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@@metalac7722 those guys who keep cursing you for not wearing something right? I've never been in a match with these, but I've been in matches with racist people as fuck, or people saying something prejudiced
@@TheHorselessHeadlessFellow bro ive been kicked from a match because i was using pyro. (no gas passer, just a backburner with detonator) yet just before i got kicked i dealt more damage than half the team, probably because of the scout distracting the bots for me to attack them from behind but eh.
A quote from Fawful’sMinion really sums up how I feel about this situation… “Knowing when to let bygones be bygones is crucial in being happy; sometimes, you can’t do anything about it, and you gotta let the past die before it kills you. But, listen to me, I’ll say it again: SOMETIMES. But when everyone knows for an indisputable fact that you can do EVERYTHING about it, letting that past die IS what’s gonna kill you. You disappoint me more than anybody else, Valve.”
@@GoEatATowel "There's more than one way to skin a cat" as the old adage goes, there has to be more than one way to get the concerns across other than review bombing - social media Reddit or Twitter, old-school letters with pen & paper, perhaps even traditional news or big fat signs on WWE if we have to go harder - and it might not NEED to be solely negative (gotta put **something** sweet onto that medicine, or at least try to give some kind of credit to those at Valve who still care), fans like Zesty are coming from a place of love with such strong criticism, it simply can't be impossible to get the message across.
I'm always just blown away at how Valve can create these IPs that are strokes of genius and then just up and abandon them. They still somehow haven't found the balance of giving players the freedom to use their tools, but not to rely on the community completely for keeping their games alive.
@@sankdom4598 "Used to" bruh their last good game was only 2 years ago lets not act like they've never made a game since Half-Life 2. Also this whole "VaLvE aBoNdoNeD Tf2!!!1!" Argument is stupid af. As long as you can still download it and play it, the game hasn't been abandoned. Just because it's not getting massive 1.5 GB updates anymore doesn't mean the game is in ruins or Valve wants every TF2 player to kill themselves or whatever. You don't see people getting angry about Valve's singleplayer games not getting updated, do you? So why should it be different for their multiplayer games? Why should the addition of multiplayer change their update priorities in any way? They don't have to update the game forever, it's been 15 fucking years. A decade and a half and they're still keeping the servers up. Get over it.
@@escapethematrix4204 Money is literally not the issue here, Steam is a money printing machine and so long it exists Valve will never run out of funding. I believe valve has likely slowly distanced themselves from tf2 likely because they want to move on to other projects like new shiny VR games and technology. Not as a higher executive decision but as an individual developer and programmer one, since the developers likely chose to work in newer exiting projects rather than work in a 15 year old game with ancient spaghetti code that's a hell to work with that urgently needs an entire makeover. Which is why there is like a single unpaid intern Trying his damn hardest to singlehandedly pump out patches and fix some issues.
@@creeperhunterD Considering how you don't see the difference between abandoning a singleplayer and multiplayer game I have no reason to believe you even played tf2
Welcome to Stockholm Fortress 2. After 9000 hours of playtime, hopefully it will have been worth the bots. The sad thing is: if TF2 up and died, if everyone stopped spending money on it, Valve would just say "Well, guess that's that" and bin it. The game's older than most of its players at this point, they got their money back on it and more. So in all possibility, they're just riding it out until it's unsalvageable, at which point the servers all shut down and the localization patches stop coming. And you know we're never getting a TF3.
Well, although TF3 is likely never coming, a group of audacious individuals are recreating TF2 in the source two engine, which is going well in development, so it's looking like the best hope we have.
Awesome beard man. I haven't played tf2 in months. I'm will come back but only when valve will eventually take action. This game has a lot of potential and its just..sad to see it this way. I grew up wiht the sfm and songs etc yet I stil love tf2.
I abandoned it as well, it hurts when you get your first unusual hat, to only show it to a bot army and the few stray on community servers. Cause spending money on a game that doesn't work is worth it🙄
Chance is, if valve is so out of touch that they don't really recognize the bot problem of tf2 as something needing priority, they are guaranteed to not heed this video. Unless literally all of tfTubers rally and make a big loud ruckus out of this. I don't know, that seems like how it works nowadays.
That's the issue. We've BEEN making a loud ass ruckus, yet Valve refuses to listen. Anything short of an IRL protest outside their corporate offices will be ignored by Valve at large.
@@TF2_n_n No. Being violent is only going to reinforce whatever bias Valve has against us. We need to be peaceful, yet firm in how we deal with the situation at hand. We also, as a community, need to agree on what should be fixed.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 I see what your getting at. However I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say most people probably don't want to wait another year. Being firm clearly hasn't worked.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 An IRL protest has worked before, so if it were done peacefully, just signs and standing around pretty much, that may be enough. It doesn't even have to be that many people
Honestly Im surprised people like to just make excuses "Oh you can kick bots easily-" "Oh its just a few devs you gotta understand-" "The playbase is still kicking its a never dying game-" The shit that tf2 has gone through and the horrid state its left to rot in, that has shown no improvement of fixing itself in years at this point is honestly the most horrid thing ive seen in gaming never have I seen a game full of game issues, bugs, cheaters, bot invasions, and a fanbase trying to tackle itself in bloody wars just to smile and ignore the issues at hand
I'm noticing a resemblance between the Stockholm Syndrome in TF2 and a certain other real life phenomenon affecting the general world where people love to compromise freedoms step by step lol.
@@seronymus its understandable on a level since tf2 is such a big thing to hold onto and hard to let go but the only thing the game now a day does is do seasonal workshop hats (that ppl are at war over for how awful the standard is but creators demand to keep it this way to get paid) and to get expensive unusuals out of them thats an even worse state than most online store games
Just a reminder, Gabe himself said about a year ago that valve is aware of tf2's bot problem and here we are still dealing with the bot crisis since 2018.
@@paulussoler Yeah but he at least knows that tf2 is infested with bots. That means we know that valve has been aware of the bot problem and nothing has been done about it.
Valve's crossed a line several yards back. Several of these in-game issues have existed for years on end now, and most of the changes they've made has made things worse. Silencing and limiting F2P's did nothing. They effectively made the game paid like they did at launch. In 2007. Valve is a game developer, but isn't acting like it at all. It's just sad at this point. And what's worse is that it's pretty much solely reliant on the Steam community. There will come a point where TF2 will be held up by no one. At all. The game is pretty much not functional anymore. The bots are only getting worse, and knowing Valve, it won't stop any time soon. What the devs should do is avoid the demise of this game as much as possible. TF2 not dead yet, and we shouldn't experience witness that any time soon. But if Valve continues as is, we'll see it within the next year or so. The community is strong, yes, but it doesn't have the power behind the game that Valve does. Valve has what it needs to fix the game, but they won't, unless by some miracle they actually think a little, and get their head out of their rectum. I love TF2. We all love TF2. If it's going to stick around, Valve should tend to it so that it continues. If they're working on other games and such, that's great. It's a given that TF2 is an aged game, and even though it'll turn 15 this October, the community will still exist for it. But if nothing's fixed, the line will go flat before we know it.
If right now someone were to cause all the community servers to go offline, TF2 would die. That is the ONLY way Valve would take notice, is if all at once the community collectively said "Fuck ad revenue, fuck donations. We're pulling the plug on this game ourselves, and leaving your bot-filled mess as the only option. Either you fix your shit, or the game DIES."
