Is Toyota Quality Slipping? 2023 Camry XSE V6 Fit & Finish Issues
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- WTF Toyota? Fit and finish is looking like SH*T!
#toyota #camry #review #quality #issues #2023
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Plus the door molding sticks out!
It does!
Plus the front door pillars stick out! I have noticed this on a lot of Camry’s when I rented some! It is like Toyota is LITERALLY Trying to be Like Tesla like some other Car Companies, in a Twilight Zone kinda way; Down to the Flat Screen Awkwardly sticking out of the Dash instead of inside it?!!!!!!😮
Agreed - it’s overall disappointing
I had a 2023 XSE V6 for 6 months and had none of the issues you mentioned. Traded for a 2024 XSE V6 2 weeks ago. Same thing no issues that you mentioned. No rattles. I traded for a different exterior and interior color and this is the last year of the V6. Of course the car is not perfect but for just 40K it is very nicely screwed together. Better than my 2017 Honda V6. I would agree that the glass roof seals could be better.
Thanks for this!!
I started noticing the creaks and rattles around the 8-9 month mark. Brand new off the boat. If you trader every 6 months you should have nothing to worry about though
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The 2023 was the last year of the Camry v6 ?
No 2024 is the last year of the Camry V6.@@mattyicee27
As you know I have the TRD so no front camera and no sunroof. The only one of these items I notices is the little pillar next to the gauges is so wimpy as you showed. I thought I broke it off one time when I bumped it because it is so wobbly. Is the quality what it used to be? I don't think so. I have 3 Toyota's in the driveway. I think they have rest on their laurels a little too much. I saw the slip during the plandemic when they decided to let some things slide. Hopefully they will come back around and get back where they were. With all that said I still think they and Honda are way on the top of the heap. Back to my TRD I have overall been very pleased with the quality so far. I'm only 5 months and 9k miles in. So, it's early.
Good analysis - agreed!!
My 2022 XSE center console is just like that! I noticed it after I took delivery. It has never really bothered me but I had the panoramic moonroof weatherstrip replaced at the dealer a week ago which is a common problem My car only has 26k miles.
Some weird issues for sure. Seems like I should replace that weatherstrip
@@GuysTalkingCarsfortunately replacing the strip is very simple. Before it used to be a huge job but Toyota wised up and made the weather strip as a stand alone part
Wow, We have a 23 camry xse 4cly we have none of these issues at all maybe it’s just yours? We have had our car for over a year almost and our door sills haven’t gotten that dirty, sunroof is fine, nothing is loose it’s perfect, sometimes I hear some random rattles but they go away that’s the only problem though.
Thanks for weighing in - these issues are definitely a bit concerning!!
@@GuysTalkingCars do you have rattles as well, that go away and come back? That’s the only thing I’ve noticed it’s very annoying lol.
@@noahh1997 yes. Mine come mainly from the roof areas. Also the back deck rattled and stuffed foam back there to solve that. Kinda lame
@@GuysTalkingCars same! For the roof areas
There's a common issue with a "Rattle" noise from the speakers in the back...I've noticed the moonroof but as others say it's common. Doesn't make it fine, just saying it's well known. I'll have to go over mine when I get home as mine is a 2k23 xse as well.
Maybe the Pandemic had something to do with the assembly! It is like people are learning how to work again?!
Maybe !
Toyota is not slipping. Toyota has been caught up to. Twenty years ago, toyota had unmatched build quality in the segment. Now? Everyone has topnotch build quality. Even some of the low entry manufacturers like Kia, Hyundai, and frankly some of the American makes, all have premium initial build quality.
And quite frankly, most manufacturers now ALSO have superb reliability.
It's just the reality of automotives now. Even if a toyota can outlast other cars, nowadays that's a moot point. Nobody cares anymore. Times have changed. You dont need a car to carry you for 250,000 miles. You now just need a car to feel good, look good, drive well, and be good enough for 5 years. Nobody drives a car for 15 years anymore.
