Intel Optane Memory - Powerful or Pointless?
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- čas přidán 23. 05. 2017
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3:04 'that sound +LinusTech would be proud'
you almost had it
If you're going to quote something to show everybody you watched the exact same video as them at least quote it right.
UPDATE: intel has fixed this to work with secondary drives
I purchased an Intel NUC I7 7th gen with 16GB Optane and a Samsung EVO 850 PRO SSD SATA. When I enabled Optane memory I noticed the speed difference loading programs and browsing. So far I'm happy with the result.
Which worked better for you sir?
Fortunately with updates this has actually become a little more useful. An update to the software now does allow you to use optane on drives other than the boot drive. So it can be used in conjunction with a large HDD used for gaming or other programs.
Yeah they need to update this video. Or do a "Optane Revisited in 2019". Another thing they added was "Pinning". Which allows you to choose which programs you want to load faster or be prioritized.
Plus the 32 GB is now available for around the price of what the 16 GB cost back then
Just finished watching the “word from our sponsor” bit before the main video. It presents a product I normally would skip past but it was so clever that I kept watching. Good work!
IMO it would be better if it wasn't 200-series chipsets only, considering the people who could benefit from this are ones with legacy PCs that only have HDDs.
exactly. this may become useful years down the road when kaby lake is considered legacy and motherbaords are dirt cheap along with cpus and you need to cobble together a system using an hdd.
You do still need an m.2 slot
older platforms do not have the specifications required for Optane such as micro controllers etc...
there are pcie m.2 adapters.
Knightcore I got a 1t hhd with the 16 gb. I was unsure if it woukd actually work cause its only 16 gigs but my pc with a i7 8750h and the hhd being 7200rpm. The pc boots in seconds and the games load up really well, I am both suprised and happy I chose this route. I woukd just get a big m.2 ssd if you have the money.
Thank you so much for making this video. You answered all my concerns about Intel Optane technology and convinced me that it is just not worth it yet.
WOW, I have watched 20+ videos and I was able to get SOOO much more critical information here within the first 3 minutes. I was going to get optane to work with my secondary drives as I use an NVME as my OS drive. Thank you for providing such great detailed information. You just saved me a lot of wasted money. Thank You
today otpatne can works on secondary hard driv
"Only about 10 seconds slower"
Dude that equals to roughly 33% slower speeds. It is pretty substantial.
The Cooler Master ad is absolutely amazing!
Thank you very much Dmitri for this video. I had heard about Intel Optane but hadnt done any research on it. I thought from the way it was hyped it was some sort of software that would boost your speeds of all things you do. After watching this I realize it is solid but for most folks not that big of a deal. Thanks for the info and great video man.
Subscribed simply for the video editing, clever ads, and professional quality with great personality. Well done Dmitry (unsure if spelt correctly)
Alright, I just got to this part but. "Ooh, that sound. Linus would be proud." best roast ever. Liked just for that. Even though I know the review itself will be good. I've been waiting for the reviews from you guys and from GamersNexus for this tech since I heard of it. Because it just seems like fancier ways to do what Seagate already does with the drives they call SSHDs. Alright, back to the rest of the video.
Best Keyboard advert I have ever seen (no sarcasm). It's just to bad it wasn't a k70 rgb
Thank you for the informative video. It answered all my questions about Optane memory.
Anyone who knows about Optane and has HDDs as primary is doing it wrong.
RdyPlyOne how?
I THINK he means that if you're a sophisticated enough builder to know much about Optane, you would already be too sophisticated to be building around HDDs.
Adz Optane is not a mainstream product and only gamers and enthusiast know about it...And that group SHOULD have SSD primary and HDD secondary. SSDs are cheaper than a new release game now...
elenchus Exactly!
"SSDs are cheaper than a new release game now" WHERE DO YOU LIVE MAN??? I can only think of Australia due to the crazy game prices there... 'Cause everywhere else I know, unless you're talking about some limited or premium edition of a game, new games are still cheaper or the same price as a decent 120gb SSD
Thanks Dmitry, this is just what I was looking for. I've got an ssd and planning to buy a z370 motherboard to the needed spec ;)
Thank you for this great video. I learned so much more watching this than I would have searching the internet.
You've been watching some LinusDropTips?
thanks for the answers i was looking for dimitri.
I have this in my Lenovo legion y530 and it's pretty good. Really fast boot ups.
this was honestly one of ur best vids man, keep up the good work!
p.s. i really want the optane/harddrive
Optane memory is a bridge technology and useful for people that have huge storage needs like 4Tb onwards etc
Very well explained sir simple and fast. Subbed!
YOUR VIDEO QUALITY IS SO GOOD!
