How Doctor Who Perfectly Replaced Rose Tyler
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After Rose's departure at the end of Doctor Who Series 2, how would the show introduce her successor, Martha Jones?
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What classic villains do you think should make a return to Doctor Who?
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We should also appreciate that in turn left, Martha gave her colleague the last oxygen tank. I think that really solidifies the deeply compassionate and self-sacrificial element of her character.. I don't know if it counts as part of this story though
I kinda feel like it’s a bit of a bland, cookie-cutter act of heroism, though. It’s nothing uniquely “Martha” I kinda feel like pretty much any companion from New Who would do the same. Like do you think Rose would have kept all the oxygen for herself? Or Donna? Amy? Clara? Sarah Jane?
@@jacobcurle8964 Those companions might try to share the oxygen, in an attempt to save both. Martha, with her medical knowledge, presumably figured out that would be futile and would end up killing both of them.
@@jacobcurle8964 Sarah Jane isn't a New Who companion?
@@user-jn1wm3tb8v she definitely counts as a companion in New Who, in my opinion. Being a Classic Who companion doesn’t mean she can’t be a New Who companion as well.
@@jacobcurle8964Literally, any companion of Any era would do it
From Susan To I think Dan is the latest one. I'm not counting anything from. Beyond the 13th doctor's regeneration Until the episode airs
i love martha’s introduction because she doesn’t feel like a “race type cast”, that aspect is completely ignored. she’s just martha
To be fair I don’t think any of the companions have a big deal made of their race. Mickey, Martha, Danny Pink, Bill... none of them feel like “black” is an integral part of their character.
Actually Martha is the one that probably bothers me the most because in The Shakespeare Code when she brings up the potential issue with her skin colour when time travelling, the Doctor basically hand waves it away like “who cares if you’re not white I’m not even human just act confident and nobody will be racist to you”
@@jacobcurle8964 racism wasn't introduced to England yet I suppose.
@@danielbergonzi7319 That plus she was with the doctor then bloody William Shakespeare, so she wouldn't necessarily get abused
@@danielbergonzi7319 please say sike right now
@@jacobcurle8964 Shakespeare made a play about a black man called Otello
I love Martha even though I was still crying for Rose when I met her. She's so lovely and smart you can't help but love her
Doctor did her dirty by treating her like a rebound girl. Still Martha held her own and got out when she saw the writing on the wall
The Doctor never treated Martha like a rebound girl. Martha compared herself to Rose in a contest for the Doctor’s affections. It was a contest she was always doomed to lose-something he told her upfront the day she stepped onto the TARDIS.
@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 Yes, and he told her that "Rose would know this and that" when she tried her best to help him. He even took her to the same place he took Rose for their first travel. Come on, Ten treated Martha as someone lesser because he was whining for Rose...
@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 yeah he did, a lot times in this season, specially the next 2 episodes. 10th in general was condenting and rude to anyone that was nto Rose tyler..until donna showed that some people can be sassier then him lol
@@metalheadnerd Martha decided the kiss in "Smith and Jones" had to mean something to the Doctor, and she heard everything he said through that filter. In a "He used to be with someone named Rose? Well, she's with her family now, and he's kissing me now, so once he decides to move on, he'll give in to the attraction between us." Every character has a weakness, and Martha's was an inability to read between the lines. All the clues were there, but she didn't have the intuition to out them together. Eventually, the truth was going to catch up to her. I think it's really telling that when she says goodbye to him at the end of "Last of the Time Lords", she doesn't say anything about him leading her on or anything. It's all about her realising that he was never going to want her the way she wanted him. And that's okay, he doesn't have to... but for her own well-being, she couldn't stay.
It's amazing how much more complex Martha could be if they didn't have it where every one of her major character moments was about her unrequited feelings for the Doctor. The season would've been so much better if the Doctor had been much clearer from the start about his relationship with Rose and what happened. We'd then watch the season unfold as Martha never believes he has feelings for her, never lets her crush becomes something more because she saw how much her parents' marriage was ruined by her father's infidelity.
