Then it wouldn't be ISO containers. But that's a rather good idea, I really do wish that there were more dedicated train routes around London which would divert passengers away from entering the London Underground. For example, imagine this: You enter England on HS1, but what happens when you enter the london area, is the train is split at several parts to head up the particular mainlines you chose to go on, therefore, you wouldn't need to change trains to enter parts of the UK which were previously inaccessible on that particular train and thus, need to travel on the LU to reach the terminal that you want to get to. At the moment, London really does separate the rest of the UK from the rest of the European network, therefore focing people that want to go into europe to travel on LU, which puts HUGE stress on the system whcih is hugely outdated. I think it's either that or retrofitting the LU as a whole with a larger loading gauge to fit double decker passenger stock which would multiply the passenger capacity by a lot which would reduce the pressure on LU to run on time. The UK really does depend on the LU to run a lot, a bit too much if you ask me.
Now, the main problem of what you are writting here, is that, to do that entirely new system, that would suppose an ENORMOUS invest, new tunnels, or remake the existing ones, not to talk about building new stock... If it was me, I'll go for the second option, wich is, as I said, to remake and expand the existing tunnels, now, the problem is that you can't do that on the standard gauge LU lines, as they were made from cutoffs. It is really funny that some of the LU lines are in fact, ex-BR or ex-GER... I would suggest reconnecting Stratford with Epping forcing the Central Line to terminate there for example, as in fact, it is quite annoying sometimes to go through the tube system, something like expanding the "Overground system" and replacing it for the LU system would be quite usefull indeed (where possible), should the system connect the north, south, east and west of London. I'm sorry I can't add some more examples, as I just lived for 3 months in London and travelled between Epping and the city. Good night from Spain!
I'm not sure about the first option, a ring railway around London would certainly help relieve pressure off the LU. The LU serves almost 1.265 billion passengers annually and the LU is actually pretty stressed with the passenger numbers as it is. So having additional capacity on the trains would really help a lot. But the problem is, expanding the LU are many of the older tunnels which were laid using the cut and cover method where the track would need to be lowered in order to have double decker trains, which would cause all of the pipes to be re-routed and huge disruption everywhere. The reason I said connecting the north with the rest of Europe would be beneficial because currently you need to travel on the LU to get anywhere in the UK and vice versa so having a ring railway connect all of the lines together would relieve pressure off the LU so that people commuting to / within London use the LU system rather then people arriving, taking the LU to another terminal station and departing again to somewhere else. Also, good night boleamj.
Hi. this is a ballast train returning to depot. Early mornings they are usually seen finishing off from night engineering works. The locomotives work by battery, because the electric current is switched off. Nice catch, and worth seeing.
Yeah it was a bit of a surprise! It was at Leicester Square station on the Piccadilly Line. I was just about to show my friend a video I had taken that night when we saw this weird train approaching, so I was able to switch to record mode and capture it! Apparently they are a common sight if you miss the last train, but I hadn't seen one before!
It's rare to see but common for freight transporters to be there for track works that may be on down underground. The obvious thing is the the shape of the freight locomotive to be able to fit in underground tunnels
I saw one of those engineer's trains two years ago. It was going through Euston Square on the Metropolitan Line. There was some works on the line between Moorgate and Aldgate. Thanks for the video.
you'd never seen this before because it runs only very late evening early morning because there are less trains running and it is slower than the tube trains
Its not a really a freight train, its an engineer's train for carrying ballast and sleepers for track maintenance. The wagons are being propelled by two battery locomotives, which can draw their power from the tracks, or use power stored in their massive batteries when the track current is switched off.
The London Underground is a passenger transit system. Commercial Freight does not use the underground and the only non-passenger trains are usually engineering trains and are usually run at night or when sections of lines are closed and very rarely during operational hours. The only time I have seen one was at Stratford station passing through on a mainline train.
On a surface portion of the Chicago (CTA) system, interchange freight ("goods", as you British say) in the form of coal was hauled at one time with electric locomotives. The stations affected would have a gauntlet track to allow clearance by the larger coal cars ("wagons). Ancient history now...LOL
@soundseeker63 only a small percentage of the Underground is actually under the ground - there's plenty above ground and yes, they do use ballast just like the "normal" railway on those sections. To get the ballast from the depot to the worksite may well mean it goes through the central underground section - just like in these video. The yellow things on the end are battery/electric so they can work when the power is switched off - essential when maintenance is going on!
