Cheap new cars will NEVER come to America...
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
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Cheap cars may never come to America after this big announcement of taxes on imported Chinese cars.
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if there is so much competition in the car market? Where the hell the deals at?? Fixed Market...
People keep buying marked up dealership vehicles so they keep the prices high 😩
America will never get cheap cars again because they showed there where willing to pay 50k for 4th gen 4 runners that came out in 2009 and long ago recouped it's production startup cost. What this shows automakers is that they now have zero incentives to offer a car what it's truly worth and squeeze out as much margins as possible without making it obvious you getting ripped off. I've been saying this for awhile that in the age of hyper efficient robotic production lines and cheap material costs cars are the most overpriced things on the road, a 10k car is more then doable with profit for all automakers. just look at the 10k truck Toyota made that's not coming here Americans are being had big time. And Honda better get on the ball they have been resting on there laurels since 2014.
You're so right. Carmakers are as greedy and sleazy as dealerships. They will never go back to making cheap new cars with thin profit margins
@@sachinnair91 exactly biggest scam no one is talking about right up there with any safety standards after 2010 completely unnecessary since most people drive a car that 10- 15 years old in America anyway. 😂 We need poverty spec base models again and direct to customer sales from the manufacturer.
You guys can sell your country to save some money
@@currythegoatofmankindthepa5156 I mean or just buy cars from dealerships cheaper then MSRP like I got a nearly fully loader 2020 mustang ecoboost a $38k MSRP car fro $34 out the door... Like when has toytoa or telsa ever had a deal like that?
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough see that's the problem a Ecoboost mustang that cost 34k is too much the GT used to be 28k 10 years ago now a GT will set you back 60k inflation is half the battle automakers are just jacking up the prices because people keep buying overpriced vehicles.
AWD Hybrid Maverick with a slightly upgraded interior for less than $30k would go crazy
This still doesn’t stop the Chinese companies from setting up shop in Mexico though, we will see what they will do 👀
Can't wait! Byd shark hybrid truck has their Mexico reveal today. Good stuff.
@@reginald7214 ah yes BYD shark. Truck which starts in the $50K equivalent for a midsize, twice the starting price of a base Toyota Hilux. Yet its towing and payload a lot less, no solid axle means it is never gonna be as off-road capable. It uses e-CVT rather than traditional torque converter automatic. Is 30kwh or so battery is stored not in the interior like the Wrangler 4XE or TNGA-F product but outside underneath the cab. So repairing and replacing on that battery will take longer and cost more money. It is not the W you think it is. Biggest problem? It uses e-CVT🤣🤣
@@miraphycs7377 😎
Only way they don’t get tariffed is to build US factories.
@@ryanfraley7113 Too many countries keep demanding new factories in a market with too much capacity.
81 million voted for this
You really don’t believe that number, do you? Rhetorical, never mind.
Nonsense and this is a lazy comment. Very few people vote for every single policy of any administration or candidate. Some people vote for a specific party or candidate because of something totally unrelated to this issue. So saying people voted for this is complete nonsense. If you vote for healthcare allocation or weighty issues like reproductive rights it is absolutely ridiculous to say that you agree with every other policy that a candidate or administration has.
I would settle for a new Honda Fit and Mazda 2.
Carmakers are far too greedy to ever go back to making small affordable cars again. They've become addicted to making huge expensive SUVs and trucks with fat juicy profit margins
@@sachinnair91 I totally agree ... unfortunately. 😥
No one buys them unfortunately
@@bumpygumpson people didn't buy them when they were being made because interest rates were zero back then which means car loans were super cheap which means even low income people could take out 7 year loans to buy big SUVs/trucks. Now that interest rates are high, plenty of people (including me) would buy a Honda Fit or Yaris or Mazda 2
@@sachinnair91fail. 🤦♂️. No, they stopped selling them in US because nobody bought them. They still make them and sell them in the rest of the world.
Surprised by Honda’s massive investment into EVs, I think they’re just trying their absolute best to play catch up
Catch up to what?
They partnered with GM for there first EV....huh
@@vancity2349yeah because they wouldn’t have been able to put out a competitive product without doing that, that’s the reality
@@mike9588 Why partner with GM...not exactly known as a leader in the EV world...
