Fox 36 GRIP2 vs. Rockshox Lyrik RC2 - 2019 Fork Comparison
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Let's just get this out of the way first, you cannot go wrong with either of these forks. The suspension technology available these days is nothing short of amazing. These stock All Mountain/ Enduro forks are extremely capable. There is no bad choice between Fox and Rockshox! But there are some distinct differences, that can help you narrow down the fork that might fit your needs the best. We took the time to compile our findings with these two forks in a back to back test, shootout, dual, comparison, versus, whatever you want to call it to help establish where these suspension forks are similar and where they are different. Note that these are 2019 Fox and Rockshox models. Fox coming with the GRIP2 damper and the Rockshox Lyrik coming with the RC2 damper. Enjoy!
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Let's be honest they're both exceptionally good forks, just ride your bike people, stop blaming products for your bad riding
Bro, come over to my house and check out the Sram fail box, it's overflowing. I will never buy Sram again anything ever.
@@dhdoctors no.
@@dhdoctors sram often has shit for engineering but any product will fail with lack of maintinence and once you have enough broken shit you can start rebuilding those broken components. Rockshox and fox still out perform everything else
@@abccanada6248 OOOF ahahaa
Great overview, but was lacking in real world application.
After doing frame by frame analysis and running some numbers, I can conclude the RockShox is the fastest at getting salty comments on Instagram posts.
Eww rockshox
Torque cap adds some "inches", if you can utilise it. It's a tough call though. I agree with what's said elsewhere, RS can be a little easier to home service, but if you're mega-loaded, just go two pairs of Foxes and when one's being serviced, the other one is being ridden😉
I think a solid rule of thumb is...if Sram made, you don't want it. I'm sure their super high end stuff is good...just not so much on the mid-grade or lower stuff.
Johannes Nilsen, the classic tech trap. You do your due diligence, test and analyse things, only to open up a Pandora's Box of deeper confusion. I don't know much, but in your situation, I'd personally go with a Fox 36 over RS. However, from everything you hear about F34's not being so stiff, then in the trail cat., I'd go Pike. Screw everything else, because in my ignorance, it may be so that if you're a home fork servicer, you don't want too many special service tools from too many brands, the costs start to rise. knowing Shimano, one day they'll upset the apple cart and produce an XTR fork and shock combo and we'll have to buy into their maintenance, as well. It can be headache if thought through too much, pick it out of a hat and go ride, bummer if you get a psyched that you've bought the wrong fork. I don't know.
yeah
Finally the review I’ve been waiting for! Well done.
With all those boulder fields you were negotiating, you guys truly are "rock stars!!!" Appreciated and enjoyed the vid, as always. Always considered myself a Rockshox guy, but that Fox is double cool too, hmmmmm. Decisions, decisions....
Just got the fox36 grip2 from you guys!!..😌👍✨thank you for all your help..great video!
I am a Rock Shocks guy so i woud buy the Lyrik. I also prefere not too much adjustment.
I watched this and by the end ......I wanted a yeti
🤣
We all want a yeti. 😎
So... a Fox vote?
I've got a zeb these days, had a 36 before this... I can't tell the fucking difference
@@MrSmoothasf I think it honestly boils down to aesthetics and price mostly these days, as performance is so close you probably need to be a professional racer to even begin to notice a significant difference.
Personally, if price wasn't a factor, I'd get the 38 Factory and pair it with a Transfer Factory dropper and DHX2 shock, because I'm a sucker for matching kit like that (especially if they've all got the Kashima coating).
That said, the Zeb is both better looking (although it'd be nice if it came in Lyrik/Boxxer red) and is slightly cheaper than the 38, so its objectively the better choice.
Thanks WC for all this videos, helps a lot!!!!
What's with the fart at 0:21?
Shit dude come on
Hahaha😂👌
Very cool and informative comparison video. Keep up the great work!
Since they are so similar I would probably go with the Fox just because of that orange color. Love it!
Love the videos. very informative!
Really good comparison! I think I’ll go with the fox ones
Thumbs up for that Interview clip.
I will putting a fox 36 in orange for my new bike build. Nothing wrong with rockshox, I just prefer the look of Fox.
