Dealing with pedestrians (and a cyclist) after the updates
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- čas přidán 8. 02. 2022
- Let's have a look at some practical examples of how to deal with pedestrian priority at junctions after the latest Highway Code updates 2022.
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In reply to the comments regarding the final clip with the cyclist. The cyclist showed poor road communication skills which determined my actions. After giving him priority he took it, so the only safe thing was to hold back until I was certain. A few comments I've read are suggesting that I should have made an assumption and continued which is never the correct option especially at the moment where people don't know what's happening well enough. Stop the impatience and pick a safer option! 👍
Well said
Yep. It's the only way.
Now I know why 2 cars on 2 different didn't drive on a green light in Andover the 1st car was just sitting there on a green when walking home from college and the 2nd car was just slowly driving on a green waiting for me to pass when walking to college
literally, the 1st car was a mini and I thought she was on her phone or they were just trying to be very nice to me and my mate for us to have are early death at 18 and I was like not today When 2 cars passed her I had to point at the green light to show it green and then they starting to drive.
But the funny thing is that her daughter just stared at me when they went passed 🤣
I get this dilemma in cyclist on cyclist 'conflict'. In your example I may come to that light planning to turn left but position a little central so as to discourage a close overtake from a driver immediately after the lights change on the junction and to give space for another cyclist who also wants to turn left. Say one joins but isn't communicating with me (rare but may be headphones/non-English speaking) as to where they plan to go I'll solve the problem by trying assertiveness.
The new rules only mention giving priority to cyclists stationary alongside or in motion. As he was stopped behind you, then there was no need to give him priority and this hesitancy could cause confusion. Although I agree when in doubt, the best action is to err on the side of caution, I felt this was a bit over cautious.
As a pedestrian I would still prefer to wait either for the car to stop or to clear the junction. Its not worth an injury to assert a new rule of who has priority imo.
Nothing in the new rules to stop you. It's clarifying what has always been the case that if you do decide to continue walking then the traffic has to give way to you. The new rules just emphasise that drivers must be prepared for that and that too has always been the case.
Ofcourse, abso-fucking-lutely! Just like when you're driving a car and get a green light you should always watch out for red light jumpers. Enforcement and road design has to help in reducing both though.
Yep perfect way to get bonnetted assuming the car has stopped for you. Always pass behind the car waiting to emerge imo
agree, walking in front of cars is awkward lol would much rather wait
Car drivers have been acting like knobheads long enough. This was always bound to happen
As a pedestrian (I don't drive, yet), whenever I come to a T junction, I usually pass behind the lead car waiting to pull out. That way, I'm not impeding them when the road they are going on to becomes clear. Some might say this is unnecessary, but I see it as a courtesy and one that I will continue doing, regardless of the new rules.
Unfortunatly the examiner in the clip failed that thinking. I would have done the same as the pedestrian, I'm safely crossing and the driver gets to continue.
@TheKnightsShield - I used to do this too, but think about what happens when you walk behind that car and another vehicle comes from the otherway and fails to spot you emerging from bheind the lead vehicle.
It's better for everyone that you walk in front of the lead car so you are easilly visible for other road users, not just the one you're walking in front of.
@@dalmo001 Hasn't happened to me yet in 20+ years (I'm in my late 30s) and with today's drivers, it could still happen, but I've managed to make it this far without any issues. Any time another car comes from the other direction, they've stopped to let me pass and there was never any problems.
Part of the reason why I go behind the lead vehicle, is because some people are too impatient to wait or might be distracted and start moving forward while I'm still passing in front of them, both of which could lead to a nasty outcome. As I said before, I do it as a curtesy to the drivers and it also makes the whole process a lot easier for everyone involved.
Have you considered that will make you harder to see for vehicles going in the opposite direction because there's now a car between you & them?
Also, you'll have lost the presumption of right of way if something happened that led to a dispute over liability.
@@clairelane3024 Close call, coming to a complete stop would have tipped it in the driver's favour I reckon. The pedestrian probably clocked the L sign & thought they were doing a favour.
IMO the main problem with the new legislation is that some pedestrians, like myself, would much rather cross when both lanes are clear, which is always the safest option; however suppose I’m crossing near a roundabout junction, the car on my right slows down allowing me to cross, I would now be expected to cross the road but wait! …what about cars coming off the junction?! Im now in the centre of the road hoping that any drivers coming off the roundabout (with minimal opportunity to see me) also slow down and wait for me to cross. Hardly the safest place to be … and what about the car behind the driver coming off the roundabout, expecting the driver in front to carry on?! It’s a perfect opportunity to be rear ended. Stupid rule!
This. Well put.
You've perfectly described what I was thinking myself.
Even if both lanes are clear, I always prefer walking *behind* a car rather than in front. Now cars stop to let me cross and it's actually more awkward for both of us because I still insist on walking behind the car. Because of this what I usually do now when I see a car approaching a junction is look away and pretend I'm not going to cross, then as soon as the car goes past I cross.
I agree with this. Even before this legislation, no one driver can think for other drivers and has to assume that other people don't know what they're doing. Of course people do know what they're doing but there's always going to be one on the road who thinks they can do what they like and not what should be done. Like in the situation when I got knocked off my bike because the driver on my left was on their phone and realised they were in the wrong lane. I got forced into the other lane and into a car in front. They didn't stop either. People are always going to do what they like on the roads. Pedestrians and drivers should always pay attention but there's always one. I've seen incidents when drivers signal to a pedestrian to cross without thinking of danger. Then something bad happens when said pedestrian crosses. Drivers have also signalled me as a pedestrian to cross and I never do until I know it's clear. If it's not I wait and have often got confused looks from the drivers that signalled me. Giving priority to pedestrians has always been a thing in cases where the pedestrian approaches a kerb and doesn't seem to be paying attention and just crosses without looking. Things like that would come up in the old driver theory test videos where you have to flag potential hazards. In that kind of situation common sense dictates that you slow down and stop if you have to. Now it's those virtually augmented video's with placed situations and really crap animations. Might be situations that come up in real life but really you can see them coming a mile off as the faked situations really stand out. Don't have to pay attention in those new video's, just look for the sore thumb sticking out or so to speak. They aren't nearly as hard or realistic as the old videos. The driver is the one in control of the vehicle and should pay attention because they have a huge advantage but stopping for every single pedestrian just waiting could definitely cause a lot of trouble. Say a driver is turning down into a T-juction and has to stop for a pedestrian that get's to the kerb during the turn, perfect opportunity to get T-boned or rear ended and It'd be the driver in front at fault. This is because there's always going to be those who will do what they want on the roads and not pay attention.
the remedy is to wait well back from the kerb until you see an opening you like. and if a car does stop and you don't want to cross, yet, simply wave them on.
I have been driving for 40+ years and was told back then by my driving instructor that “Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way”, even when they are wrong. It’s served me right all these years.
Not always true. Keep in mind the following story is in America, could be different elsewhere. I have 2 very unlucky friends. One was hit by a car when crossing the road illegally, and one has hit a person that was crossing the road illegally. In both cases, the drivers in each instance were found not at fault. Just because pedestrians have the right of way in legal crossings, does not mean they are free to cross wherever/ whenever they please. In both cases, the pedestrians tried to sue for their medical bills, and both lost the case.
Ahh that's why so many Brits don't even look both ways before crossing a road
@@puffdaddy4537 When driving, you should be thinking that pedestrians always have the right of way. As a pedestrian (or cyclist) you should be thinking that every driver is an idiot who isn't paying attention until it is demonstrated otherwise.
Signaling your intent really is quite important. As a pedestrian, making eye contact with a driver you think might be giving way is really helpful.
@@puffdaddy4537 America has jaywalking laws etc. I wouldn't trust them when it comes to working out what to do with pedestrians
@@puffdaddy4537 Thats surprising because I used to live in San Diego in a a little beach town called "Ocean beach" people just walk across the road regardless of whats coming and they take their time to cross, it's not seen as rude, it's completely normal, the next beach along (pacific beach) the road is a dual carriage way with lots of lights, on this road for the most part everyone just uses the lights unless theres a gap. Passing my driving test there was hilarious, I pulled out in front of someone causing them to slow right out of the test centre, I then went right on a red (which you should do when it's clear) and I missed that a truck was doing a uturn at the same time, we both stopped in the middle of the road, eventually he moved on. I kept going over the the stop lines to get a good look at whats coming, the instructor said to me "you know about the stoping behind the line law right?' I said "yes" (I actually didn't really, its so normal to go past the line to see and everyone does it) she said "well, you better start doing it, you're on your test" haha anyway I passed
The failure of of the pupil proves there is a problem with this new system. where a driving instructor FAILS the person doing the driving test, while Ashley Neal as a driving instructor thinks it was harsh. If they can't agree if the driver was right or wrong, then how are ordinary motorists!
To be fair, there's a lot of ambiguity & subjectivity already. I failed a test I should've passed (my first) and passed a test I should've failed (my second). Everyone knows someone who's got one of these stories :-)
... so, yeah. Just another thing to add to the list.
Yeah costs people alot of money aswell. I had my examiner slam the breaks when turning right even though the traffic had stopped to let me pass.
@@MSimp2k6 I failed my first motorcycle test due to the fact that a 4 (approx) year old was stood by a set of lights which had just turned green in my favour with no oncoming traffic, waiting to cross.
I let the child cross and was told I should have proceeded regardless.
My reply was basically that whilst the child shouldn’t have been out alone, what would have happened if I’d gone, she’d ran out and I’d hit her as being so young she probably had no idea of road sense.
I also stated that if it happened again my actions would be the same.
I’d already been a car driver for over 30 years at that point.