As long a manufactures know that their Marketing successfully imprinted US Buyers with the attitude that the type of car automatically signifies success, achieved or not, then you are 100% correct. Later, when they realize that was a contrived concept that "played them", then things wil change. Unfortunately, many Americans, by thet time have had one or two repos and a bankruptcy under their belt. And that new Honda Civix LX is gonna look like the answer to those dreams. But with credit score of 530, they'll be scouting "mom & pop" car lots buying junk. It's happening as we speak. They'll blame everyone but themselves.
EVs ain't the future, hybrid does, even in China EV sales grow slow now and Hybrid is the way to go.
YangWang U8 is a PHEV iirc, the wheels are moved by electric motors but it has a gas range extender in it.
Can the Chinese make cheaper PHEVs?
@@faheemabbas3965 News say all about EVs not the car that show at the cover, beside, U8 ain't cheap at all.
EV are in no way the future trying watching a video of people driving from Europe through Africa and see just how much infrastructure they have for EVs. or in America in most of Europe where it's just slightly better EV use case only exists on paper not in the real world where people actually drive.
exactly, BYD is doing good not because of its EV but because of its bread and butter PHEV. They can lean on the hybrids unlike most Chinese and other EV startups from around the world that lose money
Sometimes, I wonder if people really want more competition in the US auto market, especially if it’s Chinese competition…
Current EVs are too expensive to “save the world”.
They don’t want competition because the US companies can’t compete in that market. So they pay lobbyists to make them illegal
Bro it's about to be WW3 EVs are saving anything 😂
EVs are throw away vehicles anyway, why not have a cheap option.
If they were, unions and car companies wouldn't be lobbying for 100% tariffs against Chinese EVs.
Yes, EVs should be cheaper like 10K for a EV compact sedan.
@@paulneil7321 It can only happen if the companies can figure it out. BYD has come very close with a combination of vertical integration and the fact that their batteries are some of the best in the world
Kirk, IS this Tax include Geely and BYD for ALL of their Vehicles + Batteries, permanently??!! I Wish I could have a PHEV or HEV Mustang FWD (Snow Tires)!!
Not understanding Li-on battery cars. Li-on isn't clean. Does anybody realize how much C02 is generated making this crap? No body wants to put the infrastructure into place anyway. The battery packs are heavy and they wear out tires quick. Insurance is insanely expensive. They depreciate like crazy. Much more so then ICE. Just look at how much the oems spent on this crap and the only thing they see are billion dollar losses. Even Tesla is having massive layoffs and their future is questionable. I've listened to many people who tried EV and then decided to dump it, take the financial hit and never to buy into that again. Not saying electric powered vehicles is a bad thing. But using Li-on as the power source is the worst way to achieve that. These stupid idiots need to realize that Li-on isn't that answer. They need to move on and develop a less toxic way to achieve that goal. Li-on has its place in powering small devices. Not cars. Until then other oems need to follow toyota in building high mileage hybrids. That is the interim solution. Biden needs to back off this EV BS. And if his answer is to put tariffs on Chinese EV's then it will fail in the US 1000 percent. Because the masses ain't going to pay the MSRP's that the domestic oems want for their Li-on crap cars. As it is Ford pretty much shut the Mach E and lightning production and slashed prices. So they can lose even more money. And GM shut down the one cheaper option that people actually wanted (the Bolt) for their more expensive problematic pile of crap Blazer. Well see if Dodge has any better luck but I'm thinking those EV's will rot on lots along with the their trucks, chargers, etc.. that nobody wants or buys.
Don’t like hearing about all these automakers making record profits. Just sounds like they’re charging too much for these cars…problem is now there’s a need ceiling for them and no one wants to take a loss or pay cut.
yeah there's reasons for that such as not being able to meet EPA Gas Mileage standards or lacking safety features. that extra 2.5% tax on imports isn't as steep as the Luxury tax which is 10% and only applies to cars valued at $100,000 or more such as a Cadillac CT5 V Blackwing Lexus LC 500 Convertible Porche 911 targa Corvette Z06 etc. though with the Corvette Z06 the Convertible is more popular than the Coupe is while for other versions of the Corvette the Coupe is more popular also the biggest dealer in the US in the last 2.5 years is MacMulkin Chevrolet in Nashua NH who has sold 3.350 Corvettes since Sept 2021 when the 2022 model year started
I love chinese hybrids and EV they are affordable for americans consumers.