Same. I’m starting a build (two bikes his and hers) this fall. She likes rock shox, I like fox. 🤷🏽♂️ fox 36 with the new float x for me. Lyrik and monarch plus rc3 for her.
im using the lyrik rc2 and it feels great like a coil fork.
Sure, both these forks are great forks, there is no clear winner as both are so evenly matched, however i think purchasing decision will go to which of these brands, before which fork model is easier, more durable (longer service interval) cheaper to mantain. On this count, from what ive experienced, heard, rockshox is the better out of the two
Agreed... from these two just pick the color you like.
that'd basically be my take on it. Otherwise just get black forks and get some custom decals.
If I was to make a money-no-object build, I'd pick the Fox 36 (or possibly 38) for honestly no other reason than it would match my DHX2 shock and Transfer dropper (also, I would absolutely splurge on the Factory versions of both the fork and dropper, purely for that sweet matching Kashima bling).
Were I on more of a budget (which I very much am) I'd personally pick the Rockshox Yari RC, then upgrade the damper and spring to the Lyrik's Charger 2.1, which is technically a vote for the Lyrik. The Yari costs half as much as the Lyrik Ultimate (two thirds of a Lyrik Select), but can then be upgraded to the same internals as the Lyrik Ultimate for the same price as a new Lyrik Select (this is also what I'd do with a Revelation instead of getting a Pike).
You can do something similar with the Fox 36 by buying a Marzocchi Z1 and getting the Grip2 later, but its noticeably less economical than the Yari RC + Charger 2.1 route (which slightly defeats the purpose, unless you're a die-hard Fox fan).
I Just Installed A 150RC Pike On My Rocky and Its AMAZING 😎
I feel like rockshox uses a lot of their travel too easily while fox is a more stiff and solid feel.
I run the new pike and have no complaints. Maybe cause I bought it through worldwide cyclery...hmmm 🤔😉
I love my Pike
Everything I've ever wanted
The RS Torque Cap dropouts are a love hate thing for me. I can't notice any difference on the trail when using a TC hub or just a standard hub..... Off the trail though, the fiddling with the axle when using a non TC hub and installing the wheel makes me want to say colorful things out loud.
very good information....
Im a huge fan of Big Ole' CLICKS!
Do you realize the can of worms you've just opened !!!!!!! Hahaha just kidding these are the best they are very informative!!! Love these video sram vs shimano was also great!!
Thanks for watching and the awesome feedback!
Rock shock performs better because of the new debonair chamber, easier to tune, sexy what more will you want?
I love my custom Fox 36 with 20mm axle :)
Fox factory 36 grip2 are really good forks upgraded from fox Factory 36 fit4 2018.
Can your next video explain all the fox trail forks that are currently out? starting with the Rhythm to the 36 grip. different tech inside and feel.
For Sure! We've already considered it and it's on our list of possible videos in the future!
Hi jeff, or is it Geoff, in the near future I'm doing a custom build on possibly the Yeti SB 130 , can you tell me if the SB 130 could take a 160 fork up front. The reason I ask is I would love the grip 2 fox 36 over the fit4 ,I know the 130 is just that on the rear & 150 upfront, but as you know fox don't do grip 2 at 150 only 160 upwards, it would change the ride characteristics a little I'm thinking but would it ruin the ride , obviously it would change the BB height.
Kind regards Drew ( from UK ) Happy Xmas & have a Fab new year ! 🎉🍺🍹👍🌲🌲🚵🌲🌲🌲🎅
Hey! Thanks for asking, its Jeff. I would say that you could definitely go to 160mm on the front but probably not much more than that. :)
How are the diameters in millimeters of the castings? Is the Lyrik just the same size as it was 2018? Then the fox looks more massive then the Lyrik does.
They're both nice and pretty similar, just rock whatever came with your bike or whatever you can afford....
But I do tend to favor the smooth, super plush Suntour Coil fork over both Fox & Rockshox lmao🤷♂️
you have tied up all the loose ends and I am forced to agree
Suntour coil? Ouch lololol
Suntour, so what you are saying is, you cannot afford the Fox or Rock's lol
The trails looks sick. Where are those trails or is it fight club status?