Great video! I got here because I was looking at a laptop that has 16G optane memory... and wondered what it was. I sounds like it acts like Hybrid SSD HDD which is good to have if it comes as a package with whatever you're buying... but only if you get it essentially without paying anything extra for it. If given a choice, and I need to pay, I think hybrid SSD might be a better choice.
Optane actually does support secondary drives now
Awesome background music btw!
Beautiful cinematography!
Optane memory is used for consumers looking for space without the compromise of using smaller expensive SSD's. The benefit comes from using lets say a 2TB main drive with optane memory.
best review from this thing :) thx Dimitri again for correct information :)
This Video was really a great help and made me notice that I definitely not need that ^^ Thx 4 that!!
Nice review exactly match question about Optane
Intel, wtf is the point of this lol
to sell you kaby lake
My coz is a kernal guy at intel and he says sometime they do just to see if they can. Right now they're working on a stick of DDR3 128GB memory. I too asked why....said there's clients waiting.
Its for people who don't understand multiple drives. So basically its for the computer illiterate.
Dan im broke and i cant afford a solid state drive.
I just purchased a Kaby Lake CPU and a 200-series chipset motherboard. I might have a go at one of these.
I dig the jacket. Totally unrelated to the topic but I felt the need to say it.
Had to like just for that cooler master advert
The whole point of this product is to put it in low end machines because optane + hdd is cheaper than equal capacity ssd solutions still at the same capacity. considering you can get multiple TB hdds for less than $200 but single TB SSD can cost upwards of $500. It's for laptops and cheap AIO desktops or just low end machines and laptops. the whole point of this is so that we as people who care enough to know this exists can suggest it to people who want their computer to be faster but aren't willing to make the investment to actually buy the kind of systems we have or to keep cheap laptops with 7200 rpm hhds and toss this in an m.2 on the board and you can replicate ssd performance without breaking the bank. it's literally for people who can't be bothered to know it exists.
but if grandma says she wants a faster computer and all it takes is a ASRock B250M, i3-7100, and the 16 gb optane thats just about 230-250 to turn what was probably a Celeron or Pentium machine that's at least 5-10 years old into something modernly useful and significantly noticeably faster without a need to upgrade that many if any other parts.
ohhhh, i get it now.
SORRY I'M 3 YEARS LATE
BUT WHAT YOU SAID IS TOTAL BULLSHIT, LOW END MACHINES WON'T BE HAVING 7TH GEN CIPSETS IN 2017.
Optane memory gets faster the more you use it, because it'll know what files and programs you use often enough and formulate it into its algorithm to provide faster boot/load times. It is not fast out of the box.
The fastness what you feel is more particularly due to the cache memory as the function itself of the cache is to watch your behaviour, get stored in itself and supply you accordingly.. hope this helps
false. it doesnt get progressively faster the more you use it. it can only cache something once. loading a game multiples times doesnt make it load faster it just lets the software know to leave it in the optane cache.
Can I use the optane memory to run the os while I’m using an ssd for other programs?
Ugh, I don't know, I still can't see it becoming a "mainstream" product, at least not in this shape or form, and especially knowing what happened before with the Smart Response technology. 🤔
If they expand compatibility with other processors and mobos, I cas see it becoming mainstream
And given that it's only compatible with the new* generation intel chipsets, I doubt it will ever gain traction unless something drastic happens.
If I can use it on secondary storage and get like 500 GB worth of it for under $200 then maybe worth it as cache for like a 2TB HDD
TekTick you are awesome man!
I can see this becoming really popular with OEM sellers like Dell, it allows them to give you a whole lot of fast storage at a low price, and fast storage is a big plus in OEM machines which are normally used as office PCs and such
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It's amazing :D thanks!
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that cooler master ad was legitimately very good
Good stuff Dima!
no one does advertising videos as cool as Hardware Canucks!
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I stopped the video right after the ad to make sure i liked it. Now i'm going back to finish the video. Good job on the Ad D.
Well i can see it being useful when you have lots of game on a 2 TB HDD to speed things up since a large enough SSD would cost you way more than the optane + a large WD caviar black or whatever other large HDD.
Not all the games i have are installed right now and its taking just a tad over 1TB on my HDD so an SSD just wouldn't be large enough for me so i might get that Optane at one point. Maybe i'll wait for an updated model though . . .
6:24 everything I needed to know. Thank you! :)
I couldn't agree more. SSD caching is a good idea but it simply cannot match the performance of a pure SSD solution. Thank you for this review.
It's a solution already available on many platforms. I have 512GB (2 x 256) read cache M.2 NVME SSD on my QNAP 863+ NAS. It does what Optane does, but at a lower price, with more capacity, and no need to have a particular board or processor. (The unit can be put in any machine)
I think it's able to load the game in general faster because it's the same frequently used files that are being loaded. It would probably speed up saved game loads if it's literally the exact same load point everytime. Not sure why someone would want to do that though so maybe it's a plus that optane doesn't cache that?
got the notification while watching. Well done youtube
yeah that notification system is just as pointless as the optane
FYI, Intel Optane can now accelerate secondary SATA drives too.