Ironically, muting f2p don't stop toxicity, anyone that wants to will be more than happy to bully a f2p since no matter what you do they can't respond. Also, the mute button exists and since toxicity is so rare, you rarely need to mute anyone, plus toxicity is largely made fun of in tf2, no bully wants to be made fun of, they stop.
The worst part is, the F2p Mute DIDN'T WORK. The bots can still spam their noisemakers, they can still micspam whatever they want, and they can still steal names to get legitimate users banned from the server
I agree with everything you said man, this game is in a bad state now and I quit casual cause it got boring and the bots headshotting me as spy isn't helping either. I'm having a lot of fun on community severs now mainly community game modes so probably just bored of regular game modes now.
TF2: the grandfather with stage 4 cancer Community: the extended family that’s willing to help pay for treatment Valve: the shitty aunt who holds medical power of attorney and would rather have grandpa die so she can get her cut of the inheritance from auctioning off all his stuff
Really hit the "we've become complacent" point on the head. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been in a match that was flooded with bots and just been like "well fuck guess I'll just re-que". That or being in a match that has to kick a bot every 10 seconds, I don't even look at the vote menu anymore I've just been pavloved into pressing F1 automatically. This game still has so much potential I just wish Valve could see that.
Literally anything happens in TF2: Valve: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that." Some controversy happens and gains traction: Valve: *cracks open an eye slightly* "I'm gonna pretend I only saw a little bit of that, have a small band-aid fix."
Valve started out as a small company that created the best story-driven FPS in existance. They then became the guys who published the best puzzle game in existance. Now, they're too busy guarding their Valve from the Payday gang, making money off of Steam and (probably) creating Ready Player One a reality
This is a preemptive reply, I'll probably edit it once I finish the video. I've played this game for over 10 years. It's disgusting that valve continues to profit and sell content for a game they have zero intentions of meaningfully updating or even making playable at all. We shouldn't deal with this, and anyone who participates in the game's economy is a part of the problem. Valve does nothing because they don't HAVE to do anything. EDIT: Pretty much echoed my sentiment exactly. Valve is probably the only company I know that'd strike gold and walk away from it because it isn't platinum.
it really is ironic how valve tried to destroy community servers with their matchmaking... just to end up making community servers the only place where you can acutally play tf2 anymore
I still can’t understand why valve would abandon something that is so popular, TF2 remains to this day, THE free to play game, and the fact that valve refuses the give it even the bare minimum of upkeep is both infuriating and baffling.
Thank you for this, you encapsulate a lot of good points. It baffles me though so much why Valve refuses to at least extend SOME tf2 development to a third party and/or community contributions, when the former especially they ALREADY did that for that abandoned Mannpower soccer mode! Bad Robot studio or whatever it was called designed it. Why are they just leaving everything to rot? It's so maddening
Because of their "flat" management style. Everyone works on what they want. But if they are not productive they are cut. TF2 doesn't bring in enough money. If a dev spends time fixing it, they are not productive enough and get fired. Whereas adding more ways to spend money on steam gets them massive bonuses.
People can say that you are talking into a void or to a brick wall. Which is a dumb mindset to have, in my opinion. Despite the radio silence, I think there is a small chance that valve is listening, it’s just when they want to.
Valve have been listening it's just that they don't give a shit about the game they have steam with basically their main income source they can literally abound all the games they ever made and still be fine as long as they have steam
@@Asura_ZH I mean yeah, when the media picked up on the bot problem like a year ago, then Valve decided to "fix it". By muting them so the media fucked off, they saved their sorry asses lol.
@@sanstheskeleonepunchman5274 It was less than a week ago and there literally hasn't been a TF2 update since. Claiming that they fixed it when there literally hasn't been an update is impossible. If you're going to claim that it's fixed, maybe claim that when THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN AN UPDATE THAT COULD FIX IT.
I tend to disagree with alot of his opponions on balance, but this guy is 100% right with this video. I hope people share this video around cause I have a small feeling that this video could get something started if it blew up. Well said Zesty.
It's been nearly 5 years since the last major update and bots have already ravaged the game beyond repair. It's too late for "starting anything" at this point.
Ive started playing around Halloween in 2020 and I genuinely cannot imagine the state of TF2 without bots fucking inundating the server. I haven’t enjoyed TF2 as of recent months since I’ve grown tired of having days where I simply can’t play since every server is filled with bots. Thank you Zesty for your honesty and commitment to this game. I hope I and others can enjoy the game as it was designed to be.
Started playing in August 2018. TF2 was the entire reason why I got steam. Coming frighteningly soon this year will be the point where half of the portion of my life dominated by TF2 will be bad memories of completely unplayable servers.
CS GO anticheat is worthless, it will only ban the hackers that have those easy to detect cheats aka free, but just about all of the cheaters get banned through overwatch which is the report feature not the anticheat. They usually claim they update it but they only update once in a blue moon compared to hackers who can just update their cheats to be immune in a few weeks or even faster
Yeah it had a hacker problem and they practically made it so you have to pay again to get prime status and be able to play comp (something that people care about in csgo) or most valve servers, practically making it so hackers are mostly matched aganist other hackers or toxic players
@@awakenedfurmissile4617 well, id imagine an anticheat that specializes in the super obvious cheating like that would be perfect for a situation like what tf2 is in right now
@@casualcrusader1547 Except like I mentioned hackers can easily overwrite the script no matter how obvious in fact it has nothing to do with how obvious the cheating is it's whether the anticheat can detect it which the vast majority of hackers in CS GO will never get detected and are forced to be banned through Overwatch. Modern day Overwatch videos are "let's see how many spinbotters we ban today" when it instead should be designed to judge whether somebody is legit or not, hell nobody even hides anymore you're not punished for it you can just make a new account now. TF2 has the exact same thing it has an anticheat for what it's worth but the bots have already been updated to never be detected by it forcing players to kick them
Really, they need to step it up *NOW* that the SteamDeck is now out. There 100% should be a push to get their own games to be as flawless as possible on their own product. If people haven't played TF2, CS:GO, Dota, etc. before now because they didn't have a PC to run it, and now they buy this handheld PC. They need, to address the issues in TF2, and in all their games otherwise it'll show just how little they care about their games, and if they care that little about those products, what does that say for the new PC they're holding in their hands. The thing they just spent 300, 400, 500+ bucks on, how long is that going to be kept up to date and supported before Vavle does what Valve does best and move on to something else amazing and interesting yes, but just leaving everything else they have done up to that point in the dust.
@@darthgamer9861 I don't think they'll just up and drop it. They're onto something, and they'll make a better one with updated hardware and software for sure.
several youtubers in the tf2 community have been calling out to valve ever since this started *2 years ago.* all we've really gotten is small fixes and f2p mutes *this isn't working.*
How did I not know that Zesty had an entire shelf of Bionicles next to them? I feel like I've been denied serious, need-to-know information. 10/10, best channel.
"Exhausted at this point" is accurate for me. I've been pessimistic about it since the beginning, and a big vocal about it here and there, and I just got tired of complaining about it every other day. I really miss TF2.