@@Rodders1 yup, totally agree! That's life I guess -- sometimes you just don't get the luck on the day. I also failed my first test for doing something that I would do again and again (undue hesitation in a situation with poor visibility)
Correct assumption. The ambiguity level has now been turned up to 10. We will see an increase in casualties and more insurance claims I have no doubt. Get a dash cam front and rear to avoid collision for cash claims from dodgy pedestrians and cyclists.
Regardless of the changes, when I am in pedestrian mode and depending on the junction I will always try to cross behind a car if it means I can make a better assessment of the of the situation, even if the driver giving way is doing the right thing and driving well, there are so many idiots on our roads I prefer to make my own judgements, so yes I would agree that was a harsh call for that student.
Was always taught to cross a junction behind cars leaving room incase they roll back, their observations are usually fixated elsewhere and you could be obscured by the pillars! Unless they make eye contact and allow me to cross I'll still be walking behind
SMART MOVE THESE NEW TYRANICAL RULES ARE LIKELY TO INCREASE PEDESTRIANS GETTING RAN OVER I AINT GIVING WAY TO JACK SH@T !!!
It's moronic and people will be injured and killed. There isn't a snowflake in hell's chance of me teaching my children to walk out in front of any vehicle at a junction unless at a controlled crossing.
There's far more idiots on the pavement than there are on the roads! These new rules are ridiculous!
@@vizuk CORRECT , THE GOVERNMENT HAS LOST TOUCH WITH REALITY AND JUST MAKING UP NAZI LAWS FOR FUN , EVEN A MONKEY IN CHARGE WOULD KNOW THAT THIS NEW CHANGE IS A BAD IDEA , AND IS NOT LOGICAL TO GIVE PEDESTRIANS FALSE CONFIDENCE WHEN ENTERING A ROAD WITH 2 TONS OF RAW STEEL N AND IRON MACHINES GOING 40MPH , ONLY STUPID PEOPLE GET RUN OVER , IN THE 90S CARS USED HIT 70MPH IN SIDES STREETS WERE I PLAYED , BUT I WAS OK WITH THAT AS MY MUM TAUGHT ME COMMON SENSE , IT WAS SIMPLE ONLY ENTER THE ROAD WHEN EMPTY !!!!
As a pedestrian I intentionally look disinterested in crossing to prevent cars from giving way to me, and I do so for one simple reason; it holds everyone up, even me. It is quicker to let a car pass than it is to wait for it to stop.
When a driver gives way I feel pressure to cross, even if there are other hazards. It's not worth bothering with, and these changes will make pedestrians even more clueless in my view. It's the wrong balance.
I agree I always look and I avoid using zebra crossing for the same reason
Well said Philly, couldn't agree with you more 👍.
i was taught never to wave peds into the road, you can't cpntrol the other lanes, i don't mind if a driver tries to let me cross a single lane, but i'm getting glared at and waved at all over the place, and i won't leave the pavement so drivers get pissed
I don't think it helps that the slight tint of the windscreen coupled with the increased brightness outside the car actually makes it very hard to determine what a driver is signalling
absolutely, even if one car gives way, you cant guarantee that the cars going the other way will
It's a stupid rule: stop, look, listen, and wait for a gap worked so well. It's encouraging people to walk out in front of cars, even stopping coming off a roundabout; how is blocking the entire roundabout for a single pedestrian sensible.
Yup, utter moronic rule that is actually more dangerous for everyone
It makes far more sense to potentially cause a pile up on a roundabout than to suggest a pedestrian walks down the road a little further to a safer crossing point...
Oh, wait. No its the opposite of what I just said.
@@alexg1778 It seems everyone who actually uses the road as a motorist and pedestrian (and thats most people) can see this, but our legislators can't. We are governed by complete idiots! It achieves the very opposite of what it claims to do (make things safer for pedestrians). DOH! 😣
@@helensente990 Thats a plausible theory except for the fact that driving in this country has been an expensive, stressful chore for many years already. VERY few people who drive, especially in towns and cities, do so for any other reason than pure necessity. All this rule change does is add further stress, confusion, dysfunctio and unnecessary risk to the system.
If you don't ensure the vehicles are following the rules before you step out, you're an idiot. It's that simple. The rule is well conceived and when drivers learn they will be ticketed for violating, pedestrians will be safer. Drivers do not slow down to look for pedestrains crossing, they treat it as if they have no onus.
Had to drive through central London yesterday. Lorries loading on every street with hazards on, buses pulling out without a single glance, mopeds filtering inside and outside, cyclists and just eat bikers on all sides, those ridiculous electric scooters and now even more random pedestrians just running out into the middle of road from between cars........It's a miracle anyone survives to be honest
👏👏😂😂👌. Yup that’s London!
There's a solution to that: avoid driving in London 😅
Oh god yes! Pedestrians in London have always had a death wish and just step into a road wherever they are. And being cut up by mopeds who decide to weave in and out at a whim? Don’t get me started!!! 😡
@@jethrogauld7437 Believe me mate, I try and avoid it!
Was there today. It is crazy.
As a pedestrian I do what is best for MY safety, irrespective of any rules.
I would not step off the pavement in front of a moving car, EVER. A very foolish manoeuvre which compromises one's safety.
These new rules are absolutely crazy. They will cause confusion, hesitency and increase, not reduce, pedestrian injuries imo.
That's because you have a Brain.
The rules are good, they are telling drivers that _they_ are responsible for safety on the road, because _they_ are dangerous to everything around them.
I am always happy to see a driver remember the most important lesson:
_Always_ look out for unprotected road users and let them through safely.
Unfortunately 99.9% of drivers are only concerned about their own safety .. they couldnt care a flying fig about yours, hence the need for legislation. If motorists wont protect pedestrians out of choice .. then they will be legislated to do it!!! And now they've been legislated they are moaning and looking for "get out" clauses!!!!
@@helenleary1327 You're spot on, and as usual - as always - it's a shame there are so many drivers here having a moan about it for themselves. Now, if I had my way, they'd be legally obliged to stop at any pedestrian crossing if there happened to be a pedestrian there waiting to cross, but the old saying comes to mind, 'they don't like it up 'em!'
@@danielkarmy4893 The problem isn’t the idea behind the legislation. It’s just how it’s written is confusing af and makes pedestrians think they can do stupid shit. So more pedestrians put themselves in dangerous situations even when there isn’t a crossing. This means drivers have to drive more dangerously to avoid these accidents and then it’s a mess. So because of how the legislation is poorly written, that’s what makes it more dangerous. Because pedestrians will think they are gods of the road and cause massive amounts of accidents
Years and years of being told and now teaching my own kids that if there's cars, you wait till its clear or traffic as stopped and you can get across safely.
But this, this is ridiculous.
I'm just waiting for slow speed rear enders happing all over the place.
It really is something that never needed to be brought in
Its been done for control reasons, i.e youll do what we tell you to do and if you dont, youll be punished. Motorists are an easy target for this treatment. Driving = Freedom which they dont like us having and its also very easy to vilify motorists. The safety of it is irrelevant to them, thats our problem. Its an incredibly stupid change and quite scary how few people can see why it was done.
Its like all politics its always backwards and fucked up and now its even spread into the driving world.. politics is literaly a disease nowadays 🤦♂️
Yh true. And if they think im sitting in traffic on a motorcycle waiting for the prick on the phone to squish me ect law or no law i will put myself in a suitable position.
@@trapdoorspider9211 Phones, and potholes, are the reason I won't ride a 2-wheeled vehicle now.
@@onepalproductions I don't know how tf I've pull my front wheel back down so many times on these awful Norfolk potholes
Great video.
Decades ago, my grandfather taught me how to drive. One piece of his advice has always stayed with me - to "drive like everyone else on the road is an idiot". In other words, don't expect other people to be sensible! It's stood me in good stead.
What an awkward rule. Of course you should always be courteous to pedestrians but the whole right of way mentality could be fatal in some situations.
I'm quite happy we don't have this rule in New Zealand.
Do you still have Low Speed Zones (or a similar name?) I was there 30 years ago and thought it was a good idea - a driver needs to adjust their speed to avoid all collisions or the book gets thrown - unless they can show that they had no alternative.
@@tiberiancostal1358 Yes we do! I think you are talking about limited speed zones.
Priority is not right of way, but there are too many people who think that way particularly when it favours themselves.
Almost killed gent (well gent is too kind) on his phone, just walked out and crossed! I was driving a fully loaded recovery truck. Some people are just idiots and self centred
@@b4ndogor479 Ah, thanks - if they work the way I recall, they are a great idea around places like schools
When being a pedestrian when needing to cross a road I will continue to wait until there is a sufficient gap between traffic to cross safely, I will not assume or take priority over a moving vehicle. I'm confident that this method of crossing the road which has stood me in good stead for over 50 years is the correct and safest way to continue, I take responsibility for my own safety and do not rely on a motorist's or cyclist's understanding or otherwise of some ill thought out regulation change. Why risk a collision with something that could injure or kill you when I was taught a perfectly reasonable and safe way of crossing a road when I was still in short pants.
You were taught as I was
Some people don't realise that a chunk of metal can't just stop dead and that the said chunk of metal is harder than the human body ,and now think they have the right to walk out in front of said metal chunk, These people share the same traits as whoever made the new Highway code revision rules up and that is "IMBECILES"
Yes, it might have served us well for 50 years. But Carrie Johnson knows better...
Yes, that's the way I do it, it's better for everyone than crossing in front.
Let's be real the rule was designed for the ever increasing number of individuals who walk around wear earbuds and have their heads in their phones as they just obliviously walk into traffic.
It's the same reason for warning labels and everything else, the rules are designed for the lowest link, It is simply cheaper to enact this rule then properly educate people.
I got beeped at by a van coming up behind me because I had to give way to a pedestrian wanting to cross as I was turning into a junction. It's a really stupid rule. And dangerous.