@LikeMindedIncident Actually, I think the reason the maintenance trains always have a loco at each end is so for manouverability; like the standard passenger trains, so they can be driven from either end. Remember, if they're repairing or replacing track they might need to switch direction anywhere. Mind you, I've often been tempted to jump onto a passing freight at a main line station myself, when my train doesn't show up for ages.
I love this video clip, to which made me think if that would that be a good replacement service for London Underground when Public Service Strikes were in action. lol
It does indeed. Interesting fact - when I wrote that comment 11 years ago I had nothing more than an interest in the London Underground. Since then I’ve become a tube driver on the Piccadilly line and more recently the Northern line. Funny how life turns out.
Wow am surprised I saw this on video. Never expected to see a freight train passing a London Underground station before, especially on the Piccadilly line. Weird moments on London Underground lol
Thats a first.. I my self have never seen a freight train going past a station.. For all my time traveling on the tube this gets rarer then a 1938 Stock...
@eisemanrenyardjake - Yeh you're right, intended for maintworks purposes. While passing through stations at snail speed though, having drivers only at the front would be dangerous. I had one pass through once. Sooo tempting to get a lift..! Cheers
good old battery Loco's! , from Ruislip no doubt, they do exactly what it says on the box, they run on battery power when the traction current is switched off at night to bring ballast and track materials to site for the renewals work, the yellow loco's date back from the early 1950's .
@krnboy1009 Maybe in yankeeland, in this case it was an engineering train for work elsewhere on the underground network, but on other parts of the UK there is no distinction. The law exists in the US because 2 mile long trains don't really mix (traffic wise and safety wise) with short commuter trains.
@lofcmatt What about an entire underground rail system that not many even know about? The Royal Mail had such a system until 7 years ago. The whole system worked the same as TFL but on railtracks no one knew about, it carried all the mail from East to West North to South.
to be fair every time I have been down there I have never seen a freight or ballast train before not during normal service anyway, this is normally all done out of hours
@KinletHallsthebest They definatly won't be diesel some health and safety bs stops diesel locos using long tunnels, which is essentially what the London Underground is. They'll either be battery powered or run off the 3rd rain like the passenger trains.
it isn't freight, just a maintenance train. the gravel is for the ballast on the overground sections of the tube and I think the 2nd to last car had sleepers on it.
It's not THAT rare to see, if you are in a station late at night. The maintainance crews that work in the 4 or 5 hours the system shuts down need to get materials close to where they are working while the network is live. Amazing how many people ride the tube system every day yet never wonder when it gets maintained . . or about the people working overnight trying to keep it running.
@MultiCARTOON I like old things too. I live in a modernist 1930s apartment and a lot of the items I own are from the 20s/30s period (e.g. lamps, kitchen units, tables and chairs). They don't look a day old but are almost antiques. They go quite nicely with my 46" flatscreen, soon to be 3D, but at the moment nothing is shown in 3D. Do you have televisions and electricity where you come from, MultiCARTOON? DO YOU?
Na na na mate you go down a tooting broaway at 5:30 and you see one of them go past every morning. you should see the battery locomotives running over the rats, what a sight it is. honestly tooting broadway is FULL of rats at 5 inthe morning bloody hell
wow, 3rd class really went down hill.
hahaha so sfucking funny
More like 69nth class
The ford crown victoria
They normally run at night.
yea
This was probs filmed at night.
@@louscr8249 why is the platform so busy then
@@ILikeTransport night tube?
@@thatguyshawzy this was filmed 11 years ago lol
Now, if you see a container train in the underground, THAT would be a sight to see.
Containers are mainly out of gauge for the tube network.
As in, the containers wont fit in the tunnel.
Ben 1337 What about if containers were tube shaped? ;D
Then it wouldn't be ISO containers.
But that's a rather good idea, I really do wish that there were more dedicated train routes around London which would divert passengers away from entering the London Underground.
For example, imagine this: You enter England on HS1, but what happens when you enter the london area, is the train is split at several parts to head up the particular mainlines you chose to go on, therefore, you wouldn't need to change trains to enter parts of the UK which were previously inaccessible on that particular train and thus, need to travel on the LU to reach the terminal that you want to get to.