Honda hasn’t produced any BEV yet aside from the e and some BEVs in China.
some of the cars that go for 30k+ now were originally cheap transport I.E. a Toyota Camry when my late maternal grandmother bought her first one on president's day 1990 the Sticker price was $11,588 and it had most options standard except a sunroof and she wound up having that Camry for 14 years and 130,000 miles and her second Camry a 2005 LE model that now nearly 20 years after purchase has only 35,000 miles on it
What was her salary in 1990?
@@thejake8099 Don't remember off the top of my head what her Salary was as a waitress in 1990 as I was 5 years old at that time so didn't care what people's salaries were I remember though that she got 20% off the car due to presidents day incentives and a trade in a 1984 Buick Skylark limited with roughly 70,000 miles on the Odometer. oh and of the three surviving US Luxury Automakers Buick is the Oldest founded in 1899 then comes Cadillac in 1902 and Lincoln founded in August 1917
@@courtneypuzzo2502 the point is, everything is relative. Salary, car prices, home prices..1990 car prices look cheap compared to 2024 car prices, median salary in 1990 is also much lower than in 2024
Kirk, Honda supplies vehicles to many more countries than the US. If expenditure on R & D doesn't make sense to you, perhaps you could look at other markets they compete in.
I dislike graphs which don't start with zero on the Y-axis. They can distort.
The graph shows R & D per vehicle. As Toyota volume is about 3 times that of Honda, total R & D is approximately equal. The product mix of Honda also has a higher price than Toyota. Also, R & D is not only spent on electrification.
Did I hear that right ... toyota has a model called the BEEZEY? That's how they say busy in Europe. " Not now, Carmella, I'm beezey ".
Honda would end up making good EV's at this point Tesla gave everyone the Blueprint. If they mess up with their history I'd be shocked.
America touts free market until it's the car market
It’s only a free market if you pay the government to let you in.
China plays home ball too. BYD wouldn't be where they are without government intervention. However you can say the same for GM.
@@KirkKreifelsTesla is well over 10 billion in subsidies in the USA alone.
9 billion just in carbon tax credits
@@KirkKreifels Lol, Tesla is the welfare Queen of cars, do you think they'd be in existence without subsidies both federal and state, not to mention them literally making profits off of carbon credits rather than cars. Americans need to lose their 1989 view of China as the current situation in China otherwise you will keep having your asses handed to you in every sector of the economy including the economy.
Americans love expensive autos to impress , giant homes to impress, big RVs, trailers, off road vehicles and highest personal debt in the world. Until the Depression.
It seems like me before knew this was coming. Don't forget the Chinese already own factories in the United States, like Foxconn ownes Lordstown.
What if Toyota will use Chinese batteries, will tariffs be imposed too?
in theory.
Buy a car from Harbor Freight? What could possibly go wrong?
You know nothing if you don't know the predator engine.
where is the discord ???
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remember toyota put fuel injection and introduced fuel-sipping front-wheel-drive vehicle not only after honda but also after general motors too. 🤣🤣
Maybe if the CCP didn't effectively price fix Chinese EVs for loss leader tactics then they wouldn't get tariffed.
The coping continues…
Ford needs to make some compelling vehicles and restyle & rename the mustang mach e
EV's Suck, had model Y for 3 years, Very Bad Experience, Never Again! China will take it to mexico, like others are doing. Tesla Quality is a pile of $h.
Even Chinese don’t like Tesla that much anymore. Check how luxurious chinese evs made.
So because one Tesla model you owned was a poor car, all BEVs suck?
Cool
they aren't cheap, but we have polestar and volvo
These are not Chinese cars. One, now two, Volvo models are made in China but all are spec'd in Sweden and technically, both are Swedish companies (despite many with the fallacious belief that since a Chinese company owns them that makes these companies Chinese). And Volvo will be moving construction of the EX30 to Belgium next year. Polestar's 3 is made in the USA for the North American market and the Polestar 4's construction is moving to South Korea next year. That leaves the Polestar 2 and Lotus cars left constructed in China. And there's talk of moving the Polestar 2's construction to Belgium.
Who Wants a Cheap Chinese EV ?
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China's lfp battery is safer than us batteries. In fact, us soft pouch battery can't pass china/eu regulations and us manufactures have to use imported batteries for ev sold in china/eu.