Valve is getting to a point where Nintendo lays, where they are so out of touch with so many of their fanbases that it kills them. also nice beard dude
"Useless band-aids," yeah right, more like slaps in the face. At this point they're spitting in the face of the community they fostered for a fucking decade.
You brought up an interesting point about how creators don't seem to talk about it anymore and yeah, I think it's been just so long, so so damn long of us constantly complaining and seeing absolutely no results that continuing to care is just wasted energy, it's unfortunate but the truth is that Valve very very likely won't ever fix the bot crisis, they just don't care and they don't have to, it's frustrating, TF2 is one of my favorite games of all time and being FORCED to let go due to the sheer number of bots destroying the experience instead of just naturally losing interest over time hurts.
I “joined” the community back in 2020 because I finally got a pc that could run the game and even the community in its neutered state provided a place for me to have SO MUCH FUN. I wish I was around in the peak days in 2013-2017 because I can only imagine how hype all the new weapons and crates were. Fuck, id gladly take another community update even with how shit of a reputation they got
I heard from sources that Valve can work on whatever game they want, but regular employees will get bad reviews from senior employees (or at worst, get fired) should they choose to work on TF2. This is something I, nor the sources in question, can 100% confirm nor deny.
Valve already knows all of this. I find TF2 interesting still, but unfortunately I already gave up playing, simply because I don't have fun in 95% of the servers I come across, and deep down I don't expect Valve to do anything about it, by now. I'm glad you notice how most of us see the game, but Valve wouldn't go out of their way to fix the bot problem even if you descend into insanity over the state of the game. I enjoy watching people nerd about interests I have, but I wouldn't feel ok knowing one of my favourite content creators will spend the next few years malding over a neglected, dying game. So before you do that, I genuinely recommend you begin looking for new games, or new stuff within your intetests - also to diversify your content here on YT, but most importantly because the channel is about you after all. Do show things you like and deem fit for here. TF2's future is getting narrower and gloomier by the week, but yours doesn't have to.
@@beautifulnova6088 Not only strong but it got updated several months ago so that now it has a better (arguably) interface, more servers, and more maps.
I'll give credit where credit is due and say Uncletopia is pretty darn good for what it is. But I still loathe the competitivization of the servers, forcing no random crits or random bullet spread. The few things that made TF2 just a little chaotic and fun in pubs just aren't really there in Uncletopia. If I wanna use sprays or meme with Demopan or Objectors combo'd with random crits, I just can't unless I go beyond casual into DM servers. There's a good balance of chaos and law in vanilla TF2. With Uncletopia, a lot of that fun is just... not there. I mean, sure, there's plenty of different things you can do competitively, but I don't play TF2 as a game to be a tryhard, I play it to have fun.
The bots at one point started disconnecting the entire list of players on Casual, Specifically when they were kicked. Causing a connection problem that timed everyone out, and due to how casual tries to reconnect you to that same game, some of us return back. Without any contract progress, xp, or score marks from before the disconnect. I had made alot of contract progress that one day I was disconnected. You can't even complete a contract securely anymore.
I haven’t played tf2 for more than 10 hours and I no longer have a pc. But I am kinda surprised by what valve is doing to that game. Honestly I can’t say I care too much. I haven’t played enough nor can I play it. But I still am sad. I love the storylines and the characters. Soldier being my favorite. And I don’t want to see that go away. And hopefully they put more time into fixing it. As that means they might bring it to console( honestly probably not gonna happen but I can still hope ).
This is unrelated, but, I don't think TF2 would be playable on console considering how many tricky tactics actually require you to move your camera at speeds only achievable with a mouse, like Rocket Jumping, Sniper, trickstabs or hell, just playing Scout in general, even spychecking could be problematic.
Everything you said in this passion filled rant is exactly what I’ve held in mind and have wanted to say in a passion filled rant! I’ve sunk far too much money into this game for it to die now, I have weapons I love to look and and destroy people with! But the radio silence and every worsening bot situation is a huge deterrent and makes me play other games. *I don’t want to give up on TF2 but Valve isn’t giving me a choice* If this shit doesn’t get rectified I know for certain I, you, and thousands others will let out a long, sad sigh as we take one last look at the main menu and click ‘quit’ for the final time…
I'll put it this way. I used to play TF2 for maybe.... 30 hours a week. I work 40 hours a week, so that's a pretty huge chunk of my spare time as a whole. I loved TF2, it was my favorite relaxing game, and a great game to have fun, actively try to improve, and just in general enjoy. The community was mostly friendly; and overall, it was a fine community. This was back in 2018... The Bots arrived in late 2019. After a year of this, I got sick of this... 2021, I finally got mad, and left. A year passed. I uninstalled TF2 somewhere in that time... 2022 finally rolled around, and I thought to myself 'hey, maybe they finally fixed it.' I reinstalled it, jumped online... and in 3 games, I realized it has not changed at all. "Well, just play on community servers" If this has to be the answer to bypass a clear problem in the game, the game is not worth my time, especially when community servers have their own share of major problems. 4 years. Sorry, what the f*ck is this? Why is Counter Strike: Global Offensive and Dota 2 both being run so flawlessly, while TF2 is in the garbage can? Honestly, what's it gonna take for Valve to get this settled properly? A class action lawsuit? Valve has become so obsessed with VR, they've lost sight of what's putting money into their bank accounts.
@@seronymus Valve might think VR is the future, and hell, maybe it will be down the road... but at this point, no. We want the games we enjoy fixed; focus the headset in on your spare time, you're a business, you have things to run. Shit, imagine if any other company did things Valve's way. Imagine if a car company straight up stopped making cars while they were designing a new one; seems like a profitable, intelligent business decision; amirite?
@@Kohchu this is what frustrates me the most. most gamers are more than willing to roast Nintendo or other publishers for similar mistakes that Valve makes, but what has Valve done in the last TEN YEARS to warrant so much defense? If nintendo let Super Smash Ultimate rot with a hacking problem Arlo and every other channel would be pumping out videos calling them out and yet Valve can fight to avoid giving out refunds for years and still be seen as the good guys?!
Zesty speaking the truth to deaf ears and getting hate for it, the tf2 community only cares about what four-five of the BIG MASSIVE content creators have to say and anything get's massive amounts of hate. (also this aint to make fun of Zesty but with that beard he kinda looks like John Krasinski from the office, he played Jim, also that handsome medic is amazing, did ya make that yourself?)
What happens with TF2 is absolutely bizarre. It's a game with a lot of active players, that is still in the top 10 of most played games on Steam, being totally neglected and abandoned by its creators. Why? there are tons of developers that could only wish to get 50k returning players with the game they sweat over every single day, and here's Valve just chilling in the corner and pretending TF2 doesn't exist. Valve's behaviour concerning their games is not just unacceptable, it's idiotic. There's simply no other way to describe it. It's insane in a bad way. Everybody knows the behaviour is idiotic, everybody is calling Valve to action to "do something", but it doesn't have any effect. And you know why? Because Valve has Steam. They have literally not a single reason to do anything at all because Steam is going to keep them alive anyway. At this point I'm hoping that they get acquired by Microsoft or something, just so someone can put them to work. Don't get me wrong: I love the work that they do stick with. But I hate the piles of burning garbage that they leave behind because nobody wants to do it, because at the end of the day that's the problem. Nobody wants to work on TF2 other than fixing a few minor bugs.
