Hidden Mineshafts on the hills
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- In this video we investigate some hidden mineshaft's in the hills. These old mineshafts belong to the former Mine Tunshill colliery in Rochdale on the outskirts of Manchester and at the foot of the Pennine hills. The mine is now disused. But the old shafts are still in place. In this urbex we lower a camera into the old mineshaft. We used a go pro mounted onto a homemade device. Looking into the shaft we got a wonderful glimpse into the history of mining. The former Lancashire coal field was once a busy and productive coalfield in the Victorian era but now stands silent. As a bonus in this video we take a look at some old victorian architecture in the form of some underground hidden bunkers.
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The miners son 'sounded' the roof when they noticed the trickle of water. They used to tap the rock/coal and could tell from the resonance of the tapping whether the rock/coal was sound. They had to listen carefully. There is an old geordie miners song which says, ' rap the bank me bonnie lads, hear that coal face working. there's many a marrer(mate) missin' lads because he woldn't listen.'
Similar to what the water board do when checking pipes with a stick ,not sure what its proper name is though .it checks for leaks by the sound .
Yeah I guessed it may have been that Tom
@@geoffdecorator1701 I think they call it "sounding". You can do it with big machinery, hear internal noises by using a long screwdriver, tip on the equipment (gearbox case for example) and handle of screwdriver to your cheekboneor near your ear. Carefull - it can be bloody loud. You can hear different noises like bearing whine, grinding, tapping etc all can indicate different faults if you know what you are listening to.
I've done it on diesel engine injectors to find the faulty one.
In mines, a dull sound, instead of an echoing sound, as you progress through an area indicates the sound is being absorbed by movement in the rockface - basically, loose rock, so a "dull" area is a dangerous area. You can make regular checks by clapping as you walk along.
Similar to 'wheel-tapping' on railway rolling stock I suppose?
@@stationsixtyseven67 Wheel tapping works on the resonance principle - a good wheel will ring like a bell, but a wheel with a crack in it sounds dull. So it's just like tapping the roof of a mine drift (tunnel) to see if has cracks/voids in it by the dull sound it makes
The stonework in those cellars looks fantastic - really well constructed...
Yeah they a bloody ancient as well
@@MartinZero Those corners are laser straight, absolutely amazing craftmanship thats stood the test of time and weather!.
@@MartinZero Don't you think that the stonework was too well built to be a simple storage area? I also noticed that the stone stairs showed little signs of wear so maybe they weren't used very much or if they were it was over a relatively short period of time. Intriguing to say the least. Fascinating video Martin, thanks.
Stone lasts forever. It doesn't crack or flake off.
As a bricklayer myself I had to compliment the quality of the stone and those nice sharp straight corners.
The brickwork and arches on the Binns are absolutely stunning,quality craftsmanship.
Yeah great arent they Andy
@@MartinZero.
The straight face and info-graphic "I call it COC ROVER',,, priceless....
Don't worry about having problems with your COC shaft. It's just one of the things you have to deal with as you get older.
😂😂😂
I believe something like 150,000 men women and children have lost their lives down coal mines in this country !. The wife and I have been down the Big Pit in Wales a couple of times, which gave us a tiny hint of the horrible conditions of the miners. Take my hat off to all of them ....Good video again. Happy and healthy new year to all.
Thanks Roger, Happy new year
I didn't know that place existed, I'll be booking my next holiday when this covid is over
Seeing you 3 walking along the lane makes me think of. The last of the summer wine 😂
Lol or the Vic and Bob parody sketch 3 men in a bath lol....
Precisely what I thought; a few bars of the theme tune would have been perfect but, probably, very costly.
Which one is Compo eh?
Lowering COC into the shaft 😂 did make me chuckle. Great video!
Gotta be done Stuart
100 years from now some urban explorer will be posting a video on CZcams's successor showing how he discovered an ancient lighting device at the bottom of the shaft! 🙂
That will probably happen Ian
you always have to be careful dropping loose things down mineshafts in case Frank from the Exploring Abandoned Mines channel is down there.