And IF you still do want to keep a car that long, these new japanese cars just wont do it. They have a new business model, which is to sell you a car every 5 years. Like everyone else.
That’s definitely one way to view it! Thanks for jumping in with the perspective
Best comment on the video!
Built for obsolescence is true in just about anything from dishwashers to TVs to vacuum cleaners.
I Guess the Price You Pay for a Car that can supposedly last over 400,000 miles! Toyota has to cut cost somehow to maintain Reliability?!
Good ol American made. I dont have those prob but the rubber strips on the sun roof. Wish these cars where made in Japan.
Did you forget these new modern cars are made to last 10 years at most. My 2007 Toyota Camry CE is 16 years old, I don't notice any defects, because I had a new paint job done. Plus I keep it clean, everything is in good condition no gaps 281,000kms 5 Speed Manual Transmission. I don't have a bunch of useless sensors my Camry is old school and simple, that's the way I like my cars. My Camry will also outlive your Camry, cause everything is dated from the engine to the Interior to the Exterior.
I have a 22 Camry SE, and I've noticed some of the same things. It just feels cheap inside the plastics they use are cheap they Bend and are creaky when you touch them. Toyota is slipping on their fit and finish. I think Toyota puts all their money in their drivetrain and suspension, and that's why I bought the car, but it is a little disappointing on the fit and finish of the vehicle.
Well said totally agree 💯 thanks !!
Hes gonna make a lot of cmary owners OCD. 🤣 I dont even own one but am thinking about getting one this year before it all goes hybrid next year and hes making me OCD.
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Thats why i bought the 2023 v6 cause i dident want hybrid or turbos.
Solution:Buy the Lexus made in Japan!
Made in japan no longer helps
The rav4 prime and bz4x are made in japan yet they have issues
The r4p has the cablegate corrosion and the bz4x wheels literally fall off
Maybe u should have checked the car better before buying. You make the time
Lol 🤓
American Made always not as good as Japan built ones. Need more training/new mgmt
Your are correct, Toyota fails on all the minor details. So much snap into place parts and the fitting is typically off and gappy. Please note that Honda does the same thing. Okay, White shows all the filth. Plastic molding warps and Toyota does not use high quality plastics to start with. Remember, snap into place assembly while other areas use plastic bolts, or something less sophisticated, you name it, CHEAP AS MUCH AS TOYOTA CAN BE without their vehicles falling apart while driving it on the road. Please compare with your brother's Dodge Challenger R/T. I really like my 2023 Camry XSE fully loaded with all 3 main packages. Since January 19, 2023 I have 5,039 miles and constantly notice more noises and other things not functioning 100 percent including Toyota Safety Sense 2.5 Plus. The smallest of road debris can put small chips into your body paint job. A month ago, a guy mowing my yard with his riding mower flung a very small piece of asphalt from the driveway hit near the rear license plate and I have a paint chip of 2/8th in diameter. Making a right turn often hear a single knock or clunk in the drivers door, its not the window, courtesy door light, seat belt as I am wearing it, JBL speaker does not move, just a weird clunk noise. I can open and shut my driver door but no clunk. It is creepy like your overhead liner on the passenger side creaks. When backing up there is no object or person behind me, but 1 out of 20 to 30 times when backing up get a Person Icon warning. Okay! City 15.6 MPG, average 20.9mpg, and highway 28.5mpg always driving in Normal, hate Eco and Sport does absolutely nothing. Rough estimate 58% City and 42% Highway. Yes! I get terrible gas mileage. When they say things should not rust, remove the underbody/undercarriage panels, there is spots of rust, then most of it surrounds the bolted flanges of the exhaust system and in the front suspension, also behind or near the brake calipers. Toyota reliability and quality in workmanship has dwindled in the last decade or since the 2009 Great Depression II. The door jams and door seal, on a windy day you can really hear the wind in the cabin. JBL Sound System scores a 3.5 is far from Premium because it is not as you are paying for the brand name. The Lexus Mark Levinson is kind of Premium at score of 5 out of 10, but Lexus Premium scores a 3.8 is not premium only slightly better than the JBL. Go sit in a Rolls-Royce Cullinan now that is a rock solid 10 score sound system. My leatherette or faux leather or Softex seats have wrinkles at the Bolstering sections, does yours? I got my Key FOB programmed (via Camry ECM settings using TechStream software) at the dealer at no-cost so the windows can roll down. Last, the Toyota App, really like the most is the Remote Connect unfortunately only 1 year free subscription afterwards $80 per year. What a rip off the Toyota App subscriptions are. Sorry, Toyota appears to make things worse instead of better these days.