Don’t give way to them then. Common sense prevails in this situation
@@uplightuk8924 common sense suggests that the rule is wrong. Stop look and listen worked fine previously. Now we're having to second guess our pedestrian counterparts.
@@forric23 That’s because the rule is wrong and stupid and sooner or later a pedestrian is going to step out in front of a HGV lorry and only then will the government realise they need to change it
@@uplightuk8924 nope, the HGV driver with full licence, and clear vehicle registration is entirely traceable, end of story, easy money, screw safety
@@pauliosantos6379 Agreed. this seems like a way of further monetising minor traffic rule infringements at he expense of overall safety.
Well, this is new! This is first time I've heard of this shake up in the highway code. I'm one of those people wo don't really watch the news regularly or listen to it on the radio in my car, I'm an audiobook kinda person, Sometimes I go weeks at a time without hearing a news bulletin. So this one has completely slipped me by!
I bet there are alot of people out there with similar habits to me where this has gone totally under the radar. I've not even heard about it, let alone read up on it and fully understand it.
Thankyou for your upload sir, I'll get reading.
This latest update is a "solution" to a problem that was never there. It will lead to more injuries than ever before. Ridiculous.
Totally agree. Look right and left. Wait until its safe to cross. Don't get yourself ran over.
I wouldn't want small kids being taught that they can just walk out in front of traffic at a junction. Because it will happen now.
People presume the pedestrian always has right of way everywhere now as proven by the video clips here.
So not only is the new rule clearly dangerous, it is also miscommunicated to motorists and pedestrians alike.
Exactly, it’s an absolute joke
Pushed by a member of the Green Party I believe.
the law does not state that pedestrians should walk out in front of cars. it states that it is the driver's duty to care for the safety of more vulnerable road users.
This sort of zen shhht works on tests and sat next to an instructor, but the very same people driving around in normal life, going to work, running late to pick their kids up, then needing to be in Scunthorpe in 45 minutes for some crpp meeting in a shhh paid job before commuting back to London in time for supper, are really NOT going to drive ANYTHING like this, get real, it's easy to say how we SHOULD drive on a sunny Sunday afternoon cruise with our sweetheart, but noone is going to stop early at EVERY junction on a miserable wet Monday night in the hope somebody may want to cross and give them a quick glance of appreciation, if that!
I think it causes unnecessary confusion. Years ago I stopped behind a row of parked cars to give way to an on coming car, a pedestrian walked out thinking I was giving way to her, a motorbike then came down the side of me and missed her by a millimetre. pedestrians are too unpredictable, especially not knowing the new code correctly.
I also feel that It put Motorcyclists at an even further disadvantage, Motorcycling requires predictability & the ability to confidently assume that other road users are going to do as they are expected to do. harsh braking at slow speeds and while turning is difficult and dangerous for motorcyclists, these changes were poorly communicated.
pedestrians may be unpredictable but they are generally very slow. if they look unpredictable and fast, it is you going too fast for the situation.
@@jpross68 As an "alive" life long rider I always confidently assume that other road users might do something unpredictable !
Great video as always, I think they should use some of these as an advert to help everyone understand what is expected under the new highway code
Very informative and clear.This has been a big help.
Thank you
I go for a walk around my neighbourhood every day. I have started to become aware that some motor vehicles are already adopting the new priorities. One example - I was walking along a main road, which involved crossing a side road. A private hire car approaching along the main road stopped abruptly at the junction when I was halfway across. Only after coming to a halt did he indicate for a left turn into the side road I was crossing. Bad indicating, bad braking, but properly giving way in accordance with the new rules. It felt very strange, and very uncomfortable. I can't see myself ever accepting that this is a good idea.
That's seems to be your Stockholm syndrome talking. You've given way and had to wait for cars for years even though you're the weaker road user (and saving the environment, way more efficient "transport") that it now feels weird to get the priority you deserve.
There is a Notjustbikes video in which the presenter mentions how great the bicycle sensors for traffic lights are in NL. They see you coming and either make it green a bit longer or turn to green just in time FOR YOU. It's a great feeling.
@@woutervanr notjustbikes is such a great channel
@@daleksecsy It really is. Just watching Ashley's videos might give people the impression that the only thing you can change to make traffic safer is your driving, which just isn't the case.
@@woutervanr will all the extra start-stopping from giving way really help the environment though?
@@MrSapps Start-stopping in it self won't, but that's not the whole picture ofcourse. More people will walk/cycles because of this. Even if only 1 extra person walks/cycles a journey becasue of these "new" rules instead of driving it, the extra environmental damage from start-stopping for that one person is VASTLY outweighed by the environmental savings of them not driving. Kinda obvious isn't it.
Ideally you won't have the start-stopping though. Not because of the minute increase in the massive amount of emisions for cars, but because humans can't be trusted to completely follow the rules 100% all the time. Be it on purpose or becasue they're tired or whatever. There should be segrageted cycle lanes and way more car free zones/LTNs. When transport alternative become more attractive (finacially, time wise, etc) the average person will change their mode of transport. This is a fact traffic planners have know for decades. The only unkown is exactly how much people will change their behaviour.
We were discussing the new rules on a CPC course yesterday, and the majority view was that these new rules are going to cause more incidents and collisions than they will prevent. Especially when it comes to stopping before turning left from a major road into a minor road to let a pedestrian cross. People already tailgate or nearly hit the vehicle in front when they slow to turn left already, many having to cross the centre line into oncoming traffic to avoid slamming into the back of the turning vehicle in front. With that vehicle now having to stop, and the actions of the following driver being as they are, it will only be a matter of time before a rear end shunt will propel the waiting vehicle into the pedestrian.
As you showed in one of your clips in this video, due to not every junction being without obstructions, a following driver may not even see a pedestrian waiting to cross that the car in front has stopped for, further increasing the risk of a rear end collision.
Yes, it goes without saying that sufficient distance should be left between them and the car in front, but as we all know, in the real world this rarely ever happens.
Well done for staying awake! If nothing else, these changes make the cpc at least a little more relevant than some topics 😊
We'll just have to wait and see for some actual data. A jump in accidents shortly after this change can definitely be easily explained you'd think. As you said, some locations just don't allow for observations to be made well and soon enough. Some infrastructure has to be chnaged to make this work as intended.
I agree the problem will be in city traffic if everyone starts to leave the correct breaking distance roads will be even more chaotic I used to work in schools and public parks grass cutting when the kids were out I would be required to drive at walking pace for my own sanity in schools to allow for children even going into and out off it was a max of 7 mph well it is going to be fun if we all get forced to drive a 7 mph because people are going to think they allowed to walk into the road. I have found any speed above that will make stopping in time down to luck 😜
@@mintywebb I wish people would!
I've been driving professionally for over 30 years with zero incidents, yet see avoidable collisions every single day.
We stopped for a girl to cross at a junction yesterday when pulling out (from a minor road into a major one), and the driver behind me sounded his horn in anger.
Fantastic bit of footage and tutorial 😁👍realy good of you to teach the crowds, sence 👌👌
Interesting and educational examples here, thank you for them. In my view the biggest problem isn't the rules themselves, although there may be problems with them, it is that where there was in general clarity there is now confusion and that is what is most dangerous. The lack of clarity is also causing more stressful road interactions and that is also a very bad thing.
I like how you explained it's only a "should", but to assess the situation. So many motorists, cyclists and pedestrians think it's a "MUST".
I dread to think how many learner drivers could fail tests, etc. for reasons like how you'd shown in the video. That was definitely harsh, ruling it as a fail. 😬
it was a bit harsh, but looking at it from the instructor side. could it be that even though the pedestrian stopped and changed direction, that they had already stepped into the road and so the driver should have stopped. to then reasses the situation, and move on when safe to do so?
Meh, I disagree with your "definitely". Maybe it was a bit too harsh, but not definitely.
For the learner clip I think it would depend a little more on how the pupil reacted in the car. If they showed that they knew the pedestrian had priority but had chosen not to take it then it would be fine. If they didn’t make that clear then it’s more of a concern.
@@woutervanr What's The Story? Have the DfT and DVLA got some Master plan?
I Don't Believe The Truth until i recieve my letter from them. It should Be Here Now.
I think it may have been because whilst the learner was driving slow enough the pedestrian could have crossed there didnt appear to be any change of speed the drive just continued crawling along instead of stopping. It was this inaction that gave the pedestrian hesitancy and opted to go brhind instead. Thats most likely why it was marked as a fail.
Having to give way at lights defeats the purpose of the lights, same with roundabouts
The bike was coming from behind the car. And they tend to cycle inside the car so Ashley not allowing the cyclist to make his move could knock the cyclist over.
@@lynnenicholson6968 i think they were talking about the pedestrian clip not the bike clip
So you would advocated running them over? You should ALWAYS give way to pedestrians in ALL circumstances.
Lights, yes, roundabouts, no.
Roundabouts are meant to slow cars down and reduce deadly side on collisions. If designed properly (so not in the UK, especially the painted mini ones) they're the PERFECT place to give way to cyclists and pedestrians.
Does this mean that roundabouts, especially in denser areas, will slow car traffic down more? Yes. Is this a desired effect? Also yes. Will this result in a modal shift? Yes again.
Because while you might be a car driver, most people (70-80%) just want to go from A to B as convenient as possible. Be it by car/train/bus/bicycle/foot.
@@simonavarne9635 so if cars have a green traffic light and the pedestrians have a red light cars have stop and give way?! How ridiculous and a recipe for disaster
As a London born cyclist with more miles on a bike than in a car:
The cyclist who did not pass you was waiting for you, he had seen, and was heeding, your left turn signal. Going at the speed he was he could not signal and remain in control of his bike.
