligunnoe8 Před 2 lety

      You have to think the weight of the
      Fletching and glue etc. Are going to add weight which will give you a greater gap at distance

  • @Ima.Eat.Chu123
    @Ima.Eat.Chu123 Před 2 lety +5

    How do you account for difference between arrows in your quiver? If they are not all spine aligned, how do you know your 1 bareshaft arrow is what you should be making decisions on?

    • @joa-squidfukker1372
      @joa-squidfukker1372 Před 2 lety +1

      Simple. Use the spine aligned arrow to tune. Once youve got bullet holes fletch the rest and shoot. If they don't group well or have clean flight rotate the nock to different positions until they're shooting good. It's called nock tuning

  • @jaysonallen3100
    @jaysonallen3100 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for the great content you share! I can get bullet holes fletched and bare shaft at about 4 yrds then when I step back to 10 yrds I'm nock high. Adjust rest up to hit bullets again but then I'm nock low back in at 4 yrds.. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

    • @jeremyanderson5752
      @jeremyanderson5752 Před 4 lety

      I’m having the same issue.

    • @jaysonallen3100
      @jaysonallen3100 Před 4 lety

      @@jeremyanderson5752 I watched other videos which talked about how paper tuning at 5 yrds is optimal. Further back is giving the arrow too much time to react to the forces applied to it giving misleading results. Depending of course on many factors including spine, tip weight and draw weight. I paper tuned at 5 yrds and moved on. I'm shooting 6" groups at 60 yrds. I feel like I should focus on my form now at trust my setup. Cheers!

    • @michaelturner9450
      @michaelturner9450 Před 3 lety

      Have you checked vane clearance? Sharpie on rest and check for Mark's on flethings.

  • @ronnielkier
    @ronnielkier Před 4 lety +1

    Great video !
    What type paper are you using ?
    Do you sell it ?

    • @rickokain3853
      @rickokain3853 Před 3 lety

      Most people use waxed butchers paper, the same stuff that is used for wrapping briskets and the like in bbq. the waxed paper only shows true tears

  • @dacodacalhoun9736
    @dacodacalhoun9736 Před 3 lety

    What is ur arrow set up?

  • @davetackett8126
    @davetackett8126 Před 3 lety

    One More Step Needed: Nock Tune Your Bare Shaft, Surprising To Get Up To 10 degree Angular Change in Arrow Flight Without Having To Keep Messing With The Arrow Rest To Compensate. If You Need To Split Hairs That Closely.

  • @b12khx89
    @b12khx89 Před 5 lety +3

    Please do a spine selection video... For compounds there's very little out there

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety +1

      I actually have a video where I talk about arrow spine! If you have any specific questions though I'd be happy to answer them!

    • @b12khx89
      @b12khx89 Před 5 lety

      @@InsideOutPrecision I've had a look at the spine video and understand arrow spine and how to select and tune arrows as I've shot olympic recurve and can bareshaft + paper tune my recurve bow and also use the Easton chart to pick a suitable shaft for tuning
      However with my compound I've not been getting decent groups and for the past few days I've been trying to paper tune but can't seem to get a tail right high tear out
      At 30" - 6 feet from the paper I almost get a bullet hole, sometimes nock height is level but I get a slight right tear other times nock high right tears..... I've shot with the string away from my face just incase it was face contact on the string but there was very little difference... At short distances I can get the bullet hole
      I've moved the rest, adjusted the rest height and tension on the rest from super stiff to almost holding the arrow weight... But if I step back say 5 yards I get nock high right tear... I can fine tune the nock high but not the nock right as the tear is around 2"+
      I've shot with open relaxed hand and normal grip with a finger sling
      I've even cranked the bow down 6 turns to reduce the weight but no difference and shot with and without stabilisers
      I've shortened my drawlength from 27" to 26.5" but the only difference is I feel cramped on the 26.5" so have gone back to 27" otherwise I have to raise my bow shoulder to accommodate the shorter drawlength, with the 27" my release elbow is a little low but the shots are consistent because I can get the shafts to touch at 10 yards... I can draw level and bring the hand to anchor without craning my neck to find the peep so it feels comfortable and can handle the bow weight
      (my recurve I shoot 26.5" drawlength and 47# on the fingers)
      I've shot pulling hard into the stop to having just enough pull to hold it in the valley, no difference other than the feeling of the shot... Using a thumb release truball max pro 4... I can trigger it using my thumb or pull through the shot using arm/back tension with my thumb wrapped around the trigger
      I have a PSE stinger extreme, draw weight approx 50# (measured at 49.6# using my digital scale)
      My arrows are Easton XX75 platinum plus... 2016 at 29" and Easton XX75 platinum plus... 2013 at 28"... I think the point weight is the standard nibb that's around 70grn
      The 2013 show less of a right tear but still nock high
      Shooting with the fletch and bareshafts at 10 yards.. Unfortunately that's all I have at home I can get the arrows to group within an inch of each other and the bareshaft lands left of the fletched arrows with nock kicked up within an inch of the group
      If I watch the arrow flight there is a kick right of the nock which shows up on the paper tune at around 5 yards
      The only thing I haven't tried is cutting down the shafts to 27"... I have an arrow saw so can try that but if the arrow isn't right, then will that help?
      Are the arrows weak or stiff... Kinda hard to work out for compounds... Recurve finger release its a stiff reaction
      The cable guard has enough fletch clearance approx 1/8 of an inch+... I've also tried moving that
      Arrow is level and centre shot as close to straight as I can get it
      The question is how do I use the chart... Do I use the ATA bow rating 316 with my drawlength and draw weight to select the spine group or do I need to buy a chronograph and measure the speed at my drawlength
      I'm interested in target compound and not hunting and would like to progress further with this.. Just having a hard time at the moment getting consistent groups out to 18m/20 yards at the club