This is basically the wild, wild west. I’m not touching any hybrids or EV’s at this point, certainly not a Chinese one even if possible.
Chinese EVs are spontaneously catching on fire all over China, the cars are cheap for a reason.
More than any other place? Have lived here in China for 9 year but haven't seen single one. Not saying it hasn't happened but "...all over China..." seems like what you'd want to hear rather than what is happening.
@@itayizinzombe947 They are catching on fire all over china, a lot of which are BYDs.
You mean like every chinese cars is a national threat to US? 😂 even tesla uses chinese made batteries.
They aren't all cheap and some of this is just sensationalism. A lot of cars catch fire everywhere.
There are no Chinese cars in the USA. There are Western companies and 3 Western brands owned by a Chinese company that have some Chinese built cars in the USA. But there are no Chinese brands in the USA. And Chinese does not equal inexpensive. Nios are not inexpensive. Some BYDs are not inexpensive. BYD also has an upscale brand. The Western brands owned by Geely, Lotus, Volvo and Polestar all make expensive to very expensive cars. The entry level cars are around $40,000.
The so-called cheap Chinese cars are microcars that aren't sold in the USA.
China should be able to set up shop in any country that says it is OK. And if USA's Tesla can make the bulk of Tesla's profits in Shanghai, China, why can't a Chinese brand build auto factories in the USA? BYD already builds some of their buses in Lancaster, California. Cars aren't so special IMO that we have to restrict all Chinese brand cars from the USA.
HEY
I remember when fridges, washers, and household electronics used to last for decades back when the Japanese, Americans, and Europeans ruled the electronics world. RCA, Toshiba, Matsushita, Zenith, Sanyo, Mitsubishi, Sony, Philips, etc are some examples of past legends. Now with all these Korean and Chinese electronics companies dominating (thanks to them undercutting the competition), we have brands like LG, Samsung, and Haier that sell cheap crap (that isn’t even cheap anymore) that doesn’t even last 3yrs till after the payments are paid. China wants to do this exact same thing with the motor industry. I’m never buying a Chinese car no matter how “cheap” it is. Just work harder and earn yourself a proper car because these Chinese would jack up the price once they dominate like in the electronics industry.
My Sony Bravia TV is going strong after 12 years.
@@deet4895I have an old Bravia too. That thing is 18yrs old and just won’t die. Those were the days…
Some American products have terrible quality. I don't remember RCA making great and reliable products. The Japanese products were mostly well made but not infallible. My Sony TV after 3 years required a repair but has been flawless since. It's going strong at over 20 years old (it's a CRT). I did have an old Japanese air-conditioner that lasted 23 years before failing. I now have an LG phone for about 5 years that's doing fine. I think Teslas are poorly to indifferently constructed cars and I know plenty of people with American brand cars that have reliability and build quality issues. Korean cars are mixed with some of them doing well and others not as well. A friend has an Optima from around 2015 that is more reliable than the BMWs, Mercedes he's owned. It's also solid and comfortable.
A lot of Western products are made in China and do fine. A lot of washing machines, stoves and other appliances are made there. I consider them Western spec'd so the factory has to follow the specs. I honestly don't know how well some Chinese branded products will do long-term but I have no notions that because they are Chinese they are junk or won't do well. Chinese engineers are very capable and they have a lot of talent at improving the efficiency of Western products and making their own innovations to them. They can make products ranging from poor quality to quality of the highest standards. You are selling them short and I just see an anti-Chinese bias to your comments. It's not based on anything objective and there's a lot of nostalgia in them that doesn't reflect any updates to China of 2024 vs. 2015.
@@benjaminsmith2287Since when did China actually make a good product? Hisense, TCL, Haier and all the other major Chinese brands have been making products that don’t last 5yrs. And you call me “anti-Chinese” for simply stating that fact? A lot of washers and refrigerators are still made in the US, Japan, and other NON CHINESE countries, and that’s what I’m talking about. Even the made in China models, as long as they’re from a reputable NON CHINESE brand, they will have better parts supply and quality control. My Toshiba washer was made in China (aka assembled in China), yet it lasted 15yrs; something no Chinese product is able to do. I have 2 Sharp TVs, both made in China, one of which is over 14yrs old and still going. My point is that, no matter where it’s built, if it’s a Japanese or reputable NON CHINESE company, then it will be better than any Chinese OEM company because the Chinese have much lower quality standards. That’s an objective fact. I’ve never ever seen a good Chinese product. Techy? Sure. Well built to last? Never known such a thing. And yes, I’m talking about China in 2023. As for Korea, LG and Samsung are overrated garbage. Read the class action lawsuits on their appliances breaking. LG might make a decent phone, but literally everyone else can do it better.