In my opinion you should have made your left turn…
If he was the kind of cyclist who shoots lights and does not signal he would have slithered past you anyway.
I also appreciate that your move was safer.
Exactly right. As someone who has somehow survived 35 years of urban cycling, this is a well-known scenario. As you approach an intersection you see a car in front of you signalling to turn left. Whichever way you want to go, it’s best to wait behind the car, and tuck right into his lane if necessary. If you’re directly behind the car it removes the ambiguity. The car will know you can’t dart past and they’re free turn left, right, or even proceed straight ahead. If they don’t turn left, despite signalling it, there’s no drama. Mild cursing, but no drama.
Yes and well said. Cyclists have two hands and when faced with a difficult situation they keep both hands on the 'bars, the closest position to the brakes.
As a pedestrian, I always give right of way to any vehicle.. as in the event of a collision, the vehicle would win every single time.
Not to mention a vehicle can’t actually stop as quickly as me or accelerate to 15mph as fast as I can run
"But I had right of way" - not my last words
Let’s bring additional complexity and grey areas into a safety sensitive environment- sounds a good plan.
As a pedestrian I feel I should only cross a road by one of two methods: cross at a designated crossing or see and avoid traffic myself.
Driving in busy urban streets can already be challenging, with many hazards to watch out for. Having to infer the intent of pedestrians at potentially many different points around a junction is an added complexity. Don’t get me wrong - I will already do this as far as possible and look for hazards who may step into the road. However, me knowing that they should look out for themselves - together with me looking out for them - is an added layer of security.
@@picaso023 Yeah don't over think it, just run them over lol. This rule change is absurd. Pedestrians don't have indicators. How do you know for sure that the pedestrian is 100% going to cross the junction and not just stop for some reason?
I think this video starts to illustrate just how much of a mess they have made with these changes.
I'm still not comfortable with anything that effectively causes me to give way to someone who is behind me, like the cyclist here. I'm always going to be careful and make sure I don't suddenly cut in front of them, but I think it's best for everyone if we continue to proceed, in order, in whichever way we are all going. If someone cuts past me or looks like they're going to then sure, react accordingly.
@@DNRTannen The problem with the cyclist passing on the left in Ashley's video is rule 74, which is in the guidance for cyclists section. It states "...Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left..."
In other words, the cyclist should not have passed Ashley because he was indicating to turn left (74), even though Ashley believes he "should" give way to the cyclist (H3). Note that having turned left Ashley now has to overtake the cyclist again, an unnecesary risk in my opinion.
@@stuartking Exactly the new rules aren't even consistent in this respect. Also it is dangerous to pass on the left unless you are really sure that the car in front has seen you. Vehicles have blind spots and cyclists are easily missed especially at night.
@@stuartking I read those rules as cooperating to prevent left turn collisions (but not right turn collisions). Rule 74 tells the cyclist not to undertake when someone's turning left. However, H3 says that if they do this anyway, or it looks like they're going to, then the other road users have to keep their path clear. Doesn't seem to be any equivalent to rule 74 for overtaking Road users waiting to turn right though.
I'm sorry but the example you give at 0.30 is wrong and misleading. The new rules state that drivers should give way to pedestrians crossing or WAITING TO CROSS. This person was doing neither, he was simply walking on the pavement (and at least 3 or 4 metres from the kerb when the driver decided to stop). Of course drivers need to be careful and observant, but they should not give way based on guesswork as to whether someone might (just might) intend to cross at some stage in the future.
Respect, great video, informative and lots of common sense (which isn't always so common these days)
I like the closing line, "Look after yourself and just as importantly look after others"
As a parent I will continue to teach my children to cross the road when safe to do so and not when vehicles are approaching. Its a stupid rule and causes confusion and potentially injury
I'm always going to want to walk behind a car rather than in front of it where possible. It just seems safer for me, and more convenient for the driver. It's actually a pet peeve of mine when a driver stops to let me across when they could have kept on driving and left a clear road behind them. Unless you're willing to hold back traffic behind you, you've done me no favours (not that I especially want to risk being hit by someone doing a risky overtake either though).
100% agree, sometimes it takes longer for the driver to stop and wave you across than it would if they just drove passed and you cross behind them
Completely agree with you. I like to make my own judgements and have been quite aggressively hooted/shouted at when I don't cross in front of a vehicle, both before and after the rules changed; I usually walk away and cross elsewhere.
If there is no traffic behind the car that's stopped I try to thank them and wave them on as stopping seems pointless. If it's a busy junction with a queue of trafgic waiting to get out I'll usually take the offer and cross.
I also want to teach my 3 year old to make his own judgements and cross when the road is clear, rather than relying on people in cars to chose for him, and this really doesn't help with that!
Yea I've done this for ages. Thought I was the only one, haha. Since cars must give peds the right of way, it literally removes all caution in decision-making process for the driver and they can just go right ahead. No ambiguity.
In fact, that is the recommendation when going to the drivers side to get in a vehicle parked on the road too.
I generally just wave the car to go on once they get to the intersection (in the US most roads either have a light or a stop sign so they have to stop no matter what in most cases...only a very few intersections have neither which indicated the car doesn't have to stop, well in my city at least...may be different in other US cities tbh) at intersections without lights and will only go through if they wave me through/flash their blinkers and are at a complete stop as that would indicate they acknowledge they're aware of me (so unless they're aiming to run me over i should be fine from them lol), granted i make sure no other car is coming from any of the other 3 directions of the intersection as well (no point on heading through if another car winds up hitting me after all).
As for intersections with lights i still give a few seconds before crossing to make sure i don't get hit by any last minute red light jumpers and if there's only 1 or 2 vehicles trying to make a turn onto/from the street I'll be crossing I generally wave them through as well to make sure until the turning lane is empty just to be extra safe...from then it's only worrying about someone trying to turn on the far away side of the street, granted that's mainly an issue for the 4+ lane intersections that take a bit longer to cross.
Biggest issue i can see for this law in this country (not even sure which one this video's focused on...know it's not the US as we drive on the right hand lane of the street and the video is on the left lane...don't aske me why it's like this well before i was born) will be for if pedestrians try to use this rule to cross shit like large highways and other heavy traffic areas when there's oncoming traffic. Ya the US also has a pedestrian first focus as well but generally that doesn't apply to highways/similar heavy traffic areas unless at a stop light so if exceptions like this aren't in this new law for this country it will be causing a lot of accidents in places like that where pedestrians decide to be idiots thinking they have the right of way in a 60mph+ (or whatever the equivalent speed is in for said country...probably uses kilometers per hour or some other non American measurement for distance rather than miles right?) stretch of road and think the vehicles will be able to stop in time (which if they paid attention to science class they would know mass can't be halted that easily at that speed or higher).
This is really very helpful showing real-life situations and drawing out the decisions that have to be made in seconds. Although I’ve been driving since the 1980s, I’m already feeling less comfortable behind the wheel.
I recall some years ago I believe this in Canada pedestrians were asked to stick their arm out before crossing so motorists know whether they're just sitting there gabbing or whether they're actually meaning to cross, after all it should be some responsibility on the pedestrians to act carefully for their own safety and for smooth traffic flow
Very good advice. Thanks for posting.
2:15 "Just at junctions" Thank you! This clip and the next one explain something that hasn't been properly communicated at all. I've had people walk out accross a major dual carriageway and expecting traffic to stop because they "Have the Right of Way", as though that can stop a 10 tonne lorry in 50 yards.
I’m interested to know whether give way lines still indicate the locations that motorists should give way, the new rules just changing it from giving way to pedestrians already crossing, to add giving way to pedestrians waiting to cross. In which case at e.g traffic island exits with no give way line, there is no give way. Confused, we all are!
I thought you only had to give way to pedestrians when turning into side roads from main roads? Not the other way round & imagine encouraging people to walk in front of cars, completely bonkers
@@mikeyyoyo6464 why do you think there are two give way lines at the point a side road meets a main road? One for give way to vehicles on the main road, one for give way to pedestrians, it's why there is only one give way line at the entry into side roads, give way to pedestrians, but only one line as there is no give way to vehicles.
@@aardwolf21 I’m 58, been driving since I was 17, passed car, motorcycle & R-tic tests, drove trucks for 25 years & this is the first time anyone has explained this to me, you definitely learn a new thing every day 🤷🏻♂️
@@aardwolf21 I've written a long comment on exactly this point at the main level
This new rule to allow pedestrians priority at junctions is the most ludicrous thing ever to be added to the Highway Code.
Good thing it isn't law and you can't be penalised for not giving way to pedestrians at ridiculous crossing places. Only if you hit them can you get in trouble 🙂
Some sense at a last. Insane rule. Someone was bored and made a stupid rule up which will cause accidents.
I quite agree. It was fine as it was and drivers were already aware to look out for hapless pedestrians who might put themselves in harms way but now we have indecision everywhere and the risk is that a car that stops on the apex of a corner gets hit from behind by a driver who cannot see or predict the reason for the stop.
I agree. It will actually take longer for the pedestrian to cross. By the time you've stopped for them, let them cross, they realise you're letting them cross, then they make sure no cars are coming from the other way, then they cross, you could have just drove past and then they can cross.
@@travellingtom6091 I think It's based on the 70's film "Death Race 2000" If you not heard of it check it out
Since this new advice on the highway code came in whenever I'm walking and at a junction where cars are trying to pull out, I stay well away from the road and look in the opposite direction. This new change is madness and I'm not complying with it. Edit: and I'm definitely not teaching my daughter she has priority.
Thank you for this informative video!
All I can see with these rules is that what was once reasonably clear; if a vehicle is going to cross your path, best to let it go UNLESS you've come to an amicable alternative arrangement, is now subject to individual interactions that vary continuously because of the X-factor of the attitude/awareness of the players involved and the road layout.