I can't believe that a company who made great games from my childhood (e.g counter strike 1.6, L4D) is doing this greediness and despite their community being forgiving they are taking advantage of it just to be greedy.
I find it both hilarious and incredibly saddening to watch you guys still scream at a brick wall. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. Absolutely splendid.
Yeah dude, imagine getting pissed at something and wanting somewhere to vent. What idiots, having any emotion and not being indifferent to everything bad that happens...
What else can we do? Th only 2 strategies for a true tf2 fan are: Ignore, Complain, Abandon. There's simply not much else that we can do short of what, storming Valve HQ?
@@seronymus Abandoning this utter dumpster fire is honestly what I suggest you and everyone else does. This game should've died out a while ago. I have no idea why you guys still are able to tolerate this shit.
@@ARatherDapperFoxoBoi Blind nostalgia. Some people really dont want to leave this game. For once. The other half is probably the people who spent way too much time and money and just refuse to let it go to waste.
i'm so glad someone finally told valve that cheating is bad thank you zesty nobody else was brave enough to say this directly to valve. i don't think they knew about this but now they know
I hope someone at Valve sees this and makes some kind of statement. Anything at all. Is anyone working on fixing the bots? Are they just letting the bots go wild in hopes that they won’t have to bother fishing some random hats and maps from the community workshop a whole three times a year? I just want to hear something about it, I just want a definite answer. It’s no longer “I hope we get a content update”, it’s now “I hope we are told that we will not be getting a content update”
I fucking love TF2, but when I tried to play some Casual with a friend on a weekend we spent 30 minutes jumping servers to try a server not majority of bots, and ended up playing MvM.
I've been done playing this shitshow for a few years now, I just keep watching the channel not because of the content, but because of Zesty himself lmao.
Tf2 is my favorite multiplayer game of all time, it's been there for me since it's inception and it means so much to me. The amount of time and money that I have poured into this game is a lot to say the least, and I haven't played since like December because the state of casual is just almost unplayable. Amount of times you have to reroll to get a lobby without bots in it is unacceptable, I won't even lie I've been considering selling off my unusual collection because even though I love the game and I never want to part with some of these items that are very very meaningful to me I just cannot keep supporting or hold money in the game that doesn't treat its player base with even the basic respect of making that game playable
yes this video is pointless and does nothing but now I feel better
It's alright, Zesty. You rock, like the G-Man once said: A man in the wrong place can make a world of difference.
Indeed. But so is life, so anyway.
Starts beatboxing*
Eh, it's better to let your anger out than leave it pent up inside.
I feel the same way and now I feel better that someone (or pretty much everyone) has the same reason to be angry.
Understandable
Zesty looks like he went off the grid to start his own underground drug ring
Man's needs to invest in his bionicals collection
man's looking like a Hotline Miami major npc
I'm down for Zesty turning into TF2's equivalent of John McAffee.
@@Calvin_Coolage Zesty Jesus didn't kill himself
Zesty and the Gang Start an Illegal Underground Bot Hunting Ring
You know Zesty is serious when he grows a beard and puts on his Texas hat.
some could say hes doing it *Texas style...*
@@WAtheAnum he would also say *use* *more* *gung*
I’m scared now
YYYEEEEE HAWWWW
From Zesty-You better start praying boy
To Valve
Community servers and mvm are literally the only ways to play the game now. I wish with all of my soul that Valve will do something. I really wish.
Sometimes not even mvm
Fked up innit
@@metalac7722 those guys who keep cursing you for not wearing something right? I've never been in a match with these, but I've been in matches with racist people as fuck, or people saying something prejudiced
Casual is literally mvm at this point
@@TheHorselessHeadlessFellow bro ive been kicked from a match because i was using pyro. (no gas passer, just a backburner with detonator) yet just before i got kicked i dealt more damage than half the team, probably because of the scout distracting the bots for me to attack them from behind but eh.
@@YumeIsGone damn,This never happened to me, the other players was always so friendly, I hope you don't get banned again
A quote from Fawful’sMinion really sums up how I feel about this situation…
“Knowing when to let bygones be bygones is crucial in being happy; sometimes, you can’t do anything about it, and you gotta let the past die before it kills you. But, listen to me, I’ll say it again: SOMETIMES. But when everyone knows for an indisputable fact that you can do EVERYTHING about it, letting that past die IS what’s gonna kill you.
You disappoint me more than anybody else, Valve.”
Did he say this in a video?
@@dyllie1913 Yes, in his gaming disappointment countdown.
@@Dracoward Could you possibly link the video?
ive never agreed more with anything, the thought of letting bot creators succeed is genuinely sick
@@awesoem7893 Not op but here.
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The only chance to get valve to update TF2 is to directly tell them since they are trying really hard to ignore it
Can't. They made a policy where spamming negative reviews on games would get people banned, to protect corporations.
@@GoEatATowel "There's more than one way to skin a cat" as the old adage goes, there has to be more than one way to get the concerns across other than review bombing - social media Reddit or Twitter, old-school letters with pen & paper, perhaps even traditional news or big fat signs on WWE if we have to go harder - and it might not NEED to be solely negative (gotta put **something** sweet onto that medicine, or at least try to give some kind of credit to those at Valve who still care), fans like Zesty are coming from a place of love with such strong criticism, it simply can't be impossible to get the message across.
actually the only way is to buy guns and raid there head quarters
I'm always just blown away at how Valve can create these IPs that are strokes of genius and then just up and abandon them. They still somehow haven't found the balance of giving players the freedom to use their tools, but not to rely on the community completely for keeping their games alive.
No they used to make good games and now they just abandon everything because they have no management
@@sankdom4598 "Used to" bruh their last good game was only 2 years ago lets not act like they've never made a game since Half-Life 2. Also this whole "VaLvE aBoNdoNeD Tf2!!!1!" Argument is stupid af. As long as you can still download it and play it, the game hasn't been abandoned. Just because it's not getting massive 1.5 GB updates anymore doesn't mean the game is in ruins or Valve wants every TF2 player to kill themselves or whatever. You don't see people getting angry about Valve's singleplayer games not getting updated, do you? So why should it be different for their multiplayer games? Why should the addition of multiplayer change their update priorities in any way? They don't have to update the game forever, it's been 15 fucking years. A decade and a half and they're still keeping the servers up. Get over it.
@@creeperhunterD Name says it all.
@@escapethematrix4204 Money is literally not the issue here, Steam is a money printing machine and so long it exists Valve will never run out of funding.
I believe valve has likely slowly distanced themselves from tf2 likely because they want to move on to other projects like new shiny VR games and technology. Not as a higher executive decision but as an individual developer and programmer one, since the developers likely chose to work in newer exiting projects rather than work in a 15 year old game with ancient spaghetti code that's a hell to work with that urgently needs an entire makeover. Which is why there is like a single unpaid intern Trying his damn hardest to singlehandedly pump out patches and fix some issues.
@@creeperhunterD Considering how you don't see the difference between abandoning a singleplayer and multiplayer game I have no reason to believe you even played tf2
Welcome to Stockholm Fortress 2. After 9000 hours of playtime, hopefully it will have been worth the bots.