As for the "Rose would know" line, I know people give the Doctor crap for that line, since it made Martha feel bad. But... he really wasn't trying to compare the two. More than anything, he just missed Rose and wished she were there. And the thing people really miss in being angry at the Doctor for saying this is that it's true. This is the way he and Rose always worked together. Rose really was always pointing out the things he missed, seeing the details that would solve the problem. Intuition, especially when it comes to people, was Rose's strength. It's a way she complements the Doctor, since it is not one of his. And it isn't one of Martha's either, which is the source of a lot of tension in S3. He was used to having that kind of support, and Martha had other strengths.
@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 I agree with a lot of what you're saying. The season would have been much better if the stupid 'unrequited crush' aspect was scrapped from the start.
However, it's very hard to see the Doctor's treatment of Martha as anything other than as a rebound. He barely takes account of her concern (he brushes aside her worry of being taken as a slave in The Shakespeare Code, and doesn't even think of what her treatment would be like taking care of him in Human Nature/FoB), talks about how Rose would be better than Martha at helping him (I'm sure he didn't intend it that way, but it was still a comparison), and even took her to the same planet he took Rose.
And, as I said above, I'm sure most people would've preferred he be more clear in explaining his relationship to Rose, the fact is he didn't (a few offhand remarks in the first episode don't count, especially since he pretty quickly went beyond the 'one trip to say thanks' part). It hardly takes a genius to see Martha's interest in him (the season came out when I was 7 and I could see it), so the Doctor has to share some of the blame for Martha's mindset.
Considering she's probably the only new who companion who could only really come back (Clara and Bill don't really count) properly I would love to see a new Sarah Jane family reunion some day down the line, I love Martha. Here's to hoping. Fun fact the entire moon premise for this episode was created around the fact that Tennent couldn't say "oon" sounds so they built it around the line "a judoon platoon upon the moon" one of the best companion introduction episodes and the third best series opener
Captain Jack can and has come back too. There's also Mickey Smith who could theorectically return.
I would love to see her and Mickey return.
@@iusedtowrite6667 Particularly Mickey for me. I think he'd get on like a house on fire with the Thirteenth Doctor.
@@CineScarborough Since he married Martha, they could both come back! :D
@@Lia-uf1ir Honestly at this point, I'll even take their future generation. Like ab episode set in the future where one of the characters is their desecendant. Could be their kid or just another smith.
So much about Martha is designed to be in contrast to Rose.
Martha comes from a middle class family (lives alone and pays for college without needing a job, sister mentions inheritance), but Rose was working class (lived with her mother in council housing, had a job folding clothes).
Martha has a large family (sister, brother, mother, father, father's girlfriend), but Rose only had her mother.
Martha is reliable, constantly puts others before herself, and has a hard time speaking up for herself, but Rose always pursued whatever she wanted, even if it meant disregarding the feelings of Mickey and her mother. I'm not saying that to say Martha is a better person than Rose, but Russell T. Davies deliberately gave them opposite character flaws to overcome: Rose is selfish, and Martha doesn't go after what she wants.
To be fair, in the UK pretty much everyone gets a student loan to pay for university. There’s not really any such thing as being “too poor” for university.
@@jacobcurle8964 is it money enough to pay for a place to live and other expenses, or does it only cover tuition and other fees? I'm not from the UK so I'd really like to know.
@@maeliandrade9919 yeah a student loan kinda comes in two parts, your tuition fees which are paid directly to the university in your name, and your maintenance loan, which covers rent, bills, food and luxuries, which is paid to you personally.
Your maintenance loan varies from person to person based on your family’s income, so if your parents make a decent amount of money you’ll receive less than someone who’s parents are relatively poor. The highest amount of maintenance loan is around £9,000 per year, although you can get a little extra if you have a disability that requires extra help.
A lot of people choose to get weekend jobs to supplement their loans but personally I managed to survive 3 years fairly comfortably with just the maintenance loan.
Oh, also you don’t have to start paying back your loans until you’re making at least £30k per year, and the amount you pay per instalment increases as your income increases.