@@mrgurulittle7000 You can have issues with products made anywhere. Boston has some issues with their Chinese made subways but in NYC, we've had issues with American built trains, French made trains that were really terrible, and then there were other trains that had global sourced parts. We see the issues that Boeing is having, what used to be a pretty reliable company. I know China has had issues with their airplanes. I'm reading the BYD buses are doing fine in some countries, Latin America, African countries, India, who used to use Japanese products.
When I'm getting at is China is capable of making quality products and some brands will match at least the better brands of the USA. I don't think because something is Chinese that it is necessarily bad. There are reports of Chinese buses and trains at least doing well in service for over 5 years now in some couuntries/regions.
Korea has Hyundai, the larger Hyundai corporations that make a broad range of products. Some of them have lasted and as I said, some Hyundai/Kia products perform well over the years while others haven't. I think all countries have companies that produce problematic products or good ones and I think China is there too. They just haven't been doing it as long. India may be getting there as well but I'm not that familiar with Indian products.
I hope we find away end all trade with China.
America literally couldn’t function without trading with China. Be Serious.
kirk $12,000 BYD Seagull will never happen regardless of tariff because it would not pass the safety regulation
The Seagull is equipped with six airbags, rear disc brakes, electronic parking brake, and electronic stability programme. Its body in white contains 61% of high-strength steel, and uses hot-forming with a tensile strength of over 1,500 MPa in key parts.
@@reginald7214 Pure cope. BYD themselves said that if the Seagull were to sell in the EU, they would have to enlarge the vehicle to meet the crash test requirement. This inevidably drives up the price regardless of tariffs. Same reason why BYD Dolphins sold in the rest of the world is larger and more expensive than the BYD Dolphin sold in China
Pure cope. BYD themselves said that if the Seagull were to sell in the EU, they would have to enlarge the vehicle to meet the crash test requirement. This inevidably drives up the price regardless of tariffs. Same reason why BYD Dolphins sold in the rest of the world is larger and more expensive than the BYD Dolphin sold in China.
@@reginald7214Yea but have you seen them catch fire and fall apart while in drive?😂
@@JohnLee-db9zt sure, all cars do.
I was expecting one out of the 81 million Biden voters said Trump is not gonna be president again. Where y'all Biden voter at?
if china cars cost $1000.00 the cost would double. i can do that
I would never buy a Chinese car anyway
chinese ev battery tariff means toyota/subaru gonna get rid of crappy and slow-charging CATL and put the superior Panasonic in it like in Europe and Japan. Those are faster charging. Proven to do 135kw in very cold conditions.
And let us not forget. In China if you want to sell EV domestic or foreign automaker, you have to use Chinese batteries. Tit for tat. An eye for an eye
Huh? None of what you said is true. Catl batteries are way ahead of Panasonic.
@@reginald7214 If Chinese batteries like CATL is indeed better than Japanese Panasonic or any other countries's no. 1 let us say, like you claim why do we not see Chinese CATL batteries in any other uses? Boeing's latest passenger liner B787 Dreamliner uses advanced Lithium-Ion battery from the Japanese firm GS Yuasa. It is not European, Chinese Korean anything. Why did Boeing not adopt Chinese CATL batteries if they were so much better? Even if Boeing did not adopt Chinese batteries for national security reason, why was CATL advanced battery not used on Chinese airliner C919??
Japanese navy's latest diesel electric submarine have the world's first and so far the only use of advanced Lithium-Ion battery to increase its submerge time by Matsushita Panasonic. Why doesn't the Chinese Navy's submarine also use advanced CATL batteries? Why do they keep using old-fashioned lead-acid battery??
stop sucking china's pee pee🤣🤣
If Chinese batteries like CATL is indeed better than Japanese Panasonic or any other countries's no. 1 let us say, like you claim why do we not see Chinese CATL batteries in any other uses? Boeing's latest passenger liner B787 Dreamliner uses advanced Lithium-Ion battery from the Japanese firm GS Yuasa. It is not European, Chinese Korean anything. Why did Boeing not adopt Chinese CATL batteries if they were so much better? Even if Boeing did not adopt Chinese batteries for national security reason, why was CATL advanced battery not used on Chinese airliner C919??