As a courteous driver I will always allow a pedestrian to cross if it's a reasonable scenario and brightens up both our days with a little wave of acknowledgement. And as a pedestrian who can drive, I always aim to walk behind the first car turning at a junction because that also causes the least inconvenience to all involved.
Sadly I suspect that many of the other incidents that are highlighted in here will become increasingly commonplace as there's no training/test standard for pedestrians - especially the ones that have suddenly become invincible by virtue of some new regs that few will understand - and even moreso if you do it whilst focusing on your social media with earbuds in...
That was an excellent video. Well done Ashley.
I like this video you did. I'm an artic driver, this happens all the time fir me with cyclists and pedestrian. My outlook is if in doubt check it out, give them time. That time I give them is a lot shorter than the time I would spend with the police, if things go wrong. Once again good video.
I seen reactions across the spectrum this week, from pedestrians sauntering across 4 lanes of 40mph traffic, to pedestrians at junctions just stopping and staring at me when I give way to them. Needs more publicity from the government.
Nope, need to revert back to old rules.
No. New rules need to be killed stone dead. Before more pedestrians are.
There's a large 4 junction roundabout where I live - 3 lanes approach/exit on a busy 40mph road, next to a football stadium and not far from heavy industry. No traffic lights, just little pedestrian islands, about a car's length from the give-way lines.
Now, if a vehicle stops to let me cross, especially a large one, I know there's a very high chance that I'm now invisible to the other lanes of approaching traffic. Thanks, but sorry - I'll be staying put until I decide it's safe to cross.
The poor driver who thought they were doing the right thing? They'll probably get rear-ended by traffic accelerating off the roundabout.
100% any roundabout when it's busy; if someone stops on an exit, it potentially blocks every exit if everyone wants to go a specific route. Plus, as you said, no one expects the sudden stop, and you're likely to cause someone to crash into you. It doesn't even make it safer for the pedestrians; you haven't got a clue whether someone will give you priority; the whole thing is stupid and unnecessary.
Good video to explain the new rules. Should be an advert on TV.
Great video. Helped me understand this new rule.
I passed out in November 2021 and I've only actually been driving solo for a month+, got to say that your videos (including your analysis series) are so helpful in how to drive beyond passing the test. It's so true even after hearing it what feels like 1K times: You learn how to drive AFTER your test, learning to drive is just the fundamentals. I'd have walked over hot coals to have had you as my instructor compared to the old-fashioned guy I had, but I'm in Glasgow!!
Thanks for all you do Ashley, from me and my wee Renault Twingo.
Damn have you woken up yet?
I failed to give way to a pedestrian at a junction today (who was waiting anyway). Had I stopped, my car would have been stuck across a busy road which would have been dangerous. I don't know, it seems like this rule change has not been thought through. I felt like it was non-ideal whatever I did.
I agree that it hasn't been thought through. The issue I see is turning from a main road into a side road, many drivers do not concentrate and don't "read" the road. I think it is asking for an increase in rear end shunts.
@@suejames3208 The trick is to treat turning into a side road the same as turning into a private drive by crossing the pavement. You would naturally give way to any pedestrians walking along the pavement. With side roads you are giving way to pedestrians who are walk along the pavement and crossing side roads as they walk along.
You seriously entered the crossing without having clear way through? That in itself was most certainly a violation.
I've had a few people cross the road without looking recently not at junctions presumably thinking they have priority or just invincable. Glad I have a dash cam.
Having involuntarily become a pedestrian for the last week or so while my car was off the road, I have to say that I have seen little evidence of drivers observing the new rules, indeed it seems that I am in a small minority who bother even to follow the previous rule and give way to pedestrians already crossing the road!
On the six mile round trip walk to and from work, I cross numerous junctions but in 10 days only one vehicle has stopped to allow me to cross when I was standing at the kerb clearly waiting to do so (thank you, Hermes van driver!). By contrast, I had three very near misses with vehicles turning into a junction where I was already crossing (which gave me right of way under the previous rules).
It may not come as a surprise that two of these 'near miss' vehicles were taxis! One of the taxis cut so closely in front of me that I was struck by his wing mirror. This caused the driver to abandon his, still running, vehicle in the middle of the road in order to launch a foul mouthed attack on pedestrians who deliberately set out to damage his vehicle and that I had no right to be in the road, I should "stick to the f*****g pavement where s**t like you belong!" I was so astonished that I failed to take his licence plate or taxi number but was, luckily, unharmed other than a bruised arm.
In forty years of driving I've always worked on a precautionary principle with pedestrians; they are at least as likely to do stupid things as drivers but more likely to suffer physical harm as a result. Moreover, as a driver, I have always anticipated that any legal decision would give the benefit of the doubt to the broken pedestrian rather than the driver of the dented car! I have always given way to pedestrians already crossing a junction and been ready to do so if a pedestrian hovering on the edge of the pavement suddenly decided to go kamikaze! Maybe, eventually, the new rule will reduce the amount of infuriated honking of horns by following drivers apparently distressed that I delayed their journey for a few seconds by refusing to mow down that selfish mother and child who are blocking our passage...
As a pedestrian I usually like to wait till I can see all roads are clear before I step out into the road and cross. With these new rules I had a car at a t junction stop and wave me across and straight away I stepped out into the road without looking in any direction as I felt pressured to rush. After I crossed I couldn't believe what I did. Anything could of been traveling coming the other way and hit me. These new rules have been designed with good intentions but I feel more people will get hurt now than before. I've learnt my lesson and will not feel pressured to step out into any road by a waiting car again. I'll likely wave them on and wait till the road is clear.
Bonus to being medically blind I can’t see them waving Sean. I step back from the kerb, if they don’t take the hint I turn away from the road. I’m only going to cross when I feel it is safe. I can’t see if a car has stopped for me, oncoming traffic, is dropping off or picking up a passenger, so I will continue doing what I’ve done for the last 5.5 years since losing most of my sight and only cross when I feel comfortable.
The same has happened to me! Can't presume the driver stopping has checked it's safe for you to cross - often drivers don't understand this and try to insist (with good intentions!), in which case I step back from the curb or walk away.
Exactly
This is one reason I think the new rules are wrong.
You used to be advised against doing this for the reason you stated now their telling drivers to do it.
In three of the clips the pedestrian jumped ran or jogged across the road after seeing the car give them priority.
These new rules are forcing the pedestrian to make rash decisions on when they cross the road and are definitely not making things safer
I noticed that. I think the pick-up-the-pace thing is a long-standing consequence of pedestrians being the serfs and car drivers being the lords of our roads. It's no wonder there's been such a backlash, and it'll take a long time to change habits. In the meantime, people are probably going to get hurt, or at least seriously frightened.
@@PedroConejo1939oh you poor little victim. Have you ever considered you might be milking it ever so slightly?
The new rules are not forcing pedestrians to do anything. They are just emphasising what has always been the case that drivers must give way to pedestrians and not hit them. That must surely make roads safer.
@@mrDUDANATOR Whatever ¯ \_(ツ)_/¯
I’ve had two people so far that have walked out in front of me then proceeded in purposely walking at snail pace while staring directly at me with a strange look on their face.both times I was exiting a main road going into a side road. Both times I was travelling slowly but was nearly rear ended.make that 7 now incidents where I’ve either been driving or in the vehicle. The last one walked out at a junction during a green light . He hit the front of the car with his hands then proceeded to do a neymar roll across the floor. Police were called and luckily so far put the scammy mug off attempting to prosecute. Im starting to suspect this new rule triggered a thought nerve in many disgusting scammish people. They have to end this stupid new law.
Hi Ashley, good video; i was wondering which heads up display are you using here
I’m medically blind (lost most of my sight 5.5 years ago and what remains is steadily deteriorating). I use a white cane and will continue to make my own assessment as to when it’s safe to cross a road, and ignore cars pulling up by me. I can’t see if they are giving way to me or oncoming traffic. I can’t see if they are dropping off or picking up a passenger.
If I’m not comfortable enough to cross I step back from the road. If the car doesn’t move on and I’m still uncomfortable I either move back as far as I can from the road or turn my body away from the road to let the driver know I’m not moving.
My safety is in my hands.
In Ashley’s example of letting the cyclist commit before he moved I could easily misinterpret that as being my right of way at a set of lights with a silent crossing without a working spinner under the pedestrian request box, and be knocked down by the cyclist.
These rules need more clarification, especially whether to give way to pedestrians when exiting a roundabout, there are some roundabouts near me where stopping to let a pedestrian cross would almost certainly result in a vehicle into the side or rear of the stopped vehicle.
It's quite clear. When you turn off a roundabout you have to give way to pedestrians. But then that has always been the case. It has never been OK to run them over. If another vehicle hits you then they are clearly at fault. It's never been OK to hit other vehicles and as before they should leave sufficient space in front of them to stop in time. That too has always been in the Highway Code.
@@simonavarne9635 It isn't clear, in fact rule 187 was not updated and still only says to "watch out" for pedestrians at roundabouts, not to give way to them.
@@ado543 I totally agree that it's unclear, rules talk about bikes at junctions and roundabouts but only talks about junctions in regard to pedestrians. So are they classing a roundabout as a junction or not.
Clear as mud and open to interpretation.
@@simonavarne9635 Yes if the pedestrian has already started to cross, unclear in the (new) highway code if the pedestrian is waiting to cross
@@two-countiesdashcam And how do you know whether they will start to cross just as you get to them? Do you just hit them? You should always drive defensively and give way to pedestrians. Rule H2 "At a junction you should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning." seems pretty clear to me.
Funny one I had, a couple of months ago...
As a pedestrian, I stopped at a corner, looked around, saw there was no road traffic and started to cross the road.