I will say this about Martha. The first episode really does show how strong and independent she is. Just think about how they find out they are on the moon, she rushes around trying to comfort everyone and get an explanation while everyone is freaking out. Then later she promises the Doctor they'll figure a way out before she even knows he is the Doctor. And it foreshadows just how much Martha saves the day throughout the season. How quick she is to see the situation surrounding her, analyze it, and come back with a solid solution. Unlike Rose who sorts of rely a lot on the Doctor at the beginning, Martha uses her own abilities to full advantage.
I would say that this season wasn't meant to put Martha in Rose's shadow, but to enhance just how alien and dark the Doctor really is. When he isn't in love with you or you're not his best friend (like Donna) he plays a lot more fast and loose with companions lives. He left Martha to distract the Judoon and figure out how to defeat Ms. Finnigan without ever telling her. Something he never did to Rose unless he was 100% sure she was on the same page. And you see it again in the Dalek's episode where he is saying "oh you need to fight", in the Lazarus episode where she almost dies and her sister saves her, in the family of blood episodes where he decided to become human in a time that was incredibly unsafe for black women, and at the end of the series when she has to convince the whole world to chant DOCTOR at the right moment. And sure we can say that last adventure was out of desperation, but those other times, there were other solutions. And I wonder if they never made her fall for him, would the season have worked, because would she have been so blind to how he treated her. Heck even at the end she says she can't keep doing this to someone who never notices her. Season 3 Doctor Who is meant to juxtapose the Doctor with a character that is so kind and aware of others that she often puts herself on the backburner to help others and without the need for recognition, so unlike the Doctor.
I think that the point of Martha leaving is that she can't keep doing this to herself
Yeah. I like we are shown that the Doctor can very much be a pos.
Not nearly enough love for Mrs Finnegan here!! Though she's admittedly not the most imposing villain in NuWho, I think Anne Reid turns in an absolutely stellar performance which had me laughing but also cringing with fear in equal parts. The mental image generated when she pulls out that little straw is enough to cement her as one of my faves from a season that wasn't particularly strong for villains... Give me her over those witches or the Macra anyday.
Anne Reid doesn't get to play nasty enough! She's one of those actors you can tell relishes the opportunity to play the villain - she's having so much fun and it shines through in the performance. Which is what you want for Who, where most of the villains are a bit campy and inclined to chew the scenery. It's just a shame her character was a one-off.
She did play a great mean old matriarch in Sanditon though.
Underrated villain IMO.
I'm going to be really contrary here and say that I don't really mind Martha being overshadowed by Rose. Like, I hear a lot of people saying it ruins or at least damages her character, but I think it's quite the opposite. It *is* her character. It is the source of conflict which was so sorely lacking from the Doctor/companion dynamic in series 2. Characters need flaws so they can have character arcs, and watching Martha learn to stand up to the Doctor over the course of the series is really satisfying. Watching her confront him about his past at the end of Gridlock, or slap him in the face in Human Nature, those are really great moments *because* we've winced at all the times the Doctor has treated her like crap and she's just given him a free pass for it.
Yeah I have no problem with Martha's Season 3 storyline. Like you say, it adds some friction to the Doctor-companion dynamic. Plus it has a very satisfying conclusion, and overall gives Martha a nice, neatly packaged little 'journey' as a character. And that's something Martha really needed. When we meet Rose, she is living a completely mundane life, and being held back by her well-meaning but stifling Mum and boyfriend. The Doctor opens the door for her to lead a better life. When we meet Donna, she is shallow, self-centred, which, as we gradually learn, stems from her complete lack of self-esteem, as caused by her hyper-critical mother. The Doctor shows her that she really does mean something, is worth something. Meanwhile Martha is... driven, confident, and apparently quite happy. She's training to be a Doctor. She has direction in life. There's some family drama but Martha seems to be taking it in her stride. Martha needed some sort of obstacle in her path to overcome, and her unrequited love for the Doctor is just that.
@@RS-kt5po Great way of framing it.
you ever just think about how this ep takes place on an egg?
This is why I love Doctor Who
@@tinykemper2561 Agreed lol.
Martha really deserved better. I wish Ten had rejected her advances properly half-way through series, so she could grow more as a character. Like don't get me wrong, she still is one of ny favourite characters, but her trying to flirt with the Doctor scenes still make me cringe. She had a lot of potential and still does. They can easily bring her and Mickey back and give them a proper episode to develope maybe a spin-off. I mean I would watch a The Smiths spin off.