The sad thing is: if TF2 up and died, if everyone stopped spending money on it, Valve would just say "Well, guess that's that" and bin it. The game's older than most of its players at this point, they got their money back on it and more. So in all possibility, they're just riding it out until it's unsalvageable, at which point the servers all shut down and the localization patches stop coming. And you know we're never getting a TF3.
TF3 is probably coming. TF2 is just a stopgap at this point.
Well, although TF3 is likely never coming, a group of audacious individuals are recreating TF2 in the source two engine, which is going well in development, so it's looking like the best hope we have.
We would all be better off if they did stop supporting it. Anything besides this endless limbo.
If TF3 does come my guess is that it'll be made by a TF2 player tho they would have to name it something differently to avoid copyright claims
@@themanoffate nah valve allows fan made games lol.
Awesome beard man. I haven't played tf2 in months. I'm will come back but only when valve will eventually take action. This game has a lot of potential and its just..sad to see it this way. I grew up wiht the sfm and songs etc yet I stil love tf2.
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So… you’re not coming back?
kitty0607?
Yeah I haven't played in over a year. VALVE has abandoned us.
I abandoned it as well, it hurts when you get your first unusual hat, to only show it to a bot army and the few stray on community servers. Cause spending money on a game that doesn't work is worth it🙄
Chance is, if valve is so out of touch that they don't really recognize the bot problem of tf2 as something needing priority, they are guaranteed to not heed this video.
Unless literally all of tfTubers rally and make a big loud ruckus out of this. I don't know, that seems like how it works nowadays.
That's the issue. We've BEEN making a loud ass ruckus, yet Valve refuses to listen. Anything short of an IRL protest outside their corporate offices will be ignored by Valve at large.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 let's do it. With pitchforks and torches. I'm down
@@TF2_n_n No. Being violent is only going to reinforce whatever bias Valve has against us. We need to be peaceful, yet firm in how we deal with the situation at hand. We also, as a community, need to agree on what should be fixed.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 I see what your getting at. However I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say most people probably don't want to wait another year. Being firm clearly hasn't worked.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 An IRL protest has worked before, so if it were done peacefully, just signs and standing around pretty much, that may be enough. It doesn't even have to be that many people
Honestly Im surprised people like to just make excuses
"Oh you can kick bots easily-"
"Oh its just a few devs you gotta understand-"
"The playbase is still kicking its a never dying game-"
The shit that tf2 has gone through and the horrid state its left to rot in, that has shown no improvement of fixing itself in years at this point is honestly the most horrid thing ive seen in gaming
never have I seen a game full of game issues, bugs, cheaters, bot invasions, and a fanbase trying to tackle itself in bloody wars just to smile and ignore the issues at hand
I'm noticing a resemblance between the Stockholm Syndrome in TF2 and a certain other real life phenomenon affecting the general world where people love to compromise freedoms step by step lol.
@@seronymus its understandable on a level since tf2 is such a big thing to hold onto and hard to let go
but the only thing the game now a day does is do seasonal workshop hats (that ppl are at war over for how awful the standard is but creators demand to keep it this way to get paid) and to get expensive unusuals out of them
thats an even worse state than most online store games
Zesty so pissed he spent a year in the back alley lol
Just a reminder, Gabe himself said about a year ago that valve is aware of tf2's bot problem and here we are still dealing with the bot crisis since 2018.
Gabe could say anything and it wont mean crap, he isnt doing shit at valve.
@@paulussoler Yeah but he at least knows that tf2 is infested with bots. That means we know that valve has been aware of the bot problem and nothing has been done about it.
Did it really start in 2018..? I thought the invasion started in late 2019 (I started in 2020 mid february)
@@rubyeverred_ Yeah it must have started during late 2019. I started playing again during early 2019 and the server are still free from bots.
Valve's crossed a line several yards back.
Several of these in-game issues have existed for years on end now, and most of the changes they've made has made things worse. Silencing and limiting F2P's did nothing. They effectively made the game paid like they did at launch. In 2007.
Valve is a game developer, but isn't acting like it at all. It's just sad at this point. And what's worse is that it's pretty much solely reliant on the Steam community. There will come a point where TF2 will be held up by no one. At all. The game is pretty much not functional anymore. The bots are only getting worse, and knowing Valve, it won't stop any time soon.
What the devs should do is avoid the demise of this game as much as possible. TF2 not dead yet, and we shouldn't experience witness that any time soon. But if Valve continues as is, we'll see it within the next year or so. The community is strong, yes, but it doesn't have the power behind the game that Valve does. Valve has what it needs to fix the game, but they won't, unless by some miracle they actually think a little, and get their head out of their rectum.
I love TF2. We all love TF2. If it's going to stick around, Valve should tend to it so that it continues. If they're working on other games and such, that's great. It's a given that TF2 is an aged game, and even though it'll turn 15 this October, the community will still exist for it. But if nothing's fixed, the line will go flat before we know it.
If right now someone were to cause all the community servers to go offline, TF2 would die. That is the ONLY way Valve would take notice, is if all at once the community collectively said "Fuck ad revenue, fuck donations. We're pulling the plug on this game ourselves, and leaving your bot-filled mess as the only option. Either you fix your shit, or the game DIES."
@@SnivyTries that sounds like a threat that no other developer-team would be willing to ignore
except valve
2017, jungle inferno, was 5 years ago
You got a new item: Grizzled Growth
Might be an All-Father at this point...
more like scotch saver
Ironically, muting f2p don't stop toxicity, anyone that wants to will be more than happy to bully a f2p since no matter what you do they can't respond.
Also, the mute button exists and since toxicity is so rare, you rarely need to mute anyone, plus toxicity is largely made fun of in tf2, no bully wants to be made fun of, they stop.
the muting of f2ps was implemented to limit bot chat/voicechat spam
The worst part is, the F2p Mute DIDN'T WORK. The bots can still spam their noisemakers, they can still micspam whatever they want, and they can still steal names to get legitimate users banned from the server
its all toxicity. even the one who oppose it are toxic.
"we have become complacent" got me... We've lost.
In another point, hope your PhD studies are going well!
What is he studying?
@@bibisebi rocks
I miss when valve cared
Also your beard is amazing
Lol when was that, 2014?
I remember 2014 beeing pretty good. Been a steady downhill ride ever since.
@@Urinalobot 2018 was mine
@@Urinalobot 2015 was a good one
Zesty actually looks like jesus now!
sacrilegious
Jesus so pissed that he can’t play tf2 he made a second coming
A real Zesty Jesus he has become.
I agree with everything you said man, this game is in a bad state now and I quit casual cause it got boring and the bots headshotting me as spy isn't helping either. I'm having a lot of fun on community severs now mainly community game modes so probably just bored of regular game modes now.
TF2: the grandfather with stage 4 cancer
Community: the extended family that’s willing to help pay for treatment
Valve: the shitty aunt who holds medical power of attorney and would rather have grandpa die so she can get her cut of the inheritance from auctioning off all his stuff
ive… never seen a better analogy in my life
this, this right here :(
"I'm tired of pretending everything is still OK"
And thus we enter stage 2....
What's the last stage? War Torn?
You could hold Gaben at gunpoint and they still wouldn't fix things.