That trail is called dead cow and is near our shop in Thousand Oaks. :)
When are you going to review the Fork Motion?
I dont use Highspeed Compression at all. I´d rather work with ramp up and then add low speed compression until the fork feels supportive enough.
So, how many clicks of dampening adjustment do I really need? Hate to buy a fork without enough clicks.
What I really want to know is if I can adjust the fork to be really compliant since stock compression dampening on my Pivots is too stiff.
Totally biased, but 36 all day long. That suppleness off the top is unbeatable! Thanks for the great content
Ridden Rockshox's all mylife but depends who am sponsors is?
Thanks, loving the videos. Anyone know of tutorial for removing rockshox decals to install the stealths? I tried, but it just keeps breaking up on me.
They are a pain sometimes but goo gone or iso alcohol and a razor blade are what we use. :)
i have both they great like liricks more down hill and drops fox cross country and endure no compliance
What the heck is up with your grammar? And I doubt that u have both
How does the damping range compare on these two? More specifically, which one has softer compression damping when run fully open?
I think the rockshox is a bit softer but I’m not sure.
If I had the choose I would go for a factory 36
Dyno Sheets Would Be AWESOME
0:21 hahaha always funny 👌🏻
Rockshox 😍
Review of the motion fork plz 😉
So I was hoping that I knew what to buy at the end of this video... but you guys are like Switzerland?! I can't make up my mind. The Lyric is simple, no-nonsense when it comes to adjustability, the fox just looks better..
You got it right! Unfortunately with these two forks there is no one that reigns supreme over the other. They are both phenomenally good products and only have subtle differences. No matter which one you buy I promise you, you'll be happy and have a lot of fun on your bike 😁
Whichever one you can get for less money I would say.
I have no preference to a brand.... but Fox certainly win, as now you can dial your suspension for every part of your ride. Want to pop off small roots and rocks, and soak up big hits and drops, with high/low speed rebound and compression on the fox, you can .... How can fox not win simply for this reason alone :-)
I want to like the Lyrik better because it's a couple hundred more for the Fox on the bike I want but you are right.
Then fuckyou!
if there is a kashima coat on lyrik I'll go with it...but for now i'm dying the looks of fox kashima coat
I would buy the lyric . Had fox before and never felt as plush as rock shox. I have a 2015 pike and it’s still ripping.
Just wondering if the lyric has 100 mm or 110 mm dropouts ?
The new Lyriks are going to have Boost 110mm front axles. :)
I just installed a Near New 2018 Pike RC150 😎 It's AWESOME Very Excellent Fork 😎
The rockshox looks much cleaner in the design. Especially the boxxer red. The fox has the sexy fat 36mm uppers. Depends on what look goes better with the bike.
Is this Yeti's advert? If so then that's so effective because I badly need one of those in any color. 😂
Sigh, was about to pull the trigger on the new Fox 36 but now I'm hesitating and looking at the Lyrik again... Decisions...
Karina ditto!
Get A Lyrik Everyone i know that Has One LOVES Them 😎 I Just Got a Pike 150 ITS SWEET Love IT
Why does no one mention the Fox 36 Grip2 30clicks of HSC instead of 16? Nearly all of them have it. I'm interested in how the reviewer adjusted for this. Also, the stock 160mm fork comes with 1 spacer iirc. Fox told me to remove mine as they found it very common based on 1500 setups at interbike that with the new airspring etc that the top end of travel was ramping up too quickly and rarely/never used. I don't ride ultra hard like the pro here tho. I love my 36 for sure tho and wouldn't get rid of it but it'd be nice if guys were more upfront about the tuning goofiness with the extra clicks and changing documentation from Fox VS their techs on it. (they stay start from Open). Also, no mention of how much sag the guy is running (in the article at least). I'm interested in that as well
The early dampers had the issue of extra clicks, because there wasn't a limiter inside. It should be resolved now.
@@i_eatstyrofoam Fox told me (over the phone and email) there are no plans for a fix. It's fine and still works but it's confusing.
@@vin9976 When reading on forums, people just sent it back and the new damper worked as intended.