Agree. RTD was always very careless about Martha's romantic life, to the point where it began to get annoying, as he insisted on writing her into relationships without doing any of the foundational work required to let the audience connect to them. We met her eventual husband just once, and he seemed like a decent guy, but then we fast forward to her marrying him half a season later. The next we hear of it he's gone and Martha is hinted to be with Mickey now. To the non-Torchwood viewer, those two hardly even knew each other! If he wasn't going to put in the work I don't know why he didn't just keep the character single
@@lateralhistory So true. They desperate to pair her up with anyone other than the Doctor. I actually don't mind her and Mickey together. I just wished we saw more of the pair. Even in Torchwood, Martha weirdly felt too single. I wish they had brought back Mickey with her. I would love to see them come back for an episode in s13 or even have their own spinoff.
@@iusedtowrite6667 100%. Mickey and Martha could have been a really interesting pairing, but we didn't even get to see how they were compatible or what they bonded over. Davies just stuck them together like dolls in his toy box. As if romance was the only real happy ending he could think of for them.
It was especially weird for Martha and Mickey, who both found happiness in other areas of their lives, and didn't necessarily need love to be their happy ending.
It was very Pair The Spares.
@@lateralhistory Exactly, it felt weird. Like we have two poc characters, let's just pair them up together. It felt like a rushed decision and seemed a way to cut down the screentime, during The Doctor's revisits to his previous companions by putting them together. Like there was no built up. Not even a single reference to them getting together. It felt jarring
The RTD era really excelled with the series openers. There isn't one bad opener.
New Earth is a bit... iffy, but it's so joyfully off-its-head it's hard to hate
@@RS-kt5po I've never understood the hate New Earth gets. It's great fun!
The comic timing of season 4's opener excels. The moment The Doctor and Donna are talking through windows at each other after the perfect amount of buildup is still one of my favourite moments of NuWho
@@applecoreeater That bit was genius.
@@applecoreeater Agreed, 'Partners in Crime' is brilliant.
This episode is just everything about why I love Tennant as the Doctor. He has his dramatics, he has his adventurous nature, he has his child like behaviour and he’s fantastic to watch.
13:18 - who can criticize Freema's acting? She was utterly brilliant as Martha Jones! A serious contender for my favorite "new Who" companion. If it's the faces she sometimes threw when things got really weird, I loved those "whatever!" expressions.
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I'll admit I was sceptical about the Judoon when I first saw them but I think they have turned out as great monsters and should appear in the show more often.
One thing that is pretty cool about the Judoon is that they are not out and out villains. They aren’t plotting anything sinister, they are basically just doing their job, but catching innocents in the crossfire due to being too eager to dispense justice (and too harsh in their punishments).
It creates a very interesting conflict. They ultimately want the same thing as the Doctor, so you could conceivably think they should be working together, but clash over their respective methods.
YES YES YES!! Martha deserves all the love!! Incredible actress and brilliant character!! :D
Absolutely.
Martha is absolutely one of my top companions. Far superior to Rose, and out of anyone, she's the one I have the most nostalgia for
Martha was great, Wilfred was my favourite (if he counts) but I absolutely hated Donna
@@Merrit16 how dare you hate Donna
Martha got a raw deal. She definitely deserved a second full series as a companion where the Rose-sickness has worn off. I think series 3 was the weakest of the first 8 (episodes like the Shakespeare code and evolution of the Daleks really bring it down) and she gets undeservedly tied to those.
@@Merrit16 I love Donna. Her time with the Doctor brought out her best aspects. When we meet her she's just an annoying and loud person, who just yelled at everything.
Then we learn later its just a front to hide her more compassionate side. She starts reserving her yelling for the bad guys, and dresses them down, not taking there bullshit.
Her time with the Doctor brought out her best aspects, made her a better person. The dynamic between the Doctor and Donna was amazing, and they just worked so well together.
They were best friends. The tragedy of Donna, is that we SEE her become this person. We see her become her best self. We get attached, because we grow to LOVE Donna.