Ayyyy nice profile picture dude!
Really hit the "we've become complacent" point on the head. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been in a match that was flooded with bots and just been like "well fuck guess I'll just re-que". That or being in a match that has to kick a bot every 10 seconds, I don't even look at the vote menu anymore I've just been pavloved into pressing F1 automatically. This game still has so much potential I just wish Valve could see that.
Literally anything happens in TF2: Valve: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that."
Some controversy happens and gains traction: Valve: *cracks open an eye slightly* "I'm gonna pretend I only saw a little bit of that, have a small band-aid fix."
Valve started out as a small company that created the best story-driven FPS in existance. They then became the guys who published the best puzzle game in existance. Now, they're too busy guarding their Valve from the Payday gang, making money off of Steam and (probably) creating Ready Player One a reality
This is a preemptive reply, I'll probably edit it once I finish the video.
I've played this game for over 10 years. It's disgusting that valve continues to profit and sell content for a game they have zero intentions of meaningfully updating or even making playable at all.
We shouldn't deal with this, and anyone who participates in the game's economy is a part of the problem. Valve does nothing because they don't HAVE to do anything.
EDIT: Pretty much echoed my sentiment exactly. Valve is probably the only company I know that'd strike gold and walk away from it because it isn't platinum.
it really is ironic how valve tried to destroy community servers with their matchmaking... just to end up making community servers the only place where you can acutally play tf2 anymore
This video is the representation of another stage in Zesty's transformation into the messiah
I still can’t understand why valve would abandon something that is so popular, TF2 remains to this day, THE free to play game, and the fact that valve refuses the give it even the bare minimum of upkeep is both infuriating and baffling.
The bots suck like hell, but i find it impressive that this community endured through hell itself for so long.
Thank you for this, you encapsulate a lot of good points. It baffles me though so much why Valve refuses to at least extend SOME tf2 development to a third party and/or community contributions, when the former especially they ALREADY did that for that abandoned Mannpower soccer mode! Bad Robot studio or whatever it was called designed it. Why are they just leaving everything to rot? It's so maddening
It was Passtime, a pretty fun gamemode too.
Because of their "flat" management style.
Everyone works on what they want. But if they are not productive they are cut.
TF2 doesn't bring in enough money. If a dev spends time fixing it, they are not productive enough and get fired. Whereas adding more ways to spend money on steam gets them massive bonuses.
Hey, seronymous! Good to see you here! Didn't take you for a TF2 player.
An unexpected surprise, but a welcome one!
@@HolyKhaaaaan wait you seem vaguely familiar where have we seen each other before :o
@@seronymus probably on Bible Illustrated's comments, judging by the avatars we are wearing.
People can say that you are talking into a void or to a brick wall. Which is a dumb mindset to have, in my opinion.
Despite the radio silence, I think there is a small chance that valve is listening, it’s just when they want to.
Valve have been listening it's just that they don't give a shit about the game they have steam with basically their main income source they can literally abound all the games they ever made and still be fine as long as they have steam
@@Asura_ZH I mean yeah, when the media picked up on the bot problem like a year ago, then Valve decided to "fix it". By muting them so the media fucked off, they saved their sorry asses lol.
it does say a lot about australian culture
You forgot to mention that bots can and will DDOS servers if you try to kick them now
That was only there for a day
@@GameyRaccoon If it was there before it can be there again.
@@TacoTownUSA Holy crap that is a bad take, they fixed the issue of DDOSing servers, so it isn't a problem, you're just spreading misinformation
@@sanstheskeleonepunchman5274 It was less than a week ago and there literally hasn't been a TF2 update since. Claiming that they fixed it when there literally hasn't been an update is impossible. If you're going to claim that it's fixed, maybe claim that when THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN AN UPDATE THAT COULD FIX IT.
I can actually confirm with TacoTown. Altough it only happened for a day it DID happen. So its not really false information.
I tend to disagree with alot of his opponions on balance, but this guy is 100% right with this video. I hope people share this video around cause I have a small feeling that this video could get something started if it blew up. Well said Zesty.
It's been nearly 5 years since the last major update and bots have already ravaged the game beyond repair. It's too late for "starting anything" at this point.
@@BadassHater1 You're right we should all give up and stop playing.
well imo even if the video blows up and a bunch of other tf tubers start talking about it I don’t think valve will do anything lol
@@suckerbranch9943 That's a good point. What's the point of trying anymore
@@Pight yea, sad truth unfortunately
Ive started playing around Halloween in 2020 and I genuinely cannot imagine the state of TF2 without bots fucking inundating the server. I haven’t enjoyed TF2 as of recent months since I’ve grown tired of having days where I simply can’t play since every server is filled with bots. Thank you Zesty for your honesty and commitment to this game. I hope I and others can enjoy the game as it was designed to be.
I feel you
2015 player here- you are missing out and I wish you didn't have to
I hope you can find joy on community servers, those are bot free
Started playing in August 2018. TF2 was the entire reason why I got steam. Coming frighteningly soon this year will be the point where half of the portion of my life dominated by TF2 will be bad memories of completely unplayable servers.
its weird that valve hasnt updated tf2’s anticheat system in so long. has csgo had this problem ever since going f2p?
CS GO anticheat is worthless, it will only ban the hackers that have those easy to detect cheats aka free, but just about all of the cheaters get banned through overwatch which is the report feature not the anticheat. They usually claim they update it but they only update once in a blue moon compared to hackers who can just update their cheats to be immune in a few weeks or even faster
Yeah it had a hacker problem and they practically made it so you have to pay again to get prime status and be able to play comp (something that people care about in csgo) or most valve servers, practically making it so hackers are mostly matched aganist other hackers or toxic players
@@awakenedfurmissile4617 well, id imagine an anticheat that specializes in the super obvious cheating like that would be perfect for a situation like what tf2 is in right now
@@casualcrusader1547 Except like I mentioned hackers can easily overwrite the script no matter how obvious in fact it has nothing to do with how obvious the cheating is it's whether the anticheat can detect it which the vast majority of hackers in CS GO will never get detected and are forced to be banned through Overwatch. Modern day Overwatch videos are "let's see how many spinbotters we ban today" when it instead should be designed to judge whether somebody is legit or not, hell nobody even hides anymore you're not punished for it you can just make a new account now. TF2 has the exact same thing it has an anticheat for what it's worth but the bots have already been updated to never be detected by it forcing players to kick them
you haven’t even seen the worst of it brother
He went from Dale from King of the Hill to The Dude from The Big Lebowski between one video
"We cannot use this product unless we go out of our way to great lengths to make it playable"
The TF2 bot practice mode has truly been forgotten.
I agree. Their few actions are the equivalent of putting a band-aid on a man whose arms have been chopped off with a chainsaw
Really, they need to step it up *NOW* that the SteamDeck is now out. There 100% should be a push to get their own games to be as flawless as possible on their own product. If people haven't played TF2, CS:GO, Dota, etc. before now because they didn't have a PC to run it, and now they buy this handheld PC. They need, to address the issues in TF2, and in all their games otherwise it'll show just how little they care about their games, and if they care that little about those products, what does that say for the new PC they're holding in their hands.