Have you seen the Crown the Clown? The 9th Gen 2025 Camry at the Detroit and LA Auto Shows makes me sick, Toyota has devastated and ruin the Camry. Then again, I am anti-Hybrid and anti-EV.
Yeah! the 2025 front fascia is really bad and the rear taillights got it all wrong. The use of Faux Leather in the Interior Door and Dashboard Liner is ugly, then extending the Piano Black plastic, those odd shaped bottle holders in the center console, the steering wheel ... just saying the interior design is a disaster. I do like the full digital instrument cluster, somewhat better functional Infotainment Head Unit. I hope Safety Sense 3.0 worked out the bugs of 2.5 Plus. Would I recommend the new 2025 Camry to anyone, No! same for the Crown is a Clown. The Toyota Corolla is a pathetic vehicle apparently there are people who will buy it, like those who want the Chevy Cruze and cruisin for a bruisin. At least it is not a YuGo or Pacer or the PT Cruiser. It is sad that Toyota is manufacturing less desirable vehicles that are both built cheap and becoming more unreliable with a higher price tag.
Yes on leather seats I have same
Thing. 💯 agree with all your analysis. I get the same ghost 👻 thing in the backup camera - that is so weird! Have all the same impressions and issues you lay out - well said.
@@GuysTalkingCars I appreciate that you agree with my comments but it is okay to disagree as some people beg to differ. I'm not always right!
My father told me this "I thought I was wrong once only to find out I was right."
next was: "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can not please all the people all of the time."
also: "the world is like a ball of shit and each day you take a bite of it."
My father died on my birthday last year on Nov. 28, 2022, I had turned 62 and he was 83 at the time of his death.
I do miss the old guy, my father helped me through some difficult times, then in 2015 it was my turn to help him.
He died in his sleep during the evening just after 9pm at his home and he did not suffer. He surpassed his father (73) and both his grandfathers age of death (77 and 79) in spite of contracting polio at age 13 in Nov. 1952 and recovered in May 1953, as a construction carpenter (joined the carpenters union in 1961) had a plank fell off a scaffold hit him in the shoulder in 1988, he had become disabled and not able to perform work as a carpenter due to reduced strength and movement limitations to his dominant right arm, and double bypass heart surgery in 1992, then hematoma surgery on his left leg in 2015 in which from then on my father's health kept dwindling as he was on oxygen.
Okay! sorry about that. My father meant a lot to myself, family, and others. Certain its the same for most people when someone they are close to dies.
Automobiles can be replaced but sadly in todays society and economic unstable world, it is financially tough. We're not made of money LOL.
Now where is that Cash Cow or Money Tree !!!
Advancement in Technology is not necessarily progress, there is a learning curve and a bunch of unknown factors that may result in consequences rather than being helpful.
Science, Innovation/inventor, Experimentation, and more does not mean all will be fine but if we don't try how will we ever know what or what does not work or that we'll reap benefits from. We really do not fail, the results just was not what we expected, so we keep trying until we are successful. "Please define Success".
Cars are the same, got some good one and bad ones. Nothing stays the same, no 2 people are exactly alike, then cars are only as good as the people who design, engineer, and put them together. No guarantees in life. Hope for the best and do your best.