Then its all ripped away. She had possibly one of the saddest companion fates I'm New Who. Maybe not the most tragic, but defiantly sad.
At least with Rose, she had her experience with the Doctor. She was still the person she was after traveling with the Doctor, a better person.
Donna lost her time with the Doctor. The experience that made her such a great person, reduced to how she was before. All that growth, all that experience, torn away.
Every other companion, even Clara, got the at least remember the Doctor, all the amazing things, all the experience that made them better.
Marth has always been my favourite companion, well besides Wilfred being the legend that he is.
Anne reid who plays mrs finnigan was in the curse of fenric (1989)
The Curse of Fenric is one of the best Doctor who episodes of all time.
@@theodoredalton3355 agreed
When I first watched it I was like 15ish and I thought Martha is a grown up serious adult etc and that's why she is so brave and able to handle this panic. Now being 23 myself I admire this character even more because I wonder if I'd be able to act like that in similar circumstances and still manage to make jokes and have a great adventure (no, I don't plan to be abducted by aliens, just in case I were in the middle of some panicked crowd)
Same here! Being the same age as Martha, who has it all figured out and is confident in her abilities and path in life, I know I am nowhere near as amazing as she is. I would probably be one of the quivering people in the background, not the one going off with the Doctor haha.
Well, you never plan to be abducted by aliens.
7:37 To borrow from another cornerstone of British sci-fi Judoon are "not actually evil but bureaucratic, officious and callous" one dreads to think what their poetry must be like
They're the Whoniverse equivalent of Vogons.
@@InsaneProf damn, I've thought this for years and you beat me to it.
While it may not "counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor," we know that their poetry will rhyme...
"They wouldn't even lift a finger to save their own grandmothers from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters."
“Shall I compare ye to a blocho-sto?”
Really liked Martha in series 3, a much needed change after the very unlikable Rose of series 2, she showed herself to be a very caring person and not self involved like Rose was, and Martha certainly proved herself throughout the series and her leaving the tardis was very justified
By the time he explained the tie scene, I had forgotten that 1st scene mostly.
Loved this one, Harbo. Smith and Jones is one of the best companion intro episodes, for me. It may not be as atmospheric as The Eleventh Hour or as funny as Partners in Crime, but it does such a fantastic job of establishing Martha's character. You really feel you know who she is by the end of it, and you're so excited to see how she handles life in the TARDIS. It's also great to see the Doctor back on form - or so it seems, until Rose begins to haunt the season, and Martha comes down with a case of unrequited love that undermines all this great work. * collective sigh from the audience *
But all that for another day. Smith and Jones was a great opener that was full of promise for the season ahead, and if we're judging it as a standalone episode that's probably the best metric to judge by.
My only complaint would have been that the Slabs were the kind of nothing villains NuWho relies on a bit too much for my liking. Too many of the villains' henchmen are mindless drones with no motivation for their actions. (Bonus points if they've also got no faces. The two do seem to go hand in hand, for some reason . . .) Every villain needs muscle but it would be nice if they had some interior life of their own, or some *reason* for following the big bad.
I think Smith and Jones is one of the best openers. Very very underrated it’s a good balance of character development and a decent threat.
Fantastic video as usual!
I have a lot of fondness for this episode, and while I've rarely seen anyone dislike it, I don't feel like it gets ENOUGH appreciation. Smith and Jones is a very bread and butter kind of episode, there's nothing outlandish or particular about it, but it's incredibly solid and unapologetic in being a conventional Doctor Who story.
Lots of people throw around ideas of which episodes are the best to introduce people to the show with, and for me this would probably one of my choices. It's a perfectly good series opener that has an incredibly well executed companion introduction, which in turn acts as another introduction to the Doctor himself.
There's little to no baggage or continuing plot threads from anything before it, as well as virtually nothing that would spoil any other of the shows events. The only thing is the mention at the end that the Doctor is alone, that Rose is no longer with him - but it's way too vague to actually reveal or spoil anything.
Bro that transition to the sponsorship section was so smooth I didnt skip it
I think 10th Doctor's companions improves per season. I prefer Martha over Rose. Martha was able to be something much more than Bad Wolf without any power ups.