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety

      @@b12khx89 whoo, that is a lot to take in. What kind of rest are you running? For a right handed shooter a tail right/high tear that won't leave is usually a sign of too stiff an arrow. Try increasing point weight. The rest will have a lot to do with it as well. Cable driven drop aways sometimes don't support the arrow long enough for bows with nock travel, which the stinger does.

    • @b12khx89
      @b12khx89 Před 5 lety

      @@InsideOutPrecision the rest is an avalon tec one rest... Nothing fancy but I did try and move it to tune and it ended up looking like the arrow was pointing away from the bow more than my recurve has ever done so I've gone back to all square
      I'm still working on my form and using my old recurve arrows in the meantime, the XX75 platinum plus are limited for different points with heavier weights so kinda stuck there... I'm not shooting compound for competition yet but would like to get better so tested it via the paper tune as I can see weird arrow flight if I watch the arrow
      I wondered how you would use the Easton guide to select an arrow as it has different ATA speed ratings and using the bow weight and drawlength information it kinda puts me in T6/T7...which is probably wrong
      I am working on getting a form video done for you... The UK weather is getting better so I'll be in touch via your instagram

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety +2

      @@b12khx89 that rest could definitely be part of the problem. I'd try a limb driven drop away like the Vapor Trail Gen7. Also I'd recommend going to an all carbon arrow in a 400 spine cut at 27-27.5". As far as paper tuning, I generally just paper tune at 6-10 feet and get a bullet hole with a bare shaft and a fletched shaft, then shoot them at 20yds and micro adjust my rest until they hit together.
      Definitely send me a video when you get a chance!

  • @bobbydenezza7795
    @bobbydenezza7795 Před rokem

    I read 2 articles when I Googled how to bareshaft tune and one article says if you shoot a fletched arrow and a bareshaft arrow and if the bareshaft arrow hits to the right of the fletched arrow, move the rest to the RIGHT towards the bareshaft (chasing the bareshaft). And then the other article says if you the bareshaft and fletched arrow and if the bareshaft would hit to the right of the fletched arrow, move the arrow rest to the LEFT towards the fletched arrow (chasing the fletched arrow).
    I'm confused. Which one is it? I'm guess you should move your rest towards the fletched arrow since the bareshaft is expected to be shooting bad and you're trying to fix it to match the way the fletched arrow is shooting so you can group them together. Which one is it?
    Thanks.

  • @kylegauker8892
    @kylegauker8892 Před 5 lety +4

    How about what to look for when buying a used bow?
    I had bought a used bow from a reputable dealer in Dec that had replaced strings and limbs so I thought it was good to go but this last weekend one of my cables broke which basically blew the limbs, cams and mods apart, had it been hunting season i could have been SOL. Luckily i was shooting at a dealer shop and he had all new parts and was able to get me going again. What do others do in this situation if it was to happen to you? Do a lot of people have back up bows just in case?