The thing they just spent 300, 400, 500+ bucks on, how long is that going to be kept up to date and supported before Vavle does what Valve does best and move on to something else amazing and interesting yes, but just leaving everything else they have done up to that point in the dust.
lets be blunt. once valve gets tired of the steam deck, and they WILL, they’ll abandon it like everything else
@@darthgamer9861 I don't think they'll just up and drop it. They're onto something, and they'll make a better one with updated hardware and software for sure.
Totally agree--valve servers are unplayable. Need more CZcamsrs like you stating it as simply: Fix the bots Valve!
They won't, of course. Bringing the fact that Bots have actually fucked over the Casual scene to their fanbase? NOPE.
several youtubers in the tf2 community have been calling out to valve ever since this started *2 years ago.*
all we've really gotten is small fixes and f2p mutes
*this isn't working.*
How did I not know that Zesty had an entire shelf of Bionicles next to them? I feel like I've been denied serious, need-to-know information. 10/10, best channel.
"Exhausted at this point" is accurate for me. I've been pessimistic about it since the beginning, and a big vocal about it here and there, and I just got tired of complaining about it every other day. I really miss TF2.
Zesty: Get it together, Valve.
Valve: nope
Valve is getting to a point where Nintendo lays, where they are so out of touch with so many of their fanbases that it kills them.
also nice beard dude
"Useless band-aids," yeah right, more like slaps in the face. At this point they're spitting in the face of the community they fostered for a fucking decade.
You brought up an interesting point about how creators don't seem to talk about it anymore and yeah, I think it's been just so long, so so damn long of us constantly complaining and seeing absolutely no results that continuing to care is just wasted energy, it's unfortunate but the truth is that Valve very very likely won't ever fix the bot crisis, they just don't care and they don't have to, it's frustrating, TF2 is one of my favorite games of all time and being FORCED to let go due to the sheer number of bots destroying the experience instead of just naturally losing interest over time hurts.
I “joined” the community back in 2020 because I finally got a pc that could run the game and even the community in its neutered state provided a place for me to have SO MUCH FUN. I wish I was around in the peak days in 2013-2017 because I can only imagine how hype all the new weapons and crates were.
Fuck, id gladly take another community update even with how shit of a reputation they got
its so depressing to see tf2 in this state, i love this game and i don't want to see it leave
valve proceeding to ignore this video
Love the Bogdanoff medic face statue.
I heard from sources that Valve can work on whatever game they want, but regular employees will get bad reviews from senior employees (or at worst, get fired) should they choose to work on TF2. This is something I, nor the sources in question, can 100% confirm nor deny.
You must be a passionate gamer.
@@yazidefirenze I mean you’re talking to someone who freakin gambles away silt on modded terraria.
Valve already knows all of this.
I find TF2 interesting still, but unfortunately I already gave up playing, simply because I don't have fun in 95% of the servers I come across, and deep down I don't expect Valve to do anything about it, by now.
I'm glad you notice how most of us see the game, but Valve wouldn't go out of their way to fix the bot problem even if you descend into insanity over the state of the game.
I enjoy watching people nerd about interests I have, but I wouldn't feel ok knowing one of my favourite content creators will spend the next few years malding over a neglected, dying game. So before you do that, I genuinely recommend you begin looking for new games, or new stuff within your intetests - also to diversify your content here on YT, but most importantly because the channel is about you after all.
Do show things you like and deem fit for here.
TF2's future is getting narrower and gloomier by the week, but yours doesn't have to.
Just play community servers and mvm
Welcome to a world where SKIAL is one of the only options, where 24/7 Teufort and Hightower are the playgrounds we're confined to
@@SnivyTries Uncletopia is still going strong last I checked.
@@beautifulnova6088 Not only strong but it got updated several months ago so that now it has a better (arguably) interface, more servers, and more maps.
I'll give credit where credit is due and say Uncletopia is pretty darn good for what it is. But I still loathe the competitivization of the servers, forcing no random crits or random bullet spread. The few things that made TF2 just a little chaotic and fun in pubs just aren't really there in Uncletopia. If I wanna use sprays or meme with Demopan or Objectors combo'd with random crits, I just can't unless I go beyond casual into DM servers.
There's a good balance of chaos and law in vanilla TF2. With Uncletopia, a lot of that fun is just... not there. I mean, sure, there's plenty of different things you can do competitively, but I don't play TF2 as a game to be a tryhard, I play it to have fun.
The bots at one point started disconnecting the entire list of players on Casual, Specifically when they were kicked. Causing a connection problem that timed everyone out, and due to how casual tries to reconnect you to that same game, some of us return back. Without any contract progress, xp, or score marks from before the disconnect. I had made alot of contract progress that one day I was disconnected. You can't even complete a contract securely anymore.
Watch as Zesty Jesus smashes his forehead into a brick wall for seven minutes straight
We are just going to provoke them into shutting down the servers at this point LMAO.
Or maybe give to someone who actually cares about the game enough and not ruin it
Both tf2s are such a sad story
titanfall 2 is already gone...is team fortress next?
@@theenglishwaffle4379 probably not. But something needs to be done.
@@theenglishwaffle4379 Isn't titanfall 2 playable again thanks to the modding community in PC?
Valve wants tf2 to die; the community won't let it.
in my head I imagine this video being sped up to like 1000% and just having the capion 'average anime fan'
This is the sexiest zesty has ever been in an irl video.
He needs a gf
I haven’t played tf2 for more than 10 hours and I no longer have a pc. But I am kinda surprised by what valve is doing to that game. Honestly I can’t say I care too much. I haven’t played enough nor can I play it. But I still am sad. I love the storylines and the characters. Soldier being my favorite. And I don’t want to see that go away. And hopefully they put more time into fixing it. As that means they might bring it to console( honestly probably not gonna happen but I can still hope ).
Don't you mean 10 years? And why don't you have a pc anymore? :(
@@seronymus His pc probably broke
@@RayanfhoulaBR same here until I was forced to get a pre-built for $1400 for Christmas
@@seronymus How were you forced to get a pc?
This is unrelated, but, I don't think TF2 would be playable on console considering how many tricky tactics actually require you to move your camera at speeds only achievable with a mouse, like Rocket Jumping, Sniper, trickstabs or hell, just playing Scout in general, even spychecking could be problematic.
Zesty looking like a truck driver called Buck
Everything you said in this passion filled rant is exactly what I’ve held in mind and have wanted to say in a passion filled rant! I’ve sunk far too much money into this game for it to die now, I have weapons I love to look and and destroy people with! But the radio silence and every worsening bot situation is a huge deterrent and makes me play other games. *I don’t want to give up on TF2 but Valve isn’t giving me a choice* If
this shit doesn’t get rectified I know for certain I, you, and thousands others will let out a long, sad sigh as we take one last look at the main menu and click ‘quit’ for the final time…
Nice bonkle collection.
I'll put it this way.
I used to play TF2 for maybe.... 30 hours a week. I work 40 hours a week, so that's a pretty huge chunk of my spare time as a whole. I loved TF2, it was my favorite relaxing game, and a great game to have fun, actively try to improve, and just in general enjoy. The community was mostly friendly; and overall, it was a fine community.