@@gordslater spot on dude
Victorians never gave old shafts much thought still collapsing in Stoke with 270 years of mining history. Try two ropes walk over from either side. Loved it when Fred Dibnah dug one in his back garden!!!
Yup they start with a ring the diameter of the shaft they want to sink and just dig it out and lay bricks around the ring and it sinks as the hole gets deeper. Simple yet ingenious!
Whereabouts in Stoke?
@@curtis8516 Tunstall Park most recent. Remember one in Packmoor in the late 70s.
@@andrewwilshaw3022 nice, will have a Google now
Martin, there is a dead simple thing you can build for shots like the camera drop that will stop the camera spinning. I came up with it when I had to survey a 500 meter deep shaft since I needed to know that the collar was sound before lowering myself into it.
I can send you a drawing for it if you wish.
Anyhoos, I hope that there will be an upcoming series about the river Irk, I have an irk for Irk...
Yes send the drawing Carl cheers. Irk...? Maybe bits of it
@@MartinZero I am sending it via Facebook. Looking forward to the Irk parts. :)
just look at how people help each other shame the world as a whole cant take note
@@MartinZero As a side note have you ever approached any of the shop or office owners on or around Tib St to see if there is any cellar access to the Tib? Might be worth a shot.
Hi Martin. You should use Para cord or Mower pull start cord instead of rope. They are both braided, not twisted like rope and so won't spin. You would be able to make the whole contraption much smaller.
Happy New Year.
Thats interesting thanks
how about a string from both sides 2 lowering,no need to chuck it in,would need to practice.
@@lawrenceflanagan5037 Yes, I was going to suggest the same idea.
Martin and James fascinating once again with thanks to John. You and James have to go back and find out what's at the bottom of the shaft now you're armed with all the helpful tips of how to get COC Rover in and out.
Love what you do Martin but if I can suggest.. You just need two ropes - maybe just a hand's breadth apart - instead of one and then your camera won't spin. You can also hand one rope to a mate on the other side of the shaft to pull the rig to the middle over the hole. Hope that makes sense. Atb. Gillian.
Cheers Gillian
That was my thought. Maybe 3 ropes and 3 people forming a triangle.
Maybe long poles with hooks on the ends might also help place it and pull it out . Keep innovating like they did with the structures you're exploring . Nice .
Just what I wanted to suggest @gillywild ... thus you have more control to get it in and and out - and may be even inside the shaft.
I was going to suggest the same
I'm proud to be British when it comes to discovering these long forgotten gems. Great find the storage cellar the walls were so flush and arch ceiling were perfectly rounded off. The scenery is beautiful also. Yeah great find 👍
Thanks, yes those cellars were very well built
@@MartinZero And the risks they took even at a very young age. Including the railways which are truly remarkable to look at. I live in Rugby I go down the Great Central Railway quite often. The platform is in very good condition. And as you approach Onley the view is beautiful to look at. See for miles. Anyway take care 🚂
Stonework is magnificent, another great video.
"COC" operating near "Dick Hill" too - Carry on Lancashire :) eh up!
😃😃😃👍
All those shafts 😂
and a shaft
You need a smaller coc try putting a weight on the end to act as a plumb Bob to stabilise it.
and Benny Hill further on. fnarr.
Marvellous footage Martin, I am stuck at home with lurgy and that has really cheered me up, thanks guys
Cheers Sean, get well soon
Wow Martin that was just fantastic. The brickwork in that shaft was fabulous. Now those cellars had the most fantastic stonework. All in all I just loved that. Thanks so much for taking me along and please stay safe and take care
'Where man fears to tread'! Good to see 'The Rover' back in action again. (Shame it lost a light though.) Thank you Martin, James and John.