@@i_eatstyrofoam not true. I sent mine in. Still has many clicks. TamiJean mtbr Andrew sent his in and still has something like 20 clicks. More as well to go with that. You can call Ed at Fox (lead service tech) and he'll give you the low down. Some people are getting ones that have limited clicks, but it's uncommon at this point.
Interesting info about Fox recommending you remove the spacer. I've been riding a 36 Grip2 160 for almost 2 months now, and I noticed I was only using about 70-75% of travel. I'm a light rider (about 140 w/kit), but I had sag set correctly and was using almost all the travel on my X2 shock. I tried lowering my pressure, but didn't get much of a change. Upon seeing your post, I pulled the spacer, and it has definitely helped. Thanks for the beta!
Which rockshox fork would you compare the suntour raidon xc RL-r to? And what you think about it? I find it pretty insensitive on small bump, is the suntour air chamber wich is not great or is me that can't tune the fork properly?
I really love my Pike and wouldn’t change it for a F0x... however, my bike came with all Sram components and I tried to change brake pads for the first time, and the pistons on the Guide RS are kinda stuck outside and it seems like there s no way to bring them back to their original place... the Reverb dropperpost is also not going that well after only a few months of riding...I m kind of wondering about quality...I didn’t have any problem with the Super deluxe and the Pike , but I m a little worried...
I would head to your local SRAM dealer and tell them about the issues you are experiencing. I am sure they would be happy to help you out. :)
I Just InStalled a 150RC Pike On My Rocky 😎 VERY HAPPY
have you ever done a review of the DVO Onyx sc? V say a fox 36/8?
How do the Lyric RC or RC2 forks behave while climbing since the don't have a lock or firm option??? Isn't ascending a big part of enduro?
Ascending is a factor however having your fork move around a little bit during climbing actually results in no energy lost like it does for the rear suspension. This is why most people on longer travel Forks don't even consider climbing performance at all because descending is where it really makes the biggest difference.
@@WorldwideCyclery Thanks for the answer, this explains a lot. It would ben cool if there would be info on this subject in a review or comparison. At the moment I'm ordering a Canyon Strive equipped with a Lyric RC. I wasn't shore about it because of the lack of lock out compared tot the Fox 36 Rhythm. But now I think I wil go for the full german setup. Thanks
Jeff, I know you had nothing to do with it, but that Yeti was very distracting. 😂
If there very similar then I would go for fox because it looks so much nicer
I kinda thought so .... but bought a Pike RC150 ..... Glad I Did 😎
which is stiffer fox or lyrik..i saw another video comparing the two and says that lyrik is more compliant and not that painful to the grip compared to fox 36 as it feels rigid..tnx
I Just Bought A Pike 150RC AWESOME Fork GLAD I Did 😎
For a 215ish lbs rider, is there a noticeable difference between a Fox 34 or 36? Thanks in advance...
I think you would definitely notice a difference. The 36 is going to feel much more stable for you on rough descents. :)
Yes. I'm 135 lb and I can feel the difference. I don't need a 36, but I still love the stout feel when pushing it. You should get one.
Damn really, I'm at 240 maybe I should consider a 36 lol.
If its a chevy vs ford comparison, which is the chevy...
Kinda depends if u thing Ford or Chevy is on top😂😂
Mountain biking not cars😐
Love my float 36 grip 2! Feels like I'm riding a couch
Is the fox and rockshox both 180mm of travel?
These forks are awesome although there about the price of my entire bike
adjustability might not necessarily be just about clicks, you could have twenty clicks that make no difference or five clicks each with a marked change in performance.
You forgot to add that the Fox stuff makes the cool. Pssst pssst sound that rockshox doesn’t. My favorite set ups are fox rear with a 160mm pike up front.
Fox is fuckyou!
Two out three riders prefer Fox 🦊, your test riders in this video are proof!😜
First rule of Fork Club is: You do not talk about Fork Club
I hate when I'm in a meeting and I need to adjust so bad.... Fox has my back.
Can I have air fork 27.5
even the used one its okay for me☺☺
because I never experience in using air forks
Air forks are great! Nice and light with a ton of adjustability.
Either would be good for me, because my Giant has SR Suntour front shocks, which basically means, I may as well NOT have front shocks!!