Japanese navy's latest diesel electric submarine have the world's first and so far the only use of advanced Lithium-Ion battery to increase its submerge time by Matsushita Panasonic. Why doesn't the Chinese Navy's submarine also use advanced CATL batteries? Why do they keep using old-fashioned lead-acid battery??
stop sucking china's pee pee🤣🤣
Are you dumb? Hahaha CATL batteries are the one leading the battery technologies. Even offers fastest charging capacity.
A lot of parts and chips still come from China! This sword cuts both ways! China will retaliate with tariffs of their own that will raise domestic prices. Why not limit the number of EV allowed into the country? Quotas? Competition is good! Brings done prices by preventing monopolies! Makes no sense! The administration wants to see more EVs, yet by eliminating competition, this will keep EV prices very high and out of reach for average Americans.
They already do. To zero. Chinese made isn't Chinese. If that were the case, most products in the USA that have Western nameplates on them are then Chinese, not US brand's products.
The EV and solar product costs are going up as a result of this unfair competition-killing regulation. What is wrong with competition, it makes corporations do better, and deploy capital into better R&D and products. Isolation and restricting competition just perpetuate bad management and costly products.
Go to Wally World and check where all the products are made. They are not made in the USA and many are made in China. So, if you think inflation is going to moderate, think again. Isolation and high tariffs lead to trade wars or worse. Forget BEVs because PHEVs and HEVs are better vehicles in my opinion.
Can we have a Mexican-made Chinese ICE car? Don’t need an EV. Just want affordable cars again. F the 84 month loans
It's quite obvious the US government hate average American consumers.
Best bill ever
It's not a bad thing that the US will not get cheap Chinese EV that are very unsafe structurally and spontaneously burst into flames.
These Chinese cars are not Yugos. The BYD Seal is not a Quadricycle.
Trust me, you are not missing out on anything. Have you seen the Chinese EV videos by Matt and Winston? Serpenza? Laowhy86? China has a massive problem with their EV vehicles and spontanious combustion. The EV batteries made in China are not made right and will spontaneously combust. And not just cars. For Electric motorcycles and electric bikes as well. It's not safe. Maybe if Japan can have a big EV plant somewhere where the labor is still affordable? Thailand and India come to mind. Same as Mexico. Don't put them in the American South, they have a very poor work ethic.
You really watching that trash? All Chinese evs in Europe are 5 star.
@@reginald7214 Ford is Trash
@@reginald7214 stop sucking china's pee pee🤣🤣🤣U are like naveen but for chinese EVs
Your China experts are all white, seems fishy
Serpentza, Laowhy86 and their ADVChina channel used to make neutral videos of China many years ago. Ever since they started to upload sinophobic videos, their channels grew exponentially. I was subbed to Serpentza when he had like 20k-ish subs, I don't think he even lives in China anymore, the dude started posting all kinds of negative crap after he left the country. Not saying Chinese EVs are good, but you just have to take those videos with a grain of salt.
It’s more like the USA autos are so overpriced they had to add 100% tariff to China EVs to make it a level playing field!
China added additional tariffs on US import vehicles long ago. And they don't play fair to begin with, massive amount of subsidies to their whole EV industry and strict regulations to destroy ICE cars. And cars in Chinese market are so much worse than in the US. They're usually not from the same production platform.
well, i guess us gov calculated sales of us cars in china and ready to lose chinise market
Not just cars! China will retaliate with other tariffs on American made goods!
This is so anticompetition and anticonsumer. The domestics don't want competition, so they can continue to price gouge consumers.
China started this war first. They don't let foreign car manufacturers to freely sell their cars in China.
It's quite obvious the US government hates average American consumers.
Boycott all USA Brands
I thought the Americans believed in free market economy hahaha 😂😂
Poor build quality from US factories is just the result of lacking competition. US automakers charge high price from you, then use that money to lobby governments to keep cheap but high quality Chinese EV out of the competition. They are both happy as they all get the money, but would you be happy?
high quality Chinese cars😂😂😂
What kind of quailty? I can't tell if it's sarcasm at this point.