Absolutely fascinated by this, so much interesting stuff up north from our industrial past. Stay safe mate from essex
Thanks very much Paul
video of the week for me seeing the binns and how well there built .
Yes amazing gem
That was great Martin and friends
Thank you as always 🌟🌹🙏
Very very interesting part of local history. Love your videos and James smiling face
Thank you Marie
You need some kind of long handled prong, hook or grabbing tool to get hold of Coc Cam once it's back up. Got to be called Coc Grabber haha. Great video BTW 👍
Thank you
Try making a loop in another line several inches wide. Pass COCrover's line through it and walk the end of the looped line to the opposite side. You can then move it round a fair bit ;0)
@@totherarf easier to get a seat off an old swing, sit Danny on lower him down ( gently ) with a cable taped to head via old tennis swear band and pencil and sketch book.
@@craigja1667Fair point, well made!
Like a telescopic boat hook?
just a thought....
two or three ropes. 1 each side, also telescopic roach pole to hook the board over the hole., when back at the top, lower one rope and angle it thru the hole.
Yeah will do that next time cheers
Nice try though. Great work.
I was thinking the same. Would stop the spinning too.
@@bernardfender5147 Me too, but I am not that confident regarding the spinning. Might work well for the first couple of feet. But I also might be wrong.
@@schubser3327 hiya, two ropes, actually something like paracord would be even better as it isn't wrapped, attached at two ends of COC BOT(!) should stop spinning for quite a bit I reckon, if you keep the ropes apart anyway
Awesome!! Well done Martin James and John.
Keep up the good work. Love your informative videos especially the one's in and around Manchester and Rochdale areas.
Tip for the rover, mark your rope with paint at metre intervals and count as you go, you'll then know the depth 👌
Good idea Kyle
@@MartinZero Maybe put a third wheel at the back to stop it tipping when you are lowering down a wall.
3 ropes would make it easier to load into the hole and might help reduce spin, and a reverse view camera would give concept of depth. ;)
Cheers John
Next time mark the rope in meters or summat .. .. ..
Excellent video, Martin. One of your best. Great way to start 2021. Many thanks to all who made it. It's appreciated.
Brilliant result Martin....!!
Fantastic martin! The footage of the camera going down the shaft was amazing, it seemed never ending. Hope 2021 is a great year for team zero and your explorations. 🔴🟡🟢
Thanks Ruth, I wish we had seen the bottom
the slowly revolving descent into shaft reminds me of the Disney film 'The Black hole', I could hear the theme music playing in my mind as I was watching!
I like it Mrs Bloo
Or the 'Time Tunnel'
Great start to the new year with that top notch stonework-have a supreme 2021 Martin and stay safe...
Thanks very much Matt
Very interesting again Martin. Many thanks.
The entrance to that cellar reminded me of the old underground brickwork kilns in Welwyn Garden City. Mind you when I saw those, was probably 64 years ago. All buried under an industrial estate now.
Thats a shame
That light took about 4-5 seconds to hit the bottom, which means the shaft could have been around 300-400 feet deep
I threw a boulder down it probably weighed about 8kg and that took 5 seconds to hit the bottom . These shafts are scary deep.
Interesting Arthur
It bounced off the walls a lot though, which slows it down considerably It really kills the acceleration which is 0.5*9.8*seconds _squared (in metres) . The squared is the bit that gets affected by bouncing, keeping the speed lower than you might first think. 5 seconds freefall is 125 metres, so yeah 400 foot or so for pure freefall.
With the bouncing I think maybe 50 metres approx, so 150ft or more. Might be less, especially if it bounced on a small ledge and killed the speed a lot.
I've done this sort of thing down inside the leg of an offshore oil rig with a camera system doing an inspection, so I've spent far more time than a sane person would estimating bouncing speeds and stupid stuff like that. We couldn't find a long enough rope to measure the drop so we finished in the pub and just made the dimensions up for the report. (leg was filled with concrete as ballast and it had been partly blasted out and removed as rubble as it was scrapped, then the job was halted without any documentation)
@@gordslater managed to get one down without any bounce of the shaft . Not been back there since. It scared the crap out of me how deep they was.