As I reached the middle of the road a police car pulled out of another side-road and reached the junction I was crossing.
The police car pulled right up to the Give Way line and... (sorry, not sorry) I walked in front of the police car and crossed the road.
As I continued along the pavement, I heard a siren behind me, turned around and realised the driver of the police car had pulled over to "have a chat".
I listened to what he said and then asked him if he was aware of the changes to the highway code, giving pedestrians right of way at junctions.
Shortly after that, it became apparent that the "chat" was not likely to be productive so I continued on my way.
What good advice. Thank you.
Good insights as always Ashley, you're giving us far more information than those who are responsible for the rules. It's a shame that many road users will remain ignorant of the changes - or not fully understand how they should behave.
When new rules come out like this it should be televised more. I saw a cyclist ride by our house on the narrow 2 lane 60mph lane yesterday in the middle of the lane. A semi truck came round the corner at normal speeds and had to swerve right out to avoid the cyclist. I'm at a loss as to why they felt the need to change the system when people don't even understand a zebra crossing yet! They just step out and expect you to stop and not wait for you to stop before stepping out.
I don't understand your point. They'd have had to pull right out past the cyclist regardless.
@Anony Mouse yeah since we pay to be there and cyclists don't. It's hard enough these days with people who don't know the rules to introduce more retarded rules imposed by some clueless liberal who probably walks to work.
@@sw1000xg yet every cyclist I know...and I know a lot of cyclists..own at least one taxable vehicle.....the only cyclists I know who don't pay any road tax cos they don't drive are children
@@tonyb5884 bicycles are none taxed. If you have ten cars and vans you have to tax all of them to use them on the road.
@@sw1000xg No you don't. Contrary to popular terminology, there's no such thing as "road tax" i.e. a tax on using the road. It's called Vehicle Excise Duty and is charged on how much pollution your vehicle causes. An important distinction to realise..
Ash you have made me get rid of some bad driving habits 👍👍golf looks nice seen you out on lesson today nice colour.
Great videos! Examples like this are needed to explain the Code changes. What annoys me is that no focus has been given to responsibilities of road users to each other. Pedestrians, joggers etc have a responsibility to other road users eg. being seen and crossing only when safe. Cyclists responsibility is to be seen - bright clothing and functioning lights. I remember this approach from 60 years ago but today's focus seems to be making life difficult for drivers and bikers.
To add to this video. There are those pedestrians who have the attitude "I know my tights, you daren't touch me". Who will just walk into the road, without looking. My previous employer, ran a small bus, service, transporting special needs passengers. This meant driving into housing areas and having to do tricky manoeuvres. The number of times, pedestrians just walk out behind a reversing bus! I recall one incident, where I was demonstrating how to do a LH reverse into a side road. As I was part way through the manoeuvre, I observed a pedestrian walking on the main carriageway on my side, turn right into the side road, down past the moving bus and walk across the road immediately behind me. Then walk back up the road to the main carriageway. Iasked him if he had a death wish, but since there was no one at home, he failed to answer.
Yeah I think people aren't very aware of the fact that you might not be seeing them. Reversing is always a risk, even more with big vehicles.
As a pedestrian, I do not expect a car to stop whilst exiting a roundabout… as a driver, I’m fully expecting to be rear ended whilst exiting a roundabout.
Yeah, rear ended and end up mowing down the ped you stopped to let across. Great job, government 👍
@@peterwhittle522 doesn't seem to happen here in the Netherlands where this rule exists. Plenty of roundabout exit and entry stopping, and the pedestrians and cyclists don't even slow down on approach, the drivers just know to check back over their shoulder as they approach and slow appropriately.
@@jamesbuckle6077 you have fewer roundabouts. And the ones you have are marked out and have appropriate lighting to make them safer as pedestrian crossings. Not every roundabout in the UK is safe to just stop and let someone across. Also UK roundabout exits have no give way line, so as it stands, I don't see why traffic should give way to anything when exiting a roundabout. Are they going to modify all our roundabouts to make them safer? Probably not. If our stupid government wants us to become more like you the Netherlands, they should start by legalising pot, and having window girls in every town centre. Not this.
@@peterwhittle522 I'm from the UK, I just reside in the NL currently. I assure you there are not fewer roundabouts and the lighting at them is no better. My morning commute sees me go through 11 roundabouts here in 9km, in the UK it was 1 in 14km. Many cases the crossing cycle paths are unlit and behind low hedges, it's also common for the bikes to have no lights, no bright clothing and no helmets. I'll grab you some dashcam footage. It's just normal for drivers to slow right down and be prepared to stop, and not stop in a panic, just cruise to a gentle stop if a bike pops out.
@@jamesbuckle6077 still not convinced we should adopt NL traffic regulations. I think they're dangerous, pedestrians should just wait until traffic clears to cross. And I'm glad to see that so far I haven't seen anyone actually following them. Do not comply with stupid rules.
Seems like we’re slowly turning the roads into walk ways 😂
This has helped cleared up a little cinfusion I have had with some of these situations. Pulling into the road where I live sees alot of traffic on the pavement and as peestrians have not been near the curb when I have pulled in I have still gone. I have had where I've gone to pull into this road and a pedestrian has got to the curb to cross so I've given them the priority when there has been no cars behind me and the opposite when there have been. I think it is save to say that it may be better if I hang back for a bit until it is clear, maybe?
Ah yes, the uninformed/misinformed pedestrian that now thinks cars HAVE to give way in all circumstances.
I was in a supermarket carpark on Saturday, crawling towards an empty spot, when a random guy who's walking near my car starts hollering WHOAH WHOAH with both his arms in the air demanding I come to a complete stop just so he could continue to walk along the side and behind my car. Acting as if I was doing 30 or 40mph and about to knock someone over!
Had that, I'm certain the bloke deliberately walked close behind me to create the situation since I had very carefully checked before moving. The angry bloke came to my window to vocalise, so I kindly explained to him that he had a far better view of his surroundings than I had of mine and demonstrating a bit of good judgement was still in his gift. I might not have convinced him but I damned well confused him.
Things that didn't happen No. 17.
I don't drive but totally get you, just because you have 'Right Of Way' why would you risk getting hurt? These people are the same people you still see going around wearing mask outside I'd wager! Absolute morons!
@@jamespeters3430 it literally did, fool. Take the tinfoil hat off, not everything is conspiracy.
@@mintywebb, his over the top histrionics, like he was auditioning for the local Am dram club. I have no issue giving way to pedestrians, at all, but you missed my point ENTIRELY bcos you wanted to start a strawman argument.
Had one earlier this week. I was waiting to turn right into a side road, pedestrians at the kerb. I waited, they didn't move. One reason they didn't move is because there was a car at the junction waiting to turn right into the road I was on. I was blocking the right turner, the right turner was blocking the pedestrians. I completed my turn, other car left, pedestrains crossed. As you say give yourself time to assess and if no one reacts proceed carefully.
Unfortunately this wouldn’t have happened with the old rules, you’d have gone, the other driver would’ve gone, then the pedestrians.
I saw a crash this week when a car went to turn left I to a junction and slowed a lot to let the pedestrians cross as they turned in, the car to their rear didn’t react quick enough and hit him, good job the car that turned in had his foot firmly on the breaks otherwise he would’ve been pushed into the pedestrians, this new rule is dangerous imo after seeing that
Yes I came here to say the exact same thing. Think the DVSA have dropped the ball with this one, be courteous of course but pedestrians still need to take some responsibility.
@@MrTuts4life as Ash says, until everyone is onboard with the new rules and drivers _expect_ the car in front to stop it's completely bonkers.
@@MrTuts4life The speed of the following car caused the danger as well as the accident.
There are no new rules either, it's just more emphasis on what the legislation has been ever since they painted the white lines on junctions.
@@ethelmini If there was no intention of new rules then adding in H1-H3 is pointless. The fact that this conversation and debate is happening clearly demonstrates that there are new rules in force.
well put together and explained so thank you for that, in regards to the clips i expect to see more of the "entitled" attitude of the kids with dogs happening rather than the aware pedestrian taking note of the road users, also as an ex motorcyclist of 23 yrs and a car driver (so far) of 16 yrs i can almost guarantee that a good percentage of drivers will not only be blissfully unaware of the changes in regards to them but also there will be a decent percentage that will be willfully ignorant with no intention of changing their driving habits, i can see the sales of dashcams increasing as the potential for insurance scams has just increased tenfold
In Norway, you have to give way on marked crossings. A lot of crossings there is room for a car between the crossing and the yield line.
When I took my exam, a pedestrian walked toward the crossing and turned away. When I passed he went over the street.
I immediately explained my rational why I did not stop.
At the end of the exam, I was told that if I had not explained myself, I would have flunked the test. My commenting showed that I was aware.
Good video, and well explained. But it is about the interpretation of the changes, which is going to cause confusion. Like the test examiner failing the learner, a jobsworth police officer just looking to write another ticket etc. You could clearly pull up short of a multi lane junction on the left lane to allow a pedestrian to cross, they see this and start to cross, but a car turning right, doesn't. If you are in a transit van, no-one can see through your vehicle, so the chance that you have encouraged them to cross by following the new rules, can still lead to more accidents.
I would still love to see a video from yourself, at lunch time in a city centre, with a high amount of pedestrians, and how it effects your journey. Like you say, it is likely to take up to a few years, before everyone follows the new rules as intended. Even in your video, pedestrians are indicating that they believe these changes means that anywhere, not just at junctions, they can now cross and expect drivers to stop, when not all will. By behaving like that, they do not realise how much danger they could be placing themselves and other road users in.
exactly, you said exactly what I was thinking.....the roads are for cars and the pavements are for pedestrians, they have things put in place to help them cross the road like different crossings and an in built thing called common sense, will I be given the same consideration when a pedestrian does not give way to me when im driving down a pavement.