Sure would be nice if Martha could be judged on her own merits, and not in comparison to Rose. 😒
This is such an underrated episode!
I love Martha i think she is a much better companion than Rose ever was. A shame she is so mistreated. The whole "She is not Rose" and her being in love with the Doctor was a huge mistake. She is sweet, smart, quick thinking, brave and she saves the day so many times.
Martha and Donna are two very different charterers and I love them both to pieces. In my humble opinion those two would have been on a shared first place on my list of companions if not for the love triangle/not good enough thing. As it is she only comes in second to Donna
I think that's kind of the point though, right? He keeps comparing her and it's not a fair comparison, so she eventually decides that she deserves better and (powerfully) walks away.
Martha Jones has always been 'my companion'. _Smith and Jones_ was the first episode I ever watched, and she always stuck with me, even into Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi. Even with the stupid 'unrequited crush' part that hung over the whole season, she's still easily in my top 3 companions of New Who
Let's not forget this is the episode that introduces the blue suit for the 10th Doctor, my favorite variation of his outfit
"Judoon Platoon on the moon" was a line written specifically to try and catch out the Scottish David Tennant and make him slip up with his accent, but he never did.
Have you covered the final special (End of Time) that Tennant was in during his primary tenure? His nostalgia crawl was an interesting sendoff for that iteration of the doctor.
What? What movie?
@@leifhelland6313 i think he means the last episode he was in when he basically saved all his old companions or met them one last time
Sorry, I meant the specials. Tennant was in a few specials towards the end of his time on the show properly.
5:28 I have a a question about when the Judoon returned in The Stolen Earth, why do they still speak their native language? It makes sense in this episode as the TARDIS is on Earth but when the Doctor arrives at the Shadow Proclamation, they're directly in front of it.
I think I read somewhere that the Judoon's language is basic like cats, horses and babies and therefore the TARDIS doesn't translate them
RTD includes an earlier draft in "The Writer's Tale" where the Doctor addresses this by saying they're too primitive. Obviously the line got cut in the final version.
The TARDIS thinks the Judoons' language is beneath it.
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the final scene in Gridlock, potentially my favourite Tennant scene of all time.
I love how the production team sort of prank David Tennant by making him say 'Judoon platoon upon the moon'.
I really liked Martha. With the previous two series, the show sometimes came across as 'the Rose show' where she was presented as more important than the Doctor on many occasions (similar to how the show got Clara fever under Moffat) and the Rose/ten dynamic could be a bit sickly sweet at times with all the goofiness and gurning. Martha was far more like a classic series companion in that it wasn't all about her. She naturally came across as a normal person in an extraordinary situation as opposed to the 'fam' of the Chibnall era who seem to have to give constant jokes and reminders that they're just regular folk.
Great video!
Especially agree around the MRI machine plot element being weak. Perhaps the episode could have done without the final upping of the stakes being the result of the Plasmavore. Maybe she could simply have been prepping her route out of the hospital.
I like the Judoon's lack of compassion in that sequence, so focused in on (and caring only about) finding the non-human that they are willing to abandon humans to their death. As well as how they summarily execute a man completely disproportionately, and shoot indiscriminately towards both The Doctor and Martha when they first scan him as non-human, as likely to kill her as they are him.
I wonder if this narrow conception of protective function that they hold could be extended further, and it be the Judoon themselves (inadvertently as opposed to maliciously) that cause the final upping of the stakes (a replacement device for the MRI). Perhaps their indiscriminate shots at Ten and Martha earlier could be shown to have damaged something (with a foreboding shot inserted into the sequence then), or maybe the depletion of oxygen could just be the thing by itself.
Obviously the Judoon return the hospital but there's nothing to say that they judged it all correctly....after all one plausible outcome of their withdrawal in the episode as is could be that they return the MRI 'bomb' to Earth and the whole planet is eradicated, not only the moon-facing half. So I think some other incompetence could work just as well, without having to introduce something completely new at the eleventh hour.
God, I love this opener. Second best introduction to the show imo!
You could watch Series 3 as your first series, which I quite like. You probably won't get Jack tho.