Thank you that was constructif
I think SSDs are the best thing to happen since sliced bread. I was an early adaptor of this. Rehabilitated a useless 2012 Samsung Series 5 with a 256 GB SSD and it worked like a charm. Im still using it in 2018. It does everything I need it to do except run Davinci Resolve.
Glad I found this video as I was looking up a NUC bundled with Win 10 and Optane and an HDD!?! w+f is an HDD doing in 2018. So might as well build from a NUC kit instead of their NUC min PC bundle.
Just a proprietary cache technology like Crucial's momentum cache technology if you buy Crucial SSD. Except Crucial Momentum just use idle RAM as cache while Optane uses a tiny NVMe SSD. Momentum cache is designed to entice you to buy more RAM.
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wenksification wait, he isn't?
Admiral Ashik is he? lmao
A lot of people think he looks like Chris Pratt. Comments like these are quite commonplace on this channel XD
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definitely
I turn your videos on and listen to them to fall asleep sometimes
Looking a honest opinion...
Thanks a lot...
I was watching this for 24 seconds, got so into that ad I scrolled to click like, then realised I hadn't even watched the video, just your keyboard ad.
Very similar to Seagate's hybrid tech, they did it with HDD's and a build-in SSD (have one). It works great with small files however when working with large files it makes really no sense. Experiences may vary, the size of files, the quality of the 'learn' algorithm and the purpose of the drive. Using this with games really doesn't make any sense because the 'cache' memory is limited so you better want an overall constantly faster drive without these limitations.This kind of solutions is suitable for computers/workstations that need to do the same and doesn't change too much. The question is why you want to install such drive, it is better to install a faster drive that covers all speedy needs.
Your keyboard commercial was worth the watch. XD
I picked up one of these on the cheap and can say I'm super impressed with it. It will speed up your mechanical to SSD speed or better and will double your SSD speed. Also 4k reads are through the roof as is super low latency + longevity. Benchmarks are interesting but real life is where its at and most stuff opens instantly. This baby will have a long life in my system as I can't yet afford the ultra expensive high capacity m.2 NVMe's.
who wants to spend £2000 nvme for 2 tb lol
To everyone saying pointless and useless, CLEARLY hasn't ever played with one. I put it in an already very solid rig - 7600k w/ liquid cooling, 980 ti g card, 600w PSU, 16GB 3000MHz RAM, and a 480 GB SSD. I added optane to play with it (the 32GB model), and it boosted the performance of the SSD considerably. The 3D Xpoint data transfer rate, combined with the fact that the optane sits so close to the CPU, has increased the 'snappiness' of the system completely as well as increased just about anything it's cache'd.
Honestly it's the best $80 I've spent on any individual part and I'll be keeping one in every rig I build no matter how high-end I get it.
Best sponsored promotion ever. I may buy a keyboard just because the production quality and the intentionality of the ad was so high. lol
I don't know but i feel like you guys are way underrated. You should have more subscribers and viewers. I am a huge linustechtips fan and i do agree that your ads are more creative than linustechtips. Is there any way we can help to gain more membership?
Also just a suggestion, linus media group created floatplane club, which is really great and a good alternative to vessel. I think you guys should join. Linus asked in that forum what other creators his viewers would like to see and a lot many people mentioned you guys.
I would be interested to see if it makes a difference in situations where there is a Large capacity HDD that is quite full. I Agree with all of your conclusions so that is the only time I could see fronting the cash for this solution.
That is what we call an honest opinion! Appreciate it mate
People on reddit have it working on linux and windowsrigs with AMD pc's.
I have it as a swapdrive in my Ryzen 2200G system. Works fine.
Hey Dimitry, I've been wondering what name of the (piano?) song/score is, during your CM Keys sponsor portion of the video. It sounds awesome...
Thank you
Shame it won't work on my recently aquired z170 motherboard... Was going to give it to my son, guess I'll just use it in my z370 8th gen i7-8086k system...
Just bought a new rig from iBuyPower with the 32GB Optane + 1TB SSD system drive (I already have a 1TB WD SSD data drive I'm going to slot in.) I'll let you know how it all turns out!
Not to mention, I think it was Linus pointed out, it's strange, you need one of the newer motherboards, so why would someone have one of those newer motherboards and not get an SSD too.
well would've loved to see a 4tb hdd accelerated with the optane and then some "heavy" usage. If u can get a fast 4tb drive for a good price, maybe thats where the optane shines.