At the moment, London really does separate the rest of the UK from the rest of the European network, therefore focing people that want to go into europe to travel on LU, which puts HUGE stress on the system whcih is hugely outdated.
I think it's either that or retrofitting the LU as a whole with a larger loading gauge to fit double decker passenger stock which would multiply the passenger capacity by a lot which would reduce the pressure on LU to run on time.
The UK really does depend on the LU to run a lot, a bit too much if you ask me.
Now, the main problem of what you are writting here, is that, to do that entirely new system, that would suppose an ENORMOUS invest, new tunnels, or remake the existing ones, not to talk about building new stock...
If it was me, I'll go for the second option, wich is, as I said, to remake and expand the existing tunnels, now, the problem is that you can't do that on the standard gauge LU lines, as they were made from cutoffs.
It is really funny that some of the LU lines are in fact, ex-BR or ex-GER... I would suggest reconnecting Stratford with Epping forcing the Central Line to terminate there for example, as in fact, it is quite annoying sometimes to go through the tube system, something like expanding the "Overground system" and replacing it for the LU system would be quite usefull indeed (where possible), should the system connect the north, south, east and west of London.
I'm sorry I can't add some more examples, as I just lived for 3 months in London and travelled between Epping and the city.
Good night from Spain!
I'm not sure about the first option, a ring railway around London would certainly help relieve pressure off the LU.
The LU serves almost 1.265 billion passengers annually and the LU is actually pretty stressed with the passenger numbers as it is.
So having additional capacity on the trains would really help a lot.
But the problem is, expanding the LU are many of the older tunnels which were laid using the cut and cover method where the track would need to be lowered in order to have double decker trains, which would cause all of the pipes to be re-routed and huge disruption everywhere.
The reason I said connecting the north with the rest of Europe would be beneficial because currently you need to travel on the LU to get anywhere in the UK and vice versa so having a ring railway connect all of the lines together would relieve pressure off the LU so that people commuting to / within London use the LU system rather then people arriving, taking the LU to another terminal station and departing again to somewhere else.
Also, good night boleamj.
Hi. this is a ballast train returning to depot. Early mornings they are usually seen finishing off from night engineering works. The locomotives work by battery, because the electric current is switched off. Nice catch, and worth seeing.
That's a passenger train from India.
+GVM4763 GVM4763 Not enough passengers on that passenger train.
Ben 1337 LOL
;)
Nearly empty too-lol
Least not as crippled as Brexit.
That "what?!" was priceless 😂
Yeah it was a bit of a surprise!
It was at Leicester Square station on the Piccadilly Line. I was just about to show my friend a video I had taken that night when we saw this weird train approaching, so I was able to switch to record mode and capture it!
Apparently they are a common sight if you miss the last train, but I hadn't seen one before!
Interesting, maybe I should go there if they still operate.
@@Moshimulations They do, it's not a freight train but a maintenance train for London underground.
i saw one looking similar
It's not freight it's a underground maintenance train but it's sort of freight
GetDatCombo at first I was like "Crossrail"? Then I realized, oh 2009, that can't be right
Engineer's Trains are a common sight late evening / early morning on London Underground.
It's pretty rare to see a work train in the tube! That's right! It's not a real freight train, it's used for maintenance!
It's not pretty rare, they run everyday.
South London Railway Photography lol hi
lol same
They run daily
And it’s yellow.
jump on like gta
ahahahhaha great i deaaaplal wuqeiwpbdh
It's rare to see but common for freight transporters to be there for track works that may be on down underground. The obvious thing is the the shape of the freight locomotive to be able to fit in underground tunnels
Wouldn't be neat to ride on that train. You'd the Hobo of the Underground.
I saw one of those engineer's trains two years ago. It was going through Euston Square on the Metropolitan Line. There was some works on the line between Moorgate and Aldgate. Thanks for the video.
That's a Rare thing to see, it's normally at times the tube trains are in the depot
They seem comfy enough! Well ventilated too! :p
Wow! I have never seen a frieght train operate in the underground before. Excellent video. Thats why I love videos of trains doing rare things.