@Advanced Driving I fear this will create more people getting rear ended, mainly mild ones, but still... Who hasn't seen an impatient driver on the roads, lights change to green, the car behind moves but you don't due to the cyclists, bump! Yes its his fault, but how many times a year do you want your car in the garage? They will soon run out of courtesy cars.
I live in London, and the amount of pedestrians and cyclists, here is huge. If I follow the changes to the letter, then I'd never be able to turn off a road during lunch time. Even harder, if its a one way road I need to enter, so unable to approach it from any other direction. Ashley's comment 'its easy just drive on', from a different post about blind people, it isn't, in built up areas, but it will be easy to get a fine for it. Take the learner driver who failed his test, the pedestrian wasn't visible till close to the junction, now change the pedestrian to a police officer with tickets to spare. There goes £200. The white van man, who pulls up short in the left lane at a junction to allow a lady with a buggy to cross, but the impatient Audi driver turning right, doesn't notice them till they pass the van, oops hood ornament!
1:40. That was harsh failing the driver for that. The driver clearly did give way to the pedestrian and visibly slowed, but the pedestrian aborted their crossing and instead opted to go around the back of the vehicle. Nowhere in the new rules (or any of the existing rules for that matter) does it mandate that you must come to a stop in order to give way. It's perfectly possible (and legal) to give way whilst still moving.
2:27 - this is exactly the type of behaviour and attitude these new rules will illicit from many pedestrians. Many pedestrians will never actually read the rules of the highway code - let alone take the time to understand the nuances or the point of view of the other road user. They will have simply heard a sound byte on TV or an anecdote from one of their mates at school or down the pub - and will be under the false belief pedestrians now have priority (or even worse - right of way) over cars under all circumstances.
Hi Ashley, I apologise it's a bit off topic but what heads up display are you using in the first clip?
I recently moved to the US and was really surprised by how courteous drivers in my area are to pedestrians. They stop to let you cross no matter where you are on a road, and they stop well back too. I never expected it here at all. In Germany it was totally different. There, they will give way to pedestrians only if there are drop kerbs (usually at roundabouts, junctions or crossings) - try crossing anywhere else at your peril!
Law's the law. Same in my country, we only let you cross when we are turning or are at a marked crossing. This is emphasized in driving classes
As a pedestrian I will continue to take responsibility for my own ass.
Cars trump pedestrians and cyclists, in the same way that trains trump cars on level crossings. Our lawmakers are insane.
@@user23867 No excuse for bigger vehicles to be less observant, everybody using the space needs to give the same full attention. I agree its going to cause accidents though, extremely badly rolled out in my view. DVLA should be notifying all licence holders by letter as lets face it, how many road users regularly read the highway code. Its a step in the right direction to encourage people out of their cars but to change over like they have seems likely to cause problems. Ashley's interpretation of that cyclist at the end miffed me, he didnt filter through so i dont see why you'd give way to someone behind you, he'd have filtered if he was that bothered about getting ahead.
@@beeftec5862 Rules should follow the rule of the land not whatever lawmaker dreams on the job! Whatever you should think what everybody _SHOULD_ do is irrelevant. What matters is what people _CAN_ do in a certain situation. Have you noticed the absent minded pedestrian at the beginning? Yeah, that sums it up for "attention"
@@beeftec5862 Apart from the massive blind spots, you can't observe what you can't see. Go to any dock in the country and you will find signposts telling you to beware because the drivers can't see you. 2 people killed in a year by standing in blind spots.
@@cristianstoica4544 argue that in a court of law when you kill somebody
@@beeftec5862 go poke your eyes and tell us if you see better
As an instructor, I am puzzled as to why they had to rock the boat . They have created a lot of ambiguity. On countless lessons recently applying these new rules , it has created road rage and utter confusion ...time will tell .
Not really sure why it's so hard. As you approach, just give people a bit more time to move. If they don't, drive on. I'm sure there's some super busy junctions that have pedestrians coming from all angles, but they're going to be about 0.5% of junctions.
@@jamesbuckle6077 roundabouts.
@@illeatthat not seeing a problem with roundabouts
@@jamesbuckle6077 youre not supposed to stop on a roundabout. yet now if theres a person waiting to cross on an exit you have to stop on the roundabout..... you cant see the problem with that?
most roundabouts that point a car would be made to stop on would be the on section to the left for other cars. you youre going to have a lot more people joining roundabouts expecting the flow of traffic to keep going, but now people are going to be stopping to let pedestrians cross, so now everyone has to constantly look right when coming on a roundabout to check the speeds of other cars and also being extra careful because cars in front/left are now going to be stopping far more often.
@@ge2719 I don't believe there's any such rule. Its quite common to stop on roundabouts when the exit traffic is stopped for some reason. You can't stop for no reason, of course.
Here in the U.S. we have a wild innovation called the "crosswalk," a painted path showing pedestrians where to cross (i.e., one corner of the street to another). In some cases where traffic is heavy, there is a button to press that triggers a signal light if the pedestrian needs a safe amount of time to cross. Generally, pedestrians have the right of way, esp. wherever there is a painted crosswalk.
BTW in my neck of the woods we call the roundabout the "circle of death."
Circle of death! That's how mini roundabouts seem like by me in the UK without mentioning the big one's. Our roads are a nightmare with everything to think about whilst trying to concentrate at the same time.
We have Zebra crossings here in some of the most stupid places ever! We also have a crossing button but most people just like to press it when there's no need. The law is an ass and this is just one more problem to encounter. Now people are just walking into the roads like zombies.
Another bright idea our government has come up with is to allow cyclists to cycle in the middle of the road. This is causing massive tail backs and yet these people pay nothing to be on the road. They are not required to even have insurance yet these are the most vulnerable people on the roads and yet if they hit us.. well.. we pay!
@@thescrutineer7022 Good summary of your state of affairs where you are. I am going to have to look up Zebra crossing--had not heard of that before. Best of luck--we all need luck!
@@texanfournow Oh it's a stripy crossing we call it a Zebra crossing! I bet the roads are so much more free and easy where you are? Looks like it's a pleasure to drive on lovely open roads.. hopefully one day I will get to experience that! Thank you.
In Victoria, Australia, the car always has right of way on roundabouts but not a lot of people know this so it can cause confusion
A group of young teens crossed the road in from of me and others. One of the kids stopped a meter away from the kerb and stood looking at the oncoming traffic as it had to pass round him. He was taunting the car drivers. I assumed he knew of the new rules and took his 'priority' to dangerous levels.
Knew this would happen. In my opinion pedestrians should only have priority at crossings
It's hard but you have to let these things go - otherwise it will play on your mind and colour the rest of your day, which is a waste of your own precious time. Remember he's not a pedestrian exactly. He's just a prick and he could have appeared anywhere.
This has been happening for years, as a Hgv driver I've had it happen to me many times, always teenagers, mainly boys but girls also, just hoping for a confrontation.
@@garethjones8047 the other thing that annoys me is schoolkids walking out at crossings when the lights are green for drivers . adults too
As has been the case before the "changes (which aren't really changes but more clarifications)," priority is given, not taken. It doesn't have to be given if it us more likely to be unsafe than continuing....
Unfortunately, all types of road users are guilty of taking priority, even pedestrians just walking out into the road prior to the changes. It's just something us drivers have to deal with on a case by case basis, as you've said.
I don't drive that often anymore, but recently popped out and almost saw a crash because of these insane changes. The car two cars up went to turn left, turned out a pedestrian was waiting to cross. The car stopped, the car right behind swerved on to the wrong side of the road, a cyclist came up the middle of the road and almost went into the back of that car. I just sat there shaking my head.
Had a very similar experience recently. I was turning left off a dual carriageway. A pedestrian on the pavement to my left was approaching the road I was turning into and would have blindly stepped out, but had a go at me saying I cut him up. But I would have had to stop on a dual carriageway to allow him to cross. I didn’t really understand to be honest. For me, if you are stepping out in the road, you look and cross when it is safe. Simple. Both driver and pedestrian need to know that it is safe for them to step out in the road.
*THEY CHANGED TO THIS* here in Bulgaria 10 years ago and it totally changed life for pedestrians.
they also started teaching driving in schools from 5 years old - they have accurate roads on the playground and little electric cars and you learn how to be a good driver as part of your schooling - the driving here has gone from the worst I have ever seen, and I've driven in Africa, to some of the best.
This is a GREAT idea! GB :)
@@graemebrumfitt6668 - It had an amazing effect on the general standard of driving here, also it means that kids from wealthier households don't have an employment advantage cos they have a driving licence earlier than poor kids.
I’ve been driving since very very young and if made mandatory would help a lot
I was only thinking this the other day but we don't evan have cycle training in most schools.
The way I see it when I am driving any vehicle I do my upmost to protect other road users, after all in my big metallic box I am more protected than motor cyclists, cyclists and pedestrians so I do my best to protect them. I like to think I already practice these new rules and that, thanks to this channel, I am a safe driver for everyone.
Great video looking at this from various viewpoints. I thought drivers already had to give way to pedestrians crossing at a giveway junction. But of course many don't do that. So adding further legislation on top of generally not adhered to rules seems mostly pointless.
Finally someone explained it properly thanks Ashley, rules are clear as mud and let's be honest I don't see many following it
I have been a pedestrian for significantly longer than I have been a road user. I have always dreamt of being a road user, ever since I was a kid so as such I think I navigate the streets quite well. When I watched the clip of the dog walkers just send across the road I got a little bit mad, but then the last 'lad' threw his hand up towards the car and I was down right furious.
As said I have always tried to be compliant with traffic. I have no issues allowing a car to turn before I cross, if it will help the traffic to flow steadily. However, the absolute disrespect is just unbelievable. I just don't understand the arrogance some people have today.