Having just a 4 TB or 6 TB HDD only and optimizing it with that little drive could be a good idea for many people
If that was how it worked but it doesn't. The main key to this worthless device is it only works with your OS drive. Who in their right mind has a 4 or 6 TB HDD as an OS drive? No one who knows how a PC works that's for sure.
Edmi Perez This is for people who just bought new hardware, it only supports kabylake and 200series boards.
For the price you are better off with a 250GB M.2 SSD.
@@Lighteningskye There is a bios update available now to make it work with secondary drives. On 8th gen it work out of the box.
@@Lighteningskye You live in the past dude. I have a 6TB HDD with Optane and everything runs almost as fast as an SSD. And it only cost me $300 for the HDD and Optane. You absolutely can run your OS and everything else on one harddrive. Find me evidence that this is a bad idea. I like not having to mess around with multiple drives. It's easier to have everything in one place.
They recently updated the driver so that you can pair it with a secondary non os SATA drive...so if you have an SSD as a boot drive and a 6tb HD with your apps and games you can use it. Of course your board needs 2 M.2 slots for that scenario.
Nice video, you forgot to mention that if someone wants to have a quick upgrade (without reinstalling windows) then Optane is a good solution
Wiiii as of 2018, Optane now supports a secondary/data drive i.e., your game drive
Its rediculously good when paired with high rpm hdd. My pc is up and running in 9 seconds.
great review
Its basically just a fancy cache?
Needing the latest tech in order to be able to use that is a big bummer!
Hopefully, SSD drives prices will go down soon.
My main computer runs by Skylake with SSD drives only. (2x500GB 850 EVO + 120GB Adata X900)
I have a second PC with HDD drives which is basically an HTPC.
My 2 cents!
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Looks interesting. My OS drive is a 500 GB Samsung 850 Evo, however most of my games are currently located on 2 TB (2x 1 TB Seagate Desktop HDD raid0). Currently there is only 200 GB free. Purchasing a 2 TB SSD will set me back at least $700. However it looks like replacing with Optane + 3 TB HDD can give me an upgrade in performance for about $200.
Super Helpful
Awww !
I hoped you can use this with my secondary HDDs !
Dude if all sponsorships were as interesting as this guys I wouldn’t skip through then 😂
I'm really interested in seeing how Optane compares to SSHD.
Well I have the Corsair Force Series MP500 240GB M.2 SSD (was going to get the 480 version but changed my mind as I needed cash for something else) It is really really good so fast that during the boot time which takes 5 seconds (if login password is not on) at least 70% of the boot time is my motherboard another thing my old HDD would take around up to 2-3 hours to install or install major windows ujpdates on but this SSD installed windows in like 6-7 minutes
Intel Optane DOES have a market share but not in the current consumer form caching is not what Optane should be used for but if used in RAID will be really good for use as cheap RAM as even the high end $1k+ versions of Optane have a cheaper Price/GB vs actual RAM but it is a little slower so in RAID 0 it may be near the speeds or even faster than some commonly used RAM speeds
typically i have found that its unfair to compare Optane to an SSD directly. While $77 for 32BG isn't much against a 128GB SSD, the SSD won't give everything loaded on your HDD a performance boost. And if you already have your OS loaded on a HDD, it can be a powerful alternative for your early enthusiasts than loading your OS from an already established HDD to a new SSD.
its so niche i have no idea who would use this thing
cool tech though, excited to see what it'll evolve to
Didn't you make video about Optane short ago? By your colleague?
I certainly cannot find that video now.
would be nice if you compare it with seagate fire cuda(SSHD)
IMO the tech could have a lot more use in the future, when it has the same speed as RAM and could be used as RAM. To combine the two, drive space and RAM, would go a long way especially considering that everything seems to be getting smaller and smaller.
I think you mentioned it when you said that system builders will use it. I'd imagine that manufacturers like HP and Dell will put it in their lower end laptops and market the heck out of it.
Please make a video on Pci-e risers!!
I see the Optane being a combination of short term memory and long term, or more so in the computer hardware area, RAM and Storage. Throw the two together to where you can store information for a long period of time (which RAM cannot do of course), but also to be fast and take up little space. If you went with an HDD plus the Optane you'd save a lot of money, assuming you would've went the SSD route. Now, most of us will have to upgrade to a Z270 platform, not worth it just for that.
In my opinion, give it some time. I predict in 10 years this will be part of the "mandatory" parts for builders, more so those on a budget. Maybe it'll be capable of what the SSDs can't reach in this time frame
i feel like this would be a great product if it did 2 thinks: 1 work on all mobos with a m 2 slot and if it worked for a 2th drive? os and prime games on C: and then the rest on a D is what a lot of ppl have. then having optane cache your D would be a great way to speed it up!