@@jamisonz3365 it’s natural to think that way if you only watch American news… I don’t blame you on that. Look at Yangwang from BYD/Li auto/Nio/Xiaomj, they are all very designed and built. Even made in China Tesla has better build quality than US Tesla.
@@cougarcon2172 Actually I'm from China. To be honest the agenda they're trying to push is overwhelming. There are money behind that. In Chinese social media you can't say anything negative to EVs, or instant deletion of comments or content. All the brand you mentioned has the worst reliability possible in auto industry.
@@cougarcon2172 @cougarcon2172 Actually I'm from China. To be honest the agenda they're trying to push is overwhelming. There are money behind that. In mainland social media you can't say anything negative to EVs, or instant removal of comments or contents. All the brand you mentioned has the worst reliability possible in auto industry. They do have some fancy elements but the build quality is still poor. Li auto and Xiao m don't have any history of building cars whatsoever, they just build some random factories and started making cars.... Nio didn't have the ability to build cars so they cooperated with a local below average factory from Jianghuai motors....
@@jamisonz3365 lol, of course, people from China like to brag about the censorship they experienced, typical. EV is a new industry, of course new automakers will have to make some mistakes. But those Chinese automakers are fairly good among all EV makers. Just go watch the reviews from Europeans, they aren’t bad at all as you are trying to say.
ford is bringin out a 5k pickup, internal combustion engine pickup. nobody wants ev's any more. you are out of touch
EV sales are still growing and will continue to as infrastructure expands. Chinese competition would bring down prices! If everyone was as uneducated and stunted as you. we would still be riding around with horse and buggies !
The more competition the better, governments shouldn't limit competition. American brands should start making cheaper EVs to compete with these chinese cars. This is like communism. If there was a 15k basic EV Chevrolet for example, with 130mi range and ~100hp, people would buy it in massive numbers just to commute from home to work. Pay 4k cash and then 100$ monthly. Make it cute and safe enough and call it a Saturn. People would have access to a new car with warranty. Instead of banning Chinese cars try to create competitive products similarly priced instead of being greedy and just offering 50k EV SUVs. Nowadays low income people are forced to drive used unsafe trash and use public transportation. This is like the US saying "we are too good and rich to embarass ourselves by making such cheap cars".... The more options people have the more free they are.
You really don't want a cheap Chinese car. Even the Chinese would rather have American/European vehicles. Chinese EV's are catching fire at an alarming rate.
The numbers don't support what you are saying. In April 2024, BYD Auto had the highest passenger car retail sales at 25.4% in Mainland China. You can Google the numbers or follow their reports for the stock exchange. BYD is a threat to the American vehicle industry.
Eh. Pretty sure US market Chinese cars would definitely be the highest quality Chinese cars when you put that into consideration…. If they’re bad in America, then they’ll get destroyed everywhere else, this country doesn’t play…
Is this serpentza or China observer speaking?
@@hassanshariffbut China cannot use Google. You sure the number on Google is correct ?
Imagine being brain dead and buying an American branded car 😅 Only Asian brands will last
I used to study in US(2014),i recall the majority car price was not like today's craziness, it was $22,000 for a Honda accord now you can't buy a Toyota corolla,now they ban Chinese cheap cars for national security reason,considering Chinese car have made a lot of improvement,so stupid to ban it
If a nice cheaper Chinese car comes to US I'd definitely buy them.
We have since 3 a 4 years Chinese cars in the Netherlands, Nio, Byd, Aiways, Zeekr, Mg, Volvo etc. Only Mg and Volvo sell, and Lynck an co (but tat are no EV'S from Lynck).
Despite, and imo, ridiculous media coverage in the press, no lease or sales for Chinese brands....
The cars are developed in a hurry to disrupt European markets, with massive backing from the Chinese government. The cars are not ' finished' like an European car or even a Tesla, not the best build car either. And most important, the Chinese cars are not cheap at all...... . Last but not least, Chinese culture has no problem with lies.....and we all know wltp predictions are lies but the real world range of a Chinese EV is well below wltp...almost all makes.... .
But the excessive media plugging of Chinese brands by Western media astounds me......