@@pikeonatrike did it make a bang or a splash?
Another fascinating video. Thanks Martin!
Thanks Michelle
Thanks for sharing that wonderful history!
Happy New Year Martin and Team Zero.
Thanks very much Happy new year
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOR TOMORROW MATE...... CHEERS :).... oh and happy new year Martin.
Thank you. You remembered 😃👍
Absolutely fantastic. Your footage and commentary was brilliant. Well done and thank you. You are very brave.
Enjoyable video 👍 loved the way you showed your respects to those poor souls who lost their lives. A number of years ago my partner went on a tour of a working mine Whitwick in Leicestershire just before it was shut down. It was something he will never forget and would never do again but has the utmost respect for those who have and those who do!
Yeah what a way to die Helen
Still struggle watching these. Love what you’re doing it just makes me sad I can’t go myself. With my girl.
Cheers glad you enjoyed
Hi Martin. Sod's law, I wrote a long comment on this last night and it doesn't appear to have posted! I shall try again, but with something shorter.
First off, for anyone thinking that they would like to try getting down yon hole, remember the gasses down there! They will kill you stone dead within minutes if any are present. The winter months are especially dangerous.
I am guessing that the entire hillside is very wet and that Tunshill pit would have been no exception, but I think that I can explain why you encountered no water down there. Lower down the hill is Butterworth Hall, the hamlet that you mention in the video, and there was once a mine there. Not all mine water is polluted and the water from this pit is pumped to a reservoir by United Utilities. You can visit the site and clearly see the concrete shafts, complete with access trapdoors, over the shafts. I remember thinking that the shafts were very close together. That is why, I presume, Tunshill is dry. It made sense to use a lower mines as a plug hole for ones higher up a hill. With clever engineering you could drain several shafts and many 'levels' from one point. I still wouldn't like to be down there in a thunderstorm!
Part of the site of the Butterworth Hall colliery has been taken over by an engineering firm. I can't remember the details because it was a few years ago that I visited, but I think that some of the colliery buildings are still there and in use. In the office reception they have some photographs, including one of the inside of the pumping house with the engine there.
Between Butterworth and Tunshill there was a railway of sorts. You can see it on old OS maps and the course can be clearly traced on Google Earth. About a third up the hill there will coking ovens.
If you want to explore more in the area, I think that the woods up against the west side of Ogden reservoir might be particularly interesting. There are numerous old shafts in the area, many of which are recorded as 'untreated', so I am guessing that they have the same minimal protection that you found at Tunshill. Unfortunately, no depth seems to have been recorded for many of the pits in the area, but they seem to have been about 3 metres in diameter.
This is fascinating, Brian 😮
Another great explore. The drone footage, along with the old maps, really helps set the scene.
Thanks Phil, I never knew there were mines up there
Great video and some intresting hidden finds
I was waiting to see if there was a beam of light up into night sky after the light fell off,
Wonderful episode again.
I now have a certain Dead or Alive track playing in my head. ;)
Is it one of the 37 re mixes
@@MartinZero one of them.
The 96 remix.
NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stuck in my head now......Arghhhhhhhhh..............
Oh lord, please no. You realise it was the background music for a "shock site" (that also had *ahem* "COC" overtones), don't you?
Next time have another rope attached and take it around other side of the hole. This will help insert/extract it by centering over the hole with a second person handling the line over there. It will also help reduce spinning to a certain extent on the way down.
Much better would be to install a pulley on the crawler.Mmake it into a long triangular frame shape - look at a car trailer nose - the long smooth triangle frame shape will help clear obstacles on the way up and make it more stable on the way down. Mount the pully at the top of the triangle, where the trailer hitch would be.