It's not a freight train, it's an engineer's train carrying materials for maintenance.
you'd never seen this before because it runs only very late evening early morning because there are less trains running and it is slower than the tube trains
Its not a really a freight train, its an engineer's train for carrying ballast and sleepers for track maintenance. The wagons are being propelled by two battery locomotives, which can draw their power from the tracks, or use power stored in their massive batteries when the track current is switched off.
London!... taking mining to a whole new level!
It's not freight, it's an engineers train. Carrying stuff like sleepers and ballast to engineering possessions.
It's a track work train, no freight.
you could see it carrying the sleepers.
Very cool
The London Underground is a passenger transit system. Commercial Freight does not use the underground and the only non-passenger trains are usually engineering trains and are usually run at night or when sections of lines are closed and very rarely during operational hours. The only time I have seen one was at Stratford station passing through on a mainline train.
Better late than never here’s a thumb👍
Superb catch !
On a surface portion of the Chicago (CTA) system, interchange freight ("goods", as you British say) in the form of coal was hauled at one time with electric locomotives. The stations affected would have a gauntlet track to allow clearance by the larger coal cars ("wagons). Ancient history now...LOL
@soundseeker63 only a small percentage of the Underground is actually under the ground - there's plenty above ground and yes, they do use ballast just like the "normal" railway on those sections. To get the ballast from the depot to the worksite may well mean it goes through the central underground section - just like in these video. The yellow things on the end are battery/electric so they can work when the power is switched off - essential when maintenance is going on!
Seen these a million times going through Acton Town (an above-ground station) but never actually seen them underground... very odd.
That looks like it's for Track Maintenance, could see concrete sleepers on the last car, it also explains the gravel too
Now that was a lucky catch.
Great video too
Track maintenance, for maintaining tracks. It is not for building the HS2 or something, it's purely for maintaining the Tube.
your a wizard Harry
I believe they only use the batteries when the traction current is off. When its on they use the 3rd and 4th rail as usual.
That is SO cool!!
I love the high pitch 'WHAAAT?' at 0:12
did you film that with a potato?
video uploaded in 2009, so quality wasn't good... like at all back then
well cheap electronic cameras were really bad back then that's right
well making high qualtiy footage was very expensive
Love the comments. To settle this important debate it was shot with an Iphone 3GS #oldschool
14725800369 no, obviously, it was filmed with a calculator
@LikeMindedIncident Actually, I think the reason the maintenance trains always have a loco at each end is so for manouverability; like the standard passenger trains, so they can be driven from either end. Remember, if they're repairing or replacing track they might need to switch direction anywhere. Mind you, I've often been tempted to jump onto a passing freight at a main line station myself, when my train doesn't show up for ages.
I love this video clip, to which made me think if that would that be a good replacement service for London Underground when Public Service Strikes were in action. lol
Never seen this in a deep tube before! Interesting!
This is known as a battery loco. It runs on batteries!! It's an engineering train mainly used at night when the power's switched off. Pretty cool!!
Does it have the option of taking power from the rails?
It does indeed. Interesting fact - when I wrote that comment 11 years ago I had nothing more than an interest in the London Underground. Since then I’ve become a tube driver on the Piccadilly line and more recently the Northern line. Funny how life turns out.
Wow am surprised I saw this on video. Never expected to see a freight train passing a London Underground station before, especially on the Piccadilly line. Weird moments on London Underground lol
It is maintenance train not freight train.
@Keytaster You'd need to travel very late evening or early morning to see these
thats BorisRail's next gen 3rd class coaches.....
That's a maintenance train - probably for the jubilee line.
Does Geoff know about this ?
I have a hunch that the voice behind the camera is of Geoff.
Just gonna kind of repeat urself eh?
I just love surley trainspotters, they really make the hobby enjoyable for all! lol.
GREAT VIDEO!!!!!
Great video
Thats a first.. I my self have never seen a freight train going past a station.. For all my time traveling on the tube this gets rarer then a 1938 Stock...
Yeah,It happened to me as well. I thought it is going to be a normal tube train and then this!:-D
I think it's carrying either new or used ballast (gravel for sleepers and tracks
Very exclusive!!!
they ar called battery locomotives that runs on the same 3rd and 4ht rail power lines as any other tube train
this isn't a freight train. its the new rolling stock for the Hammersmith and City line! XD
Lucky! Thats so rare!