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety

      Unfortunately most companies only honor their warranty with the original buyer. That really sucks that happened to you though, usually a used bow is legit!

    • @kylegauker8892
      @kylegauker8892 Před 5 lety

      @@InsideOutPrecision Yea I know most companies only warranty new bows. I consider myself lucky that I was only into this NO CAM for $80 before it broke so getting it fixed was still a no brainer. I was just thinking that other people may benefit (especially new archers) from a video on what to look for if they are buying a used bow.

  • @sethhenderson8593
    @sethhenderson8593 Před 2 lety

    Are you nock tuning first?

  • @jdonez8347
    @jdonez8347 Před 9 měsíci

    I've got about an inch and half tail high tear thru a whisker biscuit so I can't adjust my rest, is there anything I can do to try and get the tear to tighten up.

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 9 měsíci

      That’s just kinda the deal with whisker biscuits. Not much you can do

  • @synicktdorji4190
    @synicktdorji4190 Před 3 lety

    I have mathews trx 36 bought on ebay. did top hat tuning but both the cams are leaning out side. with hoyt hyperedge it was easy to make straight. how do I do with trx 36 it has no yoke

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 3 lety

      Well the moving the tops hats will lean the cams in order to tune. Worked the same way with your hoyt. Lean the cam right or left to take out a right or left tear through paper. It doesn't hurt anything. If its shooting good holes through paper just leave it alone

  • @KowboyUSA
    @KowboyUSA Před 2 lety

    Explains why every factory arrow in a box usually flies differently.

  • @jordanpowell228
    @jordanpowell228 Před 4 lety +1

    Kellem where does the brown paper come from? Is it packing paper for shipping purposes?

  • @chris31795
    @chris31795 Před 3 lety

    Question: wouldn't the high left rear not be because of the vanes not steering, but because you've taken about 18-24 grains of weight from the back of your arrow and weakened the spine a bit?

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 3 lety

      It would actually stiffen the spine, but I haven't ever had an issue with it. 18 grains would never be enough to effect a tear that bad

  • @myronriggs9613
    @myronriggs9613 Před 2 lety

    I’m pretty new to archery. I bought a diamond 320 from Scheels. When they set it up for peep sight and poundage should they have paper tuned it in.

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 2 lety

      That bow is pretty difficult to paper tune so they probably didn't take the time to.

  • @KoShuFW
    @KoShuFW Před 2 lety

    if you were to use 2 papers with 2 inches between (2x2 or 2x4 frame :-) ) you would know exact degree of misalignment and calculate your triangle and know how much you need to move your rest in 1 shot. provided your form is good of course.

  • @ricardoruiz6612
    @ricardoruiz6612 Před 4 lety +3

    first shot you moved the rest to the left when the fletched arrow was on the right of the bare shaft. next you shot the bare shaft to the right of the fletched arrow and you move the rest to the left. am I missing something?

    • @999gloryhog
      @999gloryhog Před 2 lety

      He said it backwards then what it was shooting. Nock high left he said right.

  • @stephanepiat3683
    @stephanepiat3683 Před 5 lety +1

    Do u mind having a nock low (I.e arrow pointed up) to get rid of a low bare shaft (high tear)?

    • @RKeaton
      @RKeaton Před 4 lety

      Stephane Piat good question. I have my powermax set ~1/8” nock low, otherwise my bottom cam needs to be advanced to the point where the wall gets mushy

  • @outdooroverdose322
    @outdooroverdose322 Před 3 lety

    My bare Shafts keep on giving me a right tear, no matter where I move my rest I am still having a right tear. I could really use some help, thank you!

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 3 lety

      Sounds like too stiff of an arrow spine. Whats your spine/arrow length?

    • @outdooroverdose322
      @outdooroverdose322 Před 3 lety

      Inside Out Precision 330spine 27 1/2 length I had these arrows paper tune last year but for some reason I cannot get them to do it now

  • @benjamincooper8531
    @benjamincooper8531 Před 5 lety

    Do you have any experience with the trophy taker smackdown lockup rest? Seems like it would be a great hunting rest as long as it's reliable.

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 5 lety +1

      We have some on order, but haven't got to play with them yet. If it's similar to the cocking mechanism that rip cord or QAD uses, it's gonna have issues haha. But if it works it will be awesome!