You'll need at least a 3 or 4 inch pulley for best effect - smaller may snag. Make sure pulley is enclosed at either side (so you have to thread thread the rope around it by poking it through, making it impossible for the rope to come off the side and the crawler fall off)
A smaller diameter pulley will just drive you crazy - trust me.
This will reduce spinning further especially if it is a large pulley diameter. You could then tie far side rope off to a fencepost and lower/raise only from one side. You'd need twice the length of rope of course.
Regarding the depth - hard to tell with the light bouncing of the walls on the way down but a freefall drop of 1 second would be 5 metres, 2 seconds would be about 20 metres, 3 seconds about 45 metres, 4 second about 80 metres, 5 seconds about 125 metres.
Use the simplified formula 5 x (number of seconds, squared) eg: 8 seconds freefall drop, distance is 5 x 8x8 = 320metres
So, my guess is somewhere between 20 and 60 metres for your shaft when the light fell. seemed to be 4 seconds but it was bouncing off the side which slows the accelaration down a lot (coz of the 'squared' bit in the equation, innit)
Thanks Gord
@@MartinZero also, just like the triangular shape of a trailer hitch will help prevent snagging, any protrusions (light brackets, camera brackets) would benefit from having a long smooth triangle shape at the rear of them to prevent snagging. I suspect the light was caught on the lip of the shaft and got knocked off. If you had a triangular frame (just a bit of 1x1 or 1x2" wood will do) bolted on the upper side of the crawler rising up to the lamp backet, it would have just slip up the triangle rail and not got caught.
So rather than a simple flat, two-dimensional car trailer, think of a car trailer base with a horsebox mounted on it. What you want is an extra triangular rail from the hitch point (where the pulley is) to the top front of the pointy-tallest bit of the horsebox roof, so that, if you lowered a horsebox down a mineshaft, the roof of the horsebox wouldn't catch on the lip[ when you pull it back out.
Any other protrusions need a similar triangular rail to help slide and not get caught.
If you build this, test it by pulling it around the corners and angles of your house on the floor. If it snags on the door frames or walls, you need more triangular shapes to make it smooth to pull around the corners.
Flippin eck, shapes are hard to describe in CZcams comments haha.
Happy new year Martin. Another one of your great videos is a terrific way to start off.
Thanks Brian
Another cracking video thanks Martin. Happy new year everyone.
Happy new year Neil
Great video Martin! Enjoyed watching that. Will meet up soon mate
Loved the video, Martin.... Sheer escapism ..Very Wellcome too , in these turbulent times x
Well done Martin, Great video & Happy new year, Thanks.
Brilliant! against the odds you did it! Thankyou for sharing!
Another great and interesting video!!!
Another superb video. Great work guys.
Thanks Rusty
Another great video Martin thumbs up
Thanks Matthew
Another great vid. Well done guys.
Thanks Xian
Thanks Martin that was fantastic, those people that mined coal in those places were absolute heroes. What strange old places the little cellars were up in the moors, unbelievable really. Happy New Year. Take care and all the best. Stevie
Thanks Stevie, happy new year
Brilliant as always, it's terrifying to think that open shafts are left in that state, grateful you explained the dangers, most people wouldn't have a clue. Loved the tribute to the lost miners at the end. 👍
Happy New year Martin, please keep your vlogs coming and stay safe I look forward to watching your vlogs on Sundays
Thanks Graeme
Brilliant. My uncle has walked that land for years and can tell some great stories of the history
excellent video martin your videos make my sundays better as sundays are quiet days for me.
Thanks very much Tom
Nice video Martin, what a find those old cellars. Keep Safe.
Yeah never seen anything like em Chris
Hi Martin, enjoyed your videos of Manchester history.
Being a Mancunian by birth it’s amazing how Manchester has changed since 1959
I have thoroughly enjoyed watching your exploring throughout the two lockdowns.