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Disappointed Mrs Finngean didn't go hehehehehe
Save A Fox is one of the greatest channels on CZcams
@@HarboWholmes They really are
Martha is one of the best, probably my second favourite companion!
Bruh, that transition into the ad was sooooo smooth
Controversial opinion: _The Jones's are the best Companion Relation._
jones’s, tyler’s, noble’s
i said it
I think I prefer wilf personally but the joneses are great
I mean, Yaz's family was very iconic and good
@@_jmj.h_244 and nightowl, agreed, but please learn to use an apostrophe
Nahh your forgetting wilf bruh
What a smooth transition into the sponsor...
But seriously, great video! And I do like Martha, she is just great character.
Oh yeah and that finnegan reference made my day :)
11:06 Harbo: "the episode is wrapped up in a neat little bow"
11:13 Me thinking "more like the episode is wrapped up in a neat little neck tie, am I right?"
Just like the episode itself, you've made a great start in setting up the Series 3 reviews, and now come with an unusual b plot of the Ekster sponsorship
Good job on getting your first sponsor!
I think it was really cool that they got Daft Punk to appear in this episode
The judoon remind a tiny bit of the vogons. Idk why
Thuggish, somewhat stupid space police. Very similar concept overall.
love for bureaucracy?
3:43 I’d 100% act like Martha and would just geek out and be excited about being on the moon and seeing earth like that, that’s the dream, so cool 😅
I also don't think the direct comparison between Martha and Rose is a bad thing and I've never understood why people get too wound up by it. Martha still has plenty of her own independence and character (probably the most of any comparison in the modern era) and the direct comparison is obviously more deliberate and meant to reveal more about the Doctor and his overall ark than anything else, which I think it does perfectly because at the end of the day the Doctor is the core of the show. What makes Tennant's era so good is the journey his doctor goes on and his overall ark
Martha deserves better I'm glad she's finally getting some recognition
Amazing episode!
Who in their right mind could criticize Freema Agyeman's acting? She's brilliant! I loved her as Martha Jones. Is the complaint that she behaves like a real person would behave when presented with a madman in a magic box and in bizarre situations?
Series 3 is my favourite season, cant wait to hear your opinions on the rest!!
My favorite RTD series opener (Partners in Crime a very close second)
'The big old grey rock in the sky'. I think you mean egg!
Along with Series 7B, Series 3 introduced me to the Whoniverse and Martha and Clara are my favorite companions! :D Looking forward to your coming reviews. :)
This is not just my favorite companion introduction episode, i think it's actually the best episode to show people as an introduction to what Doctor Who is. It's both complicated enough to be interesting (with a plot that is not just "there is an evil alien we should stop", like in Rose or Partners in Crime), but also not as complicated and abstract as some other episodes, and ultimately the victory/solution in the episode both makes perfect sense (unlike the complete nonsense that happens in
Eleventh Hour), and is made by a companion and not the Doctor (because the thing i like most in Doctor Who is for other people to be cool and smart and solve problems, i hate when only the Doctor is cool).
Martha is amazing and deserved better, but that's nothing new, all the other commenters said it too.
I loved Martha. She doesn't seem to get much love. Blink was the episode that got me into new Who. I saw Rose's first few episodes and stopped watching .
I did not expect best boy Finnigan fox in a video about doctor who
The Judoon always reminded me of Vogons...
Don't let this distract you from the fact this episode takes place on an egg.
Yooo Harbo got a sponsor!
I'm pretty sure that an MRI machine can't destroy the earth.
' perfectly replaced ' eeeh don't know about that one chief
Cannot believe he used Finnegan Fox in this
Loved the Judoon. They feel pretty chill unless you obviously do smtg bad. Also it added lore to the Doctor by adding that he had a brother too.
Was not expecting a finnigan fox reference.
The first ever doctor who episode I ever watched. I didn't know Rose at the time, so I felt no nostalgia for her and was able to completely fall in love with Martha's character
I really like Martha I think out of all of the companies she is the one who met the least horrible ending and she's great
_Best companion babyyy!_ I don't even mind the "Second best to Rose" arc, it's just making her a soldier that annoys me. Basically everything post The Sound of Drums. Not a good direction to take. Good idea, wrong character.