The Toyota Company on the other hand is too big for its britches and people do what they do best, look for the easy, simple, and lazy way out ... no such thing as a short-cut. A job is not worth doing if you cannot do it right the first time. Toyota pushes out numbers "quantity" and this is where "Quality" becomes less so or hindered. No time, push it along, it will be someone else problem.
Enjoy Life! cannot go around worrying about everything. You can't fix everyone's problems especially when there are over 8 Billion human inhabitants on this planet Earth.
Thank you for your delightful CZcams videos about cars. So true "Guys-Talking-Cars". Happy Holidays to all, stay healthy and be safe.
@@richscott2483 thanks for your comments. Happy birthday and so sorry for the loss of your father. We lost our father May 11, 2020 and we miss him every day. We started this channel because of him. He was 77. Appreciate your support and happy holidays 🎄
@@GuysTalkingCars Hi! it appears that the Camry XSE V6 is your daily driver vehicle. What other cars do you currently own or what was your previous car? Most people know the Camry been around for a long time, considered reliable, and thee best selling mid-size sedan for 22 years. I would like to know what influenced you to buy a Camry (foreign brand) rather than an American brand? listing of my past vehicles 1975 Dodge Dart "resembled Chevy Nova" with slant V6, 1978 Alfa Romeo Veloce Spider, 1982 Mustang GT 5.0L 302 Boss V8 with T-Top bought new, 1995 Ford Taurus, 1996 Ford Contour, 1999 Ford Windstar, 1983 Plymouth Reliant wagon, 1993 Pontiac LeMans, 2008 Dodge Caliber, Pontiac Firebird, Buick Century, 2009 Hyundai Sonata V6, 2011 Honda Civic - CPO, 2018 Toyota RAV4 Limited AWD - CPO, presently have 2022 Honda Civic Touring new for wife and I drive a new 2023 Camry XSE V6. I'm missing 1 cars ... know I have owned 17 cars total. Only 3 were ever new otherwise Used a few Cert. Pre-Owned.
Been wanting a Mustang years ago but all I've read is how they are not so great because durability is poor ..people fixing them all the time. Thought about the Chevrolet Camaro the last few years. However, as I am retired last year and also retired Navy (1978 to 2004) with military pension, decided on the Camry XSE V6 to be my last car, plan on driving as few miles as possible like under 6K per year. Have Toyota VSA for 10 year/100K zero deductible paid $1,815. If I was to keep the Camry for 5 years or less ... heck with the VSA as it would not worth it since Toyota pretty much covers 3 yr bumper to bumper and 5 yr powertrain. There are plenty of cars I would love to have most which are pre-1990s, got the classics and muscles cars. A Navy friend of mine for years worked on and refurbished at 1971 Plymouth Barracuda even had many parts chromed. We were both stationed in California, anyways he sold it about 12 years ago. He paid under $2K for it around 1979, worked on it from 1982 - 1986 since I knew him in California, finished it some years after that. He told me since it was not a vehicle to be driven often, stored in his garage, the insurance cost, attending many Car shows, it was time to sell. He got over $35K for it. So figure 1980 to 2010 is 30 years owning it. I have a couple photos of it, unfortunately cannot post-attach to CZcams. Also, my condolences to you and your family regarding your father. I'm hoping to make it to 75, I should but life aka the good Lord almighty does not guarantee anything or let you know ahead of time.
Glad you and your brother dedicated your CZcams channel to your father. My brother and sister, we got together on my dad's birthday Sept. 28 and mine Nov.28 to honor and remember him. He liked deer hunting and ice fishing. He was family orientated, many friends and a few life-long friends, belonged to Elks Club and Moose Lodge, he did his best, a terrific dad. I wish to you and your family the best, to be happy, successful, and to have good health. Please keep the Videos going, I enjoy them.
Unreadable. Break up your paragraphs