Superb videos😁👍 please keep them coming
Brilliant, as always, Martin.
Very “Heath Robinson”.
Thats the spirit of it Christine and thank you
Great vid, Martin, well done! Fish and chips with curry sauce! Good lad, James!
Yep I was torn between curry and gravy
You guys are great. Thank you
Thank you Mr Ginger Bread
Martin & James. Hap Hap HAPPY NEW YEAR. Boy the stone work in those rooms kinda underground was awesome. I marvel at the fitting of each stone. Enjoyed. Thank You
Great effort there team you never let us down , Cocs and shafts thought i clicked the wrong channel for a min .
Yet another great video to start the year thanks Martin and a very Happy New Year to you and the boys hope you had a good Christmas under the covet problem
Great achievement given the difficulties. The slowed down rotation gave it that Hubble telescope type view.
What an abyss. These places really were hazardous. Tense stuff, Martin. Great telly, as usual. 🇯🇪
As usual very fascinating. Happy new year Martin. X
Thanks Joan, Happy new Year
Thank you for another lovely video, I was brought up in Manchester so I know a lot of the places in your films.
Thanks Helen glad you enjoyed
Thank you Martin for nice video see you next week
Thanks Steffen
I just subscribed to your channel. Your videos are great!
Thanks very much for the sub Philip
Great video Martin 😎
This craftsmanship is rarely seen these days 😃🍻👍🏻
Great video, I left a thumb! Until the next video, thanks! Greetings from Germany
Just catching on some of your videos. They certainly were great builders way back then. The stonework looks as if it will last a few more hundred years! It is unbelievable the shaft was not capped off. You can imagine some idiot trying to get a better look and never seen again............. So glad you all were sensible to be cautious. Great video guys.
Great stuff Martin, it's frightening there are shafts like that all over the place.
Yeah I reckon there are loads
Great video happy New Year Martin all the best for 2021keep the video rolling and keep safe 👍
Thank you Happy new year
Fascinating insights. A tribute to those that passed doing hard graft in horrific conditions. Thanks yet again for sharing, beats Eastenders hands down.
Anything beats eastenders.
Cheers Martin, Great Video 😊👍
Thanks Matt
Great video again, very informative, especially love the mines on the moors. A nice touch and respectful of you mentioning the gentlemen who died that day. I think there is that fascination and curiousity with deep dark holes that we are drawn towards. I hail from Darwen, lots of moorland and countryside and many mineshafts and old workings that scar the moors dotted round our tower (Jubilee Tower) would love to see what old mines and stories we have from them moors. As the rhyme goes..."From the hills so bleak and barren lies the town of dirty darren" (Darwen). All the best.
Amazing work ,more mineshafts please
How did you keep a straight facing saying "Coc Rover?" Hilarious
Great work guys.
Thanks very much Jonathan
Wow, very cool. I really liked those cellars.
Good werent they Carl
Enjoyed this one as all ways.
Thanks Bob
Yes yes yes another great video I love it when I get a notification saying Martin Zero has uploaded
Great vid Mart, those storage cellars were awesome! The brickwork was immaculate - the arches and the doorways - Wow! Amazing views at the end too!
James is a fab part of these vids too! James new word - Ambiance, lol
Cheers Marc 😀
Martin, you just keep producing quality. I cant put my finger on why, exactly, but its one of your best. It has to be something to do with inserting COC down the long shaft.
A double-entendre worthy of any Carry On film.
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Interesting Martin, enjoyed watching 😊
Thanks Sue
The return of COC rover ! Love it !
Indeed it is always good to be careful with a Mineshafts.
The drone provides a good overview.
A deep Mineshaft.
I often go mountain biking up there and have been past that shaft many times so thanks for the video!
Thanks Andrew, its a nice walk and cycle I bet
Happy new year to you Martin and another great and interesting video 👍Great engineering too👍👍
Thanks Jay, yes fascinating find