Lynk and Co are basically less expensive clones of Volvo and they are Swedish spec'd. Volvo is Swedish. Zeekr is part Swedish but designed for the Chinese market at first and now Chinese and international markets. Nio, BYD are Chinese brands and MG was dissolved and now the specs for them are Chinese. Some Volvos are made in China but I don't considered made in China to equal Chinese. It's just a factory just like a Toyota made in the USA is not American. It's still Japaneses spec'd.
@@benjaminsmith2287 no Benjamin, Volvo is Geely, and Volvo, also Volvo Sweden, Belgium, uses Chinese materials and components, from China. Also the quality standards has been lowered under Ford, and Geely ownership..... . You cann't compare a modern day Volvo with a 200, 700, 900 series or 850....only in name unfortunatly.
@@avdp9095 Wrong. Volvo is Volvo. Is Lamborghini now VW because VW bought them? Is Bentley now VW? No. Geely hasn't done any major changes to Volvo at all. Volvo retains its Swedish home base, its Euroepan and American teams that design and build their cars that are based in Gothenburg. They are not Geely, they are Volvo. Geely is Geely Holding like VW Group, not Geely Auto like Porsche isn't VW Auto, and brands within that group are still those brands. The quality standards have not been lowered. People keep projecting things into the Geely ownership that is pure projection, not facts.
I'ave had 100, 200, 700 and P2 Volvos and the current Volvos are better cars. Better build, better ride and handling, better safety, better tech. And they feel like the modern day version of Volvos I've owned for decades. The Swedish culture that creates Volvo remains just with the backing of Geely Holding Group.
@@benjaminsmith2287 sorry Benjamin. Volvo is Geely owned and quality standard is Chinese. Sorry to say.
@@avdp9095 To add to what I'm saying, all car groups have some shared tech and sharing of some components to bring down costs. Stallantis does, VW Group does, BMW/Mini/Rolls Royce does, and Geely Group does. However, each brand, at least in VW, Geely and I think BMW, has their own unique engineers and materials and software personnel that dictate what distinguishes the brands. So while platforms and some screws and motors and such may be shared, and produced in whatever factories work best for those components and to whatever market they go to, they still have personnel that specify per brand what is particular to that brand. I know for a fact that Volvo is making their own in-house motors for some of their BEVs now. They are going to use NorthVolt batteries, unlike other cars in the Geely Group (except Polestar, which is an offshoot of Volvo). The EX90 and Polestar 3 are delayed due to Volvo writing their own software while nothing from Zeekr is delayed because they aren't using the same software. And on and on. So yes, Volvo and Polestar both share some of what is produced by Geely but by no means does Geely *create* cars for Volvo. They may construct (manufacture) some from Volvo or Polestar (or Lotus) specs, but they aren't designing, tuning, writing software, and so forth. That's done by Volvo. Now, Volvo does have a design studio in Shanghai but they're no different than the design studio in California. They are both following the specs from Volvo Sweden. For Shanghai, some aspects may try to tailor Volvo to the Chinese market. But for most Volvos, that are big in the European market, the design is European and the materials division especially is big on dictating their sustainability using European standards. Suspension tuning, crash testing, for international models are done in Volvo's extensive crash facilities and Volvo's testing tracks.
I don't know why people are under the impression that Chinese made parts mean Volvo is compromised. There are Chinese made parts in many Western products and many Chinese made parts in Western cars, even Mercedes and BMW. China is now collaborating with Germany in many industry. I'm into pianos and China is keeping Germany's piano industry alive with collaborations and customers.
And about ownership, if you know the piano company Bosendorfer, they were purchased by the huge Japanese company, Yamaha. So many people were fretting that Bosendorfer would change and sound like Japanese Yamahas. But the opposite happened. Yamahas began to sound more like Bosendorfer and use Bosendorfer sourced materials and even some Bosendorfer design principles. So, sometimes the parent company improves its own product by learning from and using aspects of the acquired company's product. And I think with Lotus and Volvo, some of that has happened to Geely in them creating Zeekr and Lynk and Co. those cars have a lot of Swedish content in them, and some Volvo/Polestar content. And all Zeekrs and Lynk and Co. are designed in Sweden.
That’s good news now we don’t have to worry about the Electric!😂🔋🚗🪫
A 390kw byd seal is around 74k in Australia. Built like an Audi on the inside. It has the best kw per dollar for any car ever in Australia for a new vehicle.