Both are great, got lyric on my specialized turbo levo, and fox 36 on merida one sixty m#rida, strange as it seems, lyric just feels better... might be because it’s on an ebike, that´s heavier and more planted, or simply because specialized geometry and whole bike matches better together with lyric than merida does with fox. But again, both are great....
Definitely Loving My Pike 150 AWESOME Fork 😎
If I had to choose between these two forks I would definitely get the DVO Onyx SC.
DVO is garbage.
Nope
Biggest difference is the Lyrik will half in price when its the outgoing model year and the 36 wont.
The Bike of The Morning and this is for a good reason
HodY Mc Sackschweiss and that is...
So is this the lyrik ultimate?
When will the new 2020 come out? The 2019 seems a bit old now
Jakob HP when the year is 2020
Fox all the way
Rock Shox all the way
Rules of fight club
1. You do not talk about fight club
2. You DO NOT talk about fight club
You know the rest...
I wish you did the 36 factory vs the Lyrik ultimate, would have been sick with fox's traditional orange color and rockshox's new candy red on the Lyrik. Both phenomenal products 👌
Ain’t that what’s in the video??
What area is that in the 5:30 - 6:00 ish mark? We’re in the LA area
Hey Jill that is the Thousand Oaks area! Give the shop a call if you want directions to the trail or want someone from the shop to ride with. :)
I think the lyrik falls in-between the 34 and 36 on overall pros vs cons between those 2.
0:21 🤣
The real question I have is, how good these new forks are compared to the previous model? take the RC2 for example, how good is it compared to the RCT3 ?
Good question, we have received a lot of feedback from our customers letting us know that it seems like a big improvement. :)
hum That's good to know, I just bought the Canyon Torque with the RCT3. If they release the 2019 model with the RC2 I might consider returning the bike for the 2019 version then.
The *BLING* factor of Kashima is second to non
I think the sag guide on the rs stanchions looks just as cool. It's like your bike has arm tattoos 😂😂
What's weird is that bike brands put fox forks on their highest tier models, but put rockshox on their lower tier. Even though they are both equally great.
that's not weird at all. first, RS has a wider range of forks. you can't find a $150 Fox fork. second, Fox has a great reputation of reliability that RS didn't have until a few years back, and with that Fox sits at top at price too. Their DH fork is often more sought for DH riders for that fame alone, and they're well known to throw in more dollars for a bike so it makes sense you put whatever is more expensive in the bike you make in top of the lines. RS nowadays has stepped up a lot in terms of reliability, and they're light and service isn't a pain in the ass like Fox are. These days you see lots and lots of bikes with SID, Pike, and Rebas, bikes that won't be less than $3k.
#TeamRockShox
I only have one question. Why do you have Brad Pit as a screensaver?
Which fork do you ride the most?
Right now I have a fork on my Transition Smuggler but I am not loyal to any suspension company and enjoy the progress overall in mountain bike suspension technology. :)
Worldwide Cyclery Is it the Fox 36 that comes as standard spec on the 2019 smuggler, or is it something else?
I think you may have made a typo. I believe most bicycles have “a fork”.
Love your stuff, I have mad respect for what you do. Your videos have taught me quite a lot. Have a good one.
I have a RS Recon Silver, not a high end shock at all, but suits me for the time being. Brad Pitt Fight Club.
Tyler Durden!
Has anyone noticed Fox shocks are noisy? The consistent swishy sound? I find the RS are better on this front.
But the sound is satisfying......
Yeah i like the swishy sound
I want the Formula Selva r
Atta boy Jeff with his side talent of loudest fart something to be proud of
Guys , kashima coating is BS right?
We trust Fox, they are true experts and we know they are not in the market of creating pointless product features. There is a benefit. If there wasn't one then they wouldn't produce it. :)
Always Chevy and Fox over Ford and Rockshox!!! Good info.
What about Ohlins?They are a lot better in my opinion
Guys ı want to buy a sanat cruz v10 do you reccomend?
If you're looking for an epic DH bike then hell yes we recommend the V10!
Worldwide Cyclery thank you so much
How come no “riding shot” clips ever include a nice uphill slog lol.
Can you guys send some shocks please really need
Fox is much better🤟