Pedestrians are road users too
@@broadsword6650 yeah true that I suppose. Still surprises me sometimes how badly people use them
It was a convoy of pedestrians.
The thing to do is to stop and let them all cross.....Patience!
4:00 Look at it from the cyclist's point of view. He's approaching a queue at a red light with at least one car indicating left. I'd say it's very sensible road skills to know you're likely to be catching up with the queue just as the lights will be changing, therefore stopping and positioning where he did seems absolutely fine to me and I would have done the same. I wouldn't have expected the car ahead to hesitate, if anything I'd be more concerned about it compared to the car accelerating away and clearing the junction well before I need to worry about passing it. I've been in this position enough times and I'm completely fine with the car moving ahead regardless of what the Highway Code now has to say about it.
I do know under different circumstances the cyclist could easily have been left hooked and he'd be criticised on here for having 'poor road skills' for NOT stopping and waiting where he did.
I don't think you did anything wrong yourself but you're saying to "pick the safer option'" and I guarantee that's what he was trying to do as well.
Highway code rule 74 instructs:
"Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left."
To my mind, the cyclist was sensible in holding back and was correctly abiding by this rule.
If the cyclist had followed the rules correctly then the driver would have known that he was about to turn left and not go straight ahead (as indicated by not signaling). Therefore he allowed him to pass so that he could continue ahead before making his left turn. Nothing to do with where he positioned himself behind the driver.
@@Jmixup Suppose the cyclist did want to go straight ahead: Would it be sensible for him to overtake the car ahead of him on the inside of the car's indicated turn?
Hi Ashley,
Great videos and advice. I think improving people’s communication skills and levels of patience go a long way to better safety for all.
Can you explain why in the last clip with the cyclist you didn’t move off when the light turned green in the knowledge that you as the lead vehicle on the road, and being a car that pulls away more quickly, would have priority and thus reducing interaction and risk between yourself and the cyclist? As a cyclist and driver I would have thought it exposed the cyclist to less danger of you had progressed in an assumed manner and pulled away ahead of the cyclist, they could then have taken the appropriate action behind you whether you made a left turn or continued straight on.
Thanks for all your information and efforts to help us all be better/more aware road users!
Absolutely class video
Thanks Ashley for another interesting video.
That cyclist yielding when coming off the roundabout had me holding my breath waiting for something to happen! Fair play to them for remembering that the rules are not just for cars/vans etc.
Most cyclists get hit from behind. Having to stop suddenly for pedestrians only makes thing worse! Pedestrians have no trouble crossing a street with cyclists! Half a step slower and the problem is solved. When do you finally come to your senses on the silly island? If you want the same rules for cyclists then perhaps give them sledge hammers so they too can kill 1.3 million people very year just like cars?
Yep a cyclist braking suddenly while exiting a roundabout will lead to at the very best abuse from a call driver,and at worst, death. Cyclists don't stop while exiting a roundabout for god's sake.
Speaking as an occasional dry weather cyclist, that final one was him waiting behind you and letting you go first; he was queuing. I think you were safe to go ahead. However, what you did after you let him go was absolutely correct in waiting and watching to see where he went. Whenever I have to wait at lights I never go to the front of the queue, but a couple of cars back. Enough so that any driver passing will have seen me, and not to the head where the lead driver may not see me at his side.
As for the new rules, they are monumentally stupid, and even a driving instructor I know states this. I speak as a pedestrian, a cyclist, and a driver when I say they are only there so that blame for "shared spaces" is put on the motorist and not the local councils who came up with these scheme. It's the only place where the rules make any sense and a brilliant way to blame drivers for accidents. I've already seen where councils have fudged the demarkation between pavements and junctions nearly causing accidents, and even though I'm alert and aware even I didn't know at points where I was walking out in to a junction because of this. And worse, they then put in a cycle path on the pavement which is only used by fast food delivery cyclists and their motorised bikes. Again, with little demarkation between where a pedestrian is safe and in danger. A lot of knowledge of good road safety has been ignored and deliberately forgotten by councils for their little vanity schemes, and the new rules are only there to admonish them of responsibility.
As a daily cyclist in London where many other cyclists do mad stuff like filtering on the right and undertaking dangerously - I don't as I lived more than 10 years in Netherlands - in such a situation where I want to make it clear I don't want to go ahead of that car, I'd have pulled over into the middle of the lane behind him so he'd know I was waiting behind him.
@@simonh6371 Moving to the middle would definitely have made his intentions clear. Otherwise I do follow the rules of the road that we've all agreed with other drivers and road users! Sticking to the left etc...
I've never cycled in London, and it's been so long since I visited I can't remember how the cyclists are riding now. I do visit Glasgow and it's getting worse with the delivery cyclist and what are effectively mopeds being driven on pedestrianised areas and narrow pavements instead of the roads. It used to be the odd very fit young person doing the deliveries but their e-bikes have allowed some fairly unfit people to race past pedestrians, and they stick to the pavements!
I always do the same and wait a few cars back so that I'm not undertaking cars right at a junction. That way you're perfectly visible to even the least aware driver. I live in Stockport to the south of Manchester but prefer to head out to Cheshire when i cycle (can't cycle to work, drive a van) but there's an absolutely atrocious shared space system with 2 roundabouts in Poynton, just waiting to get knocked off at the dual roundabouts. For that reason i take massive detours to avoid that area. Serves no purpose whatsoever, dangerous for cyclists and causes massive congestion for cars.
What frightens me the most about these new rules are that if I give way to a pedestrian like I now have to, what's going to happen to me if the car behind doesn't recognise what I'm doing and drives into the back of me? Broken collarbone at best i suspect.
@@johnt9379 It's the not-undertaking that I think is the most important bit when getting up to a junction. Driver is focused upon what's ahead assuming that other drivers will remain behind him - he's the first to go. Cyclists undertaking defeats that. As you do, being sure that you're seen by those overtaking you to get through the junction is key until it is your turn. Undertaking is effectively you not waiting your turn.
I was in Glasgow yesterday where they've got effectively shared spaces off Sauchiehall Street to confuse both motorists and pedestrians. It's an absolute disaster of an area now, especially as one of their goals was to create a cafe culture with bars and restaurants having seating on the pavements too.
If you imagine that you had a pedestrian area, cycling area, wasted area to be tree-lined (that is you can't walk or cycle down this part), and the a road. With the pavement cafes taking over the pedestrian area, pushing pedestrians in to the cycling area where we now have fast food delivery people on what are effectively mopes with their e-bikes racing up and down. Other parts of the pavement were being dug up with a similar effect, pedestrians being forced in to danger and not cordoned off either.
It used to be a busy street before they did this project with shops and people being dropped off either by car, taxi or bus. Yesterday there as hardly any cars or people being dropped off. Just a lot of people walking the length of it, as they always do to get to the centre of Glasgow.
There's a lot of empty units now, and not just retail but food and bars. The council have successfully killed off a lot of business with their "Avenues" project they're inflicting upon the whole of Glasgow.
@@johnt9379 If turning left not a problem, if you keep to the left, I don't do this whole ''occupy the lane to avoid narrow passes'' thing nor do I do filtering. I lived over 10 years in the Netherlands and there when on bike lanes mopeds pass you either overtaking or oncoming with about 10cm clearance between the handlebars and if you're competent it's no problem, so I transfer this to the UK and will even squeeze in under a metre clearance between an oncoming car and myself, every day on my way to work on a street where there are cars parked on both sides. I think the car drivers see I have no problem doing this although of course they may slow down a bit initially.
However if turning to the right I agree that's a risk. Honestly I don't even do that like most cyclists in the UK i.e. act like a car, and ride into the middle of the road to turn right when there is no oncoming traffic from the opposite direction. Instead I'll literally pull in on the left and wait until there is no traffic in either direction before turning right. I've been riding in London for 3 years every day now and had zero close calls. However I believe many UK cyclists would see my everyday experience as ''close calls'', but many I see on the roads are lacking in confidence and competence, or they are overconfident and too aggressive, which irritates car drivers. A shame we don't have a proper cycling infrastructure here like in NL.
Aahh I'm a pedestrian and this makes a lot of sense for how I've been treated by drivers (respectfully) but I would assume to give way to the car rather than the other way round. Definitely something I will remember
after watching this video , you have said different to what i understood was the change in rules , so now i have no idea , think i will pull over a few driving instructors and ask there interpratation on the new rules ,
As a cyclist I always use arm signals when turning and have lights on even in the daytime, I don’t undertake vehicles that are turning and only filter when they’re stationary at traffic lights (only if there’s enough space and is safe to do so). Also I use the correct lane discipline when using roundabouts and use my arm signals whilst using it and signal just before my exit as you would do in a car, there’s so many inexperienced cyclists that don’t educate themselves on the Highway Code.
Unfortunately many cyclists don't that is the main issue making cyclists follow the rules
Ive been doing this for years, just feels rude to stop at the line and block their path when you can’t go anyway.
I'd be surprised if you have actually been doing it for years - it's not just about letting pedestrians cross if you can't go, you have to let anyone that might be waiting cross regardless of whether the road is clear, and when you're turning in as well as emerging from a junction
It does seem like the obvious thing to do, doesn't it.
So this is why I’ve had random people running out right in front of me in the middle of a road wanting to get run over. Let alone a junction? Fantastic
In all instances, as a pedestrian I am not bothered about whatever priorities I may or not have, I will always look out for my safety. It would not be of much comfort to be laid under the wheels of a vehicle and saying with my last breath "but I had priority".
With regard to the L-driver, I remember the words of my father, "watch out for this learner driver, you never know what they are going to do". This was said as he was teaching my brother to drive and wondered why I was laughing my head off in the back seat.