    • @benjamincooper8531
      @benjamincooper8531 Před 5 lety

      @@InsideOutPrecision If you could do a review on them that would be great! I'd definitely get one if they are good to go.

  • @gaelewis6623
    @gaelewis6623 Před 2 měsíci

    Which arrow should I be using for hunting fletching or no fletchings?

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 2 měsíci

      Honestly this is more of a target archery tuning method. Get a bullet home from 5 yards with a fletch shaft and your broad heads should fly really well

  • @hcr1248
    @hcr1248 Před 4 lety

    I am currently shooting the Hoyt RX1, my first bow ever but I’ve learned a lot with it and started building my own arrows but I want to do a new build with a Vertix. When I go in to the pro shop to get my bow and get it set up, should I take a couple arrows that I’m going to shoot, fletched and bare just to test both? And to be on the safe side take a Broadhead that I’m going to be running as well just to make sure everything checks out? Thanks

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah I'd take your arrows to tune it. Make sure they know what they're doing when it comes to bare shaft tuning. Some times they will make things worse if they don't know how to read it properly haha!

    • @hcr1248
      @hcr1248 Před 4 lety

      Inside Out Precision Oh man! I hope they do!😬

  • @niklassvensson9119
    @niklassvensson9119 Před 4 lety

    Can i paper tune with only moving my rest? I dont have a bowpress to adding turns to the string is a no go at the moment. I did do it moving only the rest when i gott my bow, but just want to confirm that im doing it rigth.

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah you can, just won't be as forgiving with your rest way out of center

  • @jaysears06
    @jaysears06 Před 4 lety

    I have a vxr 28. Specs are 28/60 arrow is an easton da torch 330. I keep getting a nock low tear, I've tried lowering rest, raising nock point and nothing helps. The only way i can fix it is to make the bottom cam hit first and i know that's not the correct way to tune a bow, so what should I do to fix it? I have my own press and draw board.

  • @welderoo
    @welderoo Před 4 lety

    At 7:08 you saying that moving rest moves the back of arrow? It's the furthest thing forward touching the arrow moving the rest should be moving front of arrow should if not ?

  • @tbaylo4034
    @tbaylo4034 Před 3 lety

    I noticed your bare shaft doesn’t even have wraps on it. Did you add something like electrical tape to the bare shaft in order to get the weight the same as a fletched shaft? You are probably 30 or more grains lighter with the bare shaft if not.

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 3 lety +1

      You can add a wrap if you want, but I've never had an issue not having one. I suppose if you really want to mimic your vane weigjt you could though. Those mini blazers only weight 12 grains (all 4) and wraps only weight 7. Thats barely more than the weight nock so it shouldn't have any effect

  • @dgriff03
    @dgriff03 Před 2 lety

    Why wouldn't you add tape to the back of your arrow to match the weight of the vanes? Wouldn't that make a difference?

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 2 lety

      Hasn’t in my experience. But if you were really on the bubble of being under spines I suppose the extra 20 grains could make a difference

  • @prangstin
    @prangstin Před 3 lety

    Soo in theory once your tuned and matching at 20y will your paper tune be out o wack? The way it looks is your just using it as a starting point. Also with my bowtech with duel yokes could I yoke tune the bareshaft and keep my center shot perfect?

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před 3 lety

      Yes you can definitely use the yokes and not mess with the rest!! And yeah, paper tuning is usually just a starting point

  • @michaelmorrison164
    @michaelmorrison164 Před rokem

    After bare shaft and paper tuning do your broad heads fly like field points?

  • @bobbydenezza7795
    @bobbydenezza7795 Před rokem

    In the beginning of this video When it comes to making adjustments to your rest when you paper tune a bare shaft, does the same concept pertain to that just like it does when paper tuning a fletched arrow? (Meaning if you have a tail right, move rest to the left. If you have a Tail left, move rest to the right, if you have a Tail low, lower rest and if you have a tail high, raise your rest.) Same adjustments with bare shafts?

    • @InsideOutPrecision
      @InsideOutPrecision  Před rokem

      Correct

    • @bobbydenezza7795
      @bobbydenezza7795 Před rokem

      @@InsideOutPrecision Is it necessary to strip off the fletchings off all your arrows and bare shaft tune all your arrows or just have one bare shaft arrow to work with fletched arrows?