For almost half a year I travelled by tube day by day and I never saw that... cool
WHIRL great catch mate 5* and a fav which station was that
@eisemanrenyardjake - Yeh you're right, intended for maintworks purposes. While passing through stations at snail speed though, having drivers only at the front would be dangerous.
I had one pass through once. Sooo tempting to get a lift..!
Cheers
good old battery Loco's! , from Ruislip no doubt, they do exactly what it says on the box, they run on battery power when the traction current is switched off at night to bring ballast and track materials to site for the renewals work, the yellow loco's date back from the early 1950's .
what are they thinking? I CAN'T RIDE THIS
@EWS60500 we have been known to carry the odd car or two :) but mainly ballast sleepers rails anything they need that cant be taken in via road
INCEPTION!!!
@KinletHallsthebest I have no idea what class the locos R, but I'm pretty sure they're battery powered rather than diesel
Amazing!! :D LIKED and FAVED
Wow. I didn't know that there were YT Spam bots 8 Years ago.
@krnboy1009 Maybe in yankeeland, in this case it was an engineering train for work elsewhere on the underground network, but on other parts of the UK there is no distinction. The law exists in the US because 2 mile long trains don't really mix (traffic wise and safety wise) with short commuter trains.
@lofcmatt What about an entire underground rail system that not many even know about? The Royal Mail had such a system until 7 years ago. The whole system worked the same as TFL but on railtracks no one knew about, it carried all the mail from East to West North to South.
thats actually one of the battery locomotives
to be fair every time I have been down there I have never seen a freight or ballast train before not during normal service anyway, this is normally all done out of hours
WOW! That's amazing.
I wonder where it's parked.
could be the sidings at e&c or anywhere really
@KinletHallsthebest They definatly won't be diesel some health and safety bs stops diesel locos using long tunnels, which is essentially what the London Underground is. They'll either be battery powered or run off the 3rd rain like the passenger trains.
lol it looks like the new victoria line, except the train to split in the middle
Thats an older wooden panelled loco I think and used on the larger loading gauge line.
cool ;-)
waaa! i've never seen this before! everyone has m8
wow!
Every1's like wtf, how am i meant to get on that
Has that freight train lost its way and ended up in the subway? They should've made that U-turn when their gps asked them to 😂
They are London Underground Battery locomotives, a common sight to see, but the freight wagons… no fucking clue.
it isn't freight, just a maintenance train.
the gravel is for the ballast on the overground sections of the tube and I think the 2nd to last car had sleepers on it.
Really if that was to happen their should' ve been a member of station staff to supervise. great video anyway :)
sick
It's not THAT rare to see, if you are in a station late at night. The maintainance crews that work in the 4 or 5 hours the system shuts down need to get materials close to where they are working while the network is live. Amazing how many people ride the tube system every day yet never wonder when it gets maintained . . or about the people working overnight trying to keep it running.
That actually a maintenance train. Probably pulling ballast and some sleepers.
@MultiCARTOON
I like old things too.
I live in a modernist 1930s apartment and a lot of the items I own are from the 20s/30s period (e.g. lamps, kitchen units, tables and chairs). They don't look a day old but are almost antiques. They go quite nicely with my 46" flatscreen, soon to be 3D, but at the moment nothing is shown in 3D.
Do you have televisions and electricity where you come from, MultiCARTOON?
DO YOU?
which station was that?
Little bit of a generalisation there. I think you'll find a lot of very intelligent people were born and raised in London.
Na na na mate you go down a tooting broaway at 5:30 and you see one of them go past every morning.
you should see the battery locomotives running over the rats, what a sight it is.
honestly tooting broadway is FULL of rats at 5 inthe morning bloody hell
Those battery locos can work while the power is switched off to allow maintenance work.
I saw that happen once! ; )
first time ive seen one of those.
I driven a 7 1/4" maroon model of this locomotive at Pinewood Miniature Railway. It was only visiting though, so I don't were it lives.
Now , if you see a MERSEYRAIL train in the underground , LMFAO
I ve never seen this its rare to see
i also seen one of those on the london underground
WOW
I never seen this before
nice
coool!
U said it!
I've seen one of those trains at Stratford while there was no service between Bethnal green and loughton I was on a tfl rail train
Three cheers for Batterius!