One of my favourite episodes as a kid had one of the judoon ships as a kid
The fact you didn't call them "the black stigs" confuses me
Lucian the what what??
The mysterious bikers
@@rainbowgrden black stigs, as the first top gear stig was black
The character development of the Doctor’s companions and how the public receives them, how they rate them, tells us a lot about how women are still regarded in modern society. The more developed a character, the more likely folks are to dislike them. Rose was barely a person and she is the highest ranked companion. The more these later companions push back against the Doctor and their various personality flaws, the more personality they assert, the more people complain about them. None of them are as flawed as the Doctor, yet folks will choose to hate a female character in a heartbeat when they show themselves to be an actual person. The male companions, however, show the same kinds of flaws and they’re considered strong and evolving.
Always found aliens that are just talking earth animals a pretty lazy cop-out
My favourite companion and honestly I'd say the best companion in the modern era. It helped that all of series 3 was elite but she was so good. I was so sad when Rose left but you hardly miss her. The RTD era never disappointed for companions but Martha is the GOAT. Shout out to her husband Mickey Smith too. My 2nd favourite companion (not including Captain Jack because I don't know what you'd class him as)
Seeing Finnegan from SaveAFox was an adorable touch!
8:51 crip walk
You should do a video of all the mr Saxon teases in season 3
speak for yourself, The plasmavore freaked me out as a kid, and as an adult I really enjoy the performance given
“The doctor recognises them”
It makes classic doctors
New monsters cannon
I love the Judoon uniforms!
Here for the Martha love! 🙏🏻
It's nice to see other people watching those fox videos
I love Martha 💙 , she' s kind , feisty and smart + you can really feel her pain ( concerning her unrequited love for the Doctor ) .
Freema Agyeman is obviously a good actress .I never understood negative reviews about her acting . Replacing Rose was no small task . Season 3 is Fantastic !
Heh, I never knew I'd see anyone make a reference to Finnegon fox, from Saveafox.
love seeing martha appreciation, the level of hate she gets is so unwarranted! i think her character was so unique, and as the doctor's first non-white companion, i think she was incredible. she has so much heart and i think she's just such a realistic depiction of the best of humanity, she's so smart and compassionate. i loved how she was always a doctor first, even when her patients were aliens. her passion for healing people always shone through.
Since the hospital has been ripped out of the ground including the lower level judging by the crater in London, I wonder how intact that section is, especially once it's replaced again at the end. And what happens to that section while it's on the moon? Is it crushed or is the moon ground crushed under the weight (even though the gravity is lighter)
I think the force field would've helped keep things normal.
Oh my gad, it's Finnegan Fox!
Why does the advertisement have to be in the middle of the video? That totally destroys it.
Jan1270 pretty sure it’s a requirement by a lot of companies. That way they can guarantee that the audience views it. Because if you put it in the beginning they’ll skip to the main video content and if you put it at the end a lot of viewers will end the video early and just not watch. It likely was in his contract by the company for the sponsorship
realistic? excuse me we are british, most of us would just calmly accept the sweet embrace of the void.
what we certainly would not do is turn to a random stranger and begin screaming in an overdramatic way.
Was not expecting Finneganfox
Nobody expects Finnegan Fox
@@HarboWholmes fukin hilarious tho
#McGannGang fantastic video as usual, but less McGann than I expected.
An Ekster sponsorship? What is this, a Calvin Dyson crossover?
8:54 the scene he forgets about in the season 4 finale
That was Roentgen radiation, which the Doctor says is basically harmless to Time Lords ("we used to play with Roentgen bricks in the nursery"). The radiation in the season 4 finale is different and can actually harm him.
@@abbiemcpartland1968 at last, I can have peace
If only they didn't push the love story on Martha... She's so fucking strong as a character, I'm glad Russel realises he mis-wrote her a tad.
I think ms Finnigan is more enjoyable for the trivia with the actress coming from classic who. Otherwise I like Martha, nothing wrong with the acting or this episodes writing, but I disliked further moments down the line (specifically the end of time)
I just realized this is the star of _Last Tango in Halifax_ with Derek Jacobi.