This was back in 2018... The Bots arrived in late 2019. After a year of this, I got sick of this... 2021, I finally got mad, and left. A year passed. I uninstalled TF2 somewhere in that time... 2022 finally rolled around, and I thought to myself 'hey, maybe they finally fixed it.' I reinstalled it, jumped online... and in 3 games, I realized it has not changed at all. "Well, just play on community servers" If this has to be the answer to bypass a clear problem in the game, the game is not worth my time, especially when community servers have their own share of major problems.
4 years. Sorry, what the f*ck is this? Why is Counter Strike: Global Offensive and Dota 2 both being run so flawlessly, while TF2 is in the garbage can? Honestly, what's it gonna take for Valve to get this settled properly? A class action lawsuit? Valve has become so obsessed with VR, they've lost sight of what's putting money into their bank accounts.
We might literally need a class action lawsuit at this point lol. I'm so sorry I can relate to you man
@@seronymus Valve might think VR is the future, and hell, maybe it will be down the road... but at this point, no. We want the games we enjoy fixed; focus the headset in on your spare time, you're a business, you have things to run.
Shit, imagine if any other company did things Valve's way. Imagine if a car company straight up stopped making cars while they were designing a new one; seems like a profitable, intelligent business decision; amirite?
@@Kohchu this is what frustrates me the most. most gamers are more than willing to roast Nintendo or other publishers for similar mistakes that Valve makes, but what has Valve done in the last TEN YEARS to warrant so much defense? If nintendo let Super Smash Ultimate rot with a hacking problem Arlo and every other channel would be pumping out videos calling them out and yet Valve can fight to avoid giving out refunds for years and still be seen as the good guys?!
Getting ghosted by daddy valve 😳👏
I sure do love "valves standards" I think letting a bot rampage ruin the game for years is a standard all game company's should follow.
Zesty speaking the truth to deaf ears and getting hate for it, the tf2 community only cares about what four-five of the BIG MASSIVE content creators have to say and anything get's massive amounts of hate. (also this aint to make fun of Zesty but with that beard he kinda looks like John Krasinski from the office, he played Jim, also that handsome medic is amazing, did ya make that yourself?)
At this point, It's hard to know what it will take to get Valve to do something about this.
Little does he know he'll be just another video valve skims across, not evening watching it.
On a slightly happier note, that Bionicle collection on the shelf is fuckin’ sick
What happens with TF2 is absolutely bizarre. It's a game with a lot of active players, that is still in the top 10 of most played games on Steam, being totally neglected and abandoned by its creators. Why? there are tons of developers that could only wish to get 50k returning players with the game they sweat over every single day, and here's Valve just chilling in the corner and pretending TF2 doesn't exist. Valve's behaviour concerning their games is not just unacceptable, it's idiotic. There's simply no other way to describe it. It's insane in a bad way. Everybody knows the behaviour is idiotic, everybody is calling Valve to action to "do something", but it doesn't have any effect. And you know why? Because Valve has Steam. They have literally not a single reason to do anything at all because Steam is going to keep them alive anyway. At this point I'm hoping that they get acquired by Microsoft or something, just so someone can put them to work. Don't get me wrong: I love the work that they do stick with. But I hate the piles of burning garbage that they leave behind because nobody wants to do it, because at the end of the day that's the problem. Nobody wants to work on TF2 other than fixing a few minor bugs.
So true zesty besty
No I will not apologize
And you SHOULDN'T
Bro your Bionicle collection is so great. Absolute Chad
wanna feel old?
jungle inferno, the last major update, came out in july-august of 2017.
THE YEAR SPLATOON 2 CAME OUT
Alright everyone, get your contentious objectors out. Time to protest outside of valves office.
Not being able to casually enjoy team fortress 2 to wind down has had an actual negative effect on my mental health. I just wish Valve cared.
find a new game, that's what most of us have done
@@Sillimant_ yeah but I love team fortress 2 and no game will ever match it. Gotta love modern gaming.
U said ALL of the things in my mind. Goddamnit, Valve.
I really enjoy the camera framing and where Bog has ended up :)
I've said for years that they should send TF2 off to a different dev studio like what they did with CS:GO, or kill it off for good.
I can't believe that a company who made great games from my childhood (e.g counter strike 1.6, L4D) is doing this greediness and despite their community being forgiving they are taking advantage of it just to be greedy.
Everyone snaps at one point. Guess Zesty finally did. I snapped a few months ago.
that's the biggest bionicle collection that i've ever seen
I find it both hilarious and incredibly saddening to watch you guys still scream at a brick wall. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
Absolutely splendid.
Yeah dude, imagine getting pissed at something and wanting somewhere to vent. What idiots, having any emotion and not being indifferent to everything bad that happens...
What else can we do? Th only 2 strategies for a true tf2 fan are: Ignore, Complain, Abandon. There's simply not much else that we can do short of what, storming Valve HQ?
@@seronymus Abandoning this utter dumpster fire is honestly what I suggest you and everyone else does. This game should've died out a while ago. I have no idea why you guys still are able to tolerate this shit.
@@ARatherDapperFoxoBoi Blind nostalgia. Some people really dont want to leave this game. For once. The other half is probably the people who spent way too much time and money and just refuse to let it go to waste.
@@Murmarine Yknow, you actually have a fair point there, and I can understand that.
Still sad, though.
I hate that my favorite game is in the hands of a few hundred people who don’t care. When many hundred thousands do.
The beard, the hat, the plants in the background.
He has become *Zest Kazcynski*
Zesty living up to the jesus in his name. You got this texas jesus.
I'm just holding out hope for tf2 classic finally coming back at this point
i'm so glad someone finally told valve that cheating is bad thank you zesty nobody else was brave enough to say this directly to valve. i don't think they knew about this but now they know
Is that.... Is that a Bionicle shelf? My god this man. So beautiful.
When that one family friendly youtuber literally snaps:
I hope someone at Valve sees this and makes some kind of statement. Anything at all. Is anyone working on fixing the bots? Are they just letting the bots go wild in hopes that they won’t have to bother fishing some random hats and maps from the community workshop a whole three times a year? I just want to hear something about it, I just want a definite answer. It’s no longer “I hope we get a content update”, it’s now “I hope we are told that we will not be getting a content update”
I fucking love TF2, but when I tried to play some Casual with a friend on a weekend we spent 30 minutes jumping servers to try a server not majority of bots, and ended up playing MvM.
MY LORD YOU ARE ROCKING THAT BEARD BRO
Nice Bionicles dude. Also, that medic statue is glorious.
I've been done playing this shitshow for a few years now, I just keep watching the channel not because of the content, but because of Zesty himself lmao.
Tf2 is my favorite multiplayer game of all time, it's been there for me since it's inception and it means so much to me. The amount of time and money that I have poured into this game is a lot to say the least, and I haven't played since like December because the state of casual is just almost unplayable. Amount of times you have to reroll to get a lobby without bots in it is unacceptable, I won't even lie I've been considering selling off my unusual collection because even though I love the game and I never want to part with some of these items that are very very meaningful to me I just cannot keep supporting or hold money in the game that doesn't treat its player base with even the basic respect of making that game playable
sane
PREACH IT ZESTY!!!! VENT OUT THAT ANGER WE HAVE ALL BEEN FEELING.
Zesty rocking the late-70's midwest factory worker look.
Nice.